Gen Z wants a British dictator, and Kemi Badenoch's thoughts on 'peasants' | Podcast

[@ruairihair]

Look at you guys, caring about production quality, for the first time in 111 episodes. V v v proud hahaha

[@BantzFerdinand]

Release the nonce cut

[@icravedeath.1200]

Nice eyeliner♥️♥️

[@rand0mati0n]

10:55 this is bang-on from Ed. Badenoch understood that in the attention economy she needed a controversial hook, but she landed on the wrong term due to incompetence and personal bias. Peasant is a classist term, when the entire point of Reform is to transcend class boundaries through xenophobia and racism. No other movement makes allies of billionaires and minimum wage workers. If she’d said “barbarians”, I think it would have hit exactly how she wanted. Probably a good thing she hasn’t figured this out.

[@Mooglatan]

I'm actually rooting for the Tories at this point so that they can take as much away from Reform as possible.

[@GramdalfFGC]

I feel like Gen Z have grown up entirely in a world where democracy as we know it hasn’t been working. The things that their parents and grandparents got, they’re seeing their older millennial brothers and sisters not getting and the outlook is worse for them. I think it’s natural for them to look at alternatives. Now don’t get me wrong the alternatives are all shit and horrible but I feel like this has been coming a long time because the establishment is too busy looking after itself

[@bojkowski]

Very this!

[@BachTantra]

Gen z are lazy

[@sohosteveuk]

Gen Z need Conscription to give them a swift wake up call regarding the 'joys' of a dictatorship.

[@Prawnsly]

@@BachTantra i think "defeated" is a better word

[@GoldnDusty]

@@sohosteveuk If you think that militarising the youth and inducting them into an organisation with a high propensity for building right wing views, during a time where little active conflict is happening for the UK armed services, thereby insulating them from the horrors of war, I think you've gravely misunderstood why the generation which came out of the war experiencing conscription came out more progressive than they went in.

[@JesusHChrist-q9d]

I call myself 'working class' but I'm a peasant and I'm proud of it.

[@Lawrence4000-s3k]

Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV And you think you're so clever and classless and free But you're still fucking peasants as far as I can see A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be

[@tombrown407]

My ideal state of being in society is a Peasant who their his own land.

[@Steven-ly9ei]

​@@tombrown407peasants have litterally never owned land 😅

[@fumbleBumble82]

I'm working class but I personally see "peasant" as an insult, personally I see peasants as those who have resigned themselves to their social "fate" assigned by the higher classes and are apathetic to the fact that the wealthy are taking the piss out of them. Lining up at the stocks in excitement to throw rotten tomatoes at the immigrants whilst the Farage's of the world sneak off behind them holding bags of cash from all the snake oil they just sold them.

[@marioschristodoulou2390]

Gen Z have literally grown up with media and politicians venerating oligarchs and CEO’s and TV reality shows that portray them as super clever and worldly wise - hardly surprising when they are asked to choose between cuddly Alan Sugar or Kemi Badenoch

[@Dogbertious]

As someone who works from home; it is true that I don't see people when I'm working. I use the time I've saved not having to commute and not needing to worry about getting up earlier in the morning to go be social in non-work settings. If anything I've become more social since I started WFH, as well as generally being healthier because of taking lunchtime walks and going for a run in the time I'd be commuting after work.

[@Gingerninja7921]

This is the key, and needs to be publicised more! There's a reason things like run clubs have taken off. It's an opportunity to find community with people you have stuff in common with rather than just "we have to sit in the same office for 8 hours a day"

[@luigifederici495]

Yeah this was surprisingly tone deaf take. I can bet the vast majority of office workers would task the choice to work from home over being forced into the office.

[@babzo1]

@@Gingerninja7921i totally agree with you on this.

[@curingd]

@@Gingerninja7921 this is literally me - I work from home as a tutor (online or people come to my house) and have joined a running club where I mix with lots of different people of different ages. I think it also helps that I'm a millennial who grew up before the rise of social media and smartphones, so I appreciate how meaningless it is at best and dangerous at worst to be in your own isolated bubble (and expect that of real life).

[@benwad]

This is to be expected from a bunch of young, ambitious people working in a culturally homogenous media company. Some people see work as their 'base', and work in places where everyone shares that outlook, and that's fine. But it doesn't work for everyone. If I had to go into the office to play 'office traitors' I'd hate every second.

[@DINOROAR2912]

Hi, Ed's target audience here. Recent grad that just moved to London from Manchester, I work in the office 5 days a week, and I would have gone insane if not. At the start of my time in this Hellcity (been here about 7 months) the most social interaction I got was at work, still is really. I'm quite fortunate that my office has a fairly large age range and that theres a cohort of 23-28 ish people that I get on with, but as has happened in every job I've had, I've gotten very close with some of the old heads and people that have been in my workplace for decades. Think you've hit on a really good point there about people not being exposed to daily interactions and socialised with "difficult people" and I can really see it in my generation, hell even at Uni my cohort had the sort of insular nature that you're describing. In lecture halls there were very clear small social cliques and people got uncomfortable when faced with someone outside their immediate preferred social circle. I'm very fortunate that I keep a fairly wide social circle back home that I still see and talk to because dear God is it hard to meet people in London

[@luigifederici495]

Work from home (or at least the choice to) is the next big hurdle in worker liberation. You love your office, good for you. Don't force me to waste my time and money going into mine when its entirely unnecessary for me to perform my job.

