General Wii Fit Trainer Tech and Tips (Smash Utimate)

Here' s a quick guide video I toiled to create despite not having my capture card with me on this trip! I had to do a bunch of 4 minute matches and then convert them all to videos and crop them down. As a result, the quality isn't quite as good as I would like, but I hope you find the video helpful anyway!
Join the Wii Fit Trainer Mains server for loads of tips and health-related shenanigans: / discord
(You don't have to be a wii fit player to join)
Music used:
Curl Up Into A Ball by Joey Pecoraro
/ curl-up-into-a-ball
Bright by Marquinch Mogule
marquinchmogul...
sunny days in Lisbon by j'san
dreameasyco.ba...
-invy

[@dreond33]

Thank you for this invy! Could you do a video showcasing combos or follow ups from grabs? I was playing around a little bit while I was practicing all the ball cancels (ty for that too btw), and I found this simple follow up with back throw, where you can immediately do a header to someone that you just grabbed and back-throwed and hit them in the ground with the ball. The ball bounces back to you and if you move slightly to the direction where you threw the person, you can catch the ball with another header and hit them again. This works only with low percentages because otherwise the throw throws them too far. I'm not sure how useful this is in competitive play but jut thought it would be interesting to experiment with throws and follow ups from those.

[@ideallyinvy]

I'll be making a video with throw combos eventually! That setups sounds interesting, I'll have to take a look at it sometime

[@briancross2561]

The sliding attacks seem pivotal. Gonna definitely use this to push through with my movement.

[@ideallyinvy]

It seems *pivotal* huh? 👁️

[@grotn_]

Thank you Invy, very cool.

[@shashanksangireddy3878]

How did I not realize that dair was so good? This answers my question about wft's pressure game

[@marcogarcia7944]

Same

[@sweetsummerschild]

Thanks, this is just the kind of video I needed right now. I had Wii Fit as a longtime secondary in 4, but I'm loving her changes so much in ultimate I main her this time. I have a question about crouching in Ultimate, I haven't investigated it but have tried in matches a few times... In 4 Wii Fit had some interesting crouch movements and momentum quirks and I was wondering if you knew if they were still in or if there is anything newer you've noticed she can do with crouch. Also can you crouch at any time from a dash or running? Or would it be best to utilize her fast walking speed and DB walking speed?

[@ideallyinvy]

Unfortunately crawl speed was made consistent in Ultimate, thus removing all the weird stuff like sashimi wiggling. You should be able to crouch out of dash just fine, I should have showcased that in the video

[@Sinogara]

go collaborate ^^

[@jakewoodruff101]

Not only was the video super helpful but i found someone else who knows Joey Pecoraro. ^_^

[@rjsbored]

Great tech video man! I gotta learn all of these

[@exit8780]

Thank you so much for this bro

[@breakfast6723]

Thank you Invy, very cool

[@ideallyinvy]

You're welcome President Trump

[@adamklasfeld-uv9fb]

Came to smash, stayed to lo-fi.

[@ShellShockedSSB]

Awesome great job

[@MoFiTheMagnificent]

great music

[@nullhare]

I've seen WFT mains do an instant header off ledge. Unlike the pull back, header while hanging off the ledge. Is there a name for that technique so I can look it up and learn it?

[@inkeevee9539]

Back ball: f-smash after canceled ball

[@itsdi113]

is it bad that I can't even do short hops and that I call myself a Wii fit trainer main

[@Aryafortis]

Awesome video, I've learned new things. It's nice to see another player who uses the Male Wii Fit Trainer, and the Green one too!

[@ideallyinvy]

Best alt 👀

[@chowderheadedyokel]

How is it when you’re hanging on a ledge you can do a quick soccer header?

[@ideallyinvy]

I don't know exactly what you're referring to, but if you start header right as you grab the ledge ball will come out and then you'll grab the ledge

[@yun1cornz]

Nice video

[@jump7holes]

Ooooo nice

[@Devon__]

Godly 😍

[@BrezHurley]

Joey Pecoraro is great

[@vespertineSSB]

as im learning more and improving with WFT, this video came at the perfect time!!! thanks a lot

[@ideallyinvy]

Glad I could help!

