Can you revive a dead car battery by inverting its polarity?

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@johnofsometrades405
@johnofsometrades405 11 ай бұрын
I've dealt with a reconditioning shop. They would slowly discharge to zero, reverse charge and actually use a high voltage or amps to boil the acid. Then drain rinse and refill, then slow charge. Recheck and sell as cheap reconditioned. Most of the time many batteries go dead from sulfur buildup. Reversing the charge knocks off the sulfur. I used to have a reconditioning charger that did the same thing. Took about 2 days to complete. Worked very well, even on some AGM's
@volvo09
@volvo09 11 ай бұрын
Super cool, I'm going to try this next time I have a junk battery
@rossbrumby1957
@rossbrumby1957 11 ай бұрын
Smart chargers that rejuvenate batteries dont reverse the polarity. I have one, the worst battery it brought back to good had 0.3 volts and took 7 seperate chargings throughout 2 weeks and it load tests excellent and holds 12.8 volts without loss. Most batteries take 1 charge up to 14 hours to fix though.
@johnofsometrades405
@johnofsometrades405 11 ай бұрын
@@rossbrumby1957mine actually reversed the polarity. I regret not keeping it, but it would discharge completely, reverse for about half a day, discharge and recharge correctly. I actually bought it many years ago from Sam's Club or Price Club back in the day. The reverse knocks the deposits off the plates. But you have to make sure it runs fully and not interrupted or it could damage the battery. I think that's why they discontinued them. Kinda dangerous
@makingcookingfixing
@makingcookingfixing 11 ай бұрын
I have a battery that has drained to 6V and my charger does not want to charge it. i jumped another car battery in parallel on it for a few hours, it reads over 12V, I put it back on the charger, and the charger immediately starts flashing that there is something wrong with the battery and will not charge it. What do you suggest? Now the battery is back to 6V
@davefoord1259
@davefoord1259 11 ай бұрын
@@makingcookingfixing the charger wont turn on the charging until it sees enough voltage. This is safety so the clips are not live until connected to a battery the correct way around. Thats why hooking to another battery made it start charging. The fact it went back to 6 volts tells me that battery is stuffed.
@jesseharriott4253
@jesseharriott4253 11 ай бұрын
If your having problems with battery thieves, that is the battery to leave for them to steal lol.
@volvo09
@volvo09 11 ай бұрын
Yep, clean it up so it looks new and reverse charge it without labeling it as such...
@FieroGT3400
@FieroGT3400 11 ай бұрын
@@volvo09yup, cant have any revised white polarity marks.... ;)
@Zzus321
@Zzus321 11 ай бұрын
This is BS. Batteries shed lead, then the cells Short out
@patricklynch9574
@patricklynch9574 11 ай бұрын
They will steal your old battery in hopes that you buy a new one.
@GiveAcademy
@GiveAcademy 11 ай бұрын
Most battery thieves in my neck of the woods aren't planning on using or selling them.. they turn them in to whoever is paying the largest core refund..
@informationwarlord
@informationwarlord 11 ай бұрын
Fully charge it in reverse polarity and leave it outside for the battery thieves. They’ll be “shocked” by what happens when they install it in their car. 😂
@1marcelfilms
@1marcelfilms 11 ай бұрын
And thats how you get a battery thrown through your window at 3 am
@TenForTheBigGuy.4381
@TenForTheBigGuy.4381 11 ай бұрын
If you can get it back out your car after everything melts.
@lesjones5684
@lesjones5684 10 ай бұрын
Good for your cars computer 😂
@michaelhansen698
@michaelhansen698 10 ай бұрын
especially if you place the battery on a land mine
@kaidwyer
@kaidwyer 10 ай бұрын
I imagine they’ll just pawn it off like everything else. I don’t think thieves are stealing to fix their own vehicles most of the time.
@Frrlas
@Frrlas 11 ай бұрын
Had a battery that was 11 years old and died. changed polarity back and forth twice, and it is stil working fine after 5 more years.
@MmmHuggles
@MmmHuggles 11 ай бұрын
Keep that batter and see how many years you can get out of it. 16 years is pretty impressive.
@qua7771
@qua7771 11 ай бұрын
Nice. I'll give it a try.
@yusuf-alasit
@yusuf-alasit 10 ай бұрын
I did it exactly on my dead motorcycle battery, two years ago, and still starting and charging.
@wills.5762
@wills.5762 10 ай бұрын
man as someone who gets -40 every winter thats fuckin crazy to me. You can spend $500 on a battery and it still wont start your shit in the cold after 5 years. I change my batteries every 2 years typically, but I also buy cheap refurbished batteries.
@anthonyhettinger9702
@anthonyhettinger9702 10 ай бұрын
Die hard did this for me once
@iknowyourebrokeauto468
@iknowyourebrokeauto468 11 ай бұрын
Someone give the guy that built that starter a raise!!!
@hottractor1999
@hottractor1999 10 ай бұрын
No kidding! I kept wait for the smoke to break out.
