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[@tridoc99]

Blasphemer! How dare you tell me not to listen to Dan Becker! I only buy things because he tells me to. And as soon as he tells me to use something different, I do that too. Now I even have an e-bike because he told me to. It took me 4 months to even watch your video because I was binging at the KZbin altar of Dan Becker. There is only one being above Dan and that is Clapton, because Clapton is god. You ‘re canceled! #DanBecker

[@john_kelley]

This is now a pinned comment! 😂😂😂

[@westleytitan4640]

I know im randomly asking but does anyone know of a way to log back into an Instagram account?? I stupidly forgot the login password. I appreciate any help you can give me!

[@ishaankane8252]

@Westley Titan Instablaster =)

[@labellaescrima1996]

Dan is a weekend backpacker that is out of shape (have a look at some of his video where he runs after his fellow hikers because he is so out of shape) and he is not a true hiker in the real sense of the word, he is a comedian that enjoys going out once in a while!

[@john_kelley]

@@labellaescrima1996 I know Dan personally, and he is very much a backpacker. I’ve hiked with Dan, and he very much is a backpacker and outdoorsman. I’m pretty sure he probably gets out more than you do.

[@BackcountryPilgrim]

Sorry but if you don't carry a big cottage brand personalized ultralight frameless dyneema spork, you're not a REAL backpacker.

[@john_kelley]

Hahahahahaha!

[@SouthernHike]

hahahah

[@lindatisue733]

Nope. Guess I'm an anime character then, maybe Dr. Stone.

[@ASTHECROWFLIESHIKING]

Wait...there is a spork in Dyneema...? I’m getting one...crap...Doug was messing with me...😏🤣

[@AJHart-eg1ys]

Nah. You just won't get to ironically be let into the "hiker trash" club. 🤣

[@teffe3639]

“You don’t need this gear” “Let me tell you how awesome this gear is you don’t need” I spend way to much money on this stuff.....

[@jerrybobteasdale]

Be the pickiest, and most willing to spend, on...shoes. And socks.

[@erickmo1188]

Although I’m a knife guy… like have 10 LTWKs and never use them cause I love a mora for “backpacking”- I agree 110%. Shoes. Socks. Extra socks. Spend the money. It is worth it. Did the MD challenge last year in 16.5 hours. Zero blisters…. Used my knife zero times. Used my shoes every step.

[@Danr07]

If money were no object, what are the best shoes and socks to invest in?

[@erickmo1188]

@@Danr07 for the shoes….that’s really not gonna be something that anyone can answer for you. It’s gonna be about personal preference and what works with your anatomy as well as what your expectations vs use may be. I will recommend darn tough socks though. They’re the best socks for sure.

[@Danr07]

@@erickmo1188 Yeah, shoes are definitely subjective. I guess what I’m asking about is more related to quality and durability rather than preferred fit or comfort. I’ll look into those socks though.

[@erickmo1188]

@@Danr07 got ya, well I can attest to the quality and customer service of both merrells and Salomon. I’ve even had Salomon send replacement shoes when a seam on theirs failed. No if’s ands or butts. They stood by their product. But these are both brands in the low- medium price ranges. If you go up another 50-100 bucks, a lot of other great brands become attainable.

[@andyc1621]

Does not half the gear 'guilt' come from the fact that every youtuber says things like "its ok to use this when starting out" followed by bigging up all the big brands they own! Surely if its ok to start with its always going to be ok!

[@mikeroy6713]

100% all the time!

[@mysterious.hiker.x]

I can basically sum up this video pretty easily: You can use whatever gear you want and don't let the fact you enjoy watching hundreds of gear videos on KZbin make you feel pressured to buy "better gear". Yeah, deep down we all know this but it's our commercialist society that kind of perpetuates this drive to buy more, to buy better, to continue to seek approval through purchasing.

[@chemistryflavored]

Same. I switched out my UL pack for an Osprey. It got to the point where I just wanted to be comfortable when I had to carry more water in dry areas and have a lifetime warranty. I don’t even feel like I’m carrying anything with the Osprey even though the pack itself is 2x the weight of my old pack.

[@gregmortonoutdoors]

Nice CTUG plug!! Paria Outdoor Products. They are probably the best "quality to weight to cost" ratio company around. Their customer service is outstanding and the best part is a lifetime warranty on ALL of their gear. Devin has done several videos on their products. I highly recommend them for starting out backpacking. Uniqlo is a Japanese company that has several products that are outstanding for backpacking. The Ultra Light Down jacket is around 9oz, comes with a stuff sack, and you can get it on sale for $29. I've worn mine with a generic fleece underneath in the low 30s for hours on end. The Airism line is perfect for staying cool and the Heattec base layers come in three different thicknesses. Just remember these are Japanese sizes, so they run small compared to Western sizes. Don't forget to check out pawn shops and thrift stores (Goodwill, Salvation Army, etc). I picked up my brand new Pocket Rocket 2 at a pawn shop for $20.

[@john_kelley]

Great stuff, Greg! Thanks for the info!

[@SouthernHike]

I second this Greg!

[@keithlong6253]

Came here to recommend Paria as well, good call. I bought a tent from them last year and had a few questions. Their customer service was top notch!

[@gregmortonoutdoors]

@@keithlong6253 When you know, you know. Which tent do you have?

[@JustinOutdoors]

The Paria quilt and sleeping pad are top notch!

[@thelifeofjools8384]

It's true what he's saying... if you seek out the real experts in ultralight backpacking, you'll see they often cobble together some really weird but durable bits of often home made kit, that have nothing to do with brands....and are just pure innovation....

[@joeallen2354]

Yeah, you can also cut the top of the bag down and eliminate the need for a long handled spork.