[@jeannemaku]

Great video

[@mrpepero]

thanks for telling me but what buttons do i press. this is the problem with these tutorials

[@danmightbetheman]

how do you cancel the header in the air and not go into special fall???

[@ideallyinvy]

It's a tech called headwhiffing, if you use header right after getting launched by a strong enough attack, you'll miss the ball, allowing you to hit it with something else. I plan to make a guide on the tech in the future as well!

[@ideallyinvy]

@@Pastamancer_119 due to the changes in ball physics, certain headwhiff setups are much faster, and thus much more safe and viable as a consistent option

[@ideallyinvy]

@@Pastamancer_119 join the server in the description and maybe we'll play sometime 👀

[@Waluigik13]

Great video. Just wondering. What stick sensitivity do you use with Wii fit? I've been labbing with Low recently and I would love to get your take on it.

[@ideallyinvy]

I haven't really played around with it much, so I just use normal. I also use tap jump so I'd probably have to make a lot of adjustments if I changed the sensitivity

[@jaqf]

@@ideallyinvy this kid on god uses tap jump what the fit?

[@ideallyinvy]

@@jaqf what the fit indeed The only time it ever really restricted me was in smash 4 when I couldn't really do the footstool death combo, but since it's not a thing anymore I'm all set

[@user-et3xn2jm1u]

Does RAR fair hit the ground? It seems like non-RAR fair is only good for pressuring platforms due to the awkward diagonal up hitbox, but the RAR foot hitbox could maybe threaten to shieldpoke? edit: also subb'd for playing my fav Ultimate character :)

[@ideallyinvy]

It should connect against most characters yeah. You can also land the front hit if you're landing with it, but yes it is better with platforms and in juggling/edgeguarding situations

[@forsaken696]

I’m new to smash and don’t understand the sun salutation jumps

[@shoosh316]

what about side b??? i dont know which one's are useful ;-;

[@praytoskate1]

Can’t get the timing for the sun salutation jump lag cancel, what is the timing/ is it still possible?

[@ideallyinvy]

You have to make sure you jump a little bit before you actually land, the timing feels kinda weird but once you get it you got it

[@juddlebot2146]

Ty for the tips 😊

[@ideallyinvy]

I hope they help ^^

[@xi0mara44]

I really wanna learn how the Sun Salutation Movement. I've been seeing that to very good WFT mains. Please upload a separation video on how to do it step by step. Thanks for sharing this btw.

[@ideallyinvy]

I'll keep the topic in mind for a future video ^^

[@Shinanaghins]

When you are talking about the shorthop segments, is this shorthop with the new input that they added of jump and attack at the same time or just normal shorthops

[@ideallyinvy]

I don't really pay attention to which method I use, but whatever gets the moves out fast enough to autocancel should be fine

[@vesperpool]

great vid! was there a vid i missed about header cancel in the air? I wanna learn ball stomping in the air but not sure how to do it

[@ideallyinvy]

I believe I talk about it in this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/b6q0Zpd5mtpmn5I

[@sheafit28]

Do you generally recommend smash stick or tilt stick?

[@ideallyinvy]

Definitely tilt stick, wii fit Trainer doesn't really get anything out of smash

[@wolvemaster2693]

You are really good do you have a discord?

[@ideallyinvy]

@invy#7828

[@wolvemaster2693]

@@ideallyinvy dang your reply was faster than me subing to you

[@MisterBeees]

This is not necessarily a wii fit tech thing, but any tips on getting fast dash attacks to come out more consistently? Seems like all too often I'll go for a dash attack and smash instead which can be pretty disastrous haha

[@ideallyinvy]

I don't really have any specific tips, just go into training mode and practice until you get it. Make sure that you input your attack a decent amount after you start your dash

[@RyutaaKuzunoha]

Jarred Bowers I’m pretty sure that if you use the C stick (set to tilts) You can’t misinput a dash attack. As long you dash a long enough distance.

