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Lightweight Vs Aero - What’s The Fastest All-Round Bike?

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@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
Which do you prefer: lightweight or aero bikes? Let us know in the comments below! 👇
@gaurangbhangale2832
@gaurangbhangale2832 Жыл бұрын
light weight
@jascollinscork
@jascollinscork Жыл бұрын
I'm a TT/flat rider at best so Aero bike for me BUT I own a BMC Team Machine slr02 and I love it 😁
@thewanderer673
@thewanderer673 Жыл бұрын
AERO for me.... Unirox Aeroad
@XX-su3zp
@XX-su3zp Жыл бұрын
As long as it looks dope
@jaredfontaine2002
@jaredfontaine2002 Жыл бұрын
Like weight bike for the win RIM BRAKES!
@dominicbritt
@dominicbritt Жыл бұрын
So, in conclusion, if you’re not a World Tour Pro get the type of bike that you prefer the ride feel of 👍
@etherealicer
@etherealicer Жыл бұрын
That is why I ride a 18kg-non aero-steel frame 😂
@dan_lazaro
@dan_lazaro Жыл бұрын
@@etherealicer 18kg? Dang my steel framed era as a junior on a 53cm frame(criminally oversized I literally have only 9cm of seatpost out and my handlebar and saddle are almost level) was 9.8kg. It was a Bridgestone Radac (aluminium front triangle so technically not full steel). Now I'm on a Giant TCR and I feel carried in my level of competition by how good my bike is.
@etherealicer
@etherealicer Жыл бұрын
@@dan_lazaro Well, it is a 20 year old tourer, not a racer with all the works. Full sized mud guards, trailer attachment, cargo rack, basket, even a chain guard and a dynamo (always on). Still get around 100km / week and a top speed of around 33km/h out of it... I'm considering buying a gravel bike now (or something in that spirit), though I can't see myself wear lycra. 😁
@cristianguerrero2464
@cristianguerrero2464 Жыл бұрын
​@@etherealicer damn i used yo ride one with the dame weight 😅🤣 , it's a torture
@dan_lazaro
@dan_lazaro Жыл бұрын
@@etherealicer I see. I ride a TCR Advanced now so I revived my vintage scott full rigid mtb and it came in at 11.5kg with a road crankset and a 14-28 block to ride for groceries. I think my lights are worth more than the entire bike but I tune it up and in my opinion the ride quality it has is definitely better than you'd expect from a bike that I'd be hard-pressed to pay 50$ for lol. Edit: I also put 2.35 tires on it instead of the usual 1.95 you find on old mtbs and it is a bit noisy on the road but it looks cooler and handles xc well.
@courtdavidson8965
@courtdavidson8965 Жыл бұрын
Ollie is looking more and more like Dan every day, even down to the posing. At this rate, he’ll have stopped riding altogether by Christmas next year.
@johnnyloco11
@johnnyloco11 Жыл бұрын
prey for hs ankles
@nelisfs2211
@nelisfs2211 Жыл бұрын
It’s hard to call yourself anything like Dan if you were never on the Cervélo test team tbh.
@two-eyedRoy
@two-eyedRoy Жыл бұрын
We'll have to keep an eye out on his "mineral water' intake...
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
Hahaha is he peaking do you think? 😂
@coldforgedcowboy
@coldforgedcowboy Жыл бұрын
@@johnnyloco11 ... "Pray" not "Prey" their is a significant difference their. LOL, that is taking micro aggressions to whole new level.
@2rsbullock
@2rsbullock Жыл бұрын
Having purchased a new bike yesterday I did not consider aero or weight. I was looking for comfort and build. For the last 47 years I've have ridden exclusively steel frames with down tube friction shifters. My old body wasn't liking the harsher ride and limited gearing. So with my new Giant Defy with mechanical Ultegra. I have gotten less weight, more aero, wider gearing, better shifting, and more importantly comfort. I have moved into the modern age. But I still appreciate my steel bikes.
@manitolas
@manitolas Жыл бұрын
Many happy milles 😀🤟
@limonfalan
@limonfalan 9 ай бұрын
@@manitolas and thats a good bike , capable of many things . 35mm tires and you cann go woods. or put some good wheels, and they feel fast. it is the bike i will take to brevets in future .
@johngannon1
@johngannon1 Жыл бұрын
Climbs is the hand my local geography has dealt so I opted for lightweight over aero. Plus there is a bit of a price difference and I was pushing affordability to get an electronic groupset. And a double thumbs up to Ollie and Alex - that was a lovely co-presenting job. A really enjoyable watch.
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
Great to hear you've found a bike that works for your riding! Lightweight bikes are a great all round option 🙌 What bike did you go for?