[@diomepa2100]

Go away with your logic. I usually carry a small Swiss army knife, which has scissors, so do exactly that. Saved few mg from that handle for sure

[@Isheian]

I always just rolled it down.

[@alexandreleclerc5976]

To be fair, you have to mix it up initially and it would be impractical to cut it right away. (I'm on your side btw, just playing devil's advocate)

[@justrusty]

I found out that when you set up your Dynema tent in the dark and accidentally put all your weight onto a trekking pole that with the pointy end on your tent floor, it ain't quite so strong. I was bragging to my son that my tent only weighed 24 oz. He replied that it really weighed $600. So yeah, if you're lucky and late in your career and can afford it, it's good, but not essential.

[@thomasmusso1147]

😁

[@AntwonDaBusiness]

Big name brands are soooooo full of themselves. There no point in spending $300 on a jacket that will be destroyed from a single ember from a fire haha.

[@john_kelley]

I’m a clearance guy, myself. That sweatshirt I was wearing in the video, I got for 70% off.

[@gregmortonoutdoors]

Amen. There isn't a jacket out there worth $300 unless it makes you coffee in the morning.

[@john_kelley]

@@gregmortonoutdoors 😂 I’d buy a coffee making jacket! 😂

[@nedanother9382]

wait what!? A) I live in CA...we're not allowed to make fires or have matches 2) Ive had my Ghost whisperer for 5 seasons now without a scratch. I wouldnt say anyones full of themselves (maybe HMG) but they are working a business model. One that is dependent on customer loyalty and word of mouth advertising. They make super light material at the cutting edge of their sport. There is research and development that takes time and money. There is material costs and loss during all of it. Because of the light weight nature and the nature of customers...they have to cope with a lot of returns. Often through no fault of design or manufacture. You just have to make a certain margin to stay in business. Moreover these folks are employing people all over. I hope they pay a decent wage. You in fact dont have to bone out for this or that but a fresh perspective on the industry leaders might be nice. I agree with you generally. I will not pay the "Nike tax" for anything. I will however pay the market rate for high end gear. I went with Zpacks because they were selling better for 600 where others (HMG/BA} were at 1000

[@jbkjbk1999]

I think the most important point is that you should base what gear you upgrade on your actual experiences on the trail, and be careful to sort out those feelings about wanting new gear that come from actual experiences from those feelings that come from seeing cool gear online and getting excited over it. We all do the latter, and sometimes it's good to splurge on cool high-quality stuff, but the most important factor is _what do I actually, really feel a need to change in my gear set-up when I am actually using it_

[@diomepa2100]

Ironically, I could not afford a traditional pack, and was going weekend hiking with a cheap backpack which had almost all the weight on the shoulders. Used to carry about 20-24lb. Then I tried frame-less (I borrowed) and was - meh - felt the same as the old crap I had. Then I got one of those "traditional ones" - and was - oh boy - you barely feel the weight.

[@thomasmusso1147]

Yep .. that's what hips are for .. to carry the load.

[@hugh_ramsey]

So nice to hear someone say this, I know I definitely have felt pressured to buy things in the past because I felt what I had wasn't good enough.

[@john_kelley]

Don't let the pressure get to you. Buy what you need and want. Don't worry about everyone else.

[@deannilvalli6579]

Dyneema is the trade name for PET, what plastic bottles are made of. It is strong, but also has a very low melting point, and is very Susceptible to UV radiation. It breaks down much quicker in direct sunlight than nylon or other synthetics. If you are an experienced climber, you know not to trust an old dyneema sling that has been in the sun for months. So it simply does not last as long, especially for tents and things that are exposed to sunlight. Basically, they have great marketing that make people think it is more wonderful than it is. Titanium..... light and strong, but has much lower conductivity than steel or aluminium. That means if you are using it to cook, you need substantially more heat (= fuel) than if you used alu or steel, which are marginally heavier. The German Alpine Club tested this and found titanium was not worth it- the added weight of fuel needed far overweighed the weight saved by using titanium. Companies count on people not understanding physics.

[@allemander]

Biomass users carry no fuel.

[@deannilvalli6579]

@@allemander In that case they're good. Well, they will still need more fuel and time to cook, but if it is abundant I guess that is OK. I guess you mean these are trips in woodland in which you find old wood and make a small fire. So for that I guess it is fine. But if, for example, you are in a rocky or glaciated area, or in winter, and need gas, petrol or alcohol for the stove, titanium is not a good idea.

[@thomasmusso1147]

Interesting, very interesting. Thanks for that. I don't have Titanium Cooking Gear. The eye-watering prices would make it difficult to use with tears streaming down my face.

[@Daniel-yg9sf]

Interesting

[@GojiraNeko]

i paid only 8 bucks for my titanium long handled spoon. i spent 10 or 11 bucks fo r my long handled aluminum spork. my long handled plastic shake spoon from steak n shake was free and weighs about a third of either

[@john_kelley]

It’s amazing how nice those free spoons are.

[@thelazyreconnoiter583]

I’ve been using the same internal frame pack for about 15 years. Assuming the pack gets the same amount of use as it has over the last 15 years, I’ll need a new pack about 15 years from now. I use plastic forks and spoons made by GSI, they’re about a buck a piece and mine are about 5 years old and still going strong.

[@SurvivalistMedia]

My Kelty redwing nylon died in about 10 years, but I put about 3000 miles on her. You must have a real winner, because most synthetic materials do have a shelf life if you use them 3 season. I’d imagine most of the damage was caused by sun. Good on you lasting 15 years, but in my opinion they only last that long indoors.

[@j_roq7112]

I always carry a knife, so am I the only one that cuts down the bag on a Mountain House meal and uses a plastic spoon?

[@john_kelley]

There was someone else who said they do the same thing.

