I Ain't Following Remote ID FAA Regulations!!

I Ain't Following Remote ID FAA Regulations!!
In this video I will provide a background discussion on the FAA, how they write regulations and how these regulations are being applied to the new world of drone and RC model airplane flight. In short how to address a pilot who says "I ain't following remote ID FAA regulations."
Some viewers who are drone pilots are new to the world of the FAA regulations and how they are enforced. I cover this in detail, as well as the coordination between local law enforcement authorities and the FAA regarding drone flights.
The FAA is concerned with three main areas for recreational drone pilot violations, and that concerns controlled airspace violations, flight over people and crashing your drone.
At the 19+20 mark I will go over a Cape Air accident where a pilot passed out during flight due to a diabetic incident and caused the passenger to land the airplane. This is an extreme example of FAA regulation enforcement as the pilot lied about his medical history on his FAA medical application.
Deciding whether or not to follow FAA regulations is a personal decision. But I recommend that drone and RC pilots follow the regs. The remote ID module situation will be in a proper place this fall whereby modelers can afford and use this new piece of hardware mandated by the FAA.
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Chapters
00:00 - Intro
00:22 - Overview
01:40 - Remote ID background
04:55 - FAA and regulations
06:00 - Drone regulation authority
09:25 - Are FAA regulations constitutional?
15:15 - Three FAA drone regulation focus areas
19:20 - Cape Air incident
22:10 - Concluding remarks

[@georgekelly1948]

The closer September 16 gets, the less concerned I am with remote ID. Your several videos on this issue have put many of my apprehensions at rest. Please continue to keep us informed. Cheers from Wisconsin.

[@TimMcKay56]

George: Glad it helped! Tim

[@charlesmyers9765]

Yeah, according to what he saying they cant tell where we are at without that little tattle tail box. lol

[@clarencegreen3071]

About 20 years ago, there was a thriving ultralight/experimental aircraft community in my region of central North Carolina, a semi-rural area with lots of privately owned grass runways, etc. We had lots of fly-ins where folks would gather, tell lies, and eat some good food. It was great! Enter the FAA with a whole bunch of regulations that went into effect Jan. 1, 2008. Now, some 15 years later, the community is gone and you seldom hear about or see such an aircraft. Needless to say, I'm not a fan of the FAA. - Former experimental pilot and Cessna driver.

[@edwill62]

There are still few to no regs regarding ultralights Part 103 and yet flying toys has tripled in rules in just in the past 2-3 years Big difference

[@TimMcKay56]

Again, Part 103 fliers for the most part know enough to stay out of controlled airspace without a clearance. Thus, the FAA leaves them alone. Tim

[@joetheairbusguy1813]

From a different perspective, I remember the early days of ultralights when I’d be flying an instrument approach and breaking out of the clouds only to find a gaggle of ultralight aircraft right in my path. Regulations were a welcome addition to this fleet.

[@gordonmckay4523]

@@joetheairbusguy1813 Good to know! Tim

[@blacksheep933]

@@joetheairbusguy1813 I call BS!!

[@slapdat.byteme]

Well, at the age of 62 the threat of”life in prison” just aint the deterrent it once was. Eagerly awaiting Sep 16th to take my first non-compliant flights.

[@TimMcKay56]

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[@joemck1235]

I'm 50 and I'm not worried about it really I mean how many vidoes are up we're they have no spotter or anything else right on KZbin so I highly doubt they are gonna be worried about me lmfao

[@TimMcKay56]

@@joemck1235 Copy!

[@WR3ND]

If I was pessimistic, I'd assume the real reason they have these formalities is to have legal grounds to clear the way for enterprise. 🤔

[@gordonmckay4523]

@@WR3ND I'll be doing further videos, but from my research and experience remote ID is here to stay. The FAA simply needs to know who is flying in the National Airspace System, as they've been doing this with full scale pilots since the agency was formed in 1958. We'll get through this. Tim

[@attackfalcon]

If civilians are able to obtain remote-id access, they will also have the ability to find and target us for drone theft or harassment.

[@TimMcKay56]

Copy.

[@mithrandir1313]

2A can be a pretty good deterrent..

[@SoloRenegade]

@@mithrandir1313 nothing stops criminals ultimately. we also have trespassing laws, but that doesn't stop crime.

[@doctorditman]

To follow your logic we should have no laws or regulations because some people violate them anyway@@SoloRenegade

[@SoloRenegade]

@@doctorditman wrong. so wrong. Passing laws that accomplish nothing, and prevent things that weren't even problems, are pointless and should not exist. This is a law in search of a problem. we already have plenty of laws to cover teh things bad people will do anywyas.

[@bigdaddyjuicerfpv2033]

*** (I have been banned from posting on this channel after this. My reply has been blocked - but you can read it below. )*** I can't wait to hear your response to this........ A few facts: The FAA is not an "enforcement" agency. Local Law Enforcement Officers are NOT Federal RULE enforcement agents. I am a Part 107 pilot since 2016. I've had every type of Karen and Dumb Cop interaction you can imagine. Let me explain to everyone EXACLTY what to do when a drone cop makes contact with you and starts demanding crap. (Unless you live in a stop and ID state or are operating a motor vehicle on a public road) Police cannot demand a darn thing. When cops come up to me and start talking, I make eye contact ask their name and badge number then tell them I want my lawyer present for all questions. (5th Amendment right) Then ask for a supervisor (they are required to get one when asked). After that I refuse to say a word, except to ask "Am I being detained?" and "Let me know when you are done detaining me." You are NOT required to give your Trust Card/Part 107, SSN Card, ID Card, DL, etc to any cop just because they demand it. Cop 101: In order to demand ID a cop must have Reasonable Articulable Suspicion that you are breaking a LAW!!!! Not a Federal Rule. I refuse to show them anything. (4th Amendment right) I have my drones all registered. The number is on the bottom in the same grey color as the drone so tiny its hard to read, but if holding the drone in your hand it can be clearly seen. This is done so they can't take a picture or see the number. Cops are NOT allowed to touch or seize your drone even for a second. Again, that's a 4th Amendment right violation. 100% of the time cops are called on me I leave without giving them anything, ever... period. If a cop has a Remote ID app, and sees you flying and notices your drone is not broadcasting... again, local law enforcement officers are not federal rule enforcement agents. Just ask the cop this, "what penal code violation is "not complying with remote ID"? Done. Now they can and will try to see what car you are driving to ID you that way. Being patient works. I've found that cops get bored and leave after 15-20mins of watching me to see what car I am driving. Keep in mind, I follow every single FAA rule. I even do things above and beyond what they require; marking landing sites with orange cones, having a lipo rated fire extinguisher on site at all times, etc. I will not however comply with RemoteID. That will only make the Karen situation worse. Using your own analogy; Do local cops enforce FDA rules/policies? Of course not. Just like they don't stop people using cellphones to make sure they are FCC compliant. I am not a lawyer, nor to I play one on TV. David Lane (Denver, CO) is my lawyer and we are ready for the FAA. **** the following was my reply to Tim before he blocked it: @Tim McKay NOTHING to follow at all. There is ZERO connection between local law enforcement and federal rules. ZERO! The idea that local cops are going to start busting kids at parks flying toys without RemoteID is never going to happen. Just like local cops don't enforce building codes/rules. Cities are required to have and maintain an entire dept of employees to enforce building codes or even city codes (like your grass is too long). Question - how many people have been arrested by a cop for their grass being too long? Now if they FAA wants to hire rule enforcement agents.... will that ever happen? Nope. One other thing... I've been flying remote aircraft since the mid 80's. Quadcopters since 2013. This isn't "new and evolving". Its OLD and evolving. YEARS and YEARS of dji style drones everywhere. How many have killed someone? Seriously injured? How many people have been arrested by cops for flying a drone (that wasn't in a park where a city has a ordinance)?????? How many drones have crashed into manned aircraft? I know of one. It was a cop flying a drone into a police helicopter. We have this thing called history we can rely on Tim. History has shown us that the FAA is a joke! Let me drop another one on ya Tim. The Federal Post Office!!!! They have their own enforcement division as well. Why is that? Because local cops are not federal rule enforcement agents. Some cities have signed/voted on agreements with their post offices. This is so local cops can enter federal property and enforce LOCAL LAWS. So if I enter a post office and ship a lipo battery without marking that on the box - I just violated a federal rule. I get caught. What happens? Does the post master call local police? Of course not. Even with a signed letter of cooperation between the Federal Govt (Post Office) and local PD only allows the PD to enforce what they are mandated to enforce.... LAWS, not rules. Those agreements are for people breaking local LAWS on postal property (such as disorderly conduct). Meaning even if a city enters into an "understanding" about FAA regulations with the FAA, local cops can still only enforce LAWS. (I mention this because some cities have already tried - right Mayor of Telluride, CO?) Now if pilots choose to waive their civil rights and comply with cops out of fear... I can't help the sheep.