@JonDeth
@JonDeth 11 ай бұрын
Because the last cell which is tied to the cathode is typically the cell that's gone bad from corrosion, reversing the polarity and the pulsating D.C. from the alternator can break up the tendrils, and potentially relocate some of that debris into the other cells, so you lower the cathode cell's resistance enough to get it to hold some effective voltage. Cleaning out the old cell with a potent acid and all the cells really, then flushing it, refilling it and lastly, using a pulsating D.C. charger can restore a dead battery completely. *When people hit them with a really hot D.C. such as a welder as some have mentioned, it can burn through some of the high resistance corrosion and get it functional again. With my background in engineering though, if you can't replace the cathode cell but you can effectively clean it out, this is the first and most crucial first step to restoring the battery and it being reliable.* I've seen people use the welders and other high voltage sources of pulsating D.C. to get the battery back in good working order again, but even if it charges to capacitance I think it's highly likely that the corrosion debris is going to return to the cathode cell and before too long, it's going to fail again. A lot of businesses that rebuild batteries are simply replacing cells and, in many cases, the cathode cell will be the only one in dire enough shape to need extensive work whether it's a good cleaning or replacement. I did a motorcycle battery last year and the cathode cell was abysmal, but the rest still in very good shape. The amount of gunk I stripped off and poured out after repeatedly treating it with acid was ridiculous, but afterward, the cell looked to be in very good shape again.
@eded8045
@eded8045 11 ай бұрын
lead plates are very thin and plenty DC current will warp and destroy
@volvo09
@volvo09 11 ай бұрын
Interesting, thanks
@Kowyn
@Kowyn 11 ай бұрын
What acid did you use?
@stoptellingmewhattowrite
@stoptellingmewhattowrite 11 ай бұрын
What type of acid? Flushing with distilled water afterwards?
@FieroGT3400
@FieroGT3400 11 ай бұрын
@@Kowynjust what i wanted to know!
@BoondockMercantile
@BoondockMercantile 11 ай бұрын
"Where's that smoke coming from?" Starter: "Where TF you think?!?"
@BadMax02_VR
@BadMax02_VR 11 ай бұрын
it actually came from the battery terminal
@demphanbreman5998
@demphanbreman5998 11 ай бұрын
I myself is surprised the starter held up
@danielchapman9635
@danielchapman9635 11 ай бұрын
Hi😊
@by010
@by010 10 ай бұрын
I am suprised that starter didnt give up after this torture lol
@billybbob18
@billybbob18 10 ай бұрын
I think starters are designed to run for a second. At 3 seconds I start to cringe.
@Randomii666
@Randomii666 11 ай бұрын
The most surprising thing is how the starter motor held up and how the flimsy stock cables didn't melt
@davelowe1977
@davelowe1977 11 ай бұрын
It's only 150A.
@CreationsVibration
@CreationsVibration 11 ай бұрын
That starter is impressive
@Mprikiman
@Mprikiman 11 ай бұрын
Knowing the car it's Toyota - DENSO starter. They usually last the lifetime of a properly maintained car. That's 500.000 km for this engine, easily.
@slocavky
@slocavky 11 ай бұрын
he tested it on a LADA though... not a toyota. @@Mprikiman
@fastinradfordable
@fastinradfordable 11 ай бұрын
Not even a Toyota can easily Handle 500k km in Siberia
@carloscollomps1552
@carloscollomps1552 11 ай бұрын
Not Toyota, it's a Lada, basically a russian made Fiat 125@@Mprikiman
@Mprikiman
@Mprikiman 11 ай бұрын
@@fastinradfordable True.
@lazzy2day
@lazzy2day 11 ай бұрын
I accidentally hooked up leads wrong on a completely dead battery years ago. It charged up completely but in reverse. I ran it down dead again & recharged it hooked leads correctly. It worked.
@HobbyOrganist
@HobbyOrganist 11 ай бұрын
I'm not sure it even really makes any difference which way it's charged AS LONG AS- the battery is stone cold dead and therefore impossible to cause a short by connecting the charger backwards to a partially charged battery.
@SkyNetworkSolutions
@SkyNetworkSolutions 11 ай бұрын
it works sometimes.
@rossbrumby1957
@rossbrumby1957 11 ай бұрын
Lucky it wasnt half charged- youd have fried your charger like the time i lent my best old school arlec charger to a friend who decided to charge his battery while stoned. Burned out the transformer. Ive since bought a 9 stage smart charger which has polarity protection.
@MmmHuggles
@MmmHuggles 11 ай бұрын
I wonder if this is how someone found out about this. One tired day they had a stone cold dead battery and accidentally hooked it up to charge on one of the old style chargers with no safety features and let it charge in reverse overnight. Then next day realized their mistake but got curious.
@oilybrakes
@oilybrakes 7 ай бұрын
​@@rossbrumby1957 But polarity protection is just a bunch of Diodes in parallel or MOSFETs. Anyway, you can add them to any dumb charger too.
@davida1hiwaaynet
@davida1hiwaaynet 11 ай бұрын
Fascinating about the reversing battery polarity! But I find it more impressive that that starter motor didn't fail after all that!
@michaelstrafello7346
@michaelstrafello7346 11 ай бұрын
We did a similar test when I was in high-school we took 5 sulfated batteries drew them down similar to what you did and hooked a battery charger up backwards momentarily (the charger was one that you could adjust the amperage manually) then trickle charged them @2 amps, 4 out of the 5 performed as they were supposed to, with the correct polarity, it was explained that the reverse polarity removed the Sulphur from the plates
@MrMaxeemum
@MrMaxeemum 11 ай бұрын
This won't be the case for all failed batteries as they can fail in many different ways but hey it's worth a try, even if it only gets you to the next pay check it's worth trying. This channel never fails to answer questions I never asked (but maybe should have)
@deleteduser3749
@deleteduser3749 11 ай бұрын
Wow. Lada starters are amazing!!
@thatguyalex2835
@thatguyalex2835 11 ай бұрын
You know what is even more amazing? That Toyota at 9:00 minute mark has 299,999 km on it (which is nothing for a Toyota), but it would be cool to see that roll over to 300,000 km. That is the distance light travels in a second, well 299,792.458 km to be exact.