[@frostymedic]

I was thinking this same thing! I no longer use Mountain House or any cook in a bag products. But, I always cut the tops down so I didn't have the food all over the back of my hand. LOL

[@hoser7706]

Yes, yes you are, you clever freak no resealing meal bags! How dare you think things through!? You will kill the long spoon industry! 🤣🤣

[@LexKaiNix]

Saves carrying a bowl!

[@memathews]

But Ultralight uses for a long spoon: tent peg or trowel 😂🤣

[@jonsanford2515]

Your points are all right on, John. I did a lot of backpacking as a teenager, then didn’t do it for decades. Now, my son is old enough to want to get into it, so I’m outfitting myself again. Fortunately, I’m not a complete beginner, but I started from scratch with gear a couple years ago. I tend to be easy on stuff, and I take good care of it, so I keep it forever. Because of that, I tend to do a ton of research, and try to by quality stuff the first time. With everything, not just backpacking gear. There are so many choices in gear now, you have to try some stuff to know what you really want. (Tent or hammock, bag or quilt, 1p or 2p tent, tons of pockets or simple backpack.). And then some of those things have endless variations. I can’t afford to go high end, then keep replacing stuff. But, if you go too low end, while you’re trying stuff out, you might not have a very enjoyable experience. It can be a really difficult getting started if you don’t have someone who will lend you stuff in the beginning.

[@john_kelley]

The trick is to find quality gear that won't break the bank, and allows you to screw it up without feeling super guilty for ruining an expensive piece of gear.

[@jonsanford2515]

Definitely. I’m a master at finding last year’s model, picking the odd color that’s on sale, or waiting for REI sales. Shoes are about the only thing I will pay full price, because sometimes you just need them when you need them. That said, if I like a particular style, I’ll buy a second pair of the same shoe when they hit clearance prices and save them til the first wears out.

[@shabingly]

This is my experience, lots as a kid then just started again last year at 41. It's a minefield. One thing I have realised is the weight of stuff I used to be prepared to carry was absolutely crazy. I bought a single person tent for winter hiking (wife's not interested, Fairweather hiker, fair enough) and it weighs 1.8kg all-in which is ok but not super light. I took a hit on weight because price/features. I think the tent I used to use 25 years ago probably weighed double.

[@danielkutcher5704]

@Jon Sanford: I could not have said it better myself!👍

[@frostriver4547]

It’s gear envy, not gear guilt. My pack weighs what I need it to for the trip I’m taking.

[@john_kelley]

Use what works best for you.

[@diomepa2100]

Yeah, It's pretty much gear shaming from people who have min-maxed for particular trails - usually a well populated ones with easily accessible services and resupply and rescue. There is no progression to "frame-less" because in many trails you just need the carrying capacity for water and food. So if you want something semi-universal - you go with a 40-45l framed pack. When you find yourself in a hike which requires 10 day food supply and 2 day water carry - (and you have multiple stretches of that) - you quickly realize how monumentally bad idea a frame-less pack or ultralight can be in certain situations. Especially if one goes with the idea of "I'm light I can make 300km in just 5 days - then they are stuck barely doing 20 a day - drudging through ankle deep mud whole day. Similarly, there are some places where if you get your sleeping gear wet because your tarp is not good enough - you are stuck with wet gear five days away from civilization.

[@matthewmcintosh4925]

Exactly. If you turned up on my doorstep for a trip first thing I will do is tear through your pack with, leave that its dead weight, you'll never use that, nah you don't want that here it'll kill ya not save ya. And I'll even do things like replacing your freeze dried ultralight meals with cans of soup to your cries of your crazy what are you doing. 2 days water where I live is about 8-10 kg(aprox 20lb) in winter, and 20+kg(close to 50lb) in summer. I guarantee you would all do the same to me all with different results. That's the problem with some of these idiots what do I need a $300 raincoat for when a $1 plastic emergency poncho is more likely to save my life. And yeah a chair is a must for me. I'm to bloody old to be sitting on the ground for long besides to many things to bite or sting you in sensitive areas. See what you prefer plus time away plus location plus ability plus climate plus experience plus challenge equals what works for you. Now let's see if someone can prove us all wrong.

[@gzfelix]

Just want to say, a no name titanium spoon costs 5 bucks on Amazon. Good video though. Like it.

[@blcolon]

Well said. Buy gear to get you out there, see if you like it and then replace later. Eventually you will have enough to cover a friend who might want to get out but can’t afford gear.

[@john_kelley]

I've actually got a buddy who is out on a trip this weekend, and he's using some of my gear. LOL

[@periwinkleblue3416]

Thank you for standing up for luxury items. I was wondering how to use my solar shower secretly, so nobody saw that I brought it with me.

[@Isheian]

Unless your goal is to be as light and fast as possible, your out there to enjoy yourself. What’s wrong with a little luxury?

[@matthewmcintosh4925]

I actually enjoy the hate when I pull out my coffee pot and start brewing. You can see people desperate for a real coffee but are to proud to accept a little luxury can make trip so much better. I raise my hot coffee in solidarity with your hot shower.

[@mattheishman170]

I have 30k + backpacking miles on 4 continents. You are the only vlogger that I've subscribed too. You keep it simple, honest and good advice. I point inexperienced backpackers to your channel. Keep it up.

[@john_kelley]

Thanks so much, Matt!

[@briansterken6269]

I've been watching the black camper youtube his AT thru hike. I think most of his gear is from Costco and it's holding up fine. Having a UL pack is great but if you're just starting or doing under say 10mi trips, use what you've got.

[@chrishanssen1980]

you are a breath of fresh air sir! Decathalon rocks, in the UK its huge.