[@undercoverfaadude8760]

Very true information here. We here at the FAA were hoping LEO's would start being our personal enforcement division. Ooops. We are all bark and no bite. If everyone simply ignores Remote ID whatever will we do? Nothing! Regarding the FAA fining people in the past. This is true, when we have found someone so incredibly reckless we have no choice. How many people have been fined for flying faster than 100MPH? Or flying too close to clouds? Both of those are in 14CFR107. How many people have been fined for flying 450' AGL? Or say flying at night without a strobe light? (Right Dobo?) There are THOUSANDS of videos of people violating FAA Rules posted every single day on YT for the FAA to see. Botgrinder just posted a video of him flying his toy 8KM out and back. Will the FAA fine him? How about Joshua Bardwell? That dork posts videos of him flying BVLOS almost daily. Has the FAA even once contacted these people to kindly ask them to follow the rules? Nope, not even a phone call. Like Mr. Juicer says above, the FAA is not an enforcement agency. We do have something called The Aviation Litigation Division (AGC-300), however they are for dealing with manned aircraft. If you ignore Remote ID we will do NOTHING!

[@TimMcKay56]

BD: As I mentioned, this is a very new and evolving set of actions by local law enforcement and the FAA. More to follow. Tim

[@theaerialauditor-pu2kg]

@@TimMcKay56 Hey Karen, I mean Tim, why are you blocking Big Daddy? He speaks the truth man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@RevDrone]

@@TimMcKay56 Blocking someone for having an opinion that differs from your, or blocking someone just because they educated you a sign you are not mentally well. You okay Tim?

[@undercoverfaadude8760]

@@TimMcKay56 There will never be any evolving actions for local law enforcement to start enforcing rules from a single federal agency. That is not how things work in America, you're old enough to know better.

[@michaelalix4943]

Maybe the FAA needs 87,000 armed FAA agents for enforcement. 🤣🤣🤣

[@TimMcKay56]

New ideas! Tim

[@wattage2007]

Don't give Biden (Obama) any ideas.

[@gadget_hack]

​@wattage2007 so former president Obama personally went to your house and took something from you?

[@edwill62]

They do not need them, they have nearly 195 thousand AMA members who will report anyone outside their own clique, whether they are flying illegal or not 🤣😂🤣

[@MadDragon75]

They send feds.

[@1967friend]

Unless Bardwell and Blunty were wrong. As of just a couple days ago the FAA has not granted a single FRIA. Not a single ONE! It’s awfully easy for someone who’s a part of a club like AMA to be so cavalier about this. And to that, the rest of us hobbyists who don’t have that luxury are all thinking “F you”.

[@TimMcKay56]

The AMA will let us know soonest when FRIAs are approved. I have not heard any updates yet. As I mentioned, need to wait until at least July 3 for the environmental review to be done. Tim

[@earache_srt8790]

I have not operated a model for several years. I was never into drones or helicopters. I have model rockets and free flight gliders. I do still have one fairly large rc plane. I have had planes as large as 35% and some fair sized gliders that were rc . Seems unfortunate that these new regulations may further discourage people from participating in such a enjoyable hobby.

[@TimMcKay56]

It really is not that much work. Once the RID modules come out, after you register, that is it. People are making this a lot harder than it is. Tim

[@earache_srt8790]

@@TimMcKay56 my thoughts are geared towards free flight and even rc gliders. I don’t know what the regulations would be as far as elevation . In the past I’ve had gliders up so high that I’ve had to stall the aircraft continuously until I could manage its orientation. I can imagine that being a problem today or soon. We didn’t have any way of knowing how high the aircraft actually was back then.

[@gordonmckay4523]

@@earache_srt8790 Yeah, judging altitude always a guess. Best to use your judgement on these matters. Tim

[@TimMcKay56]

@@redryder6987 Yikes!! 😳

[@jamesbottger5894]

The problem is the FAA lumping RC planes and Helicopters in with drones. They shouldn't be...

[@jordancoleman2402]

Love the videos Tim but i will not comply. X jet makes some valid points against it and im 💯 with him

[@TimMcKay56]

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[@jroar123]

On more thing, (like you can't see I'm not a fan of these new rules) if I want to do something bad with a drone, don't you think that I would rip out the Remote I.D. and not have a license Part 107? This is a tax. if it was about safety, they would have written a safety manual online for everyone to take that wouldn't cost an arm and a leg.

[@TimMcKay56]

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[@Sky1]

Do I need to register my beach Frisbee?

[@TimMcKay56]

No. 😊

[@ericruggles4631]

Maybe?

[@Didjeridoolove]

😂👍🏼👍🏼

[@frankmoreau8847]

I'll just stay under 250 grams and remain invisible. I fly recreationally for photos and videos, and while I don't live in the middle of nowhere, I am on the outskirts. The only thing that bothers me about RID is the Karen app gives the operators location to the general public. If the location information was available to law enforcement only it would be less of a problem.

[@TimMcKay56]

Good approach! Tim

[@peterpizzurro9410]

I'll fly what I want and not give two shits about FAA. I just use common sense while flying.

[@ChrisParayno]

​@@TimMcKay56 great! If you want to stay recreational.

[@Razor-gx2dq]

Yeah I'm worried about that, most of registration databases are only available to LE and it should be that way.

[@genefoxgreenmountaindroning]

We have to fly below 400 feet so what gives manned planes the wright to fly below 400 feet a private small planes.

[@TimMcKay56]

Manned aircraft flying under visual flight rules can fly below 500 ft AGL over "sparsely populated areas." They are allowed to do this solely because there is a pilot on board for see and avoid, which no drone can do. Tim

[@jimp.7286]

The gov. always uses "safety" as the "in" to create new rules. I can see i.d. tags for drones but I.D. tags for scale rc planes that typically fly at club locations?... Or faa permits to oversee club locations? Places where folks have flown for decades. Why now? What's different in 2023 than in 2003 for the scale modeler and safety? Same kind of people. Same kinds of models. The only thing I can think of,....is lobbying from corporations getting ready to roll out drone delivery and wanting control of most all local airspace up to a couple hundred feet? - and politicians ready and eager to help them. Once the faa has the place under it's gov control - it can take it away for any reason they decree. I find id tags for model airplanes to be another example of gov overreach. Want to make the hobby lose most all of it's appeal? Id tags required to license your styrofoam park flyer. My two cents.