@johngannon1
@johngannon1 Жыл бұрын
@@gcntech Vitus Vitesse EVO CR eTap AXS Road (Rival) heavily influenced by this GCN video with Sean Kelly 2 years ago kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXmwq6Rsgs5gf9U
@jason200912
@jason200912 Жыл бұрын
People overestimate weightadvantages or throwing away a water bottle. Gearing is what actually provides an advantage. Shaving that 2 pounds of weight is the same as emptying out your pockets before you ride. Won't make a difference whatsoever.
@kirkbeatty6845
@kirkbeatty6845 Жыл бұрын
I’d go Aero, they look so much cooler. Also most of my riding is on flatter terrain, I’ll just have to work a little harder on the climbing which should make me STRONGER! Thanks for your work, you two always do top notch content.
@jason200912
@jason200912 Жыл бұрын
Not just that but lightweight bikes tend to give very poor gains even in climbing because the most important factor in climbing isn't weight.... It's your gearing and sustainable power.
@veganpotterthevegan
@veganpotterthevegan 11 ай бұрын
​@jason200912 having a lightweight bike doesn't hurt your ability to produce power🙃 If you only care about your climbing speed and the climbs you do are very steep, you want that lightweight bike. *Every kind of bike someone uses should have the necessary gear range for the terrain they're riding
@Ian_Laing
@Ian_Laing 28 күн бұрын
Here in south east Texas we have no hills here so I’d definitely go for aero
@flouserfehler
@flouserfehler Жыл бұрын
I love these kinds of comparison videos! Keep 'em coming :)
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@Rocky4719
@Rocky4719 Жыл бұрын
The lightweight bikes of the mid 2010s were my dream to own, but even if the same bikes these days have changed quite a bit (in spec and price…) I’d still choose them because I love climbing!
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
What bike do you have in mind? 👀
@rfladvogado
@rfladvogado Жыл бұрын
Given that the rider’s position makes the biggest aero gains, I wonder if the difference on the test came from a more aggressive position of the rider on the aero bike. I’ve setup a good aero position on my lightweight bike and it’s certainly not slower than my aero bike.
@cyclehavenbanks9851
@cyclehavenbanks9851 Жыл бұрын
Probably ❤
@michadebicki6534
@michadebicki6534 Жыл бұрын
This
@donaldryder5534
@donaldryder5534 Жыл бұрын
I think Ollie perfectly said why, even in the face of evidence, most amateur riders choose light weight. On my group rides, we stay together on the flats and race up the hills. Every hill. The aero advantage is wasted on our group rides. Maybe an aero bike gives a rider slightly more energy for the climbs (less effort on the flat parts), but given the differences in your climbing results, probably not enough to offset the light weight advantages on a climb.
@bonbonflippers4298
@bonbonflippers4298 Жыл бұрын
You are riding with a group, aero has no benefit unless you're always at the front pulling. Group rides rely on drafting so no aero is necessary. Light weight becomes more important in Group rides because you want to keep up with the group to maintain the draft effect on hills. So the best choice for Group rides is the one that you can keep up with on any terrain
@wazirtan6801
@wazirtan6801 Жыл бұрын
@@bonbonflippers4298 yeah truely agreed that is true👍,drafting is the problem experiancing someones body odour 😂
@bluemystic7501
@bluemystic7501 Жыл бұрын
This is a great point. No one is getting dropped on the flats but climbs separate the men from the boys.
@limonfalan
@limonfalan 9 ай бұрын
@@bluemystic7501 "No one is getting dropped on the flats" :)),, ye yeaa, when i stay forward with good legs with aerobike, then i hang everytime people, and tha i like, because riding at the last line ist not the best option for aero benefits, maybe 2. or 3 line. but not the last. thats why so much weaker riders make the mistake and goes at the back. yaa but anyway a lightweight bike cann perform in a groupride better at the end, i see that. but it is a little bbit of the course and routing
@JonReid
@JonReid Жыл бұрын
With all the disclaimers in place, this was still super interesting and informative. One thing you only briefly mentioned is acceleration. For an individual effort like this one, acceleration isn’t a factor, but when adding group dynamics, it becomes a major factor. Getting back up to speed multiple times potentially negates the aero benefits. Chris Miller pointed this out with Plaps victory in the Australian nationals. He won with shallow, lightweight rims as it seems he planned to win from one big acceleration away from the group.
@cebeaupierrot5999
@cebeaupierrot5999 Жыл бұрын
Amazing video ! You should do another one with the third polyvalent bike category like the Tarmac SL7, BMC Teammachine or Pinarello Dogma F. I guess this category should be faster on your course as the specs should be more balanced.
@huntos83
@huntos83 Жыл бұрын
I think an important consideration is that in both friendly group rides and road races, the big efforts and attacks tend to be on the hills, even in a race situation alot of the riding on the flats it’s relatively steady state and not too challenging to keep pace. In this regard the balance of what bike is faster over a course could swing the other way, even a fairly flat course with a couple of steep kickers could favour a lightweight bike if that is where the attacks happen.