[@john_kelley]

Thanks! I'm pretty impressed with them

[@chrishanssen1980]

@@john_kelley I had a tent for over a decade from them. There clothes are great and I use the down jackets because for the price they are great.

[@kcricket39]

I feel like outlet stores are a very underappreciated place to get reasonably priced gear for backpacking/hiking. So many big name companies like Columbia (my personal favorite), North Face, Nike, Under Armour, Merrell, and Eddie Bauer (super underrated, btw) have outlet stores where you can get their gear for significantly less than the normal retail price. My favorite fleece from Columbia was $22, and it is basically always in my pack. My boyfriend's three in one Columbia puffy-rain jacket combo was less than $100 and can be worn down to 10 F.

[@seanelkins4530]

I visited an REI store recently and almost laughed out loud at some of the prices for clothing. If I’m going to pay $140 for a fleece sweater then it for darned sure needs to have been made in the USA by an American worker. I feel no guilt about buying the no-name version at 1/4 the price if both were made in the same overseas sweatshops. In fact, I refuse to reward the expensive brands that are selling essentially the same product made in the same outsourced factories.

[@lakorai2]

REI has terrible prices

[@frostymedic]

AMEN to that Sean! Some of my best gear has been bought at thrift stores!

[@lakorai2]

Shop using ActiveJunky and other cash back sites. Buy Moosejaw, Mountain Steals, Backcountry, Steep and Cheap, Campsaver, SunnySports, Backcountrygear etc etc. Noobs shop at REI and MEC mostly. Poor prices and weak sales. Only thing I buy at REI is the garage sales (which you will have no warranty since manufacturers will refuse to warranty garage sale items) and the $2 Kovea butane/propane cartridges.

[@brittneycerritos4515]

Well said Sean!

[@AJHart-eg1ys]

You're a true hero ... and have no idea WTF you're talking about.

[@maryistulsafox]

I like watching a lot of pors and cons videos, so when looking at my Amazon prime, I love reading the reviews @🤔🤗⛺

[@grinch5x04]

Same

[@john_kelley]

lol

[@fearsomefawkes6724]

I tried the DQ spoon but they're really flimsy and bend easily. A McFlurry spoon might work better

[@JaredandTasha]

Try a Menchies spoon

[@newzild1]

Nalgene bottles are heavy, expensive and no better than a 50c plastic water bottle.

[@NewEarthAwakening]

For those wanting to go ultralight, the Aegismax Nano 2 down sleeping bag is solid, compact, and light - $95 with coupons off AliExpress. The mier / lanshan 1 or 2 ultralight tent goes for $100-$135 on Amazon, and is a favorite with AT / PCT through hikers who don’t want to spend hundreds on the zpacks version. There’s always cheaper options, but this is a nice entry point for ultralight gear without spending hundreds per item.

[@john_kelley]

Great options!!!

[@Harveyw1000]

The problem isn't that the gear is expensive. The problem is Not having your priorities in order. The world believes they need to be in debt to get ahead in life. Get yourself out of debt and pay cash for everything. You will be surprised with how much more freedom and buying power you will have. I work construction with a stay at home wife and 4 kids and no debt. It's very easy for me to be on a "budget" and buy a $700 pack, $650 sleeping bag, $250 tent, $200 sleeping pad...etc. it can be done people. I was $65k in debt a few years ago and was stretched thin on payments! I sold all the "stuff" that I thought I needed, work all the overtime I could for 2 years, and paid it off. Write down all your debt on a piece of paper and how much in payments you have. It will shock you. Get out of debt and live on a "budget" and you won't be stressing about a $14 spork. I promise you.

[@john_kelley]

I agree with you 100%, but all my wealthy friends are also the stingiest when it comes to buying gear. That's why they're wealthy.

[@19stoney64]

Just getting started. I don’t have any gear. I’m disabled with serious health problems. I was paralyzed many years ago and fought to get to this place in life where I can take care of myself. If I don’t fight back and move my body then I’m going to be in a wheelchair soon. I’m disabled but out hiking because it’s a dream that have always had and did as a young man. When you’ve experienced what I have you give up on a lot of dreams. I don’t have the means to buy this equipment I’ve watched on videos. I recently picked up a couple of pair of shorts at Costco that are hikers shorts and I feel like a multi-millionaire wearing them. My son bought me some Altra Lone Peak shoes and I have 8 miles on them now. I’m carrying an 8 dollar pack like you would wear to school. I really want to start doing overnights. I have a cheap hammock, like 30 dollars I think. I just absolutely love my life getting to be in the woods. It didn’t look like I was going to have much of a future left and here I am out hiking and smiling while I’m doing it.

[@john_kelley]

That's awesome!!!! Shoot me an email. I might have something for you.

[@BackpackingwithBuckley]

Love Justin Outdoors!! He is such a good role model for Canada nice! The search for awesome budget gear is fun sometimes. #freegear 🤣

[@john_kelley]

Justin is a great guy. I love his channel.

[@BackpackingwithBuckley]

@@john_kelley your actually a role model for nice too! Southern nice right? I consider myself midwest grumpy, with a splash of nice. 🤣

[@john_kelley]

@@BackpackingwithBuckley 😂😂😂 I grew up in northern Ohio and upstate NY. I’ll take it, though.

[@yogalandawellnessyolandati7654]

The spork thing is so bizarre to me. Weird that it’s a decision people fret about lol. I’ve always just used a disposable plastic spoon. Granted, I’ve never been out more than two nights, but I’ve watched a couple entire videos about titanium sporks, spoons vs sporks, combo utensil sets and it’s really gotten out of hand 😂 Great video!!

[@john_kelley]

LOL. Thanks!

[@danjones1608]

re: DCF: abrasion resistance is pretty mediocre. It at least makes theoretical sense for a tent (where you have a lot of fabric to save weight on, and abrasion isn't bad. I don't own one either, though). It's overkill for stuff sacks. It's stupid for packs (in a world where x-pac exists).