[@TimMcKay56]

Thanks! Tim

[@richardsmith3178]

It's bull shit my friend

[@robertsprague853]

remote id operator location is available to anyone, while license plate owner / operator info is available to LEO. Logically this means thefts will increase as hobbyists attempt compliance.

[@TimMcKay56]

We’ll see!

[@robertsprague853]

The use of Apple air tags for larceny are proof of concept

[@edwill62]

@@TimMcKay56 Has already occurred even without ID, imagine when everyone can see where a pilot is

[@thirtythreeeyes8624]

License plates don't have a GPS tracker. Calling it a license plate is BS a license plate would be the registration number they already wanted on every drone.

[@gordonmckay4523]

@@thirtythreeeyes8624 Copy!

[@crystalclearwindowcleaning3458]

Tim, we are only three months away from the there is no viable way for the recreational modelers to comply. Even if someone came out with a five-dollar module next week, he would be very difficult for all of us to purchase one and make sure that it worked before the deadline. You are awfully optimistic to think the FAA is going to be reasonable and postpone the deadline until we have such a module.

[@TimMcKay56]

Easy to slip the Sept 16 date, methinks. 😊👍🏻 Tim

[@MCLIcpfan000]

@@TimMcKay56 I agree they are probably going to slip the date.

[@TimMcKay56]

@@MCLIcpfan000 👍🏻😊✈️ Tim

[@flyinbryanfpv]

02:33 I truly am tired of people calling it a digital license plate. That is so far from the truth. License plates do not transmit gps coordinates, heading, altitude, session etc...

[@TimMcKay56]

Well, sort of. Keep in mind the RID systems we've seen to date transmit less than 2 km distance. That really is not very far. And as for car license plates, most people are blissfully unaware of how many digital cameras are out there staring at roads, gates, parking lots, etc. Our community Flock camera will transmit license plate info to LE within a fraction of a second if a tag shows up on the Hot List. Tim

[@flyinbryanfpv]

@@TimMcKay56 Yes, I am fully aware of passive data collection on plates whether DOT cameras or plate readers on police units. I have a problem with it but there is still a choice for a driver to avoid locations with the cameras. Honestly I'm getting tired of data collection of everyday movement. People should have a right to move freely without being tracked (we did prior to the internet age).... comparing this to a digital license plate in my opinion cheapens the importance of the distinction. The tail number is a license plate.

[@SueMyChin]

@@TimMcKay56 Are there websites collating and publishing the historical location of your car to the public domain?

[@johncalhoun358]

hey Tim,, great content,, do you think the reconized sites will be in effect before sept? will there be a grace period for clubs who have sumbitted an application?

[@TimMcKay56]

John: Thanks for checking in! See my video on why no FRIAs yet. Due to an environmental impact review that is complete July 3. Hopefully we’ll have some approvals over the sumner! Tim

[@tenlittleindians]

Many people including myself disagree with your opinion that the FAA has the ability to write new rules into law. They wouldn't be getting sued in court if this was true. Like other three letter agencies they have been known to exceed their limits.

[@my_dear_friend_]

A lawsuit hardly means that the entity being sued is guilty of breaking the law or having done anything wrong. That is determined by the outcome(!) of the suit.

[@TimMcKay56]

The FAA can write regulations . . . pretty much the entire point of the video. 🤔 Tim

[@tenlittleindians]

@@my_dear_friend_ If we let government have their way there would be no homebuilt aircraft today! They tried to outlaw homebuilts in the very beginning. The entire EAA organization is a result of that battle with big business controlled government.

[@edwill62]

@@TimMcKay56 Tim but still only with Congressional approval and a rule making process that the FAA has recently been ignoring .

[@edwill62]

FAA can not make laws only Congress can make Laws. There is a rule and Regulations making process for All Government bureaucracies and the FAA has not been following it at all .

[@Tomc528]

Been flying rc since the late 70s never licensed with faa did ama 1 year... Not a fan of anything government.

[@TimMcKay56]

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[@loftbuckleyrc]

AMA is not government

[@TimMcKay56]

@@loftbuckleyrc True that, but AMA is a stakeholder with the FAA and remote ID discussions. This is a hugely important role and in our favor.

[@jroar123]

You know what is coming next, they will require everyone to have a special insurance in order to fly.

[@TimMcKay56]

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[@webreakforsquirrel4201]

AMA is supposed to be that special insurance. But try and get a payout on a claim they will find some reason not to pay. Ultimately the responsibility was and always will be on the pilot. AMA offers no benefit to being a member unless you live in Muncie, Indiana where they can gatekeep the hobby.

[@TimMcKay56]

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[@darcam]

As a hobbyists I think the government involvement is ridiculous and intrusive, how can children like a 5 year old or 5 to 12 year old be able to test or deal with all the regulations of the drones. Or how can even a young child who wanting to play and learn to build and test different types of drones.

[@TimMcKay56]

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[@thalesnemo2841]

This is a power grab by the corporate state which wants to just monetize the airspace for their profits ! Citizens be damned ! The 400 foot altitude has worked well.

[@spindash64]

There lies the rub: I don't think they WANT children in the hobby

[@amaer51]

I am not as optimistic as you are Tim. I don't think a reasonably priced module will be available in the next few months. I don't believe there will be enough FRIAs approved by Sept, I also do not believe in the Tooth Fairy.

[@TimMcKay56]

We'll see! Tim

[@modquad18]

There are many excellent sub-250 gram options which cost considerably less than $200. You may even discover, as I did, that the overall experience is preferable to the heavier birds. Stay safe.

[@gordonmckay4523]

@@modquad18 Good input! Tim

[@JonR35]

So after Sept, can I still fly my dji drones? Or will it not take off unless it has a rid tag on it?

[@TimMcKay56]

I am not a DJI expert. I imagine you can fly it after Sept 16, best to check with the manufacturer. Tim

[@JoshDisher]

Will this apply to 100% analog setups? What if I don't use a GPS or have a cell phone?

[@TimMcKay56]

Yes, to unmanned small aircraft operating in the National Airspace System (i.e. not flying indoors). Tim

[@jdplus3]

Do you think the remote modules will be movable from registered plane to plane? I.E. binding it to a different plane’s ID by cellphone? So you can just buy one module?

[@TimMcKay56]

For recreational modelers you need just one module that can be swapped between aircraft. The module will be matched to your drone registration number. Recreational flyers have just one registration number. Part 107 have a registration for each drone used commercially. Tim

[@jdplus3]

@@TimMcKay56 thank you. Also, will we be able to review our flight data? So that we might learn if we were observing a 400 foot ceiling or not for example?

[@gordonmckay4523]

Will likely depend on the module. As an aside, telemetry can provide a lot of the info you are looking for. Tim

[@jdplus3]

@@gordonmckay4523of course but if I can get some interesting data from this remote ID unit, at least it wouldn’t hurt so bad to have to buy it

[@pappaflammyboi5799]

The FAA, like many other alphabet soup "regulators", are not operating under the purview of the constitution because no such articles exist. Additionally, the legislative branch cannot legally defer law creation to anyone but themselves. That puts them in contradiction to their responsibility, thus violating the oath they took. Notwithstanding, the individual states can address these airspace issues and scenarios, should they want to. That's where these responsibilities lie.