@learjet1246
@learjet1246 11 ай бұрын
@@thatguyalex2835 9th gen Toyota Corolla all stop at 299,999 on the odometer.
@Burnerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
@Burnerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr 11 ай бұрын
​@@thatguyalex2835cool
@johnfox3845
@johnfox3845 11 ай бұрын
@thayguyalex2835 Unfortunately that simply isn't possible. The car in the video, along with many other Toyota products from the era, has an odometer that cannot exceed 299,999km/299,999mi. The actual mileage is likely quite a bit higher.
@carloscollomps1552
@carloscollomps1552 11 ай бұрын
So that Toyota's kilometerage is 1 light/second @@thatguyalex2835
@dom3827
@dom3827 11 ай бұрын
There is a german saying: "Everyone says it does not work but never tried it. Than there came one who did not know and just did it"
@robertisaar
@robertisaar 11 ай бұрын
Can you post in native German please? I have a curiosity for it and translating backwards doesn't work well.
@johnpearson492
@johnpearson492 11 ай бұрын
As my coworker likes to say, "It's never not worked before."
@GraveUypo
@GraveUypo 11 ай бұрын
thats a quote by mark twain. "They did not know it was impossible, so they did it"
@dom3827
@dom3827 11 ай бұрын
@@GraveUypo it is a saying since ever in germany. It is possible he got it from there. The source from the saying is literarly what it says and has proofen multiple times in human history. Some physicists for example back than thought thing A is not possible but never tried. They relied on theory, which was wrong. They got proofen wrong by someone who did not know it was not possible or, at least, did not want to believe so. Happened countless times in human history. And because it is so relatable, it is a saying since a long time in germany, probably in other parfts of the world, too. Because that actually happened and still happens regularly. We use the saying when we do stuff and others think it will not work or we say it, to encourage others to do their stuff.
@dom3827
@dom3827 11 ай бұрын
@@robertisaar "Alle sagten es geht nicht, dann kam einer der es nicht wusste und hat es einfach gemacht"
@sietze.temporary
@sietze.temporary 11 ай бұрын
If a battery has gone to dry in only one or two cells you can isolate these cells where the electrodes touch by using turpentine and motor oil two-thirds turpentine and one-third motor oil and then it is isolated and can hold power again but it only works in a static setup if you move it and shake the fluids around it will lose isolation. Another trick this filling up the cells with this instead of destilled water will prevent the short from being a problem it loses voltage though depending on how many cells you have to insulate the plates from. Your trick works because of the way these oxides are moved over the plates with a good battery if the distilled water is not dryer up too much it will probably work for a while. These kinds of tricks are for emergency circumstances only. I would not recommend going on with it for normal circumstances and replacing it normally but if you have to improvise this works very well. Thank you for showing this...
@CaptainLongbeardTuds
@CaptainLongbeardTuds 11 ай бұрын
I have been sitting on 6 dead batteries that I have collected over the years... I even tried reconditioning them. This actually works?!?!?! This is an off grid game changer.
@Yukanhayt-Mhenow
@Yukanhayt-Mhenow 11 ай бұрын
Same I have a few.... Might try it some day soon
@Colt45hatchback
@Colt45hatchback 11 ай бұрын
Sometimes even just connecting your welder to the battery for a short time can fix them sufficiently to get your car to charge it up again, i always try it on old cars i buy that have been sitting for many years. I would say 50% success rate for cars that have been parked less than 10 years, and about 20% success rate for vehicles that have not moved for over 10 years
@wazza33racer
@wazza33racer 11 ай бұрын
now that is actually the coolest battery hack I have ever come across on the internet. Once again, Garage 54 hits it out of the park ))
@garygermain1446
@garygermain1446 11 ай бұрын
I'm impressed not about the battery but about the Starter motor. That starter motor must have heated up to over 200°. Before it quit working.
@georgestam1710
@georgestam1710 11 ай бұрын
How do you know the temperature? 😅 Why not up to 150°?
@Gearheadgotajob
@Gearheadgotajob 11 ай бұрын
Now recharge to the correct polarity and retest.
@JP-zd8hm
@JP-zd8hm 7 ай бұрын
^ this. Does the reversing remove the deposits from the plates maybe?
@MoonArk
@MoonArk 2 ай бұрын
​@@JP-zd8hmpossible. maybe its like magnet, opposite polarity attracks and same polarity repels.
@Felix-tz1tk
@Felix-tz1tk 10 ай бұрын
If u keep lead acid battery trickle charge to 15.4v, it should last for 15 years. After 15 years recover battery with pulsation charger and continue using it. Technically pure flooded type lead acid never dies.
@nathanbradley4768
@nathanbradley4768 11 ай бұрын
I love the channel and something about this video the translation feels much more fluid and smooth than what I have got used to. its great to see, and your projects are awsome.
@cousinjohncarstuff4568
@cousinjohncarstuff4568 11 ай бұрын
Part 2? Drain it back down and see if the polarity can be reversed back to original polarity?
@wonderlandparty6054
@wonderlandparty6054 11 ай бұрын
It can. it requires another 100% discharge.. But this does reduce its Amp hours significantly
@UberLummox
@UberLummox 11 ай бұрын
@@wonderlandparty6054 Do you know if this reverse polarity deal will work on a battery that's been dead for a few years?
@ArcEng1ne
@ArcEng1ne 11 ай бұрын
​@UberLummox no it won't work, all the acid in your dead battery has cause sulfation on the lead plates. I was able to get a battery to work that was dried out by just adding new acid.