[@john_kelley]

Have you checked out EPX200? It's changing the game.

[@techguy9023]

I’m amazed at people dropping $600 on a zpacks duplex. Will it last for a through hike? I get it they are light. Too much for a weekend warrior. I’ll never do a through so I can make it with something less expensive and heavier.

[@john_kelley]

There are a lot of people who use them on thru hikes, and they do well. It’s really just about what that weight is worth to you.

[@GarryNichols]

I love framed packs. The only place I want to carry a frameless pack is in a cave. For caving it's just not practical because half the time you're not wearing the pack, you are pushing it in front of you or dragging it behind you. If it weren't for that I'd carry a framed pack everywhere.

[@john_kelley]

They have their place. For me, I just prefer a frame.

[@madiantin]

Re: sporks. Got a long handled spoon from the walmarts. 40 cents. It's not going to make anyone drool with envy at its good looks and sleek lines...but 40 cents, man. 40 cents. =D

[@john_kelley]

Nice!

[@OtherThanIntendedPurpose]

excelent video. I would like to add one item ( well, more of a category) to what you have said. Knife steel snobbery. so many people on you tube and face book and other sources are going on and on ad nauseum about how if you don't have the latest, most expensive knife steel it will crumble while you use it to spread butter on your toast. I have 1 very expensive knife, with a "super steel" ( it was a gift, by the way) it is an LT Wright Bushcrafter in CPM 3V. and it is outstanding. I will never say it isn't. but it was very expensive, and even that is lower end of the mid-custom range I also have knives by Becker (BK series made by Ka Bar) Tops, Mora, and even a few older Schrade (before their quality dropped) and I would trust my life to most of those equally with my LT Wright. I am 53 years old, when I was a kid 440C was the amazing steel. now people slam it as being the worst trash you can buy. what changed?? they got glammered by the catch phrase "super steel" same with folders. why the heck do people intending on hard working a folder need S30VN for $500 when a well made 440c, or 8CR blade will do the job for under $40? enough on knives... don't get me started on the mithril.. oh, sorry I meant titanium products that the hollyweird hype has made seem like a "forged by the gods" material that is 400% better than any mere mortal materials.

[@john_kelley]

I always come back to the idea that what works best for you is what works best for you. People tend to get caught up in their opinions, myself included, and we forget just how trivial these things are.

[@AdrianSalomo]

This guy is trying to convince us really hard to spending next to nothing on gear from monopolist corporations and Chinese copy cats. I only spend on ethical businesses, and I gladly give them my hard earned money. Research and development costs money. Paying high wages costs money. Supporting one's local and regional economy and society costs money...You cannot demand nor even complain if you're part of the problem.

[@john_kelley]

Wow!!! Watch more of my videos buddy. I’m all about the small, American cottage company. More than half of my gear is from cottage companies. Don’t be that guy.

[@jessidaniels2557]

My backpack is more than 20 years old. Got it at ALDI, very robust, very cheap...

[@john_kelley]

Nice!

[@xeniahaberditz5472]

Decathlon has been around in France for sooooo long. For some of the gear I agree with you, it is worth going there and I do/did it too. BUT most of their gear is aimed towards the "beginner" or "casual" person. Eg I have a great tent that is pitch black so you can sleep so well but it's 3kg. Or my hiking boots are confortable like slippers, but after several hikes the soles get too soft and I could feel every gravel under it. Is it a deal breaker? Not if you are on a budget for some decent gear. For me it just doesn't meet the requirements anymore for some gear.

[@Kiev-in-3-days]

Decathlon is the biggest sport company in the world and they have bigger and better R&D department than any of those "big name" company. Yes they don't make high end products but they have many really great products. Some of those products are just as good as the big name ones for a third of the price.

[@john_kelley]

I’ve been really impressed by what I’ve seen.

[@gregbrown7953]

Walmart has a long handle plastic spoon (Ozark trail 9 inch) for 30 cents. No need to spend $15 or $20 on a titanium spoon.

[@john_kelley]

Great choice!

[@davidschwartz3427]

I have a Chinese Jetboil clone and I like it dammit. I carry a Stanley french press for coffee and protein in the morning, a Thermos for said coffee and use the Thermos in the afternoon for gatorade and its a lot of cook kit but it really doesn't weigh that much and I like it. There I said it.

[@john_kelley]

You be you, bro! 😂

[@HikingwithGus]

I only buy name brand stuff if it is on sale for a dirt cheap price. You can get great deals on the Backpacking Gear Flea Market on FB. I have scored some incredible deals there.

[@john_kelley]

I’ve bought a lot of gear from there.

[@gregmortonoutdoors]

Len spend what you saved on treats for Gus. :)

[@alexm2404]

titanium spork £3 on Aliexpress.

[@Rgrrgr175]

Gonex all the way baby! Don’t let the big brands tell you what to buy!

[@john_kelley]

LOL!

[@geraldhenrickson7472]

When your 70 you WILL NEED all things light. Start early collecting the lighter gear you will eventually need, perhaps in your 50's. I have had better luck using a frameless pack at 6-8 pounds less that its max rating. There are some really nice frame-style packs from decades ago that are semi-lightweight. They do work. Check out your dads old pack...

[@GodanDawnofTitans]

I’m doing exactly what you prescribed, starting the switch at 51 😁

[@rh1282]

Excellent video that isn't shilling the super expensive gear. Great job

[@john_kelley]

Thanks!!!

[@calcgeek117]

My first frameless pack was the ULA CDT, and I was at a total pack weight of like 25lbs. I was miserable all weekend. Switched to the Mariposa and never looked back.