[@TimMcKay56]

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[@KevintheTerrible]

I agree. Too many people ignore the 10th amendment and it is very important.

[@robgoffroad]

Like so many, my issue is how easy it is for "regular people" to figure out who is flying the drone and where they are. It's a personal safety issue.

[@TimMcKay56]

We'll see! Tim

[@Yogenh]

Now if a club has a frea can the stop some one that is not a member of the club from flying there????

[@TimMcKay56]

Up to the club’s rules. Tim

[@rickm1283]

Great Imfo, thank you for taking the time to explain remote ID and the FAA's approach.

[@TimMcKay56]

Glad it was helpful!

[@buddyadkins2432]

Tim, it really is NOT new that the FAA have been regulating drones (which includes Model Aircraft Drones) since 2016 (I believe), check this if you want. Even though Model Aircraft hobbyists may not consider their craft to be drones, but they are and always have been. A drone being any aircraft without an onboard pilot that is being controlled remotely.

[@TimMcKay56]

Buddy: I take your point and you are correct. I think it was around 2015 that the FAA first mandated drone registration. But there was no Part 107, recreational vs. commercial, any sort of TRUST test, etc. Things getting a lot more focused now. Tim

[@photony]

The problem with Remote ID, and this is a BIG problem, is that the way it is being implemented is that it's going to put pilots in danger by revealing their location to EVERYONE, not just FAA and law enforcement. This means anyone who dislikes or distrusts drone flights can confront and perhaps attack a pilot.

[@TimMcKay56]

Tony: I hear this all the time. Is it correct? No one really knows. RC airplane pilots have been flying in this manner since the 1950s . . . anyone can "see" and hear the RC plane flying and quickly find our location. Minimal, if any attacks. Tim

[@photony]

@@TimMcKay56 true enough, in my personal experience, but I have heard from other pilot friends that they’ve had encounters.

[@patrickkelly9721]

Sounds like a politician or 2 were approached by remote ID module manufacturers and are now shareholders.

[@TimMcKay56]

Wow!!

[@Razor-gx2dq]

Might be useful to figure out who

[@johnnywong83]

Is there a PDF on the FAA regulations on local and state regulations?

[@TimMcKay56]

Try a Google search.

[@robertvanvugt3371]

So, would I need one RID module per plane or can I swap the module to current plane being flown and why would I need one per plane when the registration number could be assigned to the operator and used on any plane he might be flying at the time??? (who fly's more than one plane at a time???). With most having several planes and 100.00 per module this can get ridiculous very fast. What do these RID modules weigh including battery???? Smaller RC planes do not have room for the modules I have seen and can not handle the added weight in many situations. A 2lb RC airplane has barely enough room inside for the rcvr, servo's, battery and gas tank.......

[@TimMcKay56]

Robert: For recreational flyers, one RID module all you need, can be swapped between aircraft. Spektrum’s SkyID module when it comes out will likely set a baseline. Tim

[@briancasey7693]

No remote ID, no enforcement, they don’t know who you are. I just review a sectional to verify I’m not in controlled airspace, Class E. P.S. no ADS-B out either, it’s no business of the Government where I Fly

[@TimMcKay56]

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[@billflynn6903]

As Bruce said - get this information out. Every semi-official representative of model aircraft flying Bent OVER and Took IT. My HOBBY should Not be Regulated by the Government. Government should SHOW CAUSE for this action. NEVER ONCE has this been an issue. Even Australia realized this was not an issue.

[@TimMcKay56]

Bill: The trigger for this was the consistent increase over time of drones flying in Class B, C and D airspace. This is a VERY serious issue for air safety, pretty much forced Congress into taking action. Tim

[@joelzwerk4162]

Tim, thanks for the informative video. I have mixed feelings about this situation. I kinda doubt that the FAA will have much done in the way of FRIAs by Sept. 16. I don't think they have the staff to do all this. I'd think it would be up to the individual as to whether to follow rid rules or not. My opinion there. But what really kinda ticks me off is that you can build your own light aircraft in your garage, get in the contraption, go out and fly it, crash it, or whatever, and you don't have to do a darn thing with the FAA. No test, no registration, nothing as far as I know. There are a couple fellas in our RC club that wonder about this as well. Just a comment, and thanks again for the videos.

[@TimMcKay56]

Joel: Good thoughts, thanks for checking in! Tim

[@1asdfasdfasdf]

I've got to think that receivers will start showing up at hobby stores with remote ID built in. Maybe there might be a firmware update for my Spectrum (Avian) receivers for it perhaps? Wishful thinking I'm sure ;-)

[@TimMcKay56]

That is precisely what I think will happen, remote ID will be built into new receivers. Tim

[@sublimemuse3951]

Extraordinary presentation. Thank you so much for your precision of thought.

[@TimMcKay56]

SM: Glad it was helpful! Tim

[@kencochrane8795]

Hi Tim. I am concerned about RID for recreational drone pilots flying older birds. Also remember the the airspace we are permitted to use is pretty small, from a practical view, class G below 400’. The FAA included older drones in the regulation, under the assumption that a RID module would be under $50. This assumption is preposterous at this time. Not only are modules starting at $100, but they require add on power supplies and antennas and in most cases professional installation. Further they are awkward and heavy for smaller birds. I do accept that drone operations need reasonable regulation. Especially in areas of flying over people, congested areas, and other safety considerations. However, many recreational drone pilots fly in remote areas in that legal airspace below 400’. Its time for the FAA to back off on the RID for existing recreational drones or UAV until such time as a tiny, clip on module is available at a reasonable price. On a different aspect, I also feel that the National Parks should allow drone flights in remote areas of national parks. We drone pilots pay just as much for these parks through our taxes as everyone else and reasonable accommodation shoukd be made for us. That does not mean that we should be flying in crowded or populated areas in the parks. There are plenty of remote areas that should be drone allowed space. BTW, I am a long time PP and recent 107. I support reasonable drone regulations but I am fully opposed to government over reach.

[@TimMcKay56]

Ken: I am working on a video for a $30 Remote ID module . . . and weighs 10 grams!! Tim

[@kencochrane8795]

@@TimMcKay56 sounds interesting. I’m a little rusty on the latest from the FAA. I thought remote ID had to include the location of the operator?? Also, I don’t think this RID info should be easily available to the public. License plate info is not public.

[@dustcommander100]

Thank you for the preparation and execution of this video! This is such a complex subject... From the beginning of registration, I was confused by the FAA seemingly grouping everything together and calling them "SUAS", and now I see them using the term "drone". Have they decided to make a distinction? Are manufacturers of r/c airplane and heli equipment not required to integrate RID into their electronics as the "drone" manufacturers have?

[@TimMcKay56]

DC: Great questions. As the work and conversations evolve, the FAA is more and more simply using the term drone, as drones (quadcopters, etc.) are the main concern. Why? They can be purchased and flown right away, but more importantly they all take pictures. So the drone pilots are incentivized to fly in various areas taking imagery. Tim

[@dustcommander100]

@@TimMcKay56 I was unable to find the Spektrum RID module on their website, until I looked under "News releases", "New Products", or a similar tab. I used the "contact us" button to ask about their plans for future RID integration into their receivers, but it was late Friday. I suppose that having telemetry in the rx's is an advantage and a step toward RID integration, if the telemetry function is also Bluetooth. I'm about to watch your video "RC airplane Telemetry for Newbies". I've been out of the hobby for a few years, and had tuned out most of the FAA rules and new developments during that time.