[@kneighphaen2142]

please guys, i'm a gen z man and i love democracy, woke and drinking. we exist

[@zappybazinga8124]

More nonsense about working from home. It’s the media class’ obsession. Chattering London middle class media. Going into an office in Stoke or Burnley or Blackburn in a regular admin job is not the same as some hipster media company in central London. Working from home makes people’s lives slightly better in many cases. But we can’t have that.

[@0w784g]

Maybe watching the wrong KZbin channel if chattering London middle class hipster media companies not your cup of tea.

[@teabagtowers3823]

Try the Daily Mail instead

[@zappybazinga8124]

@@teabagtowers3823 The daily mail would be the polar opposite- they would be calling people who work from home free loaders. I’m a left wing voter. I enjoy these podcasts but there are times they slip into media London bubbles. We should be encouraging working from home. It shouldn’t be mandatory in many cases people should have choice. But this conversation focussed on a very different reality to that experienced by most people. Take a new graduate outside of London say in the midlands. Their ‘going into the offices’ experience is going to be very different and not likely to be a cure for loneliness in the way that a group of young media hipsters experience in central London. We have weird obsessions with not changing how people work. We should be looking at how we can properly performance review people and accommodate different working patterns as routine not slating new working models as it doesn’t fit our pre conceived ideas. The wealthy are pushing for full office returns not because they care about mental health but because most of their investment is in cities and they want greater footfall. But this is not a good reason.

[@teabagtowers3823]

@zappybazinga8124 I'm a recent graduate that works for a healthcare company just outside London I work hybrid 3 days in office and 2 days at home. You make it sound like working in an office in Burnley is some sort of horrific ordeal. I enjoy going into the office because I'm good friends with a lot of my colleagues and they are not just young 20 something year olds like me. Sometimes we’ll go after works drinks or for meals tell me how that isn't beneficial mentally? If you're constantly just working from home and not going out then yeah I agree with these guys that it can have a negative mental health impact. I'm not saying force and threaten people into the office but don't just say “no your wrong I'm right when it comes to the Politics Joe presenters” when they say they see benefit in going into the office. Beyond just helping some monied landlord that and people who say I can go for a walk when WFH as if that is exclusive to only WFH.

[@zappybazinga8124]

@@teabagtowers3823 The thing is that I’m advocating for choice. I just feel the view becomes very one sided in these conversations. When I graduated it was almost all work in an office. I did it for a long time. Some offices were great to go into but the reality is most did nothing for anyone’s mental health but hurt it and simply added a long commute to everyone’s day and made people less productive. I do think though the choice should be there. I’m not opposed to someone saying I want to work in the office as it helps me. But it’s also the realisation that for many it can be a mental drain and make their lives more miserable. I use things like an office in Burnley simply because many jobs are not in creative industries and involve say accountancy sat in an office of secretaries and admins - many of whom might hate you - many might also be mail readers. Yes it mixes people and I see the argument re echo chambers but I’m not convinced it does a lot of good. Many of these roles don’t involve bouncing ideas off each other or being creative. People are dragged in because Karen has to be there so why shouldn’t everyone? And everyone drives since there is little public transport etc…

[@leahx99]

I think you are quite lucky to have colleagues that you get on really well with. I'm a Software Developer, I work from home and hate being in the office. It's a very male dominated field and being in the office from my experience tends to lead to blatant discrimination because I'm a woman or in some cases it's been worse. I don't think I would still be in this career after 12 years if I couldn't work from home.

[@metropolitanpolice7334]

As a gen Z middle child old enough to vote but not old enough to have read harry potter, I think the authoritarian streak among my generation are just a louder iteration of previous generations blocks of non-voters. talk to any authoritarian leaning person over 30 and ask about their voting history. Those people are thick, they aren't literate in politics and they don't engage in it further than complaining to witherspoons staff about the prime minister of the day. The only difference is my generation's witherspoons is twitter, so instead of being ostracised, they get positive engagement from other authoritarians. They still don't care about politics, they are just angry people, so they won't vote.

[@Pitftw1]

Bang on with the Gen Z wetherspoons being Twitter point

[@jessery475]

The weird part is that in the past that group had a natural mis trust for politicians. They wanted small gov, less interference, more personal liberty. It's so odd to hear about these gen z, having so much faith in politicians that they want to hand total control of their lives over to an authoritarian. It's really weird, what's making think someone with total power over them is going to do good things to them. Why are they so trusting? Their millennial parents were too nice to them?