[@ideallyinvy]

@@RyutaaKuzunoha yea that's what I use ^

[@user-du7yg7wp4n]

how do you do ball plays like canceling the ball and hitting it

[@ideallyinvy]

Press shield after starting header

[@trainwreckcatalysts3809]

How the hell do you header cancel lmao

[@Chinchi0123]

1:55 this is mastery

[@tobygoebeler3991]

Do you know if crouch can go under grabs too? Or is it mostly useful for avoiding projectiles?

[@ideallyinvy]

It varies per character. Many aerials and regular attacks can be sucked as well

[@tobygoebeler3991]

Thanks. I'll try crouching more and see what works. By the way your recent videos have been really helpful, especially tutorials/informative ones like this!

[@ideallyinvy]

@@tobygoebeler3991 I'm glad to hear it ^^

[@jalucaru]

Can we see you on tournaments?

[@ideallyinvy]

Unfortunately I don't get many opportunities to go to tournaments, I've only gone to one local so far. This is pretty much the only recorded set of note I have currently (timestamped) www.twitch.tv/smashnl/v/355140151?sr=a&t=726s

[@candygonemad]

Could you explain how the b reverse sun salutation movement works?

[@ideallyinvy]

Do you want me to explain b reversing or do you know that part already?

[@candygonemad]

@@ideallyinvy Yeah could you explain b reversing?

[@ideallyinvy]

@@candygonemad okay so basically all you have to do it start your special move (in this case sun salutation) and immediately tap in the opposite direction from where you're facing. I don't know all the logistics of it, but that's how I do it. If you do it right it reverses your momentum, so if you're traveling left and then b reverse you'll then be moving right. If you want more info on how to perform it and its applications there's loads of videos on it around

[@candygonemad]

@@ideallyinvy Thanks!

[@willbrown371]

@@candygonemad idk how accessible it is to you, but the Discord server for Lucario has an entire guide video on b reversing. If you can get there, I highly suggest checking it out. Very good video.

[@kcluuqczeas7123]

how do i cancell the sun?

[@ideallyinvy]

Which part of the video are you referring to? There are multiple ways to cancel sun

[@flik1524]

What does autocancel mean?

[@charleouel9012]

They what Move is safe on sheild whit Wii Fit? I can't aproche one sheild perso I just get reck by it Dash don't work and her Jump F air kinda don't hit grounded enemies ? may be back air?

[@ideallyinvy]

Spaced ftilt is safe against most characters other than tether grabbers, crossup nair is safe on a lot of characters, and you can mix up a crossup and fade back with bair to keep your opponent guessing

[@charleouel9012]

@@ideallyinvy Well thx didn't expect a reply mean alot :D

[@charleouel9012]

@@ideallyinvy Oh Btw am I the only one that can't do tilt Attaque and alwas do Smash attaque whene they want to do tilt? Oh last thing How do you use Neutral Air It alwas fail to do something usefull for me (it send flying in weird angle where there no combo avaible and don't got a good hitbox priority so you almost alwas lose to every move whene useing it... I don't know It safe on sheild? That may be it use I guess... If it lead to combo at low % could worth throwing up some...)

[@ideallyinvy]

@@charleouel9012 you're probably just landing only the hit hit of nair unintentionally, it doesn't work properly sometimes. If you land both hits you can get a free followup with basically any aerial

[@oxstr8upgreekxo730]

Im unfamiliar with players besides the melee gods leffen and zero but do you go to tournaments im interested to see how youd do?

[@ideallyinvy]

I don't get many opportunities to go to tournaments, I've only been to one local so far (although I'm going to another tonight) This is pretty much the only notable recorded set I have so far if you're interested (timestamped) www.twitch.tv/smashnl/v/355140151?sr=a&t=726s

[@NattyBat]

If I cared this would be cool. I guess the 8 Wii fit trainer mains are happy now, good video.

[@ideallyinvy]

You play Olimar

[@NattyBat]

invy haha

[@grotn_]

Then I'm a special breed, I play both!

[@grotn_]

@@YourMom-ny4ri It sure is! He's my favourite video game character