Gay Leap Forward: LGBT in China

[@billg7531]

Having lived in China for nearly six years, I have seen a change in attitudes towards homosexuality. The younger generations are accepting of it. The older generations oppose it. As with all social and cultural change, it takes times for attitudes to change. I suspect that as the older generations die off, the generations that replace them will be more accepting of homosexuality in their society. My high school students are mostly accepting, especially with some of their gay classmates who are "secretly open" with them. Applying a western attitude to try to understand the complexities of Asian/Chinese sexuality just does not work. Family is very important. History and past memories are not. Foundation of the society is about money and "face". Conservative views are held highly here. The government is the strong arm, but allows great latitudes in people's daily lives (as long as it does not interfere with party or government). Social status is even more important in China than western nations. All of these, and many more considerations need to be addressed in time. Therefore, I suspect that in 20 years, China will be more willing to consider gay marriages and gay lifestyles. Activists who try to push the timetable forward to benefit their personal lives and agendas threaten the natural change that occurs. The one benefit that China has that can spur the change faster is that China does not have an overly religious society. In western countries, religion was and is the defining factor that blocks further advancement of gay issues. By 2050, China will be a much different nation, as will it's culture and society.

[@miracleshappen4483]

It's about to happen, just wait and see... Lies have very short legs so they never go too far, as they say in my country of origin!

[@elizabethli132]

Bill G but chinese culture is never hostile to gays due to its ultra secularism. only those religious zealots like to cry put to kill gays. in china people who don't like it will just at most murmur themselves but never do substantial harm to gays. in general they don't care

[@opiestanborough4774]

should have a " free cake " day for gays in that time square! then call in the army. Dang China you used to be a bad ass, now just another gay ass

[@westlover29]

as i now live in brasil, i can see guys kissing on roads and so on...i really dont think it necessary to do this in public...this may of course cause desconfort for others and bring a bad image for gays.....even the hetero people doing the intimate behaviours in public is not so confortable for others....that is why we call the PUBLIC PLACE and the INTIMATE AFFAIRS....sometimes,i feel bad in subway if there is a couple(gay ou not)kissing and caressing in front......

[@exnihilo415]

Justice delayed is justice denied. -MLK No such thing as a “Natural” timescale for human rights. LGBT people did nothing about their oppression for hundreds of years and had nothing to show for it. It was only when LGbT people stood up and made allies that change happened. Must be lovely to have the privilege to pontificate about issues that don’t impact you in the slightest. No one reading this has the luxury of waiting for 30 years to live their life.

[@savantianprince]

Love is love.. no matter who you love.

[@pedomcpedoson6213]

No matter what!

[@KillaD55]

No matter the age.

[@okay9784]

Max Kim Lowe stfu

[@donaldsandwicth1130]

So what if i love you mum? Hahahahahahhahahahahahah

[@acgraphics1139]

@@KillaD55 no

[@watchstory2815]

Wow.....from CGTN, this tells how open minded Chinese media is today. Even FOX would never broadcast subject like this

[@mlu007]

It's a sham. CGTN's main mandate is to portray China in a positive light. However, I will say this: in China, there are no Christian overhangs that taint the debate around gay issues. While most Chinese view homosexuality as abnormal or contrary to tradition, rarely anyone in China views homosexuality as an abhorrent sin that must fought off at any cost. Even though most Chinese may not accept homosexuality, rarely any of them will physically assault someone for being gay.

[@nonamej1591]

They are just showing the world a false reality. I mean they kill religious people and ethnic minorities, and harvest human organs.

[@realldd]

@@nonamej1591 have you ever been to China? Don't easily judge the people you don't really even ever met

[@nonamej1591]

@@realldd I am talking about the Chinese government.

[@apieceofcheese1779]

@@mlu007 Nothing in the Communist playbook says being gay is wrong. It is all about traditional Asian concepts, the same kind you would get in other pro-Western countries SK and Japan.

[@huanmo6488]

Actually being gay in China it’s not easy ting ,especially in small city of China.i was coming out for few years my family still can’t acceptable.so I feel regret earlier because we can change nothing. and let my family pain as well.but now I feel freedom I thought life’s short coming out not for anyone just for me.