[@gordonmckay4523]

@@dustcommander100 Yes, the SkyID is so new, and still under development, that Spektrum has not even released a picture of the system. Fair enough. Spektrum clearly states that SkyID is not required until Sept 16. My guess is they will let us know when SkyID is ready for prime time! Tim

[@gary-qn7wu]

Does this also apply to rc planes or just to drones

[@TimMcKay56]

Applies to both. FAA calls them “small unmanned aircraft”. Tim

[@joelobryan1212]

the 250 gram limit is eventually gonna go away b/c there are some quite capable UAS right at 240 grams and RID is not required.

[@TimMcKay56]

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[@niklscalemodel]

If Amazon and orthers did not want to control under 400ft with delivery drones would this be as big of a deal?

[@TimMcKay56]

Not sure . . .

[@lamarw7757]

Of course not. F FAA!

[@donadams8345]

I don't think I'll worry much about it with my rubber band powered model airplanes.

[@TimMcKay56]

😊👍🏻 Tim

[@doctorditman]

An excellent reasoned and low-emotion review of this situation. Reading some of the comments below indicates that there seem to be a lot of very unhappy and sad overthinkers out there looking for things to get worked up about. So much anger, suspicion, and lack of any real-world experience of what it means to live in a place without real freedom. We live in a complex society where our interactions affect others. Mr. McKay keep up the good work. Your content and manner of presentation are professional and would seem trustworthy.

[@TimMcKay56]

Thanks for checking in! I try to keep in mind we are working to enjoy a wonderful and fun hobby, flying RC model aircraft. Life is good! Tim

[@JPspinFPV]

Dronetag makes the only off the shelf R.I.D. module that I am aware of at this time. I'm sure there will be several more in the not too distant future.

[@TimMcKay56]

There are around 4 out there (per the AMA), but still way too expensive. Tim

[@SoloRenegade]

a light balsa/tissue RC plane at low altitude will show up in a TFR, if there is even a radar involved (usually there is not), as a bird, or not at all. not all materials give radar returns, especially small objects in ground clutter the mass of birds.

[@TimMcKay56]

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[@kymdarling4080]

I am a drone pilot, I am part 107 certified but that is 'just in case', so far it's just been for fun. I hate the RID thing, I have a DJI purchased 2 years ago (so obviously not compliant), the part about ANYBODY being able to track me (a female living in a rural area) is a little disturbing, and as you said, so far the aftermarket remotes are expensive for someone just flying for fun, that said, I do understand the why of the regulation. Like anything else, the idiots ruin it for everyone else. Drones can be and have been dangerous to people, animals, and property, there is the whole privacy thing (ie spying and harassing people), and of course people intentionally using them for illegal purposes, it was only a matter of time. Plus, every other moving vehicle has to be licensed/registered, and drones really aren't that different, mine can go 45mph and there are lots that go much faster than that and being unmanned (and hard to see a lot of times) could actually make them more dangerous than a 'real' vehicle in the wrong hands. Hopefully there will be a cheaper remote option by Sept, but either way, I will be getting one, I'm sure even $200 will be cheaper than potential fines, and so far I have lived my life without going to jail, so there's that.

[@TimMcKay56]

Thanks for checking in! I do think RID modules will come down in price. I also think this whole tracking fear is a bit overblown. I’ve been flying fixed wing RC for 52 years. Not hard to find my location, no attacks yet. 😊 Tim

[@jackguinn8462]

Lol!!!

[@jackguinn8462]

Laughing bout the "strange woman in the woods"

[@johns7734]

There appear to only be about two companies that are offering remote ID modules to add to a drone without remote ID. They named their low-end module the "BS" for those who think that the remote ID rules are total "BS". I love a company with a sense of humor.

[@TimMcKay56]

Humor is a good thing. I d believe the affordable remote ID issue will work itself out. Tim

[@deccma]

Here is my comment on this matter. To the average drone flyer who is recreational it becomes almost an overwhelming task to determine if they can fly in any given area. It might be that the FAA has classified an area as general, but the town or state has restrictions on flying in that area. This requires the pilot to do a lot of research before they fly and even then they might not find some restrictions in the area they are using for takeoff/landing. There are applications that tell the pilot what the FAA has classified as acceptable for drone flying, but there is no application that tells the pilot if an area is ok to use for take off and landing. So why doesn't the Faa , state , and local communities get together to create an application that includes all of the restrictions in a given area. It would be clean, clear, and concise as a guide for the user to quicky determine if an area is ok to fly in.

[@TimMcKay56]

There are apps that can help such as B4UFly. Also there is very little controlled airspace below 500 feet if you stay outside a 5 mile radius from towered airports. Tim

[@Richard-C]

thanks for all the information 👍👍

[@TimMcKay56]

😊👍🏻 Tim

[@eternalillusion]

First RemoteID video I see come up that doesn't have an outright fear-mongering title. Had to leave comment and like just for that. But also to say Sowing despair only plays into preliminary defeat. People should of course be aware of all aspects of this, but at points when little counteraction is possible, least we can do is not spread our cheeks ahead of time and keep our wits. Great balanced video!

[@TimMcKay56]

Thanks! A lot o f hyperventilating going on. I think RID will, eventually, work out OK. Tim

[@Litriem]

Your perspective comes from a model aircraft background. Your perspective does not take into consideration a very light weight drone where a remote ID would make it too heavy and/or the power consumed from remotely the ID would nullify the available power to fly such a small device.

[@TimMcKay56]

We’ll see. Some of the DJI RID upgrade is simply a firmware update. Tim

[@jackguinn8462]

I'm just an old dude (71yrs. old) recently retired trucker that was looking for a way to kill boredom of having nothing to do. NOW THIS CRAP HAPPENS!

[@TimMcKay56]

Jack: 67 years old here. Remote ID is s non-event. Just a bunch of KZbinrs getting spun up over nothing. Join an AMA club, meet some fun fellow pilots, no need for RID in a FRIA, enjoy life! Tim

[@jackguinn8462]

Keepn my fingers crossed!

[@jackguinn8462]

Have had a mini2 for nearly 3yrs.,249grams which they say(so far)is that no RID required. I cannot find any info as to whether it even has an RID already installed. Maybe you could shed a little light on that subject. Would greatly appreciate it.

[@TimMcKay56]

@@jackguinn8462 RID very new technology. I am not aware of a single fixed wing RC plane with Standard RID (installed in the factory). And as you point out with a weight below 250 grams, No registration of RID required. Tim

[@jackguinn8462]

@@TimMcKay56 I have Dji mini 2 quad not a fixed wing plane. Sorry if I got you confused. Thank anyway.

[@dr.gudmundssonaircraftdesign]

Very helpful discussion. Thank you!

[@TimMcKay56]

Glad it was helpful! Tim

[@jerseydronerschannel4328]

Right off the bat you are wrong. The FAA and municipalities more often are coming up with a solution to a problem that DOES NOT EXIST then creating rules because of “drones where they aren’t supposed to be” the Faa’s motives for regulations is more often to benefit entities who will benefit financially then because of safety. The only thing people often do that they should not is fly over people, but even that is not as dangerous as the FAA would like people to believe. People get upset about because they think they are being looked at, not because of safety.

