U.S. States That Would Succeed As Independent Countries

[@General.Knowledge]

*Do you think any other states would do well as their own country?*

[@luridityy]

pennsylvania (unless u already said it idk i didnt watch the video yet)

[@Charkid177]

I’d say colorado. We already are running at a surplus.

[@dariusbrock2351]

I think Georgia, North Carolina and Washington would.

[@Jsmith2024]

The Old Confederacy states would work.

[@PrussianGeneral1815]

Illinois, Chicago will keep it alive, I love my home state

[@planetarystargazer]

What If Central America united as a single country

[@eliplayz22]

They did from the 1820s to, I believe, the 1840s

[@planetarystargazer]

@@eliplayz22I was wondering if it could survive as a country today. That's if those Central American countries united in today's World 🗺️.

[@eliplayz22]

@@planetarystargazer oh, I see now. In that case, Idk

[@MrTaxiRob]

Well you have trash like Daniel Ortega in the way @@planetarystargazer, he won't allow anyone to run against him without making up some bogus corruption accusations and the rest of the government follows along with him. He's Trump posing as a leftist, he has ushered in stricter abortion laws than Texas. Then you have Bukele, who has zero respect for civil rights, and it's not like it's only because the crime rates were a legitimate national emergency. None of the people he locked up will ever have their cases reviewed. And the way he's playing with the money supply is inviting a greater disaster than he's attempting to solve. Too may dictators and not enough popular support to get rid of them, that's the problem in a nutshell.

[@ucouldnevah]

oh yes! i wanna know more about that

[@zenplays8090]

5:09 as a Californian, I didn’t know we were bigger than Sweden, Japan, and Germany Damn, our state is really huge

[@lisaroberts8556]

California and Texas alone dwarf certain European Countries. The problem with California is its politics. It’s driving people away. Like my State.

[@JF-zbz]

Only with surrounding waters

[@Izanagi057]

@@JF-zbzit’s bigger than Japan and Germany without them.

[@bmjv77]

As a proud New Englander, I can tell you that even though we share the same region, there's a major difference in the political leanings of the average person from Massachusetts and the average person from New Hampshire.

[@General.Knowledge]

Interesting! Are Vermont & New Hampshire more similar then? And the other 3/4 their own thing?

[@bmjv77]

@General.Knowledge I would say that New Hampshire and Maine are more similar. Both rural and fairly Libertarian minded in general. MA, RI, and CT are similar that they're mostly urban and liberal minded. Vermont is distinct. Very rural like NH and ME, but liberal politically. Hope this helped!

[@maninredhelm]

I don't think the difference looks that big to people outside New England, and in fact the gap between northern and southern New England has recently shrunk in my opinion. On one side you have a national Republican party that has completely rejected what traditional New England Republicans stand for, and on the other side you have southern New England liberals growing more uneasy with wacky California-led liberalism. None of the fringe stuff is happening here, excluding Cambridge. The hysterical narratives dominating both sides of the national political discourse are not in line with traditional New England yankee pragmatism. All we really disagree about up here is whether or not the government should spend money.

[@AWSMcube]

​@@General.Knowledge New England can (generally) be split into two cultural regions: the rural, quiet, northern half and the urban, busy, southern half. They both share a common New England attitude of minding your own business, being "kind but not nice", and cutting to the chase instead of exchanging pleasantries but I think it manifests a little differently in the two halves. You could probably make it work if it were a confederation of Northern New England and Southern New England, and then divide those halves into their respective states. As someone born and raised in NH, I feel that NH has more in common with ME/VT than CT/MA/RI.

[@quostad]

@@AWSMcube Sound pretty nice in general. More european-like than the rest of the US

[@BruceKnouseMusic]

I think New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania could form a pretty powerful country together

[@BruceKnouseMusic]

@JG-MV MA would also be a welcome addition but I would expect them to fall in with New England if the states began seperating

[@1mol831]

New York financial Center would die if it leaves the U.S.

[@BruceKnouseMusic]

@@1mol831 that's a very good point that I honestly didn't account for

[@maninredhelm]

@@1mol831 I think London post-Brexit provides a window into what New York City might experience: Some challenges, but not death. Consider how strong Singapore is as a financial center without any connection to a larger market. Also consider what happened to Hong Kong after being integrated with China: Their situation has declined. So there are several moving parts to this.

[@toadofsteel]

I do think that in any scenario where the US federal government was dissolved and the State governments became sovereign over their own territories, those three states (or at least NY and NJ) would definitely form their own union centered on NYC, or an even larger union with CT/MA/RI (or possibly the entire NE states) and MD, since the Northeast Corridor would keep these areas economically integrated. They may lose their western territories west of the Appalachian Mountains to a Great Lakes/Rust Belt union though.