@james10739
@james10739 11 ай бұрын
​@SomeThingsElectric but to me it seems like the sulfate should be on 1 plate I don't know if it's positive or negative but reversing should change that so it seem like a best method for removing the sulfate
@james10739
@james10739 11 ай бұрын
Switching it back would be ideal because positive and negative terminals are not the same size they are kinda close and you can probably make it work but they are different
@Marillionado
@Marillionado 11 ай бұрын
I'm unsure if I'm more impressed by the battery revival or the sheer resilience of that poor starter. What a hero. Guys, how about an episode on incrementally raising the Lada's compression ratio?
@irgant
@irgant 11 ай бұрын
20:1
@twocvbloke
@twocvbloke 11 ай бұрын
A lead-acid battery doesn't mind bieng inverted usually, though the plates may be configured in a manner that means it probably wouldn't last long with the polarity swapped, especially if the plates have eroded through use and are ready to drop off...
@marsrover001
@marsrover001 11 ай бұрын
Didn't expect that to actually work.
@matsv201
@matsv201 11 ай бұрын
Lead acid battery are pretty much the only type that have symmetrical positive and negative pole. The only thing that make one pole positive and one negative is the actual charging. So in theory, there is really nothing that is possitive or negative in the chemestry apart from charging it
@MadScientist267
@MadScientist267 11 ай бұрын
​@@matsv201They are physically constructed differently tho. The positive plate is on a "grid" and was originally PbO2, and when the reversed battery is fully charged, this physically weaker PbO2 will be on the negative plate, which doesn't have the means to support it. So it works, but nail a few potholes and speed bumps, its likely to fall apart on the inside with a quickness. Now stationary batteries on the other hand.......
@matsv201
@matsv201 11 ай бұрын
@@MadScientist267 Typically there would be a grid on both sides. That is not always the case, but its pretty common. The simple reason is that the grid also help remove the charge from the plate when in use. I guess its possible that some batteries have only a frame to save on money. But it kind of make no sense. Then you need different machines to make positive and negative terminal
@MadScientist267
@MadScientist267 11 ай бұрын
@@matsv201 They are made of different materials when the battery is assembled. Of course there is a different machine to make those plates. They are different because there's no need for a grid on the negative normally, it is metallic lead that converts to sulfate during discharge. The PbO2 in the positive plate does the same, but returns to PbO2 upon charging. The metallic lead (and the sulfate) are strong enough to support themselves, but the PbO2 is "softer" and does not hold its shape without mechanical support.
@matsv201
@matsv201 11 ай бұрын
@@MadScientist267 if you would want to use this regardless. You probobly wanted to reverse it back anyway
@Z174822
@Z174822 8 ай бұрын
One of the most clever and out of the box videos i have watched on youtube. Respect to russian brains, greetings from Greece.
@volvo09
@volvo09 11 ай бұрын
9:05 ONE MORE KILOMETER!!
@ChazizMTA
@ChazizMTA 11 ай бұрын
299999
@jwalster9412
@jwalster9412 11 ай бұрын
Just _a few_ kilometers.
@neillrogers3604
@neillrogers3604 11 ай бұрын
I think it might just be maxed out lol
@learjet1246
@learjet1246 11 ай бұрын
It's already maxed out at 299,999... 9th generation Toyota Corolla odometers all stop at 299,999.
@Andrew_Fernie
@Andrew_Fernie 11 ай бұрын
@@learjet1246What?!? Who decided that is the way is should be?
@Kingsoupturbo
@Kingsoupturbo 11 ай бұрын
Awesome! Also, this was news to me, wind chill doesn't affect to temperature applied to a car, if its -30c and windchild of say -45, the car only sees -30.
@UpInSmoke54
@UpInSmoke54 11 ай бұрын
That why it's call Wind Chill Factor
@realflow100
@realflow100 11 ай бұрын
You can do this with just a couple sheets of lead in sulfuric acid. sodium sulfate. alum sulfate etc. reversing the polarity just changes which electrode the oxides form on. it is symmetrical. but for modern mass produced lead acid batteries it can degrade the active material rapidly if you do it too much or at too high of currents.
@UberAlphaSirus
@UberAlphaSirus 11 ай бұрын
Welp, I got about 5 batts to try this on. And that Lada starter motor is a keeper.
@anthonyhettinger9702
@anthonyhettinger9702 10 ай бұрын
Yes ive dropled them from 3' up fixing temporarily as well as drain, fkush, boil bake soda then add salt water turning into an alkaline battery then recharge and dead ones do come back excellent
@Felix24148
@Felix24148 10 ай бұрын
From what I've seen, it's not so much inverting the polarity, it's making the corrosion on the inner terminals come off. Attach a bad battery to a stick welder to boil it's insides with high power, and it'll boil that corrosion off the insides. I think you also need a certain kind of distilled water to rejuvenate the acid.
@kentworch
@kentworch 11 ай бұрын
Another awesome experiment. I honestly didn't think it would work as i figured a dead battery is a dead battery and would have to be rebuilt at least. I really thought it was going to be a joke like the perpetual motion video with the self running engine that breaks the laws of physics. Guess everyone can learn something new. Awesome video guys👍👍
@mytebetme
@mytebetme 11 ай бұрын
Always learning something new on this show!
@matsv201
@matsv201 11 ай бұрын
This can pretty much only be done with lead acid batteries. The reason is that the cells them self is symetrical and its actually chargin them that make them plus or minus. This will not work with pretty much any other battery. In a matter of fact, if you do that with a NiMh or a lithium cell they probobly will explode.
@twentyrothmans7308
@twentyrothmans7308 11 ай бұрын
"if you do that with a NiMh or a lithium cell they probably will explode." That's enough incentive for Garage54 to try it.