[@jasonhaven7170]

That gives me hope

[@joeandrews4282]

this is actually very insightful

[@barnaclefelching4079]

If you're right my heart will sing

[@tackleberry6442]

As a Dad born in 1976 with a 16 year old son, i have tought him loads about WW2. I found films the easy way in with the likes of "Saving private Ryan" and "Dunkirk" being easy start before moving to "Shindlers List". Also lots of visits to museums such as Tank museum and Bleachly Park.

[@keycuz]

As a dad born in 1985 with a 16 year old son, I made sure my son knows Russia and China made the biggest sacrifices during WW2, while the yanks profiteered arming both sides and ended up employing the smartest nazis. Don't get to hear much of that in Hollywood movies.

[@charleys9417]

I worked full time in a busy office for three years fresh out of uni. I also worked retail and customer service on and off for about a decade. Didn't realise it at the time because I just thought that was how work was meant to be, but in hindsight it.was.hell. The mental pressure of being forced to be social all day led to me having daily breakdowns in the toilets. I'm an introvert who can pretend to be an extrovert with quite a lot of success, but I find that social interaction so draining. Working from home means I only have to interact with people on a limited basis around a planned schedule and it's been so beneficial for my mental clarity. I'm married but my husband goes to a separate office away from home, so I'm by myself from 9-4 except for Teams calls. It means I still have energy left to go and do social interactions with family and friends in the evenings and at weekends. It also hasn't been a detriment to my career progression as I've had one formal promotion and three pay rises in less than three years. I haven't taken a single sick day in that time and I turn up to work every day motivated and happy to be at work, which is the total opposite of my experience being in the office. I go into the office one day a month now to comply with my organisation's hybrid policy and I dread it because I know my productivity will tank and it will take me days to get my energy levels back up. If the type of work allows it, I think everyone should have the option to decide if they work better in the office or at home and pick the best option for them. As long as the work gets done, why does it matter if we are in the office or not? Also the point I never hear mentioned is the benefits of remote working for the Levelling Up agenda (if that's even still a thing). I live in an area with very few opportunities for graduates outside teaching and the NHS. Remote working has allowed me to get a high-paying job while continuing to live in my rural area, giving me more power to contribute to the local economy. Imagine if you didn't have to leave your hometown and move to the big city to access a well-paying, interesting job? That becomes a possibility with remote working

[@alundavies1016]

My Dad called, lovingly, his mother a peasant. She was born into a family home which only had an earth floor. All her family were tenant labourers, working for the local landowner on his farms, and living in an overcrowded house with an outside toilet paying him part of their wages in rent. She still voted Tory, because if she had a cap to wear, she would have doffed it to the man in the tweed and brogues at Church every week. It is this slavish response that galled my father, this insidious inferiority that some have to the bloated wealthy hoarders in this country that holds us back. It starts with Royals and their “magic blood” Lords still getting a say in our politics, invisible landlords and business desperately trying to undo labour laws. Don’t get me started on the Tories allowing the NHS and schools to just melt away. We need a proper Revolution in this country.

[@SymunTee]

Are these two really undermining the idea of worker choice and flexibility. There are a lot of reasons people would choose to work from home, hidden disabilities, more efficient work for them, etc Letting the barons mind worms work their way in

[@lunchymunchy2984]

The shadows of the chair legs make it look like Ed is wearing a kilt

[@bobby9791]

Remember that Gen Z and all other generations are a product of the ones before them. Maybe look at what we’ve done wrong for them to have this attitude.

[@enciam9791]

I actually agree with Ava that Thatcher isn't an example of 4-5 year terms being enough time to reshape the political landscape. I think Thatcher is an example that proves Ava's point, since her neoliberal transformation was centred on the idea that the state should get out of the way and let private industry run the show. The forces she unleashed to reshape the country and the idea she fostered that governments should be relegated to being promoters of markets and servants of corporations not people are two big factors in why it's impossible for any government to make a similar meaningful change in one or two terms of parliament. She was also only able to enact that change because the groundwork was already laid by economists, think tanks, corporations etc and the geopolitical landscape (Reagan and the perceived failure of Keynesianism). Causing a similar paradigm shift is an impossibility these days for any government. I think this is one of the reasons why the left are more sceptical of liberal democracy than liberals and why perhaps the zoomers who want a revolution to completely restructure society are right...

[@robertmccann9631]

If your reading around the troubles democracy should really be a big deal. My dad couldn't vote in council elections until he was 21 because you could only vote in council elections in Northern Ireland if you owned property until the early 70s. Landlords got as many votes as properties they owned and renters couldn't vote.

[@LBandCOOLJ]

Great ep guys - the yellow submarine stuff had me dying 😂

[@jnielson1121]

Ed - don't underestimate your gay fans. Ed has a respectful gay following whereas Eva doesn't have a gay following...

[@GoldnDusty]

That "People Mentioned" list is fucking wild EDIT - I'm fully with Ava on the Yellow Submarine thing. I love that song, but it's wild. Also, as to Ed's counter that Hey Jude would be basic - I dunno man, I think Yellow Submarine's a basic pick, it's just fucking mental. Sure, it's not Blackbird, or Day Tripper, or Back in the USSR, but Hey Jude is *as* basic as Yellow Submarine, and not an unhinged answer for the leader of the opposition to give.