[@ShonnMorris]

I like this video. As a native Californian, I can see my state, Texas and New England doing fine on their own after the first decade. Newly independent countries always struggle in their first decade and the fledgling US was no exception. I think another honorable mention would be Cascadia (Washington and Oregon).

[@diolaneiuma215]

Cascadia is also made up of British Columbia, parts of Idaho, and parts of California

[@davecooper3238]

The U.K. voted to leave the EU in 2016. The electorate were promised all sorts of advantages. It appears that it isn’t going so well for Joe Public.

[@avrowolf]

@@davecooper3238 That'd be because of the half of their establishment that was pro-EU that dragged their feet and dragged out the process as long as possible

[@davecooper3238]

@@avrowolf What has that to do with people reportedly being unhappy with the increased amount of sewage leaking into rivers & surrounding sea. The EU had warned the U.K. that their sewage discharges were above prescribed limits. The population were told EU regs are an imposition stopping the U.K. from having there own stricter environmental standards. The reality is that the number of sewage outlet monitoring stations have been reduced. Pus the number of days the companies are allowed to discharge untreated has increased. Only one of many Brexit promises broken. So nothing to do with people dragging their feet.

[@avrowolf]

​@@davecooper3238 Nice deflection I guess (probably had to dig deep for that, don't think anyone was reporting on that)? Doesn't really change what my lying eyes were seeing from across the pond

[@nikitamila]

This would be a cool series to continue. I Would add Cascadia, Utah, or Louisiana. A great lakes state would be interesting too, like Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin, or Illinois.

[@sambradley6548]

I back the Michigan Idea, relations with Canada could go so much farther, along with the st. Lawrence river access to major cities to foster diplomatic relations such as Toronto and Quebec city would go smoothly along with the new republics mentioned for new england, great stuff

[@General.Knowledge]

Definitely Cascadia!

[@BubblyBrainiac]

As a Utahn, I would recommend including parts of Idaho. Maybe just the entire Jellobelt.

[@Kev4Kev]

Louisiana wouldn't be able to support itself, as it would have to import damn near everything for our current way of life.

[@thestrikernetwork125]

Rolling home to Old New England brothers ✊

[@AnimeGames16]

I live in New Hampshire and there’s a very small but vocal movement for secession from the US. They’ve tried to get it on the ballot and the proposal actually just got rejected by the state house. I personally can’t see NH surviving on its own.

[@jodo4661]

You could also join the New England Independence Campaign

[@jasonreed7522]

I think that realistically all the border regions with Canada would try to join Canada if the US explodes but Canada didn't. The economic benefits of being in such a large market with free movement is simply too large. And the Great Lakes region (including Upstate NY) has far to easy trade with Canada to not immediately strength ties to them. Of course, if the USA explodes its probably taking Canada and a bunch of the world's economy with it.

[@dariusbrock2351]

Very cool video.

[@General.Knowledge]

Thanks!

[@DavidLimofLimReport]

Thought Pennsylvania would be another ideal candidate for independence since it was after all the home of the Declaration of Independence. Wouldn’t it be best if New Jersey and New York joined together? Also thinking Washington and Oregon.

[@rrivierareject03]

Western Washingtonian here. Realistically, the I-5 corridor breaks off from the eastern halves (who join Idaho) and links BC with California. I think we'd do okay, a la New Jersey. The high-speed rail along the Pacific would be a lock at that point.

[@Amaterasu8145]

Colorado should be the Switzerland of North America.

[@carterbentonjr399]

With the various cantons in the mountains, eastern plains, and front range. Plus the the best part, no illegal aliens to sneak in

[@LAQL31]

Another state video this is getting good

[@Kevstar19]

New Jersey represent!! Thanks for the shoutout dude. Most people blow off NJ. Glad we got a mention

[@General.Knowledge]

You're welcome! It's true it often goes unnoticed for some reason

[@Chase92488]

(for good reason)@@General.Knowledge

[@m._anuDR]

@@Chase92488like?

[@MarkfromNewYork]

FYI, thats the flag of NYC not New York State on the title screen.

[@General.Knowledge]

True! I just hate NY's state flag so I used the city one instead

[@jhpratt]

@@General.Knowledge It's not only inaccurate, it perpetuates the thought that there's nothing more to New York than NYC.

[@Lhaj3]

@dansouthlondon9873 this is a video about the U.S. though...