@matsv201
@matsv201 11 ай бұрын
@@twentyrothmans7308 Well you are not wrong. There is videos of people doing it with Lithium cells (NCA to be exact). but i have not seen it done with NiMh cells.
@Stealth86651
@Stealth86651 11 ай бұрын
I mean, technically an exploding battery is more "alive" than a dead one, so it's still working, just not in a safe manner.
@wonderlandparty6054
@wonderlandparty6054 11 ай бұрын
It wont explode right away.. It will start heating... And if it continued to allowed to heat THEN it CAN explode.. Most of the time it vents its pressure/contents and dies.
@matsv201
@matsv201 11 ай бұрын
@@wonderlandparty6054 lets say there is a number of posibility and one of them is a very nasty explosion
@jacobwrona
@jacobwrona 11 ай бұрын
You guys never disappoint. Fantastic as always. This is quite possibly the most interesting KZbin channel in existence.
@djcybercorgi
@djcybercorgi 11 ай бұрын
If you want to know what a strong starter motor is, I had to move my 1980's LeBaron Turbo Chrysler 2 blocks uphill to park it without starting the motor. It would crank over in gear and the starter motor was strong enough to move the car uphill while cranking it for like a minute at a time! I wonder if you can test that with a Lada... how far can you move a Lada in-gear with the motor off just using the starter motor?
@twentyrothmans7308
@twentyrothmans7308 11 ай бұрын
I saw a Lada starter motor reversing up a steep hill in Kiev once. What made things surreal was a Bentley driving past.
@RustyShakleford1
@RustyShakleford1 11 ай бұрын
Lmfao YES we need a video
@RustyShakleford1
@RustyShakleford1 11 ай бұрын
​@@twentyrothmans7308lol hahaha
@RustyShakleford1
@RustyShakleford1 11 ай бұрын
Let's.goo I hope they see this I. I bet a Lada starter could get into 2rd gear and 20mph lol for 5 mins before it blows up
@djcybercorgi
@djcybercorgi 11 ай бұрын
That would be a hilarious video! What about multiple starters connected together, I wonder if that's possible...@@RustyShakleford1
@culmalachie
@culmalachie 10 ай бұрын
Great! I don't buy everything I see and hear either, but still keep an open mind. Thanks for taking up your time to do that for us: I have a few batteries like that this now - off to find a BIG bulb to drain them quicker and then have a go too. Great project on a wet day!
@Mook1639B
@Mook1639B 9 ай бұрын
Run a couple or three headlight bulbs in series...
@Pulverrostmannen
@Pulverrostmannen 11 ай бұрын
there's a big chance that battery was sulfated to begin preventing it to take proper charge. the remedy for this is normally several days of low current charge which it got but in reverse. I know this reversing trick works but in general you can just rejuvenate a battery by proper charging methods. But it was fun to see you try this battery hack
@Max_Chooch
@Max_Chooch 9 ай бұрын
An old timer once told me this. I was skeptical. Never tried it myself. Never heard of anyone else trying it either. Good to know he was spot on.
@jagmarc
@jagmarc 10 ай бұрын
According to my rough sums the demostrated battery only delivered about 10 Ahrs. But then a car engine only needs a small fraction of one Amphour to start it.
@jordanciaramitaro6351
@jordanciaramitaro6351 11 ай бұрын
Im not sure you arent heat seizing the starter, not to mention as the windings heat up the resistance goes up thus drawing less current. You can a 170a current spike from the saved battery right as the starter siezes
@dr_jaymz
@dr_jaymz 10 ай бұрын
One of the failure modes of 12v batteries is one or more of the cells is out of sync with the others so its lower than the others. That screws up the cold cranking output of the battery because current has to flow through all cells. So discharging the battery until completely flat for two days will ensure they are all 0.0v. This is probably what restores the battery cranking current. I don't think it will help with sulphation though but boiling the acid can restore it apparently
@gvii
@gvii 11 ай бұрын
The plates are clearly made of Stalinium. That's how they survived. 🙂
@AZREDFERN
@AZREDFERN 11 ай бұрын
I would rather have a new reliable vehicle battery, plus they endure physical wear. But for deep cycle, solar, and UPS batteries, this is amazing! You can also use multiple batteries in parallel if you have the space to give new batteries more CCA, or a few old batteries the CCA of a new battery. It also makes jump starting someone else easier.
@0101-s7v
@0101-s7v 11 ай бұрын
The speed of the engine turning over (on the reversed polarity battery) sped up because the oil finally made it to the engine internals.
@tiredironrepair
@tiredironrepair 11 ай бұрын
8:19 lol the screw trick. A classic.
@gamelias87
@gamelias87 11 ай бұрын
Starter motor for the win 🎉
@broo_shs
@broo_shs 11 ай бұрын
We have seen this happen a couple of times, and it would be considered the more common of these rare situations. For all intents and purposes, the battery will be ruined. You could technically charge it up, negatively, and continue to use it, but your plates are designed with the positive plates being lead dioxide, and the negative being composed of a sponge lead, which would now be reversed. Because the reversed battery is no longer formatted correctly, it will only work to a limited degree. The fact of the matter is, a lead acid battery cannot reverse its own polarity without an external stimulus. It is just not possible.
@jimmieblue6262
@jimmieblue6262 11 ай бұрын
We use to do that 40 + years ago. It will last about 4 to 6 months depending on the battery.
@jimmybrad156
@jimmybrad156 10 ай бұрын
sup jimmie
@allanpatterson7653
@allanpatterson7653 10 ай бұрын
Old trick is to make a charging circuit from 120 VAC current limited by a rectifier and 60 watt 120 volt incandescent light bulb in series. The layer of insulation between the plates now has 165 volt DC pulses pushing little streams of current cleaning them off. If the battery starts conducting the light will glow before that you get intermittant flashes. Put the battery in a box outside covered as it might explode.