[@counterpicky]

Also worth noting that in the same interview, Reeves was there who responded first with Hey Jude. And the fact that no-one seems to know this kinda proves that woulda gone down just fine. Maybe Kemi was gonna say that and freaked out when she got beat to it, and panicked thinking she couldn't be seen to agree with Reeves, so went with the next song she could think of lmao. Then again Tories often prove themselves to be cultureless so just as likely it's the only one she knows.

[@GoldnDusty]

@@counterpicky That's *such* a Kemi Badenoch scenario. Dollars to donuts, her thought process wasn't "They'll say I'm copying" but was instead "Well I can't be seen to agree with her..." EDIT - you're bloody right as well, because she has a well-earned reputation as a contrarian and didn't even have a contrary answer. Like, if she were truly committed to being contrary and well-versed in the subject, she'd have a prepped answer, and not default to something within the framework of the question. In her position I'd say something like Kokomo by the Beach Boys, because it'd be layered. Firstly, Beach Boys, nodding to the Beatles' competition, and the fact that the Beach Boys had a much longer career by referencing a hit from the late 80s. You'd get flak for picking an American band, but it'd demonstrate your knowledge of the music history. Absolutely devoid of culture, to the point that her being contrary is actively boring. It's bleak.

[@joelfrancis2111]

I've worked from an office for one job. I now work remotely. I'd rather work in the catering industry than ever have to go back into the office.

[@Ballbagsaggins]

Yeah, I suppose it depends on the job but I've been working from home since 2020 and have to go in to the office once a month. That serves as a Monthly reminder that I much prefer working from home.

[@bryanv1681]

While the banter at the start of the podcast is all well and good, can we get chapters on these videos? Sometimes, if I want to hear about a topic, I'd like to get right to that content. Thanks.

[@Jacorpes]

I work full-time from home, but my company has an office I go into about once a month and that day is usually 90% just hanging out, chatting, then going to the pub. I worked at the same company full time in an office for 2 years pre pandy and I much prefer this working from home setup, no question. I just have way more energy and time after work to hang out with non-work friends, go to gigs, cinema, comedy and stuff. I think it helps that my wife also works from home so there's always someone to talk to.

[@pigeonmaster1]

Ed? Queerbaiting? You mean he isn't gay??? I am a gay in America and I go wild for Ed Campbell. He and Ava Santina are why I watch PolJoe

[@CityOfTinyLines]

I'm writing a fan fiction about those two.

[@joeleaton8752]

On the work from home point - I am a millennial and I do 3/4 days in the office and it’s purely down to feeling lonely and isolated working from home

[@SymunTee]

Ava went full boomer talking about the notion of a Gen Z rise up... Cant tell if it was deliberate 😂

[@creativeusername3408]

No meaningful difference between dictatorship and oligarchy anyway

[@guyquartermaine2685]

Yes, there is...unless the interests of the oligarchy are completely aligned, which doesn't sound very realistic. Both are bad, but there is a difference.

[@creativeusername3408]

@ The Oligarchs ARE all aligned. They all have the same goal, to make profit at the behest of the public. And it has worked, the transfer of wealth from the many to the few has succeeded

[@guyquartermaine2685]

@creativeusername3408 it is true that they can be and are often relatively aligned. But they could never be completely aligned, as in a dictatorship, particularly over time. I'm not defending oligarchy, I just don't think there's much point in saying two bad things are bad in exactly the same way, when they're not. Won't help anything.

[@creativeusername3408]

@@guyquartermaine2685 I want to point to the fact that we don’t live in a democracy. No matter who you vote for, they are controlled by the same people. I’m not advocating for dictatorship, I’m giving you the reason why people don’t care anymore

[@guyquartermaine2685]

@creativeusername3408 that is fair enough, and I agree with you. If I'm being pendantic, it's only because I think the way some people (not accusing you, here) shout facism, for example, at every little thing they see of a vaguely right of centre flavour - which they don't personally agree with, is not helpful - and will probably end up contributing to some ghastly political arrangement in the future. The more honest conversations we can have in this country, the better - and the more people we can include in the polity ( and some people are, admittedly so extreme, that they can't be) the better, in the long run, it will be. But I agree with you, both pure dictatorship, or a self-interested collection of oligarchs, are ghastly destinations, in their different ways. And an oligarchy would probably end up in a dictatorship, eventually, anyway.

[@sockwithaticket]

The way you guys make swingeing generalisations about the negatives of work from home is insane. It's absolute bliss for many introverted or neurodivergent people. Full time wfh in a cramped flatshare might suck for some, but it 's also deeply unnecessary. It frees people up to pursue cheaper accommodation elsewhere in the country. If they prefer a city or big town centre, then fine, but that's a choice wfh gives them whereas now a lot of people don't have the choice.

[@icravedeath.1200]

Exactly, these lefty groups have a habit of chronically under-acknowledging issues involving disabled people.