[@martinmadsen4162]

I like the idea of titanium but i hate the fact that it is ALL made in china, so i use stainless steel. and as for DCF i like the benefits but i dislike the sound of the tarp so i swaped back to sil nylon.

[@john_kelley]

I totally get that.

[@rainbowhiker]

I don't use stuff sacks other than zipp locks. Sometimes for a particular sleeping bag. You can save 1/2 to a pound not using stuff sacks. // The trick with a frame less pack in shifting weight is filling the pack so its a solid bundle. If its solid, it becomes the frame.

[@john_kelley]

Great tips. The fewer stuff sacks, the lighter it will weigh.

[@rainbowhiker]

@@john_kelley I learned years ago to sweat the small stuff. I've saved lbs in my carry weight which makes backpacking for myself so much easier. Sub ten lb base is always my goal. I own no ultralight gear other than my Sierra Designs bivy. Much easier, cheaper, and lighter to use than a tent.

[@thomasmusso1147]

Some of the best gear is that which you currently have, have learned to use within it's design parameters, are happy with it and it's been paid for without watering of the eyes. Then IGNORE the Marketing .. they NEED to sell their products in order to survive .. you don't HAVE to buy it.

[@john_kelley]

Learn how to best use what you have, then, if you want, upgrade. You don't have to, though.

[@thomasmusso1147]

@@john_kelley 👍

[@GMiller75]

I definitely prefer a framed backpack as it provides support that a frameless doesn't. The downside is they do weigh more.

[@john_kelley]

It’s a give and take for sure.

[@techguy9023]

I went from a surplus Alice pack to an Osprey Atmos because it feels better. It still weighs probably twice what many carry empty but it’s tough. I went from an old Coleman single burner stove to a isobutane most of the time. Still rocking my 40 yr old Camp 7 down bag. I can’t constantly change gear. Use what you’ve got if it works.

[@JohnVianneyPatron]

I'm an experienced backpacker (maybe I too should set up a KZbin site😅) but seriously I think when it comes to backpack weight, there's a lot of body adaptation going on, so although you will see the difference on the scale, you shouldn't feel it in the trail. I have both frame and frameless backpacks. There is a place for both and I don't think frame backpack will EVER become obsolete!

[@labellaescrima1996]

True Justin talks a lot about Decathlon but still while speaking about cheaper products he wears OR, Patagonia, Arc'teryx, Auclair, ect....so pretty hard to trust what he is saying! lol

[@john_kelley]

Why does that make him hard to trust? He has a gear review channel. He has to try out all kinds of gear.

[@labellaescrima1996]

@@john_kelley because while wearing the most expensive gear he speaks about decathlon saying they got good quality material that is quite affordable. then why don't you wear the stuff yourself, I saw him once with a decathlon jacket...the rest is all expensive brand name and I have been a subscriber of his for two years now. So, my point is if it good enough for backpacking, hiking and why not wear them, instead of the brand names you wear all the time + he says he is not sponsored by them. Geez the other day he was making a video about layering all he had was OR...see my point? Hey, don't get me wrong I like Justin he is a decent fellow with a lot of good advices to share with us and I appreciate the man, but like I said it is hard to be convinced of buying no brand name when he wears just brand name products, like OR, Patagonia, all the time.

[@grantfitz2047]

Just cut the bag down the side.

[@toml.8210]

I made my own long-handled spork by soldering two spoons together! I used a Dremel to cut the tines. I spent $1 on it at the DollarTree. And my food bowl was a 2 LB margarine tub: free! My first pack had a frame, and I got it at J.C. Penny's for $29! I only had to add a hip-belt. Decent gear doesn't have to cost much, but be wary of buying cheap junk. I still use my nylon stuff-bag, that I bought in 1980 for $4. It doubles as my pillow. I agree.. You don't "need" these things, but research and videos help you to pick what's best for you!

[@NealBenson]

Great video! Thank you for sharing this. I backpack with my kids and we get outdoors, can't always afford the luxury gear.

[@techguy9023]

I don’t want to be afraid of bumping a bush or a limb and putting a hole in an expensive tent. I have a North Face Stormbreak I use with my kids. I think it’s made of 68 or 70 silpoly. It was $170 on sale for a three person tent. The trade off is it weighs about 6 pounds. I split the weight up between us so no one is carrying too much. Light tents may be 20 d or less thick.

[@keithkreatives]

I like this guy. No b.s., honest, fluff free advice

[@john_kelley]

Thanks!

[@derekdrever3470]

Blizzard spoon ftw

[@terryweaver9770]

After all my research & watching a million hiker videos...buy once, cry once, happy for a lifetime- Fjallraven. If Fjallraven makes the gear, that’s how I’m gonna go. That’s the camp I’m in. I wear it, use it, on the daily. “Never feel cold again,” ...100% true. My big 2 are Danner & Fjallraven- like U said, they just work for me.

[@john_kelley]

I think gear is a lot like shoes. Once you find your brand, you're good to go. It looks like Fjallraven is locked in for you.

[@David-pk7mv]

Poshmark has tons of high end gear for discount prices.

[@john_kelley]

I'll check them out.

[@yetanotherhobby5698]

Spot on. Get out there and hike with what you have, and who really cares what anybody else has to say about it. That being said, there are practical reasons to buy lighter gear. I'm not getting any younger, and the last backpack I bought was my trusty Mountainsmith internal frame in 1991. I'm updating my gear and the tech available today is mind boggling. My tent + quilt + sleeping pad + (framed) backpack together weigh less than that pack by itself.

[@GodanDawnofTitans]

I just did exactly what you said. My new big 3 weigh less than my former external Kelty backpack. It’s crazy, but the new weight feels fantastic!

[@jb42jb]

Also Walmart has a 1 dollar long handle spoon made by ozark trail

[@john_kelley]

Nice!