@Senior_Mustard
@Senior_Mustard 11 ай бұрын
That's amazing, I would never have thought it possible. I'll have to try that with my ride-on mower battery, that's just about had it.
@bigal9658
@bigal9658 11 ай бұрын
can you do some tests on battery desulphators?
@conquistador1425
@conquistador1425 10 ай бұрын
I once ran out of gas and used the starter to propel it several blocks to the gas station. You are just reversing the aging process by reversing the polarity!!!
@SkyNetworkSolutions
@SkyNetworkSolutions 11 ай бұрын
i'v tried this already sometimes it works some time it dosen't.Still a great video.
@lordred7462
@lordred7462 11 ай бұрын
I have one deady battery like that that I brought back to life by baking in with DC welder. Had 5 cycluses of 5 min charging. 1st 25 amps, 2nd, 3rd and 4th 80 amps and 5th 100 amps. Let it cool down, drain with starter crancking engine and slowly charged it back again with 5amps charger. Works almost as new and is used in my garage as test, backup source of 12 volts.
@Vivian-g1h
@Vivian-g1h 3 ай бұрын
I did see a video of a guy reviving an old dead battery by passing 80 amps though it using an arc welder in a series of thirty-second bursts. Presumably the lead sulphate deposit build-up was totally cleaned off. Then he fully charged the battery normally and it performed like new.
@cen7ury
@cen7ury 11 ай бұрын
What I can't get over is how long you were able to continuously run the starter motor on that Lada without melting the windings....
@Colt45hatchback
@Colt45hatchback 11 ай бұрын
Low compression helps, my old tractor only has 6:1 compression (well it did in 1949, might be less now) it does not mind being cranked for a long time, where my truck has 22:1 compression, gets hot very quickly
@cen7ury
@cen7ury 11 ай бұрын
@Colt45hatchback Hard to guess where your tractors compression would be after all these years...on the one hand, carbon buildup on the piston and cylinder head will increase compression over time, but cylinder wall scoring will decrease it...based on your truck's compression ratio, I'm assuming it is a diesel?
@Colt45hatchback
@Colt45hatchback 11 ай бұрын
@@cen7ury yeah its a non turbo diesel, a 1991 toyota hilux
@cen7ury
@cen7ury 11 ай бұрын
@Colt45hatchback Oh, neat! I've never seen a hilux diesel, I don't think they made it to the US. I've got a couple diesel trucks myself; a 92 OBS F350 dually with the non turbo 7.3L IDI motor, and a 99 F350 4wd with the 7.3L Powerstroke. The 99 is a beast!
@Colt45hatchback
@Colt45hatchback 11 ай бұрын
@@cen7ury nice, i am a fan of the 99's styling, we have some here but not many at all, maybe a few thousand total (australia) most of which are dual cab automatic petrol 4wd, i really wanted to get a single cab dually idi with a manual transmission, but the few that are here were either ex mining industry (rusty as hell from the nickel) or just abused and neglected by the tradesman (usually plumber) who owned them from new. There is however plenty of dent side f100 and 150's with either the australian 4.1ltr inline 6 like our falcons had at the time, or 302/351 v8's usually on straight lpg (propane) The hilux is good, its 4wd and the little 2.8 diesel does more than its fair share of work without much trouble, i mostly use it for towing, not something its really made for, but it does pull 2840kg up a long steep hill on a really hot day no problems so long as you dont mind being in the slow lane (with that weight behind it you are flat out in 3rd gear doing 4000rpm (redline is 5200) at 85kmh. Its legally only allowed to tow 1800kg, but its no slower with an extra ton behind it 😅 and handles it well. If you wanted to look up the engine to hear it, its called a 3L engine ( 3rd revision of the L engine) which is a 2.8 litre capacity
@robertmiddleton5663
@robertmiddleton5663 11 ай бұрын
so if you fully decharge the old battery then charge it in the normal sort of way does in work
@aleks_jones
@aleks_jones 11 ай бұрын
i love the wrench test across terminals before the multimeter test lmfao
@travisr1720
@travisr1720 11 ай бұрын
Our family has a farm in Alberta, we have a battery that was charged backwards in 1999. Still to this day is the best battery on the property.
@troymomma
@troymomma 7 ай бұрын
you should do a video on it, does it have a date stamp?
7 ай бұрын
Starting from the lead sulfate of a dead battery, either polarity is possible because there is nothing particularly fancy about either terminal except which plate becomes dominated by elemental lead (-) and which one is dominated by lead oxide (+). Probably will need to add more water to the battery after charging because the process consumes water. It's probably unsafe (fire or explosive case failure) due to different assumptions around the two phase flow venting of hydrogen.
@Stan-b3v
@Stan-b3v 10 ай бұрын
I had someone hook the charger up the wrong way around on a set of batteries that were hooked up in series for a twenty four volt system. They went dead afterwards and I had to put jumper cables on them to start the machine but had no idea that someone had inadvertently reversed the polarity. There was some amazing sparks and heat created when you hooked up in the original polarity. I had to do the jump start several times and every time I hooked the cables and got far away quickly as I thought the batteries might explode. It was only after doing it a few times that I came to the conclusion that someone had “ charged them backwards “. I don’t recall how long they stayed in service but I know that they were re-reversed and that made things exiting. 8:59
@Z_732
@Z_732 11 ай бұрын
That starter is a beast fr... thats impressive as well. Good vid guys!
