The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power - Season 2 Episode 7 Review

My review for Episode 7 of Season 2 of 'The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power'.
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[@jacobjones8731]

One man to review them all…

[@peybak]

The hero we need...

[@FredThePhoenix]

Why not have CELEBRIAN as the main character of the show then? You can have your kiss with Elrond and you can have the main character being a little immature without taking away from Galadriel or Celeborn. It would also make sense for a young Celebrian as the main character to be more vulnerable to Sauron and have scenes where she asks her parents for guidance. It seems like they wanted the Galadriel name because she's known but they didn't want her actual character, maturity and actual family. It's SO weird to me

[@jrconway3]

Yeah they wanted Galadriel for the name purpose.

[@belegur8108]

Celebrian or Elrond as main would have been far better... and with the saisons focusing on fewer plots... leave any Harfeet/not-Gandalf or "Southlands ( pretty sure it was called Mordor back then already ) and start with Saison 1: Elrond getting to know Galadriel, Celeborn and Celebrian, getting the realm of Eregion established and ending with Sauron as Annatar Saison 2 : Forging of the 16, after Sauron leaving the 3 Elven Rings and the Master Ring and finally Sauron attacking Eregion, ending with the Sacking and Lindon and Rivendell being besieged. Saison 3: Numenorian "invasion" and victory over Sauron, ending with Sauron being captured, brought back to Numenor as prisoner and then corrupting the Numenorian court ( end scene maybe first worshipping of Morgoth in his new temple?) Saison 4: Fall of Numenor and establishing the kingdoms of Arnor and Gondor Saison 5: War of the last Alliance you only have to focus on a few characters in Saison 1-3 and from 4 on you can establish Elendil, Isildur, Anarion ( oh Brother, Where Are Thou?), Pharazon, etc. and give background information from a story teller's (Elrond) perspective.

[@dancingdragon3]

That’s what I’ve been saying. She could have been played by the young actress- smith woman in Eregion. You could keep Annatar being creepy with her which would make conflict with Galadriel, who in canon is living in Eregion and always suspicious of Annatar anyway.

[@jrconway3]

@@dancingdragon3 Actually Galadriel would have moved to Lorian with Celebrian by now, making Celebrian the protagonist would change the dynamic a bit. I think only Celeborn stayed in Eregion and he was one of the leading defenders of the city. Still, Celebrian would have made FAR more sense, even though it still wouldn't be canon to her character. But if they're twisting the lore anyway, then Celebrian can be the protagonist and Galadriel and Celeborn never left Eregion I guess. Elrond really should have been the protagonist. Celebrimbor, however, would have been a good early protagonist until the rings are forged. Once the rings are forged then he's supposed to die, after which Elrond becomes the most important elf for some time. Gilgalad is still the "Big Good" basically, but he doesn't make for a good protagonist, for similar reasons as Galadriel (both of them are far too old, they should be wise mentors, not a protagonist).

[@mr_coffee9917]

I like this show and am very generous but I agree with this 1000%

[@eteline_music]

I just found it hilarious that Celebrimbor was oblivious to the noise caused by the destruction of the orcs until that wafer-thin stained glass window broke and the sound came through into the room full force. Or the Chinese elf getting hit by about fifty arrows but then being let to take her time, completely in the open, to take the shot. Did the orcs forget about her after shooting her or not see her leisurely lining up the shot? The show is full of stupid things like these.

[@sunilmathew7794]

There are only 10 person's in Eregeon army with a dokey as captain.

[@Christo_Trismegistus]

This whole show feels very small and has no sense of importance

[@freman007]

Yes. Jackson's Return of the King cost $94 million, and still had a vastly greater sense of scale than this.

[@FredThePhoenix]

This show REFUSES to give us Celeborn with Galadriel and Celebrian and Elrond and I don't know why. Like what's wrong with just following this goddamn family tree? It seems like having these family connections in the show would make it a lot stronger. It's so weird to me

[@ChrisGrahamkedzuel]

Shippers. I think shippers are involved. I hate shippers.