[@MokuNui808]

I think the two things you should spend on are the pack and shoes

[@john_kelley]

Agreed. Sleep system is another I wouldn't go too cheap on.

[@maximusjoseppi5904]

Ya, I'm not an ultra light backpacker haha. I'm very weight conscious but I love my luxury and comfort ounces! Chair, saw, e-tool, nice thick sleeping pad, 2 pillows, fire starter cubes... I'm a bodybuilder and weekend warrior so whether I'm 15lbs or 30lbs, doesn't make a difference to me haha.

[@benschuster9792]

Totally agree about frameless packs. They're awesome if you're BW is around 5-8lbs like I do and are doing more fastpacking than backpacking (thus less food required). But they certainly are an ultralight only type thing

[@brandonfoley7519]

Yes! Decathlon down jacket is coming with on the appalachian trail in 15 days! This video was awesome btw

[@john_kelley]

Are you thru hiking it?

[@iain3668]

What is your opinion on bottles Vs cammel bags

[@john_kelley]

I prefer bottles, because I can see how much water I have left.

[@1FAST91SONOMA]

My Lixada titanium spoon cost $8 (less than the UCO) and weighs 0.6oz plus it came with a bag that was perfect for my tent stakes. I tried to balance everything carefully for my first backpack setup. Weight and price were the 2 biggest factors. The single most expensive part was the Gatewood Cape for Six Moon Designs, followed by the used Sub Nero DCF pack. With those 2 items removed no other item cost more than $80.

[@psyamok3735]

Many thumbs up John! You hit the spot! Many yt influencers that claimed to be independent and don't paddle gears are actually paddling sponsored expensive gears that they claimed purchased with their own $$. Anyone can gears up for < $350 or even less,with total weight of @ 25-28lb and go enjoy hiking. Even if the weight > 30lb is still ok. I met a single mom who carried >50lb hiking with her child and have a blast! I have never own any expensive gears. My tent was from Big 5 on sales with coupon for $32, 2.5lb, single wall, Cheap floor mat 9oz. from Amazon for

[@shaunbogle9162]

I have a Field and Stream 80L backpack I got at Dick's and it was $100. It's about 4 pounds and is very well made. The rain cover is garbage though. Get another one from amazon. I have hiked alot with this backpack, it fits very well and is comfortable. I used my buddies Gregory backpack and mine is way more comfortable.

[@rainbowhiker]

You forgot to say Dynema punctures very easily. This year on the Pacific Crest Trail I saw ice crystal fall on and destroy the roof of their Dynema tent. These weren't big crystal. Small ones falling off pine needles. The other instance was someone setting up their Dynema tent next to a Yucca plant. In the night the wind blew and perforated one wall. Dynema is nice but it's way to expensive and in a tent, doesn't work well in high winds. Last year, one of the tents tore completely in two in Oregon. No, don't care for Dynema in the least. Another thing i won't buy is $200+ sleeping pads. Rediculous.

[@AlpacaMade]

Disclaimer: Spork snob here. 13.whatever for a spork OR .25 for a tea spoon at G00dwill. That's tea spoon as in Sweet Tea, Y'all (best Dixie accent) not a measuring spoon. Stainless steel, surprisingly large bowl and long handle. I've been using one for more than a decade because...large coffee. I totally agree with the advise that you don't have to have the big ticket gear. I'm on a mission to find adequate gear that is right for my carry weight, something no one talks about. My needs; fire, water, shelter and food. My budget, something everyone talks about. Thank you for a great perspective on these topics👍

[@carlfields]

Great video. I like your style and have become a new subscriber. But I should say concerning new backpackers, when it comes to the big 3, I wouldn't advise going cheaper. They'll just end up spending more money upgrading. Ask me how I know. Instead I would suggest getting an REI membership and go all in on the shelter, sleep system and backpack. They have a year to change their mind and can either keep it, downsize or return it. If I could do it all over again that would have saved me a bunch of time and money. But if they can't afford to do that, then the videos on budget gear alternatives are super helpful. Safe travels.

[@jb3d247]

Thanks for being real in this one! A lot of friends that I talk to about backpacking always complain about it being so expensive to spend a night in the woods!

[@TripleE76]

I have an osprey 65AG, used it on 3 trips and quickly realized it was not for me. Now use a Zpacks Arc Haul and mostly like it. Have pondered a frameless pack, but agree my base weight plus consumables is 21-25 (if carrying additional food for my family), so not a wise choice. Almost bought the Zpacks Arc Air, but figured I better continue to dial in what I have.

[@nonameman9291]

Cool channel.

[@deborahhill3105]

Your production quality gets better and better!

[@john_kelley]

Thank you!

[@TennesseeSlim]

I've been buying gear used on Facebook groups. Name brands for the price of the cheap gear. Always love the praddagonia.

[@john_kelley]

I like Praddagonia! I'll remember that. I've bought a ton of gear on Facebook groups, too.

[@ThanatosWings]

I have a mix of walmart and big brand. I started with a colman 6lb tent from Canadian Tire and snowboarding backpack. Then bought a new item or two every year. I still prefer my Walmart shorts, Winners mountain hardware puffy, and free Foodora bike courier rain jacket (mkre than my 500$ gore). This jacket's is lighter, water proof, and has reflective material around the bottom half which ia great saftey for highway walking to and from trails. My rainpants were also from Winners for about 20$. I have a second hand shirt from Old Navy I like a lot. And a merino wool base from mec. My tent is now a 700$ MSR. And I will be uograding my pack from a Duter to a Zpacks Arc Blast. My stove is a 10 year old alcohol stove I will not part with. And I use one Snow peak 800ml pot and 450ml mug. I might also go from a gravety filter to a katalyn be free and blaters to smartwater bottles. I have a snow peak spork. I dehydrate all my own meals (why oay 15$ for some parboil rice and nutritional yeast and hardly any vegtables?). I'm also vegan and not into sugar, prefer bioavailable calories. Thanks for the tips.