@paolomartini150
@paolomartini150 10 ай бұрын
I wonder now about the chemistry of it. I never looked in to this before. Interesting.
@Nabraska49
@Nabraska49 11 ай бұрын
I was expecting you to say just kidding at the end but it really worked.. I’ve got to try this myself.
@snoman003
@snoman003 11 ай бұрын
Wonder if this total result has anything to sulfation? We have had batteries that were all but dead and won't take a charge, hooked them up to a desuflation system for a few days then they seem to take a full charge and work great. Perhaps reversing the polarity + charging them does the same thing. Would be interesting to see the reversed polarity battery, again completely discharged and then properly recharged back to normal polarity and load tested.
@andersf5464
@andersf5464 11 ай бұрын
The fuel heater needs a battery in good shape, that's why batteries often gets changes for a new one sort of unnecessarily. In colder cimate (Sweden) we are nearly dependent on heaters to get going in the winter.
@perkins1439
@perkins1439 10 ай бұрын
Starter motors have no ventilation they're meant to run short bursts of time you're killing that poor starter that's one hell of a starter good video
@BastiOn_1337
@BastiOn_1337 11 ай бұрын
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@dragan3290
@dragan3290 6 ай бұрын
I love your videos and the expirements are excellent to watch. Nazdravlje iz Australia ❤
@DodgeCharger900
@DodgeCharger900 11 ай бұрын
Got to love the Toyota 4A-FE engines. Still starting very good and running like clockwork with 299.999 on the odometer and a repaired battery. 👍
@dole8001
@dole8001 11 ай бұрын
My guess is electrolysis. The plates in the battery accumulate a kind of tarnish over normal operation hindering the chemical reaction. Then when charged in reverse polarity the plates repelled and the tarnish came off them which resulted in clean plates that promoted better chemical reaction.
@dustyrusty6840
@dustyrusty6840 11 ай бұрын
I did the start setting on the charger for 20 minutes and waited 15 minutes and did the same for 20 minutes. Brought back a 8 year old battery back and still working .I even did these on mower batteries. There is a lot of ways shown on youtube how to restore batteries.
@kennedy67951
@kennedy67951 10 ай бұрын
Awesome, comrade . 😊 just to think, how many batteries I’ve thrown away over the years just to find out while watching your demonstration video make me angry about the corruption in our industries. 😢 Thank you for sharing your knowledge with me.😊
@JB-20
@JB-20 7 ай бұрын
Sometimes the reversing polarity technique is better than force charging. Force charging needs a higher voltage and current to boil the electrolytes. But in the reverse technique, even at a very low voltage and current, the liquid quickly boils.
@johnjelinek-g7b
@johnjelinek-g7b 11 ай бұрын
The plates were obviously sulphated, And I bet the reverse polarity broke loose the sulphation . I remember a guy that accidentally recharged a battery and it held voltage .
@richardthomas1743
@richardthomas1743 11 ай бұрын
I think that was more of a test for the starter motor!
@brettbrannon4775
@brettbrannon4775 11 ай бұрын
Wow almost perfect timing was just 4 minutes late today, normally KZbin notifications are later then this time, anyways great content love this channel🙌🏻😁
@treeguyable
@treeguyable 10 ай бұрын
The linear ion phase polarity will never allow for a battery whose grid plates have been manufactured for electron flow in a certain direction, in terms of complete percentages as required from design specifications. But, that doesn't mean you can't over come the reversal effects up to a certain percentage, for a certain amount of time.
@ryanjosef
@ryanjosef 11 ай бұрын
good experiment ! however I would encourage safety glasses in the future , no need to take a shower in battery acid if things go weird . :)
@MathieuTechMoto
@MathieuTechMoto 11 ай бұрын
Try inverting the polarity another time to have original polarity then retest
@FoggyStillness
@FoggyStillness 10 ай бұрын
This is a very amazing and unexpected result. Thank you for making this video! I wonder if similar results could be achieved with a lead-acid battery.
@dimitar4y
@dimitar4y 11 ай бұрын
"old outdated" technology strikes again with its beastly reliability... As someone said, this is a serious "off grid" game changer.
@AIAllar
@AIAllar 11 ай бұрын
I have seen someone reving these through electroicys kind of like when they use this to remove rust. You just use this process to remove the buildup on the tinplates to make them conductive again.
11 ай бұрын
Can you try dimpled piston (and higher compression or AF ratio), I'd love to see that comparison before after
@ChiefRickyRC
@ChiefRickyRC 11 ай бұрын
Dang! I only wonder how long it lasts inverted. Neat work guys 👏
@The_Kiosk
@The_Kiosk 10 ай бұрын
I love that we get a montage of charging a battery for a week.
@helifynoe9930
@helifynoe9930 11 ай бұрын
NOTE: When hooking up to someone else's battery to yours, via battery cables, why are you to connect the cable negative to engine ground AWAY from the battery itself as the final hookup step. And the answer is, to make sure no sparks occur near the battery itself. I had a bad battery in which a spark had occurred near the end of charging, a spark within the battery itself, and it exploded. The explosion was a heck of a lot bigger than I could have ever imagined. A good deal of the battery actually vaporized.
@shanepowers7566
@shanepowers7566 11 ай бұрын
I hope no one was hurt.
@FCFDave
@FCFDave 11 ай бұрын
These guys seem like a lot of fun. I really enjoy these videos =)
@ballen1569
@ballen1569 11 ай бұрын
That's crazy! Hell of starter too!
@UberLummox
@UberLummox 11 ай бұрын
Will this work on a battery that's been dead for a few years? Almost seems too easy. Thanks for the video!
