Gen 3 vs Photonis Echo very low light

Gen3 omni 8 with Carson glas compared to Photonis Echo with Carson glas.
First clip is Forest. 2-3km from closest artifical lightsource. Heavy fog and cloud coverage.
Second clip is open field where distance lightsources can be seen. Some skyglow, heavy cloud coverage and some fog.
Very low light
All camera settings are the same and the camera is in manuel mode.
Recorded using a Sony A7 ii
Gen 3 spec
Omni 8
Echo specs
Gain - 9964
Lp/mm - 71
SNR - 27.55
EBI - 1.3

[@heyarno]

Fascinating how the Photonis tube seems to give more details.

[@EagleBayNightSupplies]

Exactly, gain isn't everything. The low gain noiseless picture from Photonis show just as much detail as noisier brighter picture from gen3 🤟

[@bastulainen]

@@EagleBayNightSupplies when your eye adapts to the lower image brightness from the echo can you see as much as you can with the l3 tube?

[@RunningWithSauce]

@@EagleBayNightSupplies I paid for 2 photonis echo tubes in a Vyper housing (Katana) at 2200 min FOM. They came in at 2600 FOM. SNRs of 34. ;) Finally, someone gets it!!

[@Mr_Glenn]

​@@bastulainen it shouldn't be too far off, except in extremely low light, but both units need supplemental IR at roughly the same point. L3 because of noise and Photonis because of the picture getting too dim.

[@aesthetic8780]

​@@Mr_Glenn Exactly.

[@Kevin117]

Thanks for the video

[@qoqooq7456]

Thanks for good info

[@AnteUjcic]

Photonis 4g now that is white phosphor

[@matcha_546]

Hey I saw your previous video on the photonis and are both different photonis tubes or the same one. Because the other one looks a lot more brighter compared to the one on your video

[@EagleBayNightSupplies]

Hi! I am using the same pvs14. It's just two different cameras. One is a smartphone (asus zenfone 8) and one is a Sony A7 ii mirrorless camera. The purpose of the video is to show that you can't trust videos or photos from a smartphone because the smal sensor will choke in the lowlight. The Sony Cameras sensor does roughly have the same sensitivity as the human eye so it gives a more "honest" picture of what the tubes actually looks like😊

[@georgebigr]

photonis is pretty decent all things considered. Its against something like a good elbit XLSH or an L3 filmless that it will get blown out the water. Any specs on these tubes?

[@EagleBayNightSupplies]

Gen3 is Omni 8, they don't specssheets. But it holds its own against quite good compared 2200 FOM filmless I compared it to. The Echo has 1956 FOM. Ofc a subpar commercial tube is gonna be blown out the water by a high end gen3 tube... Quite useless comparison if u ask me🤷🏼‍♂️

[@daepicpigeon3274]

@@EagleBayNightSupplies Ok, but how does the photonis compare to say something like an older omni 6 GP ITT/Harris tube?

[@EagleBayNightSupplies]

@@daepicpigeon3274 I have some pictures of a echo vs Omni 6 comparison. They are about the same. I do also have some pictures comparing a fresh elbit F9518XLSH tube to my echo tube. Where actually the echo wins. Hook me up on Instagram if u are interested in the pictures

[@daepicpigeon3274]

@@EagleBayNightSupplies Whats the @

[@EagleBayNightSupplies]

@@daepicpigeon3274 instagram.com/under_ground_night_vision/

[@eugenijusk]

Compare P43 (green) vs P45(B/W) is not right - green phosphor is at least 25% more sensitive

[@Mr_Glenn]

That shows how good the Photonis really is, doesn't it?

[@awiseseal7559]

Do you think the Echos outperform Katod/Ekran gen 2+ tubes by a lot or not really?

[@EagleBayNightSupplies]

My echo tube performs within 5% of the omni 8 tube in very low light. And it absolutely destroys it in high light. I have done a comparison of a AGM pvs14 with a Russian tube(1600 FOM). And it wasn't even close to my echo with the lowest specs. And that comparison was done high light scenario. The Russian is gonna perform even worse when it gets darker. The Echo does also perform better than katod gen3

[@awiseseal7559]

@@EagleBayNightSupplies Thanks for the info.

[@awiseseal7559]

@@EagleBayNightSupplies Any chance you could compare russian gen 2 and photonis? I'd love to see a visual comparison.

[@EagleBayNightSupplies]

@@awiseseal7559 Sure, I'll try to hook you up within a week.

[@awiseseal7559]

@@EagleBayNightSupplies Thanks.