@JackMott
@JackMott 11 ай бұрын
Those big attacks on the hills will be faster with the aero bike.
@JackMott
@JackMott 11 ай бұрын
like do the math guys, look up how much heavier the bike is, look at the CdA difference, run it through a calculator. Don't need quantum mechanics to work it out
@clb4947
@clb4947 10 ай бұрын
@@JackMottstill new to cycling: What's CdA? And how does it make attacks on climb more performant for aero bikes? just curious
@JackMott
@JackMott 10 ай бұрын
@@clb4947strong cyclists are going fast enough on climbs that wind resistance is still significant, and aero bikes are only a couple hundred grams heavier. thats out of like 70,000gram system weight so it isn’t very significant. People tend to think of this tradeoff as if aero bikes were 5kg heavier or as if air doesn’t exist on hills.
@JackMott
@JackMott 10 ай бұрын
@@clb4947CdA is coefficient of drag times frontal area, using that and a given speed you can compute drag force, or compute how fast a cyclist will hold at a given power.
@tomheenan5806
@tomheenan5806 Жыл бұрын
I love these vids, great work. Please do one looking at the effect of weight on a flat course where speed changes are common. We spend more time accelerating on bikes than maybe we think, speed is always changing.
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
Sounds like one we can do here at Uk Mega base! 🙌
@letsif
@letsif 8 ай бұрын
Makes sense
@ridealoha2717
@ridealoha2717 Жыл бұрын
Have 1 of each and love them both! The joy outweighs the differences.
@Carlostry
@Carlostry Жыл бұрын
lol
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
One of each! Wow, very lucky 🙌 What if you had to choose one?
@ridealoha2717
@ridealoha2717 Жыл бұрын
@@gcntechI couldn't which is why I have two lol. I started with my lightweight bike for riding the mountains of Colorado. Now have the aero for riding with the trade winds in Hawai'i. Yes, I am VERY lucky indeed! ⛰🏝😀
@ridealoha2717
@ridealoha2717 Жыл бұрын
@@gcntech I did the same test as you did for a particular ride (flat, climb, undulating) and my lightweight bike was faster with flats than my aero bike with clipless pedals.42k 1:47:40 on flats vs 1:55:41 on aero clipless. My cranksets are different though Semi-compact vs compact. Is there a video there comparing the times of the various cranksets? Standard, Semi, and Compact chainsets?
@Stewensson83
@Stewensson83 Жыл бұрын
It is very nice to have a lightweight bike in the black forrest here in Germany. I am with Ollie, climbs are more challanging than fast flat outs. Nice vid again folks, keep up the good work! :)
@niceracleous9999
@niceracleous9999 Жыл бұрын
Aero v lightweight, just have both! Go rim brake, i have and f10 that weighs 6.7kg with bottle cages and power meter included.
@niceracleous9999
@niceracleous9999 6 ай бұрын
Pinarello f10
@chrisridesbicycles
@chrisridesbicycles Жыл бұрын
Combined with what Dan Bigham said about the aero suit being just a little advantage over bibs and jersey, the difference was 99% Ollie‘s aero socks. The differences are completely insignificant for me in a Gran Fondo, it‘s mainly about how much strength work I do and how long I can hold the aero position.
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
Are you a fan on Aero or lightweight bikes? For us mortals there are some big changes to be made in training and prep 🙌
@christosandreev6392
@christosandreev6392 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Here is another good idea for a video: Where are your watts better spent? On climbs or on flats? Go on the same mixed terrain and do tried with the same bike. On one try, try going z2 on the flat and threshold on the climbs and z1 on the descends. On the other try go Z3 throughout the whole course. Try averaging the same watts. This is how we can see where are watts worth spending.
@jeffservaas
@jeffservaas Жыл бұрын
higher efforts on the climbs are proven to pay bigger dividends.
@UncleMike6653
@UncleMike6653 Жыл бұрын
I would love for you to revisit this topic. But I would like you to ride the current bikes as well as past aero bikes and lightweight bikes from 10 years ago as well. It would be very interesting to see how much faster the newer bikes are or are not than bikes that old. So older aero bike vs newer aero bike, same thing as lightweight bikes.
@homerunhomeshow7201
@homerunhomeshow7201 Жыл бұрын
All Arounder / hybrid bike I would say, which is pretty much what I already have. A race-influenced lightweight , DeRosa R838 with aero features and components such as flat aero bars, aero seat post, and fast HED wheels with optimized Specialized tires. You guys have confirmed I have a great and practical machine. So cheers to your video!