[@ausfitken]

I am very happy you have chosen the right path to come out to your family and live your life . Yes it is not easy especially in China at present time however something that you should be proud of is you are being honest to yourself and your family. Time will change for your family toward LGBTIQ community. And continuing update the latest information about LGBTIQ community on the positive way. All the best for your new life 😊

[@oliverhuang9846]

加油。

[@kimsteinke713]

well hang in there guys I'm 57 Grandma married and been gay all my life and my whole family never could accept me. but it's changing we're in the extreme South Texas. .I still say religion without proper exit education and science and everything will lead a religion into a cult with delusional thinking and people believe in demons and witches just look up the 16th century it's a delusional.We both misunderstand each other so it's basically one big cluster f up. over thinking in religion that's what's perverted. laugh at this point y'all are making us proud just hold yourself with good respect and know that the Lord is on our side he created us this way. their fight is with God not with us;. amen gay people are very Christian too. buy the way for whoever is reading this . And maybe my family I hope so. Carry on wayward sons keep up the good fight

[@johnathancao1923]

Love the mother who said two sons are better than a daughter in law :D

[@kimsteinke713]

She got the blessing this is the story of the Cross you'll see there's many stories of the Cross all across the planet. This is where you find Jesus and the kingdom of God is within you amen

[@besos4169]

Love how men always take every opportunity to pull their misogyny

[@westlover29]

@@kimsteinke713 for sure,this is the GOd we admire..our God is all love and mercy,he does not judge ,condem nor abandon....just be a nice person and we all get our happiness

[@rinreborn7364]

Wdym

[@rinreborn7364]

SNAComics but why are u gay

[@andrelevesque2405]

It’s not a lifestyle, it’s not about chosing who one wants to be; it’s about being honest and true to oneself.

[@westlover29]

i am not out to my family yet..but i got myself married already in brasil with my brasilian lover.I am very happy now,but still thinking about if i will confess to my parents...they live in a small town and i am afraid that they may suffer from this harsh news....but i am really thinking about this seriously.....

[@Torikuso]

Should probably test the waters a little bit beforehand, see how they feel about it......

[@j-n-dfilms473]

Xiujin Wang Be strong my friend. You will get through this, and you will be very happy. Best wishes to you!

[@Earth098]

I'm glad that Chines state TV support LGBT rights. This would be unthinkable in eastern europe or Russia.

[@totalguardian1436]

I wouldn't say support, rather neutral

[@westlover29]

do hope that china will approve same-sex marriage one day

[@okytakka]

Moly and skye it so adorable god bless them please be yourself because no one can judge you how two adults live their lives and don’t worry about other people’s

[@teachersky585]

Wow! I didn't realize we got so many views!

[@littlerobotfairy9710]

Here in America, when I ask where homophobia comes from, people most often give me the reason is religion. What is the main reason for homophobia, heterosexism, or accompanying bigotry in East Asia where Abrahamic religion and culture are less common?

[@euphoricatheist6694]

The amount of times I've had to point this out to the 'homophobia only exists 'cus muh Christian imperialism!' people. No country in Asia today has what the Western world calls gay rights. To date, Taiwan is the only Asian country to legalize gay marriage just last year, and even that was to their reluctance - the majority of Taiwanese voted against it, but the Supreme Court overruled. To date, Taiwan is the only country in Asia besides Israel to legalize homosexual adoption (again, to their reluctance). The LGBT movement is still almost exclusively a Western phenomenon.

[@littlerobotfairy9710]

@@euphoricatheist6694 That doesn't really answer my question, though.

[@euphoricatheist6694]

​@@littlerobotfairy9710 The answer is what you'd expect - importance of lineage, piety, familial and cultural stability. Incidentally, early Roman pagans despised homosexuality; it wasn't until they expanded into an Empire, assimilated foreign cultures and became thoroughly Hellenized that their stance on homosexuality shifted.

[@dillerhiller]

@@littlerobotfairy9710 how? ... he just explained what you where asking LMAO

[@littlerobotfairy9710]

@@euphoricatheist6694 I wouldn't expect any of those answers. Why would you think that cultural stability has anything to do with homophobia?

[@xiaoyichen9]

As I'm a 24 years old Chinese guy! I can really feeling and understand been a gay in my village is a most horrible thing in the world!!! People criticize you, discriminate against you, push you away and laughing at you! Then your family will not understand you, will keep forcing you to get marry,, shouting to you, you will feeling hopeless, you will be unhappy more and more as time goes by. Even suicide is the best thing to you! I'm wishing I can see that gay can living as a normal people in China one day during I'm alive!!!