[@FredThePhoenix]

@@ChrisGrahamkedzuel tell me about it. I left the FFVII community because of that 🤷‍♂️

[@mrsdorough81]

We have seen these writers steal plotlines from Jackson´s movies. Who knew they would also steal a plot from the critically acclaimed, intellectual movie that is Twilight? 😂

[@Chociewitka]

Elrond married Celebrían 109 Third Age which is like 107 years after Isildur's death. In the book Isildur dies 234 years old and Celebrian is assumed to have been 1500-3000 older than Isildur. Elrond was in love with her for a dozen of centuries already before Isildur was even born. As elves are only are fully grown when 100, Elrond will end up being a cradle-snatcher and a groomer if Celebrian is not yet an adult elf in RoP. And even more so if she is yet to be born. In Tolkien's lore, here cited after the "Tolkien Gateway" it is stated as follows: "Celebrían was born early in the Second Age, likely in S.A. 300, when Galadriel refused to return to Eressëa, and passed over the Mountains. Celebrían lived in Eregion, and later moved to Lórien with her mother in S.A. 1350. In S.A. 1701, she went to Rivendell with Galadriel searching for Celeborn, where she first met Lord Elrond, who loved her in secret. Centuries later they would marry, in T.A. [Third Age] 109. Their first children, the twins Elladan and Elrohir, were born in 130 [T.A.], and their daughter Arwen in 241.[3] " . As: "Isildur was born in Númenor in S.A. 3209." - by the time that Isildur was born, Elrond had been already in love with Celebrían for about 1508 years, and she had been already a ripe 1000-1401 years old when Elrond first fell in love with her.

[@jrconway3]

Yeah, that's what I have been saying. In order for Celebrian to marry Elrond, she NEEDS to be alive already. Because Celeborn disappeared in the First Age in this show, then Celebrian must have been born before Celeborn disappeared. And then Galadriel doesn't disappear. And I doubt this showrunners wants the implication for Celebrian (who would basically be a child) to marry Elrond after the events of this show.

[@belegur8108]

someone read their Tolkien and i like it. I was hyped at the start of production, was wary when trailers dropped, confused when i saw young Galadriel bullied by fellow elfen kids, then more so with her climbing mountains without any gear/backpack at all and her northern army being 9 elves ( won't call them warriors/soldiers, because they are incompetent as can get. What really broke me was all the time compressions of time with events from 1500-1600 S.A. ( forging of the 19 rings of power and not in correct order, but in the order they appear in the Ring poem ) but Characters, that are born after 3000 S.A. running around and distances with taking a casual afternoon stroll from Ost-In-Edhil ( so you do not have the rights for this name Amazon, do you? ) to Khazad Dum and back or riding from Moria to Eregion in a 5 days non-stop gallop... they do a cardinal sin with making Tolkiens world feel small... P.S: i called out Halbrand as Sauron after his second sentence "Looks can be deceiving" and the show runners really thought this a clever mystery box...

[@jrconway3]

​@@belegur8108 I thought the info was leaked long before, but everyone I watched was saying Halbrand was Sauron from the start of the season. The only ones who weren't were the ones in denial the show was a terrible cash grab. According to the actor himself he didn't know he was playing Sauron until Episode 3.

[@MadsThorlund]

Litterally half this episode are moments or lines from pulled from LOTR 😂 All the background orcs have the exact same lines as they had in LOTR and it sounds so forced. It's so silly at this point

[@AnnoyingCritic-is7rp]

The fake out Gandalf scene like Helms Deep just made me angry.

[@iamsheep]

Why are you even doing this to yourself? 😂

[@tango31313]

the battle was a CW budget level battle, like where did the money go???add a couple hundred more elves, anything to make the battlefield less empty. this is the first episode that i did enjoy as well, but some parts were just so incredibly undercooked.

[@ChrisGrahamkedzuel]

Elrond kissed his mother in law!

[@jimbob8992]

I've been watching Charlie's channel, and I'm so glad you mentioned it. It's actually been worth having this terrible adaptation of LOTR just to watch deep fake Gandalf and Co reacting to it.

[@dbungart3044]

They could of introduced the Watcher in the Water and no one would have an issue. Crazy to go full Star Wars and change the timeline for the balrog.

[@kevz2474]

ROP is officially GOT with that kiss lol

[@Christo_Trismegistus]

It just continues to show that they're grasping at straws and have pretty bad writers

[@blaxpoitation8528]

GoT actually had some good writing, especially during the early seasons. RoP does not.

