Which Kahr? Value and Premium Comparison

What's the difference between Kahr's two main lines? We aim to find out.
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[@RimfireAddicted70]

I am looking forward to seeing the next part of this video. I appreciate these videos as they honestly provide the information on commonly purchased guns many people are looking to learn more about before buying. Keep up the great work!

[@hogtiefly3708]

I know I'm late in the game as this came out over a year ago but awhile back I was in the same dilemma of choosing between these two. I noticed that both my gunsmith and his wife have Kahrs as their EDC. So when I asked they came back with an angle I had not considered. They suggested the CW9 because "if you're ever involved in a shooting incident of any kind are you comfortable with having your expensive firearm confiscated by police for an lengthy period of time?" Love my CW.

[@MPjustaman]

hogtiefly I have purchased 3 of Kahrs pistols in the past year, P380, PM9 , P45. I have NOT had any issues with the guns. Fiocchi ammo does not feed well in the 380. Other than that it has ate every thing its been fed. I also had the dealer bring that very issue up to me too.

[@charliedee9276]

I EDC my MK9 for 7 years now and train with it pretty often. Go for the extra dough and get an MK series. A bit heavy being all stainless however the added weight really has control of the recoil and they just look badass and feel solid.

[@chuckroast5735]

I own a K9 elite. My favorite gun of my collection.

[@redryder1146]

Great video thank you very much I really like my KAHR tp9!!!!

[@bobg1685]

I have a K40 for edc, and I'm considering getting the CW9 for edc, as well. The K40 is all metal, and I put C/T grips on it. Admittedly, I see it as something of a boutique gun, but it's an awful nice gun, and suitable for home defense use. My other edc is a revolver, but I'm thinking about adding the CW9 to the gang because it makes sense for me to carry a mechanical platform I'm already familiar with. Maybe I'll carry the K40 when I wear a snooty dinner jacket, and I'll carry a CW9 when I'm going to Safeway, and I'll jam the 642 into my pocket when I go to the thrift store.

[@aaronburela432]

this video points out real good points on the differences between these guns. Always a good watch here at gb guns!

[@GBGuns]

+Aaron Burela thank you!

[@Mr.56Goldtop]

Well done video! I dont think the fancier barrel for greater accuracy is that much of a big deal here, since most self defense shootings are 10 feet or closer. But the night sights and extra mags really condone the extra cost, IMO.

[@ppowerproductions2953]

Yeah I agree I bought the cw9 and 3 extra mags and can order a match barrel for it if I wanted and it would still be cheeper than buying the 700 dollar package but I liked the look of the cw9 and compare it to the Glock 48 as far as slim it is

[@kylewood8327]

Great video…I’ve had the 2 K’s and a MK9, sold both to heavy. Great guns just heavy. Picked up a P9 and really have nothing but great things to say about this pistol!

[@wehrewulf]

Heavy? Are you 3 foot tall with 1 leg?

[@redeye2895]

I own both the CW9 and CW380 Tungsten I love both. The 9 is flawless the 380 I had 1 issue with some cheap crappy ammo from Walmart otherwise no problems. There is something to the recommended break in, the pistols will loosen up a little, I think the springs need to be exercised along with Kahrs tight machining. Good video.

[@dccmadams44]

Fiocchi was doing the same in mine. Fiocchi makes Perfecta. The lip on the bottom of the brass is thicker and causes the problem The lip has a hard time getting behind the extractor. There is a mod on You-tube, Kahr extractor mod 380, that I performed on mine, and now it runs everything. Check out the guys video. Some don't want to do any mods to there gun, but I want mine to work. If you screw up the extractor, it can be bought from Kahr for $16.

[@redeye2895]

Thanks for that info I will check it out.

[@ironhorse127]

Karh sometimes has hidden deals that they dont really advertise. I bought a CW9 model 9093HM It’s a CW9 that comes with 2 magazines instead of 1, plus a nice little holster. Same price or in my case, slightly lower than CW9093. Also picked up a CT380 Tungsten. Came with 2 mag instead of 1, Tungsten cerakote slide, slide lock/release, and a hard csae instead of cardboard. Same price as standard CT 380. Both guns are fantastic.