[@jjoaocostalima]

Sometimes we don't have to say anything. Just live your life. Try to be happy. Hug from Portugal 🇵🇹

[@macman2132]

Alot of these other people still does not understand that being "gay" is not about lifestyle or choice, it's who they are. Why would you choose to be something that clearly up until now that other people are still against or still has prejudice with?

[@realname8749]

Well made program. Thumbs up.

[@TIENxSHINHAN]

This video called "Gay Leap Forward", the other video is called "Coming Out With Chinese Characteristics". It seems CGTN was funnier 5 years ago.

[@fushigidane888]

Thanks for sharing this beautiful documentary!

[@dazedinasia4994]

When I first went to China i saw many school children boys and girls that are considerably touchy feely with each other and even adults... Women walking hand in hand, arm in arm, sleeping head on shoulders generally doing things that can be perceived as rather sexual, which i thought was quite unusual...a grown women stroking her friends hand or a grown man walking with his arm around his friend. My main point is due to culture intimacy between same sex is quite normal and is probably for a good majority of Chinese people their first instance of intimacy as it's not really social accepted to date or have a girlfriend until after studies are complete which can be upwards of 21 years...There are definitely a lot of people with no sexual experience and curiosity paired with the progression of the world in acceptance and technology this is inevitable. Problematic or not you cannot tell people who they can love. For family and government this is a double edge sword. Now they are banning men for appearing too feminine. Although it is generally accepted to respect your parents in China, parents need their children more than the children need them...that is a fact....parents cannot afford to disown their children and must accept their choices.

[@toottitweet1095]

If life is stressful enough, then LGBT people have one more heavy weight to carry, and a fundamental one too: can I be who I am?! It shouldn't like this. No culture, no religion, no law, should have the right to deny who we are.

[@muppinify]

beautifully said

[@watchstory2815]

Kinda touching to see such true feelings between LGBT couple here, something even hard for straight couple to find.....but I think cos of family, society n government restrictions make them appreciate each other more than straight couple

[@mohammadibnallah8062]

where is the second part or the first?

[@EricSanchez]

5:31 "I'm an independent woman, and I have my own job, and I feel like I can do anything I want"

[@gizzykatkat9687]

Love is love.

[@sirluke7]

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[@pedomcpedoson6213]

Love IS love!

[@brunogarciatasaico]

Cool

[@nehcooahnait7827]

Isn’t CGTN state owned? Wow that means a lot... at least it means the state supports LGBT communities tho not yet considering same-sex marriage at the moment...

[@haruzanfuucha]

Most of modern China's homophobic attitudes were imported from the West or Japan during colonisation which propagated the belief that homosexuality was a "mental illness". Neither the Chinese major belief systems of Buddhism or Taoism have anything against homosexuality, and although Confucianism would have frowned on homosexuality because the act did not produce children it did not have anything against the act itself. This is why many men in Ancient China had male lovers if they also kept a wife to have children with. I think the Ancient Chinese view of homosexuality is similar to that of pre-Christian Ancient Greece whereby homosexual men were tolerated if they were functionally bisexual and of course, in both societies women were considered vastly inferior to men. The main purpose of a woman's life was to birth children and serve men so women were married off at a certain age and had their sexualities controlled by men. Men of all cultures view women as a resource and dominate them with their strength so a woman who did not make herself sexually available to men was considered offensive -- this is why lesbians cop so much shit and why many men kill women for rejecting them.

[@PowersOfDarkness]

They are making progress, this program was probably approve as part of an effort to slowly change public opinion on the matter, because as it currently stands a very large part of the country has negative or ignorant views about LGBT stuff, its sad they havent made more progress but im still happy to see the work being put in to try and make things better.

[@PowersOfDarkness]

@@haruzanfuucha I havent looked into that but am partial to accepting it to some degree, considering that homosexuality has never been illegal in Laos or Vietnam.

[@jessefitzherbert8118]

宣传了，真不错

[@kimsteinke713]

Love y'all

[@drichard123]

Wonderful

[@robertportnoy9729]

I’m certain CGTN (Chinese state run media channel) would never air this domestically or in Chinese.

[@lucynthialezama9859]

ABSOLUTE TRUTH! Media restrictions and censorship across the board!! Don't know where that information came from!! This very second gone by ...the Law. .Don't encourage Don't discouraged Don't promote President JinPing stepped up restrictions on the country's LGBT community and the battle looks bleak only time will tell.

[@bb4251]

in the past, but not for the past three years. TV dramas based off of gay stories have been some of the most watched and most popular dramas in China, but gay characters aren't allowed to kiss in the drama - The Untamed and Word of Honor.