[@grumpysorc3744]

In this moment - yes, but actually not even close. GoD had the best supporting cast I've ever seen. Most of side characters, especially in North, were incredibly authentic. RoP side characters...just a bunch of bad cosplayers.

[@alexarjona1692]

The writing in this show is so bad, so bad ….😂 billions of dollars cannot help it.

[@blitzme99]

I tried really hard to like this show. 2 seasons later and they proved that amazon should not ever be allowed to touch warhammer 40K. they will ruin it too

[@Christo_Trismegistus]

I was excited when it was announced and gave it a chance and was let down even more than I thought I could be. I thought the Hobbit movies were bad but this is a whole new level of bad.

[@ozi618]

My excitement about movies and TV shows has died.

[@blitzme99]

@@ozi618 this too shall pass. But the first thing people need to do is start canceling their Disney Plus subscriptions and Amazon prime subscription

[@tuliosan9399]

Damn.. now that you talked about this show having more screentime than the movies trilogy made this series feels even worse for me. Never thought that would be possible

[@Christo_Trismegistus]

And those movies actually had books that they adapted. What's amazing is that they could not get rights to The Simarillion and proceeded to give us this much screentime from fan fiction

[@elenavorobeva6747]

I read this story last night! And I screamed when they kissed, incredibly stupid and disrespectful. And can we warship PJ one more time?

[@majkus]

"The Children of Hurin" is available in audiobook format, with none other than Christopher Lee reading the text. Hearing Sir Christopher reading Morgoth's dialogue alone is worth the price.

[@Christo_Trismegistus]

That would be way better audio than anything this show has given us

[@Pynefurnishings]

We need a video of you ranting on every single bad thing from the entire season. You would probably be able to do a Top 100 Terrible Things video. Like at minimum

[@sharkyPCH]

What a disgrace and a joke of a show

[@bermudabengal]

ahh! the irony of Celebrembor the "ring maker" cutting off his finger...........then many years later Sauron loses the ring after getting his finger cut off! FATE!!!!........OH and Frodo getting his finger bitten off by smeagle!

[@sVieira151]

Children of Hurin is goddamn brutal. 😮‍💨 Edit: the orc metal is real and is actually really cool as an standalone idea, in my opinion. The idea was apparently a song sung and drummed by the orcs about the troll. It's called The Last Battle of Damrod and the singer is Jens Kidman (of Meshuggah fame) and the drums have legendary metal drummer Gene Hoglan. I find it weird they'd try to incorporate into the show itself. I could see it as a song that plays over the end credits at best. 😅

[@Ongaliman]

I understand that it was a "misdirection", but extremely powerful elf or at least as powerful as Galadriel, should be capable of freeing herself without that. Plus "kiss as a distraction" is such a modern thing. People in medieval times would've never even thought about it, that's why you never see it in literature up untill spy or adventure novels. And the fact that Elrond is still not in love with Calebrian, means that Arwen will never be born, which means Aragorn will not be in love with her, which in turn means he will have no need of being a part of the Fellowship or being the king of Gondor. The fact that Elrond was willing to give away Arwen only if Aragorn is a king was one of the main driving forces for Aragorn. So, yeah, Third age comes and everyone just dies, because there was no one to protect the hobbits on their journey. No ghost army, no help from Rohan. Just death, destruction and despair. Lovely world, I say, lovely.

[@DrDetfink]

This episode is indicative of the frustration behind this show. There is nothing happening but characters are allegedly doing something. 🤷‍♂️

[@marcayres8567]

If nothing else? 💚🇬🇧🌱Finding Charlie's channel because of this series is worth it's weight in gold...

[@mhm2908]

For repurposed stuff in episode 7, how about: Asian girl elf being stuck with arrows recalls Boromir's last stand, Black legolas dealing with troll as Legolas dealt with elephants. Incidentally I thought Arondir was killed by Adar (similar to Aragorn sticking the huge orc... in LOR). I actually had moments of enjoying this episode but any magic created always soon spoilt by some ridiculous dialogue or improbably scene.

[@marcayres8567]

Oh man! "The substance" 💚🇬🇧🌱I saw it last night! Wow!!

[@mattng4707]

What happens calbrimnum

[@EnterpriseGeek]

What a BANGER of an episode, haters can't admit. But this show is finally GREAT! Multiple positive articles are popping up for this episode...you guys are getting tired hating this show the next 3 seasons bc it will be AMAZING!