[@anthonybritten9974]

Good video very informative. Thanks

[@settleschris1965]

I've been looking at the Kaye line, thanks for the info.

[@1900stratoliner]

The CW looks nice with the pattern on the frame.

[@Jomamy89]

Hey gb I'm a cw9 owner and very much so enjoyed watching your video. When I bought my cw9 about 12-18 months ago I didn't know to much about kahr and any of their products. Of course being a new kahr owner I wanted to know as much as possible about the brand and different models. I thing I have not been able to figure out is if the pm9 upper (slide and barrel) and the cw9 lower (polymer handle and trigger mechanism) are interchangeable in the sense that if I wanted to go out and buy a pm9 barrel with the polygonal rifling or the slide and put it on my cw9, would it work.

[@HansZarkovPhD]

Took my new k9t to the range today, 20 rounds in, the ejector assembly flew out of the slide and hit my hand, severly bruising it. This explained the fail to eject/ stovepipes from the first range trip. Sent back for warranty repair. Will update as events progress.

[@GBGuns]

Are you sure it was today? Seems like you posted the same thing on another video a day or two ago.

[@HansZarkovPhD]

@@GBGuns cut n paste, the day it happened is not the point

[@bonespiel]

The CW looks like a carbon fiber look compared to the P model which looks really cool!

[@GBGuns]

The carbon fiber actually has a slightly different feel to it. Despite being the less-expensive model it feels great in the hand.

[@bonespiel]

Graham Baates it actually makes me want to hold it more.... It is just so unique. It is the only gun I've seen like it.

[@MPjustaman]

Love those Kahr’s

[@louisv7795]

That is the Elite 2003 if you had any experience with them. The first was Elite 98 and now the Elite 2003. I guess no change improvements to update it this many years later.

[@AdrianMagana95]

I like my CW9 honestly

[@jimwilberforce2612]

Did I miss the part where you decided which one to go with?

[@HansZarkovPhD]

Update... 5 weeks to be able to fire round 21. End of august. Am going to sell Kahr at next gun show and get something reliable. Ruger lc9s. Never had a misfire on any of my other 3 rugers.

[@nephisilver3051]

I hate the reset on the trigger I don't like Striker fire but the extra magazine and the Trillium sites are worth it

[@dccmadams44]

Just got the CT380 for $221 locally. Worked the ejector, Mag-guts, and Talon grips. Shoots everything now. I like that I can get 3 fingers on the grip.

[@ronaldlucero4258]

RIGHT AWAY I NEED # 3 MAGS 😂.

[@GBGuns]

If you want to train, yes

[@ronaldlucero4258]

@@GBGuns 4 DIRT BAGS .

[@GBGuns]

Aside from most serious training institutions requiring multiple magazines, mags are also an expendable item that wear out over time. Having one magazine with either uncertainty or needing to wait for a replacement renders the firearm into a single shot.

[@ronaldlucero4258]

@@GBGuns MY EXPERIENCE IN LIFE HAS SHOWN ME THAT PEOPLE LIKE TO TALK.

[@GBGuns]

@@ronaldlucero4258 Interesting that you've made that observation, but not come to understand magazines yet. Are you new to firearms?

[@FindersKeepers88]

Good, Thx

[@marknorwood7521]

On the 45 acp models, due standard 1911 mags work?

[@nmende00]

I disagree on getting a pistol with just one magazine. Magazines are not pistol accessories and I hate when they are advertised as such. If your single magazine gets lost or damaged your pistol quickly becomes an expensive mallet. You should have at least 2 mags so you can practice reloads under pressure because it's much faster to insert a loaded mag rather than trying to reload an empty magazine under duress.