@emmabird9745
@emmabird9745 Жыл бұрын
Hi guys, I like the video. The weight difference is 2 bidons then. I think you are right when you point out the comparative difference in weight + rider, and Alex (heavier rider) was noticeably lower power in descent (more gravity assist!). I'm not likely to be buying a next bike, though I've long wanted a titanium bike. What difference does aero make? A story from my own experience then. About 20 years ago, when deep rim wheels were rare and expensive, I had a 1 hour 40 minute (23 mile) commute (no I didn't do it every day) with 2 down hill, 2 up (both steep) and a fair amout of flat. I designed a home made aero wheel based on a article in "aerodynamic drag" by Hoerner which comprise a ring of "corex" plastic (light weight twin wall) about 3 inches (76mm) trapped in the spokes, front wheel only, otherwise exactly the same bike. On two consecutive rides with similar warm still conditons I saved 6 minutes with the aero. Thats 6% faster. I would always choose aero because ny rides are long, have a lot of flat and inevitably into wind.
@appakinggg
@appakinggg Жыл бұрын
Interesting, they say the faster you are going, aero component becomes exponentially more important. By this logic im thinking in a strong headwind on flat, the aero bike might be much more efficient also?
@aw13
@aw13 Жыл бұрын
very useful 👍👍👍...it would be great for next comparison video to find out the time difference in drafting position using same set of bikes and same test location
@randellgribben9772
@randellgribben9772 Жыл бұрын
riding the same watts. and 2 runs in each direction
@scott5088
@scott5088 Жыл бұрын
Were they using the same tyres?
@EdoLanfranchi
@EdoLanfranchi Жыл бұрын
I really like the Ollie final comment: climb is what cycling it's all about! I’ll chose lightweight for the rest of my life, off course if the producer company will improve the aero of this bike I not affecting the weight I'll like it
@generic_cyclist
@generic_cyclist Жыл бұрын
I’d love to know how it changes for an actual event or group ride when holding the wheel is so important meaning every time there is gradient you would need to surge more for the extra kilos to stay on the wheel plus the aero effect would be reduced in the draft. This would even work on the ‘flat’ (rollers) like was seen in the pro +\- 20 kg video from awhile ago. Maybe it comes out in the wash without the aero but Would love to see a comparison where you maintain speed instead of power (like the pro +\- 20 kg vid) maybe in a group setting too to see the different effort required or how many matches you’d have to burn.
@anthonyward5329
@anthonyward5329 Жыл бұрын
I agree. The question is where does the separation happen on a group ride? Assuming people are of roughly similar ability then the separation nearly always happens on the climbs. You’re not going to drop someone of similar ability on the flat just because you’re on an aero bike and they’re not.
@keithmccarthy8849
@keithmccarthy8849 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Cutting into the detail, the gains on the climb Ollie knocked out are relevant to those with the climbing physique. For the average viewer, the best bike to choose is the one that inspires you to ride more, or that little further.
@chrismoore-keish7476
@chrismoore-keish7476 Жыл бұрын
Thanks again for such a brilliant video. I was debating if I should trade in my Cannondale Caad 10 for an Areo to ride something different under foot. I'm keeping my Caad 10. When I want something different under foot, I'll pull my steel Pinarello Super Record out of the stable. Thanks again for all you do for the biking world.
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
Glad you're enjoying our videos!
@chrisbaum998
@chrisbaum998 Жыл бұрын
0:24 Ollie, When is GCN going to come out with their own pinup calendar with all of the GCN Presenters??? 9:54 - Alex, "Don't eat my snacks out of my storage box." Classic smile by Ollie Great video Alex and Ollie keep them coming!!
@Patrik6606
@Patrik6606 Жыл бұрын
Nice comparison. The comment about Moonbase Alpha reminds me that you could see the the strings holding the ships when they were flying through space 😂. Worthless knowledge but funny anyway 😊. Great show as always 👍
@HirYoshima
@HirYoshima Жыл бұрын
Gotta love Ollies smirk now that he's not the one getting dropped. Also love that you make him out to be kinda like a super hero with the rock n roll!
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
Hahaha he won't let us forget how fit he's become 😂
@donball370
@donball370 Жыл бұрын
Good one Chaps. Lean machine Ollie can enjoy tapas now that "being dropped" has been dropped from the Bridgewood lexicon. Well supported by Alex. Roll on more from GCN Tech
@nikolakostic4710
@nikolakostic4710 Жыл бұрын
Those videos are so helpfull in these winter days, thank you for all of them :) 👍
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
Glad we could help! Hope winter isn't keeping you down! In face Conor and Manon have just shared their top tips in beating winter 👉 kzbin.info/www/bejne/ganGhHp7ps2Gedk
@simonrook5743
@simonrook5743 Жыл бұрын
Great final comment from Ollie, at the end of the day it’s enjoying the ride and for each of us, what gives most enjoyment, is different. Like Ollie I have a perverse pleasure in beasting myself on climbs so lightweight for me. Plus a fund a lighter ‘snappier’ bike more ‘fun’.