[@foldingglint1514]

Jesus christ what an overreaction. They aren't prescribing anyone to work from home or go into the office, they are talking about their own experience and how they found it. They say it would be good for people in other situations, the example given being families but you can extend that to disabled people or anyone's personal situation that has bearing.

[@icravedeath.1200]

@foldingglint1514 giving some perspective and not being so stuck up and ignorant about it would be a better look.

[@foldingglint1514]

@@icravedeath.1200 they give perspective. It just comes across as if you are annoyed that they enjoy their workplace.

[@GoldnDusty]

@foldingglint1514 I think the overreaction is somebody saying "Jesus christ," to what is relatively mild criticism, and largely just meant to be a perspective put forward. Ava and Ed themselves have both expressed that they can generalise on the pod because it makes for more engaging content to disagree. That's correct. As is this comment.

[@slovely8]

Really interesting point from Ava regarding WFH about becoming insular. I became disabled during the pandemic, having previously been very social and working in a community nursing team. I am now unable to work and am mostly housebound and this really resonated with me feeling very insular and stuck at home, hadnt really considered how people WFH may feel similar.

[@dananskidolf]

"I'm not much of a Beetles fan, my favourite song is by Ministry - it goes "Peasants, you're peasants, you're peasants, you fucking suck.""

[@benadams6019]

Day 94 of asking for a production team microphone.

[@Steglasaurus]

Ava makes a great point, and it encapsulates the issue here. The people that responded to the polls likely haven’t done much critical thinking behind their answers. It’s a rare trait nowadays…

[@benedictionkupo]

i work from home full time and while its very cosy, at times it can be quite lonely yeah. a 30 second commute beats a 30 minute commute though. i can be logged off and in bed for a nap within a minute, hard to give that up!

[@danrattigan96]

I don’t understand their hostility to it

[@hdushshs3263]

Please please please start putting chapters in🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@tenglish_]

12:46 Ed reaffirms his views on Stupid Gays 29:12 Ava plugs Reform 41:01 Rigorous nonce chat

[@DrAshaphim]

One of the best endings in a long time, honestly, in stitches (It's gotta be 'Yesterday')

[@tbrooke3016]

Gaining access to the backend of a website without EXPLICIT permission would probably be breaking the computer misuse act 😅

[@matthewkeating5963]

I agree with Ed about going to the office. I've been retired now for 5 years, and the one thing I really miss is the social interaction.

[@FanaticalTactician]

I work from home most of the week and I enjoy it because I get incredibly anxious around big crowds. A lot of my hobbies involve me sitting at my desk as well but that doesn't stop me from occasionally leaving the house, mainly for the gym but also to be somewhat social. I don't have a huge capacity for social interaction so at some point, I have to leave. Doesn't help that most of my beliefs and interests are completely counter to my family and their friends who regularly visit so social interaction is a lot more work than it really should be.

[@kokunaijin]

To be overly generous to Badenoch, I live in Japan as an immigrant and I feel that every country should offer a kind of "Immigrant College" that focuses on Language, Local Culture, and skills needed at the time for the host country. I know people who would love that opportunity here in Japan. It could offer a recognised qualification and eligibility for a skilled worker visa, rather than just assessing people and saying OK or nope. They could take that qualification elsewhere, or choose to remain, being fully prepared for life there and a sense of achievement and pride. Although made in a really distasteful way, this kind of conversation could lead to ideas of how to better welcome people with different backgrounds into the host country.

[@kevteop]

I live alone and work from home, have done since Covid. It took some getting used to but I wouldn't want to give it up now. I would appreciate a couple of days a week in the office but we don't actually have an office any more.

[@AndrewMcColl]

40:20 And this is why we make a point of taking our niece and nephew to the war memorial floor of the Auckland Museum every time we visit. It's not all WW2 either, they cover the New Zealand Wars of the mid-1800's through till today, but they do have a full size Spitfire and Zero, and the walls are lined with the names of locals who died during WW1 (including my great great uncle). They get the full experience. And then we pop downstairs to the Volcano House to have a giggle at all the people experiencing it for the first time.

[@jeff__w]

Well, to her credit, Kemi Badenoch is relatively unfiltered and says what she thinks. The problem, of course, is _what_ she thinks.

[@mateobartra1502]

Ava’s raises a really interesting question. If deregulation has effects in the short term, while interventionist policies do on the long term (bc only the state can work on those time frames) then right-wing/libertarian governments are better suited for short parliaments by nature of their ideology.

[@Bob_Lennart]

37:47 Agrophobic is what Kemi Badenoch is. Fear of peasants

[@1pauljs]

It is the exact opposite of catching Road Runner. Joe is the fish that jumps on your boat.

[@Steglasaurus]

History class at school for many is when national propaganda begins. I get Ed’s point about gen Z parents… but it’s their responsibility to have conversations about history with their children. Give them the tools to ask questions and to think about what they see in the world around them. If we do that as a collective, we’ll stand a chance.