[@jamesjohnson4163]

It takes 1911 mags they are inexpensive

[@GreyGhost-r4z]

Can you swap barrels? IF I have a CW9 can I just purchase a PM9 polygonal barrel and upgrade the CW/CM?

[@louisv7795]

I had the premium .380, sold it for the value CM9. Happy, bit was talked out of the CM40 by Kahr customer service. Mistake. Now I want to get the Elite line in .40.the K-40 orMK. What do you think of those?

[@GBGuns]

I haven't tried them. We don't shoot .40cal, just the original 10mm from time to time.

[@garybowers1828]

Louis V I have a K40 and love it. Great gun!

[@louisv7795]

After waiting months, I finally got my Kahr K-40 Elite. Best gun ever. Worth every penny.

[@GreyGhost-r4z]

Why did they try to talk you out of the 40 ?

[@Douglas-Ops]

As Always, good info GB! Do you have experience w/ the CW380? Is it fussy w/ ammo? My new out of the box has a myriad of function problems... Thank for any info!

[@GBGuns]

+Douglas I don't, try asking TheFireArmGuy. He's big into Kahr

[@Douglas-Ops]

Thank you. :)

[@glenn19100]

I have the Kahr ct380. You have to run 200 rounds to break in your cw380 or any kahr for that matter. After that if you still have issues you should check out the kahr forum. They have lots of info for getting your kahr up and running! The kahr 380's are very ammo sensitive. Mine wouldn't feed Geco at all. I found some info on fixing the extractor on the forum and it has been functioning fine now, If you use cheap dirty ammo in it you may have reliability issues after a hundred rounds or so, but after clean up it should be fine again. Keep the striker channel clean and oil free also.

[@Douglas-Ops]

Hey that's great info, thanks for the help!

[@dccmadams44]

Fiocchi was doing the same in mine. Fiocchi makes Perfecta. The lip on the bottom of the brass is thicker and causes the problem The lip has a hard time getting behind the extractor. There is a mod on You-tube, Kahr extractor mod 380, that I performed on mine, and now it runs everything. Check out the guys video. Some don't want to do any mods to there gun, but I want mine to work. If you screw up the extractor, it can be bought from Kahr for $16.

[@macross7k]

Are the magazines compatible with both guns?

[@davidhartley6232]

Which Kahr? 🤔 K9 or T9? I don't mind much for the other variants.

[@GusFogle]

I agree that the metal frame Kahr's are the only ones worth considering. I'd suggest a K9 Elite. This is different from the standard K9 in that it includes a customized smooth trigger, a specially polished feed ramp for extra reliability and a polished stainless finish as apposed to the standard brushed stainless finish on the regular K9 (the standard K9 has a heavier trigger pull as well).

[@xDEA4xFPS]

Did you say you take guns to schools??

[@brianbiggs2193]

Value Series

[@jasonholland8392]

PM9, rather than P9, should have been used for comparison. Dimensionally they are different. The PM is more compact and the better seller. The polygonal rifling in the barrel is match grade. It helps propel the bullet at higher muzzle speed. The CW has MIM parts while the PM has forged parts. The slide exterior on the PM series is machined, milled, and and contoured while the CW has rough sharp cuts. Two extra magazines are $65-$70.

[@GlenBraeDude]

The better night sights on the PM add to the price too. If you're going to go with the CW9/CM9 with the intention of upgrading it why bother? Get the PM9 and be done with it. Have had nothing but good results with my PM9, no regrets but then I don't run crap ammo through it either. And with an Alabama Holster for inside the pocket it IS a great carry too. I notice a lot of owners regardless of the brand or model of gun they're dissing never mention they're likely running crap ammo, expecting it to perform like the good stuff.

[@hardtarget2359]

You have no idea what your talking about with the slide release. The mim not having very much stress on it is false. That piece is what takes the most abuse on the gun. Slide and barrel lock and unlock on that piece. They are notorious for breaking on the cheaper guns.