[@rodrev_hiking6757]

LiteAF packs are the best . And I use a 40L 0.5oz Dyneema pack WITH frame that I can remove . Pack very similar to the HMG Southwest . Nice : frame out in summer / frame in when winter .

[@GodanDawnofTitans]

I get everything cheap, on sale or secondhand but never used 😁 I love it, just keep searching and be patient! Happy trails! But my one true luxury is my Helinox Chair Zero! Love it and it goes with me all the time 😁

[@nedanother9382]

forks put holes in my dyneema

[@john_kelley]

I'm sure they do.

[@TheTrailDancer]

Truth!!!! Plus beginning backpackers won’t really know what the need or like. It always changes. 😃

[@barondavis5692]

Ah, a lot true, but cottage company = American made, quality built in and workers making a fair wage 90% of the time. IF you can afford American, support the American worker and the company they work for. You’ll be glad you did.

[@shivamkaushik7589]

10:22 Decathlon is one of the best brands when it comes to quality products for cheap price, in India most people who go for treks in Himalayas rely on products from decathalon, I made my gear loadout for Rs 7000($95) including, rucksack, sleeping bag, sleeping mat, cooking kit, trekking pole and 10 other misc items, so if ever visiting a south Asian country you can buy gear for really cheap here instead of bringing your own

[@Oldsparkey]

DON'T NEED a frame less back pack ??? Everyone's needs differ/vary but are the really need's or want's ? Do you really need that or is it a matter of wanting it. I dropped pack weight by eliminating the wants and taking the needs. A luxury item ( or two ) is nice but do you really need all of them ? Recognizing the difference can lighten your pack and save your back. After all you are camping with what's carried on your back. You are the mule ( beast of burden ) toting the load. Be kind to yourself and consider this , " A ounce in the morning becomes a pound at night. " I used a heavy ( External frame , back then , the only ones for sale ) pack for years , the frame less ultralight packs are a lot more fun. Some ways/reasons why I like a ultralight , frame less , pack. Especially the 6 to 7 pound base weight.

[@bobpadrick7718]

Truth. As with EVERYTHING in life, there is a balance to be struck. Mors Kochanski said "the more you know the less you carry, and, the less you carry the more you enjoy the hike." That's mostly true. Sometimes you might enjoy the hike more with the added weight of a luxury item like a chair. But generally, he is right. A beginning backpacker may not have enough knowledge to either trim weight or make an informed decision on whether to bring the extra weight of a luxury item. But the less weight a beginner takes the more likely s/he is to enjoy the experience. So, I would advise a beginning backpacker to invest in lightweight (not necessarily super-expensive, ultra-light weight) options for the big 3: Tent, bedding and backpack. Then fill in with the cheap stuff. Set a target weight limit and don't go over it when making decisions on what to bring. If they don't enjoy the experience, there is a market for their used gear where they can recoup most of the cost. If they do enjoy it, they are on their way to acquiring the knowledge necessary to dial in the weight, up or down, they are willing to carry.

[@kswenson314]

You should be a life coach... the message is "do you". That's the key to life. 👍

[@john_kelley]

😂 I don't know about that life coach stuff, but thanks!

[@hosank]

……..so Décathlon isn’t a no-name cottage brand lol, it’s a MASSIVE european sports gear multinational.

[@AveragePicker]

I've never understood getting hung up on utensils. Eating is about the easiest thing you can do and get away with using anything...or even nothing. I headed out once for about six days and forgot to bring any sort of utensil. I ended up finding a stick and slightly flattening one end of it. It worked fine. It worked so fine that after the trip I forgot I needed toss a fork or spoon or something back into the gear box. Next trip came up, I packed up, headed out...and realized I still only had that stupid stick...and it was fine. Used it for four more trips. I've used plastic forks from kfc, chopsticks, silverware from a friend's house, etc...down to..guess I'll just eat with my fingers.

[@LH_Vagrant]

I'll never do ultralight. I prefer a healthy balance between weight, comfort and durability. Especially when it comes to backpacks, I'll gladly suffer the extra weight to have a frame and great hip support.

[@JohnVianneyPatron]

Decathlon has just opened 4 stores in 1 of the 9 provinces in my country and through it's online division is already kicking the butt of the major sports retailers. It's really high quality at affordable prices. Decathlon is going to do more for public health (by making an active lifestyle accessible) than many government authorities! 5 Stars!

[@WPJName]

i like a lot of big brands but i do not want to have huge logos on MY items... so i often buy cheaper alternatives just to not be a walking advery

[@john_kelley]

I get that.

[@AJHart-eg1ys]

I do that when it comes to things like Nike, Underarmour, etc. And I do get a little suspicious of people dressed head-to-toe in any one manufacturer because to me it kind of screams "poseur." I wear a variety from a lot of companies precisely because I'm always looking for the best deal. So I guess I see that in others who are sort of walking hodgepodge of Patagonia, Hanes, Mountain Hardware and Ozark Trail. The other folks strike me as having shopped for the purpose of taking really good selfies. :)

[@nonameman9291]

How dare you!

[@theoutdoordogandhikinggirl]

I think it is good to find a way in between. Some important gear from higher quality, combined with budget gear. I am backpacking for years. This year I bought a Zpacks tent (for which I have been saving for 3 years), but also a Decathlon down jacket. A name doesn't mean anything. Make sure the gear works for you and makes your hikes to a succes. Checking sales also helps a lot.

[@john_kelley]

Yes to all of that.