[@TimMcKay56]

Do Google "FAA UAS sightings" and you'll see the database. 32 unauthorized drone flights (to include a sighting by an A380) of drones in Class B, C and D airspace. This is just an accident waiting to happen, we have been very lucky to date. Tim

[@donald1meyer]

You mentioned DUI. DUI is a criminal offense, not civil but accidental damages are. Right now the ATF is being attached for putting regulations on firearms without a vote and going thru Congress. Do you think the same is going to eventually effect the FAA?

[@TimMcKay56]

I was just making the point flying, like driving, is a privilege and not a right. Tim

[@Razor-gx2dq]

Yes

[@shadowofchaos8932]

Sub 400ft airspace is impossible to regulate.

[@TimMcKay56]

👍🏻

[@jroar123]

The real problem is that keeping your model under 250 grams will be out of compliance with the new equipment means that you have to get Part 107. That means paying $175 dollars every 2 years. So if I fly my large kites which are heavier than 250 grams, I have to have a device attached? Hold on, my kites are tethered by wire and or string. It shouldn't apply but it's an interesting question.

[@TimMcKay56]

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[@SOLARFPV]

Great topic 👍 we need to do something about it.

[@TimMcKay56]

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[@kevinroberts781]

Let me put it this way. If I'm following regulations it's not on purpose. I will absolutely not be using RID. Just not going to happen.

[@TimMcKay56]

Copy.

[@SW-Video]

I think the date will be pushed to Jan. 1, 2024 and then there will be a grace period but any dangerous infractions will be addressed. The key word is 'dangerous' since the FAA's primary function is safety.

[@TimMcKay56]

Could well be! Tim

[@jaysonrees738]

If they can't bring themselves to write sane rules, they can't expect us to follow them.

[@TimMcKay56]

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[@alldaye2]

Thanks

[@TimMcKay56]

😊👍🏻 Tim

[@winder6]

I have a few friends that wanted to get a drone for the first time and didn't want to spend too much money. They saw these cheap drones that are less than $100.00 dollars. Every one of these drones did a flyaway never to be seen again.

[@TimMcKay56]

Copy! Tim

[@jamesbottger5894]

My problem with these regulations is two fold; the FAA considers RC airplanes, and RC helicopters the same as drones. Many drones can automatically fly themselves, which is why they are able to fly such long distances from their pilots, and at such high altitudes. There are no self-flying airplanes or helicopters that I'm aware of, which means they're typically flown within sight of the pilot. The vast majority of these planes and helicopters are flown at AMA registered flying club sights, which are not located in restricted air spaces. My other problem with these regs is the fact that the FAA website is very much user unfriendly. I just had to renew my UAS permit, and finding which part of the site I had to go to in order to accomplish this was a nightmare. I don't know who sets up these gov websites, but they need to find a new job...

[@TimMcKay56]

Good points, this is an evolving discussion. Tim

[@bwmcelya]

Hi Tim. Thanks for your update. Always a pleasure hearing from an experienced pilot, of everything. I’ll happily comply with RID when it makes sense for me personally. I suppose each pilot will have their own schedule. I’ve a few decision points. Cost, FAA implementation, and privacy. When those things make sense to me, I’ll jump onboard and go RID for my drone fleet. Enjoy the friendly skies. 5253 Whiskey - Out.

[@TimMcKay56]

BWM: Great points and observations, thanks for checking in! Tim

[@thomasmaughan4798]

"I’ll happily comply with RID when it makes sense for me personally." I like your attitude! I also obey laws that make sense for me personally.

[@adwenb]

According to FAA’s latest video it sure sounds like the RID info is going to be archived somewhere. Who is going to pay for that. Bad enough current devices are $200. Still curious as to why ultra-lights and paraglides are not controlled as well. Have seen video of paraglides at 15,000 AGL no safety rules at all.

[@TimMcKay56]

The FAA, for better or worse, makes a distinction between aircraft with a pilot on board and unmanned aircraft, as pilots can see and avoid. Not perfect, but that is their approach. For example, when flying under Instrument Flight Rules, IFR traffic have safe separation only from other IRF traffic or visual traffic talking to a controller. Tim

[@modquad18]

Appreciate this sir - so nice to hear a voice of reason on the subject!

[@TimMcKay56]

My pleasure!

[@felixruiz2838]

What is the fine??

[@TimMcKay56]

Depends on the charge. Tim

[@patrickkelly9721]

$200... Like a NFA tax stamp.

[@TimMcKay56]

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[@Razor-gx2dq]

Yep...

[@tombusby2333]

So the airspace is anything above the ground...wowsers i better not stand on my deck...i am above the ground...i am standing in the air-space...what a joke

[@TimMcKay56]

Yup.

[@Coops777]

Thanks Tim. Your videos are always very well researched and presented! I'm from Australia, and, no doubt, remote ID will come here at some point. As a recreational full size pilot, commercial drone pilot and recreational RC model aircraft and drone pilot, I have a lot to lose for non compliance. If I do fly my models non RID compliant at some stage, I won't be advertising the fact and choosing the location and time very carefully! There is much to learn about safety and compliance of regulations when you fly full size as you say. I do think model enthusiasts should lobby the FAA for temporary (eg Flite Fest) and private land FRIAS with assurances that NOTAMs and regulations will be observed. Obviously, this would be a difficult process involving consideration of safety criteria, so applications would be handled slowly. One of the safest hobbies in the world with a distinguished reputation throughout its history, deserves some recognition for the sake of the future of aviation.

[@TimMcKay56]

David: Great thoughts, thanks for sharing from Down Under! Tim

[@vincentmartin2528]

1. I don't fly drones, just mostly gliders. 2. Makes sense for drones ONLY. 3. I wouldn't comply anyway...."I'm a rebel Dotty!". 4. Just more BS government knee jerk reactions to "____ blank line". 5. Yet another reason I'm so glad I was able to escape the U.S!! ROME IS BURNING! Good luck to all the pilots there...Big Brother is watching!

[@TimMcKay56]

Scary stuff! Tim

[@matthewallen3375]

The 60 day review and comment period has been expertly skirted Tim. As rules approval differs to CBOs in the future. All the FAA need to do effect rules change they like, they just put the CBO previleges on the line unless the CBO complies. No comments, 60 day period, no hassle for the FAA. The FAA just needs to pull a transport Canada - All flight privileges revoked. That said, I appreciate the video and you spreading the knowledge in a complete way. I would like to know your opinion on the matter

[@TimMcKay56]

My opinion in pretty much the video. Regulations are needed for any dangerous, complex activity. Airline flights, medicine, etc. Just the way things are in the 21st century. Tim

[@fatdaddy-viii-8672]

Well, having been a commercial pilot since 1990, here's my 2 cents worth. I've been in and out of general aviation since 1989 when I got my private pilot cert. I have around 660hrs in SEL acft. I am an IFR rated pilot and I was a CFI having taught about a dozen pilots. I currently hold a Part 107 cert for the occasional drone job. I'd like to believe the FAA will be successful in the drone remote ID business. However, I think they will fail in rather spectacular fashion. 1st off, has anyone tried lately to contact a FSDO office lately? I have, and had very little luck getting anyone to return my inquiries. This is still due to working from home for Covid IN 2023! JEEZ! GET BACK IN THE OFFICE! 2nd point is the shear number of drones being sold. There will be so many new remote ID drones that the FAA will be overwhelmed! If the FAA thinks they have a problem, now just wait until Sep 16th. Then they'll learn what real problems are!