[@casey2782]

I have fairly bad anxiety, so when I got my first job, which was WFH, I saw it as a lifeline. I didn't think-and still don't think-I could be relied upon to be in the office every weekday without being completely overwhelmed sometimes and getting myself fired. But honestly, as convenient as it has been, WFH has been detrimental to my Men's Mental Health. I can be very sociable, but I revert to my introvertive ways quickly. It's at the point where I'm barely leaving the house a few times a week; it's like I've been desocialised. I think WFH is a good thing generally, but there are certain people-certain personality types-for whom it doesn't work well full-time, and I think I'm in that category.

[@0w784g]

Yeah WFH will be the next social disaster engineered by the left.

[@gregorious1884]

Do enjoy the podcast even the torturous bits! Achieved my gold star

[@rossconnell8838]

La Via Campesina is a good place to understand the terminology and language around discussing "Peasant Farmers". I think you discussion on Kemi's interview would be improved with awareness around this

[@tersecwalsingham5778]

'People will be lonely working at home'. Don't worry about me thanks. If bosses weren't happy with the arangement then it wouldn't be happening... Lets do more community focused stuff to get people out of the house and their bubble? Let's get unemployed young people in paid positions caring for old people? Nah let's just do what's in the interests of the owners and get back to the office... It's a marginal gain for the worker and here are two workers crying about it, That's serf-like behavior.

[@sulla4786]

Being as Kemi is in politics I would have thought "The Long and Winding Road" would be a prefect choice

[@billyb7852]

Call centres should be mandatory WFH though, recent Xmas temp here. It’s so so much worse in an office, WFH makes it bearable.

[@MickG-e3g]

What a sad, sad thing to find out on National Holocaust Day

[@Tom_murray89]

Very sad indeed

[@0w784g]

It's not that sad surely? At least half of people have less than average intellect, 1 in 5 people living in the UK were born abroad, mostly parts of the world that don't care about Europe. I'm suprised the number who are ignorant isn't much higher.

[@DogWick]

I'm disappointed in GenZ wanting a dictatorship, look at the daily life in Russia and how little free speech they have. I would take intervals of bad and good PM's than roll the dice on a terrible one for decades.

[@0w784g]

I'm not. When the status quo fails people for so long, what do you expect will happen? Policy has been bad for a long time in Britain, but since Blair put the basics out of reach of ordinary folk, this has been inevitable.

[@Englander284]

WE HAVE NO FREE SPEECH HERE, UNDER KIER STALIN. KIER IS WORSE THAN VLADIMIR BECAUSE VLADIMIR ACTUALLY CARES FOR HIS COUNTRY, STARMER CARES NOT FOR OUR COUNTRY BUT ALL OTHERS!

[@Mooglatan]

I mean my take on this is yeah they're wrong, OBVIOUSLY, but can you blame them that much?

[@Marz2695]

Ed's not gay? Dreams crushed

[@albertbrammer9263]

Seen as how I have been unable to find anything about the Survey other than Channel 4 commissioned it and it will be published on 30th Jan, we only have the headline. I want to know if it was online or by phone? I want to know how they confirmed the age of respondents? I want to know the questions asked. On Reddit, a site with a lot of Gen Z they are outraged.

[@icravedeath.1200]

Exactly, we don't know if it was horrendously biased or not because we don't know the polling numbers.

[@albertbrammer9263]

Was the term dictator used? I would suggest given the only dictators they know are Hitler, Mussolini, Putin and Kim Jong-Un, I would suggest the terms used were about people would could deal with problems without having to go through a Parliament.

[@TheValeyard92]

​@@albertbrammer9263I doubt most of Gen Z would know Mussolini, tbh.

[@jonathanmarkham1998]

@@TheValeyard92Agreed, Mussolini seems a bit out there compared to the other three. I reckon a few wouldn’t even know Putin.

[@Soraviel]

​​@@TheValeyard92are you sure lol? They blindly want autocracy, what makes you think they know Mussolini 😂 ?

[@glodglodson7710]

Great episode, there’s no right answer to what’s your favourite Beatles song? But can we agree yellow submarine is the wrong answer

[@AlexAndersxn]

Grad, just moved to London, WFH 5/5 and its a killer for the menty health.

[@sohosteveuk]

Could be time to bring back Conscription. Starting with Gen Z - they'll 'adore' their lack of personal freedom 🤡

[@JoshNPK]

I work from home 5 days a week, my job is just a crappy office job. The best thing about it is I can skive off and spend more of my time working on my dreams and things to enrich and benefit my own life instead of having to spend my time working on my bosses dreams. Because I'm at home I'm able to bunk off and spend an hour practicing 3d modeling in Blender or learning C# so I can start my own independent video game company. I'm also breeding succulents and am in the process of setting up a company selling succulent's online. I couldn't have done any of this and be in a position to hopefully be able to give up my shitty office job if it wasn't for working from home 5 days a week. Ironically I'm more productive as well cause I know I have to smash my work off for the next two hours lets say so I can bunk off for an hour. When I was in the office I like everyone else didn't want to be there so I did the absolute minimum work I had to do and would frequently go look at my phone in the toilet, talk to people I don't really like about shit I don't care about just so I didn't have to go back to my desk, which as you can imagine isn't very productive. It is very lonely even though I have a wife and three kids but i'd rather be lonely for a bit and know I'm working towards a better life than interact with people but be stuck in some shit office environment that's just like school and have to waste my time working on someone else's problems instead of my own. Point being I think it depends on your career and circumstances in life.