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
THIS ☝
@wojciechanzel7319
@wojciechanzel7319 9 ай бұрын
exactly the movie i needed on the day when Im looking for a new bike. Need to show this to wife - "see, i need aero one!". thanks guys! even though im mostly climbing, and theres ton to cut in other places (rider weight, clothes etc)... plus - 1kg difference between bikes is a bidon of water full/empty...
@Millicente
@Millicente Жыл бұрын
People always say you can "feel" a lightweight bike when you ride because of the fast acceleration and the instant reaction when you pound the pedal on a climb. Is there anything equivalent on the aero bike? Like do you feel anything or is it just a case of averaging higher watts without realizing since you're getting more watts per same effort? I ask because for someone who isn't interested in shaving seconds off a little weekend ride or even minutes off a long one, a difference in feel would be something I notice and would enjoy having. There's also the fact that at the budget/mid range, something like the canyon ultimate and aeroad only differ by 400-600g on a complete stock build. I imagine less in just the frame.
@jcbcreatives
@jcbcreatives Жыл бұрын
Ollie is loving the hills wow . Should get a signing from a pro team anytime soon . happy days
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
He sits in GCN megabase everyday just waiting for the contract to arrive at the door!
@MrBensa
@MrBensa Жыл бұрын
I live in the Midwest USA, where hills are quite rare, so I would definitely go with an aero bike to take advantage of the ever-present flats.
@krishnansrinivasan830
@krishnansrinivasan830 Жыл бұрын
I might be wrong...but the weight of the Aero bike also played to it's advantage on the descent :) Nice video :)
@dougmarbourg
@dougmarbourg Жыл бұрын
I have a 2021 Venge pro…Same carbon layup as the Venge S-Works, and well…It looks fantastic! 30 seconds more/less/same than my lightweight Tarmac doesn’t matter when I get goosebumps every time I look at the bike! LOL! Too bad Specialized discontinued that frame…Best looking ever IMO.
@mat_from_ballarat
@mat_from_ballarat Жыл бұрын
With regard to Ollie's point about only noticing the weight penalty of the aero bike when accelerating, this makes me think that the lighter bike is better when racing and responding to regular attacks. But then again, if you're using less power when rolling along on the aero bike, maybe you've got more left in the tank for those attacks. Or to actually initiate one. Something I'm not inclined to do myself.
@geothunder1971
@geothunder1971 11 ай бұрын
I chose the Orbea Orca OMX, aero where it needs to be, and it climbs like a dream. Best of both worlds, can't wait to see Team Lotto/Dstny rocking Orbea next year! Campenaerts is going to love the Orca Aero!
@DDGB08
@DDGB08 Жыл бұрын
This review/video was much appreciated.😀
@Gigadenza
@Gigadenza Жыл бұрын
The reasons why Ollie gained a relative 20 seconds over Alex on the lightweight bike up the ascent - and was almost a minute faster over both the flat and climb segments - was because he averaged 30 watts more throughout each and weighs 10kg less. Curious as to why you didn’t match your watts per kilo? Then if any discrepancy had still existed between your times - relative to each other - we could have been certain it was down to a combination of body shape & riding technique! Regardless, entertaning and informative as always!
@uriskall
@uriskall Жыл бұрын
I find the Aero bikes look really nice. Given that is true... I like the lighter bike.... cost difference is definitely a factor... Aero bikes in general cost more...
@croninnicholas9063
@croninnicholas9063 Жыл бұрын
Don’t forget that some people (like me) would want the aero bike at the weight of the lightweight bike, just to help getting up the climb.
@Sprocketboy1956
@Sprocketboy1956 Жыл бұрын
Enjoyed this video, although of course the heavier bike is always going to be faster downhill, whether aero or not. Although I am a heavier rider (85 kg) and not much of a climber, I would still go with the lightweight bicycle for the responsiveness but there is a lot to be said for comfort for long rides.
@Sportfanaat
@Sportfanaat Жыл бұрын
Good to see the stats posted. Thanks for sharing
@richardstoner866
@richardstoner866 Жыл бұрын
Ollie is quality…✊
@mattrostle
@mattrostle Жыл бұрын
What about a similar comparison on gravel? Does a light bike help more on rough dirt roads with possible steeper sections? Does aero matter as much at slower speeds on dirt roads?
@kennedystuart5685
@kennedystuart5685 Жыл бұрын
Very cool video. Love it. Keep them coming.👍🏻🇨🇦
@janwillemkuilenburg7561
@janwillemkuilenburg7561 Жыл бұрын
Great studio! I advise some acoustic treatment that will bring down the reverberation time (echo).