[@TimMcKay56]

FD: Thanks for checking in, and I essentially agree with all your main points. I will do a video on this, but there is a substantial amount of work (this one signed out by Steve Dickson in 2022) on a master plan for integrating drones into the National Airspace System. The key issue seems to be that unmanned aircraft cannot comply with "see and avoid," so what does one do? As the FAA feels that the overall "drone industry" is here to stay and will only grow larger, steps must be taken to implement a framework for these suckers to fly safety with manned aircraft. Remote ID is the first step. My guess is the FAA is fully aware that most RC pilots will not comply. However, within three years of so, as the older drones age out and new ones are purchased, and subtracting the RC pilots flying in FRIAs, and lot of drone pilots will be RID compliant. Whether they know this or not. Tim

[@fatdaddy-viii-8672]

@@TimMcKay56 I'm sure u remember when everyone was going have to have a transponder on their GA acft? It was gonna make EVERYONE safe. So wat did the FAA do @ Oshkosh that year? They issued a TFR stating they would NOT be required due to what? SAFETY! If the federal government is involved look out!😂

[@gordonmckay4523]

@@fatdaddy-viii-8672 Yeah, as I said, with these major changes exceptions and allowances will be made. An interesting few years ahead, but RID is here to stay in some form. Tim

[@fatdaddy-viii-8672]

@@gordonmckay4523 yup the FAA NEVER goes backwards!🤣🤣🤣

[@buddyadkins2432]

The FAA does allow a category 1, sub 250 gram, drone to be flown over people if it is fitted with prop guards. Yeah, that might be a bit challenging for Model Aircraft.

[@TimMcKay56]

Copy! Tim

[@Razor-gx2dq]

Damn, might as well arrest all of us then

[@charlesmyers9765]

The lowest FAA recommended safe altitude for full size aircraft is 500ft. Even a very large model will be hard to see at that distance. At most RID should only be required for models giant scale or models using POV equipment. For everyone else its an unnecessary burden.

[@TimMcKay56]

Thanks for your input!

[@MrDanoman812]

I'm not either. I've been flying for nearly 50 years now. Because i used some basic common sense in what and how i fly, it doesn't apply to my style of flying. basic rules, no problem. You know, try to stay under 400 feet, no buzzing the tower at any airport and never fly with full scale aircraft in your area. It's not hard to do. This is about control and nothing else, period. Most of us know this and have seen 'them' yanking all of our rights away as they so choose and usually by unelected people which within itself is totally conflicting to our Constitutional rights here in America.

[@TimMcKay56]

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[@edcbabc]

That definition from the FAA as to what a pilot is could also be taken to apply to someone hitting a golf ball. I fly FPV and I play golf. In my case, my golf balls flye higher, further and faster than my drone flights.

[@TimMcKay56]

Pilots, by definition, can control their aircraft during flight. Not the case with a golf ball. Tim

[@edcbabc]

​@@TimMcKay56doesn't make any difference to their definition. I can control where my golf ball goes, too.

[@kitingkev]

I am confused by what you say when you say the only people can regulate the airspace is the FAA but you say the local police can go after a rogue drone pilot. What is a rogue drone pilot? You also said that about flying over property? Every thing is property below. Please explain yourself

[@TimMcKay56]

Congress directed that the FAA sole authority for regulation of air traffic operations in the US. So, for example, New York City cannot direct that JFK Airport close at 10 pm for noise abatement reasons. Just the FAA. The way laws work in the US is local (State and town) governments work property rights. Let’s say a neighbor builds a ten foot fence around their back yard for privacy. If you climb a ladder to view them sunbathing, cops will be called for invasion of privacy. Same thing will happen if you fly a drone to view them. The drone flight is legal, activity is not. Tim

[@TenMinuteTrips]

Thank you for clearly explaining the upcoming remote ID regulations. I just bought a drone and as much as it pains me, I cannot legally fly it in my own backyard. Why? Because I live exactly 1.1 miles from the control tower in Class D airspace and just about that close to Class C that goes from the surface to the base of overlying Class B. Thankfully, there’s a park in the hills nearby that’s just outside of “the Delta.” I just hate to have to get in my car to practice hovering no higher than the roof of my one-story house.

[@TimMcKay56]

TMT: It's worth at least writing a letter to the tower controller asking if you can fly in your back yard, say at an altitude of below 50 feet. It may well be approved. Tim

[@ronjoseph7973]

Unfortunately, all drones manufactured after December 31, 2022 must be equipped with standard ID. RID is necessary for BVLOS and UTM as part of the advanced air mobility and operations under 400’ initiative. BVLOS will be possible through LTE cellular services which will require a networked system which will automatically exclude broadcast ID systems. Like it or not, commercialization of airspace below 400’ which will include traditional quad, hex, and octocopters as well as manned and autonomous eVTOLS is an inevitability.

[@TimMcKay56]

Could well be! Tim

[@sizzelot]

Are they going to be requiring remote ID on birds too?

[@TimMcKay56]

Birds, free flight and control line, no RID for now. Tim

[@sizzelot]

@@TimMcKay56 hmmm....interesting. I think birds have had more of a history of colliding with aircraft and causing crashes than drones haven"t they? Makes me wonder what the real purpose of RID is.

[@gordonmckay4523]

@@sizzelot Birds are still a huge problem for aviation safety. Just ask Cape Sullenberger and his landing on the Hudson River. The main purpose of RID is to try and get the location of the pilot flying a drone that is violation some reg, like a temporary flight restriction. Think of this: A drone is flying over the Super Bowl taking video. 80,000 people in the stands, and the drone crashes and injures someone. Right now it is about impossible to locate that pilot. Tim

[@Razor-gx2dq]

Birds aren't real anyway (This is a joke)

[@markwyman2912]

If you flying on your own property and stay under 400 feet, regs should not apply except for basic safety considerations. Look up airspace laws above personal property.

[@TimMcKay56]

We may get there someday. But for now RID will be required after Sept 16. There is no exception for private property outside a FRIA. Tim

[@mrlintonious]

If they feel that they have to enforce it, then they need to just set the limit to 1Kg, and we fly and stay below 400m, and then no Remote ID, above 1Kg, perhaps yes, as those are quite large?

[@TimMcKay56]

1 kg might happen . . .

[@connecticutaggie]

Great video! Thanks for a very well thought out, balanced, and informative presentation. One area that I believe is still unsettled law is if who "owns" and can regulate airspace directly above private land and to what altitude.. There are Supreme Court rulings that identify the space above private land is part of the private land up to some altitude that is not well defined. There were two rulings that I recall 1) was a landowner that complained about a pilot that was flying (low) above his land and disturbing his animals 2) I think was a landowner that took action against an aircraft that was above his land in "his airspace" and in both cases the Supreme Court sided with the land owner. Sorry I don't have the specific citations. My point is that there has been discussion that if FAA has the authority to regulate all the airspace then they could authorize drones to fly above people's private land and if so, are there any protections that people have regarding the airspace above their private land and there are people sitting ready to get the Supreme Court to settle this. Certainly this will happen if the FAA authorizes drones to fly above private property (such as for package delivery) without the property owner's explicit permission. Another thing that may be challenged is if the FAA fines someone for flying a drone in the space above their property at a low altitude (below 500 ft). I am pretty sure both sides know this is going to happen and starting in September there will be groups challenging the FAA to settle the issue of "private airspace".