[@michaelsweaney3890]

Kahr cw 380

[@redram5150]

My CW9 came with one mag

[@ironhorse127]

Mine came with 2 magazines and a holster from the factory. Catalog number was 9093HM

[@HansZarkovPhD]

Update, no dealer at the gunshow would even look at it. Not even for $300. Said they have too many kanrs and cant sell any of them.

[@DefinitelyNotMyRealName]

Unfair comparison, as these are two different beasts. Slide cuts, milled slide stops, number of mags, barrel rifling; those are the differences and reasons why they charge hundreds more or less.

[@GBGuns]

Exactly. My point was to show that so people understand the difference.

[@Actuary1776]

WTF

[@Gigabomber]

plastic front sight and extra mags. plastic...

[@stevenkennedy4130]

Kahr CW40.

[@brocklezner9819]

Am I the only one trying to find the carbon fiber grip frame

[@GBGuns]

It was just a wrap, but actually carbon fiber. It did, however add a slightly grippier feel

[@TheAvenstar]

Just me -- I don't have to see the test. I already know there's no tangible difference in the shooting results.

[@GBGuns]

Then why did you bother to click on the video?

[@junjunreyes6119]

Bad comparison. You should have compared the pm9 with the cm9.

[@alfurqanalmubeen9418]

Folks, don’t buy the CW9 it’s reliable but anything but accurate. It is terrible no matter what you do, I have to take a stall a few yards from other shooters. This Gun is so disappointing, I have a carbon and I’m trying to get rid of.

[@GBGuns]

We didn't have any accuracy issues. Not a tack driver, but fine for defensive use.

[@DefinitelyNotMyRealName]

User error. The firearms aren't inaccurate, it's the humans fault.

[@ironhorse127]

My CW9 has run flawlessly right out of the box, and is extremely accurate. Perhaps yours is a lemon, or perhaps its the shooter. As an older shooter who was weened on revolvers, the Kahr is similar to a very smooth double action. I like and shoot them well.

[@AOMartialArts]

I'll buy your inaccurate gun from you.

[@Bobshouse]

Cardboard vs plastic? Go plastic!!!

[@ihorkrusynskyi6622]

👍

[@stevelewis1221]

My experience is that Kahr Arms handguns are junk. I'll never buy another one.

[@GBGuns]

What happened with yours?

[@stevelewis1221]

@@GBGuns couldn't get through one magazine without several jams. Wasn't the break in period. I put, "tried", over 500 rounds through it. I'm sure some people have good luck with them, but I would never trust my life to one. I wanted to like the gun. It felt good in my hand and it was a great size. None of that matters if it's not reliable.

[@fpav4264]

I had a CW380 Tungsten that didn't work at all and the slide stop broke 185 rounds in. After warranty that $3..00 part sells for 24.00 0n Kahr web site. After it returned from Kahr I sold it and bought a better 380,,, Taurus TCP . 100% out of the box and costs less. Never Kahr again. Also racking the slide feels like plastic not polymer. Rear rails are almost non existent. For 600.00 I'll buy a sig. ,S&W, Glock anything but Kahr. IMO.

[@andrewlambert1341]

fpav I

[@Douglas-Ops]

Having function problem w/ mine too, new out of the box. Is it ammo sensitive? Horrible, you think that's the best direction..just get rid of it? Thanks for any info.

[@GBGuns]

+Douglas what's the issue?

[@fpav4264]

tryshooting it a couple hundred round. I had the pleasure of 1 round at a time, double feeds FTE clearing it over 100xs. Then send it back to the company. Maybe they can fix it. I wouldhave really loved to get a good one. The little overpriced gun is very cool. Forget trying to use perfecta.

[@Douglas-Ops]

Failure to feed,extract,and fire. I only had one mag cycle in 50 rds,. I'm thinking(hoping) it's an ammo issue. Will try a few more brands this weekend. Otherwise it is a beautiful little $300 paper weight. lol

[@kzrider247]

polygonal rifling does not like lead bullets. just saying.

[@robbrown5702]

But it does give you a slight increase in velocity.