@wazirtan6801
@wazirtan6801 Жыл бұрын
anyone ride a climbing bike with zero aero frame and ride behind a groups drifting,already beats that aero bikes gain and countless points gains.only best answer is the tt,aniway that aero bike is quite tempting ,thanks for the video
@badhusin
@badhusin Жыл бұрын
I'm in the 50s...and I am not into racing, so I am not into the fast lane. My questions would be - can I ride in those 3 conditions (uphill, flat, and downhill)? Flat and downhill? Definitely can. How fast can I go? I don't really care - if I can make 30, 35 or 40 km/h at my age, I already feel good. Uphill? Now, that is something else. Again, as you grow older, pumping your heart like as though you are in the 30s might not be a good idea. I don't know about watts but I know my heart and I can feel it strain whenever I go uphill. So, if you ask me which one I prefer, then I guess it would be the lightweight ones. I can still ride 'fast' at the flats and downhills and I can ride fairly with ease whenever I face uphill challenge. But this is just me.
@stevenfreeman7798
@stevenfreeman7798 Жыл бұрын
All well and good assuming you are capable of adopting an aero position for extended periods of time. We are not all 25 years old or ex pro cyclists!. To a lot of riders a comfortable riding position is far more beneficial over any meaningful distance.
@barrytantlinger1033
@barrytantlinger1033 Жыл бұрын
This. An aero bike is pretty useless if you're sitting up on the hoods for a couple of hours.
@Trailrunner.
@Trailrunner. Жыл бұрын
thanks for your ideas. Good content at the right moment. 👍 For the long rides over +2 dyas I use the Grizl with 4 Season 700x32. I'm looking for something for the faster rides and duathlon competitions. The shortlist includes the ultimate Cf 7 with Di2with or aeroad cf sl8 with ultegra... budget 4000€
@adaycj
@adaycj Жыл бұрын
Practical testing is always good. It has uncovered many cases where things are more complex than they seem. Wider tires and lower pressures are an example. In this case, anyone who understood a well taught physics course knows that the areo bike is faster on varied terrain. Aero wins on flats, areo wins at speed (including descents). Lightweight only helps climbing, and the savings may be partly canceled by aero and flex (possibly) only giving a partial advantage. The difference of only 0.5 kg is also not a lot. In best bike split I added 4# (1.8kg) to my bike and it added less than 10 minutes to a 100 mile MTB race. I'd say it got it about right. Now if I could only lose 10kg, I'd be more areo and faster on climbs..
@Polar-sq3wt
@Polar-sq3wt Жыл бұрын
The new propel is both aero and lightweight, but not cheap 😉
@tomasf1398
@tomasf1398 Жыл бұрын
Good point about the system weight. Larger blokes like me have only one choice: aero :)
@aanonymuss3603
@aanonymuss3603 Жыл бұрын
I have 1 aero light 7.2kg de Rosa super king 2. Scott addict r3, 6.34kg with cl24 Dura Ace 3. Scott addict newer with some aero & aero wheels I am less tired using the aero bikes, I plan to put aero wheels on the bike… adding Aero influences, & optimised tires makes a positive difference. I would be like Ollie!
@rangersmith4652
@rangersmith4652 Жыл бұрын
Buy a bike that fits you and that you find comfortable. You'll never enjoy spending hours and hours on a very light or a very aerodynamically efficient bike that beats you do death or hurts your physiology. Give me a steel "endurance" frameset and well maintained, non-electronic components every time. The rider is always going to the primary contributor to both weight and wind resistance, and that rider's fitness, developed over those many hours on the bike, is the main contributor to covering distance over time. If you want to go faster on any bike, get a good fit, mind your body position, hydrate, fuel, and do the miles.
@Return_oftheMac
@Return_oftheMac Жыл бұрын
Feels like deja-vu. Another which bike type is best, shortly followed by another which tyre pressure is best, then which tyre width is best....
@fastfire04
@fastfire04 Жыл бұрын
I test rode a 2014 Venge against a Tarmac and the biggest difference was the quality of the ride. The venge felt like a hard piece of wood yes it was stiff and aero but the tarmac was super comfy and light. I chose the tarmac. As I was more comfortable and on long rides that’s all that actually matters in the end.
@andreaspfeffer3294
@andreaspfeffer3294 Жыл бұрын
Ollie is like I’m not going that fast but passes those other dudes like their not even there😂
@thebudgetcyclist4310
@thebudgetcyclist4310 Жыл бұрын
How many times can they make the same video, I’ve seen a title similar to this like 10 times on this channel
@SteveHofsaess
@SteveHofsaess Жыл бұрын
I have a specialize tarmac and a vengue. The vengue looks great, but my tarmac gives me faster times and more comfortable
@eddydruppel3943
@eddydruppel3943 Жыл бұрын
My 2021 Zanatta XCrossweighs in at 6,70kg ‘i’ve put thousands of km ‘s on it and it a great all round bike
@edymarkonthego4096
@edymarkonthego4096 Жыл бұрын
I’ve been waiting this experiment. Now i know which bike for me. Comfort is more important.