@teardowndan5364
@teardowndan5364 11 ай бұрын
Reversing polarity shakes the sulfation off, which lets it slough off into the sump in a flooded cell battery. You lose electrode material every time this happens and modern consumer batteries don't have much electrode material to spare. You can achieve a similar result by over-charging the battery at a high enough current in a well-ventilated area to prevent hydrogen accumulation to make electrolysis rip sulfation off. Periodically check that the cells are properly flooded and top-up with distilled water as needed to prevent an arc within the cells from setting off the oxy-hydrogen atmosphere and cause an explosion.
@mann_idonotreadreplies
@mann_idonotreadreplies 11 ай бұрын
Cool story bro but not all SLA batteries can be filled
@teardowndan5364
@teardowndan5364 11 ай бұрын
@@mann_idonotreadreplies If your flooded SLA cannot be filled, you should get a different one. Every "maintenance-free" flooded SLA I have seen still have fill holes, they are just hidden under a snap-in/on cover which usually also houses the pressure-relief valves.
@theclearsounds3911
@theclearsounds3911 10 ай бұрын
I tried this over-charging trick many times about 10 years ago. It appears to work, but it doesn't really. The over-charging is only temporary. Once the battery is run and charged under normal conditions (real driving) for about 2 days, it fails to start the car. I even tried boosting the charging voltage of the car to just over 15V, and this extended the life of the battery somewhat. But I soon gave up, as I didn't want to ruin the electronics in the car. You could tell the battery just wasn't providing enough current to run the car properly, because the lights flickered a lot during stop and start driving. This went away when I replaced the battery. And, please don't tell me that the alternator and regulator should provide a constant voltage under all driving conditions, because it doesn't; it relies on the battery to smooth out the voltage. The net result is a battery that charges, but real-time fluctuations occur all the time. You just don't notice them when your battery is in good condition.
@teardowndan5364
@teardowndan5364 10 ай бұрын
@@theclearsounds3911 How well the alternator behaves without a battery depends on the alternator and regulator design. Some have horrible hunting or transient issues, others have no problem whatsoever. When the battery died open-circuit (not taking any charging current) on my 2003 Accent, I drove it using a jumper pack to crank for about a week until I got around to getting a new battery and it ran perfectly fine otherwise.
@jerrysjunk
@jerrysjunk 11 ай бұрын
you can also use a dc welder to restore the battrys
@matiasketo5820
@matiasketo5820 11 ай бұрын
I tried that. But after half year that battery was dead again. Of course I didn't use that at all on that half year. So fixing can work short time, but longer period...? I guess I'm going to try that welder again...
@shyancole2490
@shyancole2490 11 ай бұрын
When battery acid starts boiling and you have the caps on it that's when they explode not every time it boils but it is a high risk for explosion when it starts to boil
@JJFX-
@JJFX- 11 ай бұрын
If it's able to build up gas wouldn't it eventually just pop off the caps? If you did this around a spark then yeah, I'd imagine igniting a build-up of hydrogen isn't going to be a good day.
@shyancole2490
@shyancole2490 11 ай бұрын
@@JJFX- yeah like when you disconnect battery terminals or jumper cables
@JJFX-
@JJFX- 11 ай бұрын
@@shyancole2490 Yeah I've heard rare instances of this happening. In open air this should basically never happen but in extreme situations anything is possible. I know many people think grounding to the chassis during a routine jump is to avoid this but in that case the risk should be minimal. I just do it to ensure a solid ground connection.
@mann_idonotreadreplies
@mann_idonotreadreplies 11 ай бұрын
@cole2490 you must have been connected is wrong.
@shyancole2490
@shyancole2490 11 ай бұрын
@@JJFX- that's funny because on the first car I ever owned in my life it happened I had a 1983 BMW 320i I was 14 years old and had to do a lot of work on it to get it ready for the road when I got my license at 16 the first thing I did was hook up booster cables let them stay on there for only about 45 minutes on a 2 Amp charge as soon as I went to remove them the battery exploded and I was very lucky that I was standing on the driver side of the car because there is a plate that covers two sides of the battery there's a plate on the driver side closest to the fender in between the battery and the fender and one between the battery and the firewall I was lucky I was standing on that side it does happen multiple times a year it's a lot more common than you think just because you haven't seen it does not mean it is rare
@wastelander89
@wastelander89 10 ай бұрын
My batteries usually die after my alternator starts slowing failing or when i have a ground issues. I usually have other issues with the car that ruins the batteries. I always recommend to fully check the alternator and ground wires b4 buying a new battery .just to be sure its not something else killing the battery
@MrtalentedReid
@MrtalentedReid 9 ай бұрын
Thats a good starter 😂😂😂
@CatboyChemicalSociety
@CatboyChemicalSociety 11 ай бұрын
doing this though will exfoliate the battery and so id call this a last resort fix because this polarity flipping is actually whats used to industrially produce the lead oxide for making the batteries in the 1st place. Where you have a cell consisting of 2 electrodes and a suitable electrolyte where the polarity is flipped every 5 seconds or so to evenly corrode the lead and selectively form PbO and not PbO2.
@mann_idonotreadreplies
@mann_idonotreadreplies 11 ай бұрын
Cool Google bro
@CatboyChemicalSociety
@CatboyChemicalSociety 11 ай бұрын
@@mann_idonotreadreplies its not google im an electrochemist
@bobvitoski3158
@bobvitoski3158 2 ай бұрын
I actually discovered this trick about a year ago with a old dirt bike battery i accidentally hooked up the 50amp charger backwards because both clamps had been replaced and not labled. Worked great and was still working when i sold the bike 7 months later. And yes i warned the new owner about it lol
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