[@adriandenton6637]

One voice in the darkness....show needs to finish and be forgotten asap.

[@EnterpriseGeek]

@@adriandenton6637 haha not really, its bc its a hate channel here. tons of fan groups out there. have a nice day

[@adriandenton6637]

@@EnterpriseGeek James Hancock knows more about fantasy that you will ever know. Congratulate yourself on being a great consumer. Amazon loves you.

[@EnterpriseGeek]

@@adriandenton6637 you dont know me or what i was reading, so dont judge over the internet. it's a toxic place..and you're drowned in it..

[@adriandenton6637]

@@EnterpriseGeek And you don't know about my relationship with Tolkiens works. And how the f do you drown in the internet? I'm old enough to form my own opinions.

[@Nerdmaid]

My favorite character that Charlie does is deep fake Boromir 😂

[@adriandenton6637]

He's called Sean and grew up a couple of miles from here.

[@nickhtk6285]

Are you in danger of being brainwashed by the show?

[@jadapandy]

I'm hoping the upcoming animated movie is guud.

[@ValyrianPrince]

19:19 ork metal

[@elck3]

Man come on. This was a good episode and they really did pay off a lot of the setups like Celebrimbor and Annatar scenes were really well done (not “more compelling”, very compelling and well done imo). Just my opinion. No need to constantly criticize when there’s objectively good content

[@84bucco]

Those things are definitely the highlight of the episode but really the only highlight for me

[@victorcates9330]

1) Durin killing everyone happens off screen to avoid having to show it. It requires that his mind is completely gone. Not a creeping descent into greed, but the flipping of a switch. And the dwarves them are... forced to obey the ring wearer out of fear? It seems a messy solution. 2) Does the geography of middle earth allow running to the dwarves and expecting them to show up by dawn the next day? 3) Galadriel gets into the city by not showing it. 4) The kiss. You can assume that it's purely for the purpose of getting the clasp into Galadriel's hand. Or maybe elves are friendly like that. Maybe the standard elven goodbye involves some light heavy petting and Elrond is actually being positively restrained and borderline cold. 5) Sauron didn't corrupt the female smith. He misled her. Even if he seduced her, there's no shame in her feeling romantic desire for someone she regarded as good. So his corruption of the guards needs to be different. It would seem more straightforward if he had corrupted them so they are acolytes. If having given in to Sauron means he owns you, then that complicates the idea of redemption. Ok, Sauron owns the minds of the wraiths, but that presumably is a different case. If the guards marched in to arrest Anatar, then they meant to do it. IE. they were engaged in an action coming from a good place. 6) The siege of Eregion would have meant more if Eregion had more than 1 developed character. Mirdania isn't horrible, but she's mostly just there so Eregion isn't purely anatar and Celebrimbor. If they developed her marginally more, then her death would have been cold as ice. 7) Sauron's master plan seems unsound. If he relied on events unfolding a particular way (to the point of smirking), then the events can't seem touch and go. That means there needs to be no possibility of the dwarves showing up. That he counted on fending off Adar and Celebrimbor not dying from a shot from the catapult. Is the head orc not wanting to go into battle part of the plan or a big ass detail that represents that Sauron doesn't know everything and can't predict everything?

[@selectedworks9253]

So why if Christopher was involved in compiling his father’s work and he is so heavily into this project, why are they straying away from the lore so heavily ?

[@victorcates9330]

Isn't Chris dead? I think Simon Tolkien is the one involved.

[@selectedworks9253]

@@victorcates9330ahhh ok

[@toodlescae]

Christopher Tolkien died before Amazon bought the rights if I remember right. This is purely Simon Tolkien's jealousy and resentment of his grandfather's talent influencing the people in charge of Tolkien's work.

[@selectedworks9253]

Gotcha that’s so bad !

[@tjk3430]

There's one point where Elrond yells "Destroy it!" regarding an orc siege weapon which was borrowed from the opening of Fellowship. Agreed, "You told us you loved us!" was fucking hilarious. I wish they could make the cockney accented orcs say f bombs & c-words that would be funny but would never happen.