@jason200912
@jason200912 Жыл бұрын
Lightweight was 80s popular belief back then The aero objectively always wins unless you have a pure climb with no descents or flats allowed. In which case a gravel bike will probably be even better than a lightweight road (gearing) bike unless you're so buff that road gearing doesn't even become an obstacle at all
@MrTeff999
@MrTeff999 2 ай бұрын
A better test would be to ride together, then compare the average wattages. (You would adjust for the difference in your body weights by carrying additional gels.)
@adamwhitehead3229
@adamwhitehead3229 Жыл бұрын
awesome video, appsolutely had bike envy watching this... get them in that bike volt
@Loganniee
@Loganniee Жыл бұрын
this Video so helpful. Can u compare with Semi aero bike such as Cervelo Soloist Cervelo R5 (Light weight) Cervelo Soloist (Semi aero) Cervelo S5 (Aero)
@Thompson15292
@Thompson15292 Жыл бұрын
Anyone going to mention Ollie's glasses under his helmet strap on the right hand side? School boy.
@hampuspersson7855
@hampuspersson7855 Жыл бұрын
Would have been nice to have this comparison between the Canyon ultimate and aeroad or other models that share the same geometry!
@joekawasaki
@joekawasaki Жыл бұрын
I'm not a super powerful rider but am 200 lbs so I feel like a combination is key! Lightweight & aero is my go to! Being able to tuck in & fly downhill makes lugging myself uphill worthwhile!
@danwarren8010
@danwarren8010 Жыл бұрын
Same event but total watts over the course when one drafts the other. My guess is that weight will come out less. A smart rider drafts when possible. You are right as this represents a TT
@EverythingsFine82
@EverythingsFine82 3 ай бұрын
Aero bikes are faster. When coasting downhill, my wife pulls away from me despite being 40 lbs lighter. The difference is due to a slightly more aero position in her favor, a Cervelo frameset vs. an Emonda ALR, and 40mm carbon rims vs 25mm box aluminum ones. You can buy speed.
@philipplorenz9485
@philipplorenz9485 Жыл бұрын
another great video lads! actually my favourite ride seems to be some kind of Frankenstein-Bike: a pretty light Ridley Fenix SL with some more endurance orientated geometry. A convenient position is with one 0.5mm spacer. Bike is equipped with rimbrakes and 60mm carbon aero wheels. rideready at 7.1kg. light and aero :-)
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
It sounds fast 🚀🚀
@philipplorenz9485
@philipplorenz9485 Жыл бұрын
@@gcntech right. You can't blame the bike;-)
@MrMattie725
@MrMattie725 Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty light and like climbing, so I bought an aero bike! My thinking was that that way, I can follow my friends on the flat and I'll destory them a little less uphill :D Also, I live in Flanders. We don't have hills longer than two minutes.
@JoopLammerts
@JoopLammerts Жыл бұрын
I just purchased a lightweight aero bike. Not that the aero bike is light per se, it's just that my current bike is a 9kg aluminium bike. So it's win win for me!
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
Nice! I bet you're excited to give it a spin
@JoopLammerts
@JoopLammerts Жыл бұрын
@@gcntech I've waited months to be able to actually order the bike so yeah. Can't wait to be fully Oli... euh Aero!
@silviugheorghe7118
@silviugheorghe7118 Жыл бұрын
Get some 60-65mm rims on the aero bike and some 30mm on the light one. That ahold reflect the reality more.
@aldrinclementina4297
@aldrinclementina4297 4 ай бұрын
I have ridden lightweight bikes all the time. I think I will go for a aero bike this time. But seeing there are now lightweight with aero tubing frames available, makes it difficult for me to decide which one. 😂. I want something that's comfortable, climbs easy and is fast on longer rides. I'm used to the comfortable long and easy climb , rides.
@gregfields293
@gregfields293 Жыл бұрын
@GCNTech - Maths worked? Wow! Does this mean an Aero bike is better for Fondos than Endurance bike?!? Would love this test as a Aero vs Endurance!
@robertgray9807
@robertgray9807 Жыл бұрын
Given that when I get dropped it's almost always on climbs, I'd opt for the aero bike and have a solid excuse. That said, I ride a bike that makes me happy because of its ability to perform in all terrains and is especially sharp in twisty descents and cornering, a Pinarello Dogma F 10. In short ride the bike on which you feel the best.
@willross5108
@willross5108 Жыл бұрын
Do the same study wherein you have attacking style riding instead of steady on the flat and steady on the climb, more like a race with repeated accelerations and then slower sections as well.