[@lachlandunn2137]

I thought the book with the face on the cover was Laura at first glance

[@albertbrammer9263]

Anything about the white, Glasgow gang from Bad Enoch, Farage, Tommy ten-names or Elon Musk? Thought not.

[@PoliticsJOE]

Well this was recorded before the conviction today was handed down, but the opening four words always stand

[@English_lifestyles]

You'll note that there was no cover-up by the Police, no hushing up from the Council and Social Services and the victims weren't ignored for decades. That's the difference. Bleating whataboutery like this achieves nothing. The Glasgow gang were, quite rightly, investigated, arrested and charged immediately so there's no need to highlight any issue of a cover-up. Are you really that dense?

[@0w784g]

Tell me, did the police, the local authority, social services and whole ethnic communities know about them for decades before actually doing anything about it?

[@SymunTee]

This, "well my working from the office experience is good and i have a friend who is lonely at home" arguement against freedom of choice is very boomer of you both

[@andreashofmeyr9583]

I think she's pretending to argue we should be able to use "peasant" in the dictionary sense of the word but she fails to understand (absurdly) that in this country and in the context of colonial history, the term is inherently derogatory. And she probably holds to the latter sense of the word.

[@RR-fy5sn]

I don’t think these 2 understand their own country’s history when it comes to immigration post WW2, Britain needed a lot of young men and they leaned heavily on rural villages that are still to this day feudal-style communities and specifically in the Kashmir/mirpur areas in Pakistan where there were many young males who were willing/desperate enough to go to another country and live as second class citizens(20th century UK). There’s a clear difference between the kinds of immigrants the US pulls (where their kids or even themselves can have much more based on their education)from the subcontinent vs the UK. Inability to acknowledge this means you aren’t even attempting to engage with the issue

[@TheMagicJIZZ]

Did the UK actually need that many immigrants in the 50s? Post 48? Because we imported people we gave independence then immediately rhe factories ane mills collapsed due to energy or labour costs and overseas imports took over I understand in the NHS but did the working class towns really benefit because of " industry needs"

[@diabl2master]

44:10 Did Ed really miss that point?

[@aarongilchrist9373]

Why did I know what was going to come next after "what's that song that goes..."

[@audiebridge3103]

Haven't watched yet, just want to say that as a zoomer myself, the only people I know who seem like they'd be the most comfortable with having a dictator are significantly older than me. However, I am borderline millennial, so maybe it's younger gen z that this applies to, assuming it is accurate at all.

[@Bobthepragmatist]

Looking forward to Johnathan Pie’s take on the peasants comment.

[@EamonCoyle]

I have a mixed opinion about illegal immigrants in the sense that the UK has created circumstances where people who want to claim asylum here are severely limited without this route currently. If the UK had options for asylum to be claimed and processed via central Embassies and/or by building a processing centre in France which has already been agreed to there should be no reason for people to attempt illegal entry and as an island that can be stopped. At the point when the UK made the above options available I would fully support an iron-fisted policy towards those crossing on small boats etc !!

[@monkeymox2544]

I partially agree with you, in that we need more international cooperation and infrastructure around the migrant crisis, but having an 'iron fisted policy' would 1) be illegal under international law - the means by which someone enters the country is not relevant to their eligibility to apply for refugee status - and 2) is pointless, right-wing-media-bating nonsense. So few immigrants cross in small boats, they just aren't a problem. I'm personally more worried about the fact that we have to import hundreds of thousands of people on visas, because we can't offer good enough working conditions or pay for British people to do certain jobs, and haven't trained enough people to do others.

[@EamonCoyle]

@@monkeymox2544 Iron-fisted would probably be a headline grabber I would say. What I mean is that if the options are all available without people needing to come via illegal routes and that are caught should be returned to their home without being able to make any claims of any kind !!

[@EamonCoyle]

@@monkeymox2544 One of my additional thoughts on people who do gain asylum is that for the first 12-18 months people not otherwise skilled and capable of working should be added to a public works programme for areas such as agriculture and similar required services. Gives those people who do come legally access to money and gives UK workers when and where they need !!

[@Lawrence4000-s3k]

The reason no-one does it at embassies is because the number of applications would be absolutely enormous. Ilm not sure the French, either, would want anything that would attract migrants into France (what happens if the UK refuses?)

[@EamonCoyle]

@@Lawrence4000-s3k France already offered them the land in Calais to build a processing centre.....