[@napalm_vietcong_2109]

The thumbnail looked like eddy and Brett from two set violins

[@gellibrandrail-australia4038]

Yes it does

[@jannatulferdous8846]

Sometime it's not family ,rather relatives and society create more issue to accepted homosexual partners! And there would be extreme measure for people with conservative religion!

[@frog8313]

i feel like here in nepal, you can go out and see at least 3 pairs of girls holding hands and walking together..like its normal because people dont think of it as homosexuality

[@juvezhang1715]

Even Apple CEO is a gay.

[@oliverhuang9846]

官方记录，有点感动，哈哈哈

[@MasiaDe]

Adam Lambert 2013. Your welcome. 👀👌Seriously nobody talks what he did in China. imo Back then.ugh. Wish he had more respect...

[@komlat253]

I can almost relate to the black girl in China, if my man would stop being scared of his mom. haha it's ok I understand. it's easier to be open in s different country. so I don't have his struggle

[@xandrkenski9943]

"THE SKY IS FALLING". "I COULD NOT SLEEP FOR A WEEK" (thats just physically impossible). "MY HEART IS BLEEDING" ... what a cheap drama queen

[@eugeniasyro7315]

Shut up.

[@ps4455]

27:04 Kevin, you are cute. Please marry me!

[@AlejandroGonzalez-wo5fk]

That mother attitude was really immature

[@beijinggaymassagespa7028]

handsome bo y

[@akairohoshi1872]

I am a big friend of modern China but given the outcome of the great leap forward I think the title for this LGTB campaign is a bit problematic.

[@acgraphics1139]

How is LGBT problematic

[@akairohoshi1872]

@@acgraphics1139 not lgbt is problematic. But the "great leap forward" lead to many deaths so I don't think the name "gay leap forward" is appropriate, because this is a very positive event. Learn to read.

[@PowersOfDarkness]

I think it has different connotations in China, its not viewed as negatively, while negatives are agreed to be associated with the GLF, there were many positives that are never brought up in western spaces.

[@boywithadolphin]

Because of a one child policy and parents sometimes killed a baby girl there are many more single men in China. Many are not gay they just go with a man as a woman is not avalable

[@michaellindeman3595]

mistranslation

[@jiaxinjin]

Where?

[@rinreborn7364]

Looooooooooool, bye

[@Russian-orc]

Noooo… I thought China is based…..

[@totalguardian1436]

Чел

[@Russian-orc]

@@totalguardian1436 че

[@Darknova591]

Even Chinese people themselves hated this western poison

[@nickneylu-p6m]

​@@Darknova591So I don't condemn any gay person who enters into a traditional marriage.

[@joethesimple685]

Good luck for not getting caught by cops and the government, chickens! 🍻😁🍺🍺🍺

[@Torikuso]

It's not illegal to be gay in China, gays can't get arrested. Don't be ridiculous.

[@joethesimple685]

Oh really??? We'll see!

[@jzi1012]

Cgtn is own by Chinese government silly

[@vladivanov5500]

@@Torikuso To the average Western mind, not allowing d.generates to force ideological indoctrination on others (particularly their children) is equivalent to being arrested and/or killed for thinking gay thoughts. There is no middle ground with these people. It's either bend down and take the rainbow, bigot, or you're a nazi that needs to be shot down. It's nothing but a tool to virtue signal and dehumanize their political others.

[@minhkhuetran3430]

WTH, is not Russia

[@mightythehappymealer6.212]

I’m just going to say and lay out this sophisticated statement for my own rights, beliefs and opinion which is I really hope for the sake of the entire world 🌍 of young little kids own mind, future, life and everything else altogether at all cost children don’t have to discover or be expose to this lgbt 🏳️‍🌈 homosexuality stuff, people, activity’s, media, culture etc. so that these young children from china 🇨🇳 don’t have to grow up gay at all of both gender (the boys & girls) it’s not going to work out really well for them in any level it’ll destroy and tear them apart deep inside and their childhood, soul, playfulness, and whatever else altogether in the process over there 👉 at China 🇨🇳 in several different ways possible and we do not want that happening to those little Chinese kids at all so let us hope none of that will not happen to them eventually.

[@Darknova591]

Amen

[@nickneylu-p6m]

把你们的双眼蒙上之后他们就会从自然消失了吗?懦夫，你只想维持充斥着分裂和各种不幸的现状，守护不了任何人。我对你很失望🙁