@stevencrispin3796
@stevencrispin3796 Жыл бұрын
Ok, but if you were running a very high end bike, where the minimum UCI weight limit governed overall weight, an aero bike like the Aeroad CFR with some lighter aero wheels than those it comes standard with - Caden 65’s, for example - versus an Ultimate CF SLX with similar depth wheels - if the weight were the same, it’d be a no brainer, right? Or is there something else that might make an aero bike slower on a climb?
@stulletrudat5196
@stulletrudat5196 10 ай бұрын
our body is like 75% of the aero part - so with the aero bike being driven in the hoods against a lightweight bike being driven in aero position - i dont see how you can compare that?
@swites
@swites Жыл бұрын
Granfondo's are all about bunches. And picking the right one that suits your ability so you don't get dropped halfway through, and lose minutes riding solo. I've ridden the same fondo 16times on a variety of bikes- mtb's with slicks, non-aerobike with box section rims and semi-aero bike and deep section rims. Best time ever was on a 9.5kg mtb with slicks. Has always annoyed me!
@WaffeleisenPrinz
@WaffeleisenPrinz Жыл бұрын
I am a beginner and Zone 2 riding is daily business for me . that's why i love flat sections .
@wspmjw
@wspmjw Жыл бұрын
Having ridden several Gran Fondos, the timed sections tend to be on climbs. Riding at threshold for the uphill would simulate the timed sections of a GF.
@marty9464
@marty9464 Жыл бұрын
I'm curious if the wheels and tires were identical on both bikes..... surely that would affect the results if they weren't! I'm actually working on this same issue currently... I have a 2017 Trek Domane S (my aero) and am building up a 1992 Trek 5200 to be fairly light and clearly not as aero. It'll be interesting to see the difference!
@stevemawer848
@stevemawer848 Жыл бұрын
The wheels would be chosen for the type of bike - aero wheels for the aero bike and lightweight wheels for the lighweight one. They're testing the whole package, not just the frame and groupset..
@ciaranmcmahon3024
@ciaranmcmahon3024 Жыл бұрын
Nice test, were the wheels on both bikes of the same quality, standard ? Feel a deviation here would skew the test results. Also were you both consistent in your position, ie in the drops on flats etc !
@lambo79
@lambo79 Жыл бұрын
That 80s soundtrack..😂🎉 pls do another one, for drafting gains for both bikes!
@ZOB4
@ZOB4 Жыл бұрын
The "Weight penalty" of maybe 1% of the system weight being in any way a deciding factor is questionable at best.
@Ruggine85
@Ruggine85 Жыл бұрын
I have picked as my allrounder an aero bike: S5! 👉 Heavier on climbs = better training
@robbchastain3036
@robbchastain3036 Жыл бұрын
Thanks, GCN, and I never tire of these comparisons, tho' it seems they are pretty much equal. And my decision would be made on looks, I like dropped stays but not the severe ones, so here I would choose the light bike. But color is important, too, and price, of course. And I'm happy for aero fans that they have aero bikes. :)
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
Nothing wrong with thinking about the looks! The most important thing is you are excited to go out riding. Ride the bike that fires you up 🔥
@natillano
@natillano Жыл бұрын
Very great comparison and breakdown. Keep it going 🔥🔥
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Glad you liked it. What kind of bike do you prefer?
@iwanta400ftp8
@iwanta400ftp8 Жыл бұрын
This is the big question for me. I want to buy the Canyon Aeroad CF SLX or the Ultimate SLX depending what is faster. My bw is 64.4 kg and I am more an "Allrounder" or your typical GC Rider. I can sustain 335 Watts for an hour. And my Race calendar includes everything from Flandern (hilly) to the real big Mountain Race with 5000 m of elevation and not to forget big classic races like LBL where Aero Kicks for energie saving during the race. My personal preferences would be the Canyon Aeroad CFR. It is Close to the Ultimate from the weight and it is aero. But funny fact ask me in three days and I say Ultimate. So far i can only afford one bike. What would you do ?
@evandarling699
@evandarling699 Жыл бұрын
I think a big part of the similar times is the aero-ness of today's lightweight bikes. Carbon tech just keeps getting better and a lightweight aero bike is evolving. Great times we live in!
@DanielHernandezBC
@DanielHernandezBC Жыл бұрын
For these tests you guys should weight before each run and make sure to weight the same by drinking water, because depending on each person, temp and effort, you can sweat a lot during these tests, and damage the results.
@rg807
@rg807 Жыл бұрын
A far more interesting test would be to do the same test but running the same aero wheels. I can say from personal experience, that running really light wheels and then switching to Enve 4.5s on the same frame made a MASSIVE difference, the deep dish being much, much faster.
@GCNuser123
@GCNuser123 Жыл бұрын
both bikes had the same wheels and tyres! Shimano DA and pirelli p-zeros
@rg807
@rg807 Жыл бұрын
Same depth? I had to go back and look, because at the beginning I swear the lightweight bike was running shallower DT Swiss wheels.
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