[@Patrick-sheen]

The last episode left me feeling like I had woken up with a headache next to a naked P Diddy. This one, at the very least, had action, plenty Sauron and no f-:king Theo or Harfoots. The dwarf part absolutely sucked though and the woke Orc needs to catch a stray arrow. Orcs are the inspiration for Norwegian black metal: evil, anti-human, murderous, medieval, pre or anti Christian or even the inversion or perversion of Christian morality, and yes Sauron is the essence of evil also, none of this poor me stuff. These reviews and this channel rule btw.

[@shaunsutton699]

You are not sick, it was funny.

[@tjk3430]

Lol agreed. She was totally thirsting for Annatar and he disposed of her like nothing.

[@Djsonley]

I've read every Tolkien book almost and loved this episode. It's what I want to see action wise and they did a good job. It was better than anything in the Hobbit movies. Sauron is great in this show. He's evil and he loves it plus we got no halffoots. Big bonus. It's a tonne better than House of the Dragon series 2 thats for damn sure.

[@muccamadboymike3526]

But does that make it good as a entire series?

[@shaomike]

The dialogue reminds me of when Robin Williams would do his fake Shakespeare speeches

[@videostoryanalyses8910]

"The Penguin" looks interesting. At least episode 1.

[@halo2something]

this show makes me want to rewatch original trilogy

[@alphaomega1328]

The Rings for men looks so much better than the rings for elves or dwarves. That and Celebrimbor killing generic female elf 2 the only pluses I can really come up with this episode. The rest is nothing like it should be - I know the Elrond / Galadriel kiss was so he could give her that badge / brooch but by Illuvatar that was a terrible why to do so.

[@belegur8108]

why? She proposed to him last episode... on her knee with ring and all, so the kiss was him saying " Yes, i do!" ;o)

[@KH-dp8wo]

7:30 yeah that was a laugh out loud moment for me too

[@mrc8308]

Thanks

[@Untiem]

The epic charge of the Elven king with Elrond by his side 15 vs 15 the all out fight was funny if not ridiculous The CGI budget went to the Troll king The kiss of Elrond though a distraction was an absolute cringe and she's his future mother in law

[@yv3652]

I dont care what you say.This series is great and this episode was brillant.

[@belegur8108]

guess it is all about personal taste and expectations... for me, when i order a meal from the menue called "Beef Mignon" and get a basic cheese burger i call the chef and clear up their error, even if both are quiet tasty on there own...

[@AnnoyingCritic-is7rp]

How do you justify copying scenes from Lord of the Rings and then having Elrond kiss Galadriel? How do you justify Galadriel's escape with a hairpin off screen? How do you justify the confusing battle with Elrond and Sauron? Couldn't Elrond just march into the city in Erigion and defend it? And couldn't he give Sauron to Adar? This whole Battle is due to a slight misunderstanding?

[@adriandenton6637]

The whole premise of the show is a disgusting, audacious and disrespectful joke. It has no reason to exist apart from a cheap exploitation of some of the most respected and beloved books in the last 100 years.

[@AMore429]

There’s nothing in the show that will satisfy you ? As bad as it is, it’s not possible that all is wrong and bad. At least people are talking about Tolkien. What’s your agenda besides being a troll ?

[@adriandenton6637]

The whole premise of the show is a disgusting, audacious and disrespectful joke.

[@cregberger4451]

What a waste of time watching this! According to your review- you'd turn everything "extra" that's in this series and make it "basic" i.e. boring & bland no wonder it's much easier to criticize than to create ... I've been a Tolkien fan for over 40yrs and find this adaption a welcome and creative endeavor (as do the millions of others who faithful watch the series) that (although not 100% in following with source material, which is sparse at best during the time period covered) re-images and makes sense of a lot of the motivation and goals behind the characters and concepts during the 2nd age. I think what a lot of Tolkien & Jackson "purist" are mostly bemoaning is the fact that Tolkien wrote mostly "goal & saga" orientated stories while these seem to be more character development driven plot lines. But I completely enjoy the show (more so then any of the movies, which were great as well) because even with a few quirks- i.e. speeches, cities and armies "seem" minuscule (but every production has had an issue or 2 BTW) and I Definitely always look forward to every new episode like no other series since G.O.T.

[@adriandenton6637]

The whole premise of the show is a disgusting, audacious and disrespectful joke. It has no reason to exist apart from a cheap exploitation of some of the most respected and beloved books in the last 100 years. Between member berries and 'modernisation' it I couldn't hate it anymore than possible.