[@BarryDiegoLondon-cy9ij]

Gays in the UK love Ed too ❤

[@cliftonbland1578]

"In living memory there was a time where you lot thought that people of different skin colours couldn't use the same water fountain"? No!! It was a situation that we inherited. Who do you think changed that?

[@turbokadett]

It's only an idle thought but perhaps the election term could be lengthened to 8-10 years but the party in power can't be re-elected? I'd much prefer proportional representation to avoid the wild swings in governments and contrary policies.

[@niiflinstone23]

First time listener here. Is laughing all he does?

[@cipherhex]

0:39, What was that, Eva? "Debate it on the..." *what*?! Get ready for another C&D!

[@localshaman]

How many signatures to debate the best starter Pokemon?

[@PoliticsJOE]

One

[@PoliticsJOE]

Its Mudkip

[@CustardCream515]

@@PoliticsJOE Based

[@samuelmoore668]

@@PoliticsJOE false it's deerling cuck

[@GoldnDusty]

Your honour, PolJoe are cooking

[@MrNUKECOW]

I didn't appreciate Studio Boy's attitude.

[@TheMatioman]

I didn't think I could be surprised by Kemi's stupidity and complete lack of self-awareness, but there you go. She is truly awful in every possible way, and i'll be surprised if she makes it to the local elections. She

[@Nyder77]

Ed's view that the U.K. isn't quite obsessed enough with World War II is... goodness me. Anyway - "A strong leader who doesn't have to bother with elections" is a fuzzy phrasing. It could be a leader who is sufficiently popular that elections are a formality, for example. It's a particularly loaded phrasing after a period of 3 elections in 4 years, followed by 3 different PMs in a 5-year period. It also reads more as a thought experiment than an actual proposal. Frankly, based on that phrasing and the immediate conclusion of YOUNG PEOPLE WANT A DICTATORSHIP!!!!, I don't trust a single thing that survey says.

[@WilliamRobinson-o4h]

I just want to be light brown without someone wanting me dead...Is that OK? Can I be light brown and not be seen as literally destroying everything in Europe? It's been 39 years of this shit...Christ (I'm 39).

[@samsowden]

you're going to have to find your own replacement scapegoat first.

[@ILikedGooglePlus]

Okay but like, you did break my oven

[@0w784g]

Seems a bit egotistical to think you personally are what people are worried about.

[@enemywithin1295]

Boo fucking hoo

[@Englander284]

boo hoo

[@MaxTrogmore42]

I say release The PoloticsJoe Drill Track

[@ravenofra1114]

Ava ripping into my favourite betels song :(

[@selfpityingslogan]

imagine if Kemi came out and her favourite song was 'Maxwell's Silver Hammer', that would be the bold choice - she's clearly a coward & hasn't the chops for politics ! ! !

[@chrisc9421]

I think the 4x4 haters are the Trye Extinguishers.

[@matthewparkes2336]

1st of you call him Studio Peasant, working from home as a dramtic effect on my mental health, i feel lonely and isolated even through my wife works from home. Yes its a lot easier with childcare but personally for me its not great

[@wesleyleigh8590]

Speaking of peasants, the adoration of billionaires by right wingers and calling Elon musk a genius even though he can barely compose sentences is the most peasant like of any modern demographic

[@eatonmje27]

Was Politics Joe invented to get Middle Schoolers interested in politics?

[@zombiespaz1]

Wtf is the world we live in

[@mathewadams4094]

I would say on the session length of parliament "too long, too short, or just right" to get anything done. Maybe it's the electoral system that's the problem. If it was more proportional even if you "lose "an election as a party (go from lead in a coalition to minor player) you still may retain some power and can claim a large term capital project as a thing you did. Just a thought maybe that's not how it would work :p

[@High_Lord_Of_Terra]

I'm gen X born in the late 70s with a 20 and 17 year old. I don't think you know us as well as you think you do.

[@llspoondogg5400]

I always get Gold stars.

[@clario2178]

People are sick of nepotism

[@grey-yem]

I am lonely

[@carelesshx]

Why does it take 15 years to lay some tarmac?

[@Dogbertious]

In the case of Heathrow expansion, it's a lot more than 'just' laying some tarmac. The best plan they've got for the next runway involves demolishing a lot of housing (which complicates matters as you need to empty those properties, pull them down, remove all the rubble, remove all stuff *underneath* them like sewers, gas mains etc etc), rerouting existing local roads, building new terminal & airport facilities to support the new runway (plus accompanying water/power infrastructure) and the tiny obstacle of burying a section of the M25 beneath the new runway (which itself is a major civil engineering project, as that will require digging up the existing road surface for a fair distance either side of the runway, digging down to the required level, pouring lots of concrete to allow the runway to be built over it, then rebuilding the motorway, all while all the traffic using that stretch has to go....somewhere. For years). It's almost as if there's lots of very good reasons why Heathrow hasn't expanded aside from 'pure' environmental reasons like reducing carbon emissions.

[@nev3i]

as gen z, we are taught A LOT about WW2... I think people are just too brain-rotted from tiktok to piece it together

[@alanrogers9597]

Peasants are revolting ?