[@TimMcKay56]

Thanks for checking in! I am not a lawyer, but I have a rough idea of where this is headed. The FAA controls traffic movement over the entire US, from the surface to 60,000 feet. This means a local town, city or state cannot regulate air traffic movements. Now, property owners have "airspace rights" over their property. So a developer cannot build a parking garage over your land without your permission (for sure you have seen buildings constructed over highways, same thing). But the building is not air traffic movement. There is negotiation between the FAA and local governments on flight actions. Usually for noise issues. So, for example, in southern California, where noise is a big issue, the city and FAA can agree at airport "X" no flights after 10 pm. But this is an FAA call, not the city. With drones, this will more and more fall to local law enforcement for privacy and noise issues when flying over or near private property. Again, the reason remote ID is coming. Tim

[@connecticutaggie]

@@TimMcKay56 My question is two-fold. If the airspace above a property (to a TBD altitude) is part of that property ("private airspace") then can the FAA regulate that space. Currently that is not the case for land vehicles that stay on the private property. Based on this, could private property owners host events without the FAA's approval or right to regulate them? Also, there is interest in opening up the airspace to remote airborne delivery and the question becomes how high to these vehicles have to fly over private property to stay our of "private airspace" and under what conditions can they enter "private airspace"?

[@gordonmckay4523]

@@connecticutaggie There is no such thing in the US as "private airspace." All of the airspace, from the surface to 60,000 feet, is owned and regulated by the FAA for aircraft movement. Thus private property owners need to comply with any FAA regulations if operating in the National Airspace System, even if over their private property. Tim

[@jellyman1735]

Awesome video!

[@TimMcKay56]

😊👍🏻 Tim

[@mntdshootrdoc1]

The Chevron Deference has now been overturned by the Supreme Court. It will be affecting many regulations that many of these Federal agencies have implemented and enforce. According to the AMA some of these regulations now may be in question and are under legal review. It will be interesting to see how this plays out...

[@TimMcKay56]

Yes, it will be interesting to see how this develops.

[@tombusby2333]

Alot of drones crashing into public spaces....how many...show the numbers... Please back up with data to prove it. Answer this qurstion... How many people have died from a drone or a model aircraft incident or crash?

[@TimMcKay56]

Go to this link: www.faa.gov/uas/resources/public_records/uas_sightings_report

[@spyder000069]

I have 5 acres in the country seperated by cornfields between the nearest neighbor. I fly around/over my property with my diy quads/hexcopters. I also have some RC planes that I fly over the surrounding cornfields. I followed the rules for the trust certificate and my models are marked. I am not following remote id. If they outlaw kites I won't be following that either with my nephews and nieces. If necessary I'll close the gates on my fenced property so that leos would need a warrant to enter.

[@TimMcKay56]

I think the remote ID modules, once they come out, will be quite affordable. We'll see! Tim

[@azzir325]

Beside a few small quadcopters, I have about 100 airplanes from micro to giant scale. Not really sure what they expect from me, but I DO know that I DON'T need big brother watching over me!

[@TimMcKay56]

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[@jacobew2000]

Right now, there is no way to abide by them. There is no remote ID modules readily available. The fact is that most people wont abide by it.

[@TimMcKay56]

Yes, very poor execution on RID modules. I do think the Sept 16 date will be slipped. Tim

[@davidurban362]

Just because congress has authorized the FAA and even because the courts support and uphold the FAA findings doesn’t make it constitutional. This type of regulation was intended (by our forefathers) to be enacted by the states just like drivers licenses. That being said, because the FAA findings are upheld by courts, you have to follow the regulations or pay the consequences. One gray area that still exists from a legal perspective is the airspace above the land that you own. You own that airspace but other aircraft are given a permanent easement to fly through it if they don’t reasonably impact your use of that airspace. What this means for model aircraft flying over your own property needs to be adjudicated in court.

[@TimMcKay56]

Well, one interpretation! Tim

[@Thunder_Dome45]

I'll probably just sell mine. No way am I paying $200 for a remote ID thingy and I only fly maybe 2 times a year. I'm sure the FAA isn't done. Some day if you crash your drone, the NTSB will fly in and have to do a 3 month investigation on it. Next they'll realize you need to have a black box buried in the belly somewhere. Then they'll decide it's not wheel chair compatible. All this is so companies like Amazon can do deliveries and not have to worry some little drone is in their way. If it's not the FAA it's local laws, and there's huge sections of the country that's in classes of airspace, that you can't even take off in. Also I doubt they listen very hard to those comments they ask for.

[@TimMcKay56]

Copy!

[@jeffs7915]

The FAA regulates air, local governments regulate ground take off and landings ,but they need local authorities to police drone air flights, sounds contradictory to me.

[@TimMcKay56]

It is, this is why the situation is unclear and complicated. Tim

[@dronebuzz]

The way we understand it Tim is that the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) does not have the authority to make laws. The FAA is an agency of the United States Department of Transportation and its primary role is to regulate and oversee civil aviation within the United States. The FAA is responsible for setting and enforcing regulations and standards for aircraft operations, air traffic control, pilot licensing, airport safety, and other aspects of aviation. While the FAA has the power to create and enforce regulations, these regulations are not considered laws in the sense of legislation passed by Congress. Instead, they are administrative rules that have the force of law within the aviation industry. The authority to make laws rests with the legislative branch of the federal government, which is the United States Congress. Congress passes laws that govern various aspects of aviation, and the FAA's role is to implement and enforce those laws through its regulatory authority. Would you agree with this synopsis Tim? In advance, thanks a million for your friendly and intelligent insights sir! ;-) Much gratitude, T

[@TimMcKay56]

DB: Very good input, you’ve given this some thought. The FAA cannot write laws, but per the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR . . . do Google “Code of Federal Regulations Wikipedia” for a fascinating look) essentially authorizes certain Executive Agencies to write regulations with the force of law. Examples include the FDA, the Pentagon, border control and of course the FAA. Tim

[@dronebuzz]

@@TimMcKay56 Thank you Tim! ;-) T

[@TimMcKay56]

@@dronebuzz 😊👍🏻 Tim

[@sulphur_fpv]

Couple of points: 1 - September is only 2 months away, dont expect RID modules to get any cheaper, if anything they will become more expensive at first due to supply and demand. 2 - RID modules will eventually become cheaper but they are still way to heavy for a lot of quadcopters and they are not something that can easily be swapped on quadcopters as they will need to be soldered in to them as an attempt to reduce some of the added weight and quadcopters are built with the components contained inside them, not stuffed inside them like on a fixed wing. 3 - many of us fly without GPS under the tree tops within a 300ft radius of ourselves, essentially a sheilded operation so why is it needed? You cannot say because of safety because nobody on earth heas ever died from being hit by a quadcopter. 4 - I have more but i will make this my final point. Congratulations, you fly at a local feild that will be a fria (maybe, if you're lucky because many applications to the FAA has been denied). What about those that live 2 hours away from a feild, do people really have to drive 2 hours to fly something that weighs less than a football. Additionaly many of us quadcopter pilots dont want to fly in open fields, they are boring and there is nothing there, fields are great for fixed wing craft because they need the space, quadcopters dont.

[@TimMcKay56]

Good news: Video out later this week on a $39 remote ID module that weighs 10 grams. Tim