[@Explosive_African_Landmine]

@@General.Knowledge No, the entire state should change to that flag

[@jasonreed7522]

​@@General.Knowledgewe desperately need a new flag. The navy blue color is good, but i would prefer something that implies a river like a green-blue-green "tricolor". Or maybe Austria's flag pattern with a blue belt on a green background to resemble the east-west course of the Erie Canal, probably the most important waterway in the state's history.

[@stephengaiber5453]

That's why every state should do it's own thing since it disagrees with one another and we don't want the other states to control our state

[@ragmarsegundo7866]

Cascadia (or the Pacific Union): California, Oregon, Washington and Hawaii -- ideal combination for a strong commercial alliance with cultural affinity.

[@Silas_standley]

Very interesting

[@mariajoaoferrazdeabreu150]

Great video.

[@General.Knowledge]

Thank you!

[@GeoEritrea]

**You have 20 missed calls from the CIA**

[@hughjass1044]

It was mentioned in the video but it's vitally important to remember, especially when talking about things like relative wealth and GDP, that these states or groups of states, have the standing they have precisely because they are a part of the whole that is the USA. Take that away, go off on your own, and that dynamic stops. Some of these places may do OK if they were to strike out on their own but I'm betting they'd find it a helluva lot harder than they think.

[@antoniodasilva1230]

Not really 😂😂😂 you're forgetting that these are key players in the whole American economic system 😂😂😂

[@hughjass1044]

Key word there... "American" economic system.@@antoniodasilva1230

[@General.Knowledge]

100%. The US is more than the sum of its states. So if each went their own way they wouldn't do as good as they do now, just independently.

[@jasonreed7522]

​@@antoniodasilva1230key players that only exist because of their place in a wider whole. For starters a lot of economic regions cross state boundaries, including the extreme example of the NYC metro being in 3 states. (Downstate NY, the Northern half of NJ, and Fairfax county CT) Major ports like LA, NY, and New Orleans are so incredibly busy not because they have high demand, but because they hand so much trade for the inland regions of the country/continent. The EU is basically giving europe the economic half of what the USA gives to its states. If you removes that effortless free movement and 0 tarrif interstate commerce you are going to damage these economies. I'm not saying they would freefall to rock bottom, but it would definitely cause/worsen a recession.

[@frojo9]

This is very true. I was thinking about how he said that both Texas and Florida have an aerospace industry but most of that is the federal space industry. They're getting that money and funding from the other states. Without the other states then they're going to have to figure out a way to fund their aerospace industry.

[@escmadeira]

Good vídeo

[@connorthompson66]

I'm proud to be from New England, but we have more to gain within the United States than without. To the other New Englanders, what do you think about forming regional institutions above the states but below the federal government aimed at promoting cross-state economic development and our New England identity?

[@theimmortalemperor3605]

Be more English 🎉

[@maninredhelm]

I think regional cooperation is definitely an important stepping stone if an independent New England is ever to have a chance. Off the top of my head the only thing I can think of that we currently have in place is the Regional Student Program that allows New England college students to enroll at other New England state universities as a discounted rate compared to what other Americans from out-of-state would pay. One proposal I would make is extending the Massachusetts health care system to other New England states wishing to participate. Obviously New Hampshire would freak the hell out at that idea so just leave them out of it, let New Hampshire be New Hampshire, but I think Vermont, Rhode Island and Connecticut could be interested if they don't all have to go it alone. Then maybe the infrastructure put in place to accomplish that lets the 6 states more easily cooperate in other areas.

[@reeeeeeeeee430]

Nice video !

[@matthewwelsh294]

I can't think states can leave due to the 1860s civil war

[@SiTengoTiempo]

Oh yeah, GO NEW YORK! Thanks for the vid.

[@General.Knowledge]

Thank you for watching!

[@cosmicgamer8693]

I also believe that Pennsylvania is another state that would be a powerhouse if they leave the US because I feel like Pennsylvania has more potential than New Jersey but I’m happy that New Jersey got represented

[@jodo4661]

They need a coastline

[@cosmicgamer8693]

@@jodo4661 Pennsylvania does have a coastline

[@tjr-007tt]

The whole North East region would make a powerful country on its own. NY, NJ, CT and New England are very similar politically and culturally. I can see this new country being closely aligned with Canada and Europe more so than the rest of the US.

[@flyingsquirrell6953]

We like to pretend we are different but in reality we are the same.

[@calumbrooknicolson]

Here’s An Idea: What If Cascadia (Bioregion) Became An Independent Country?

[@aztec0996]

Fun Fact: There are more people living in Los Angeles County, alone than in 40 of the 50 United States

[@gjrip]

PA+NJ+NY would be a pretty kickass country actually. But I prefer the union as-is.

[@autumnmoonfire3944]

Add in New England and you have a very strong contender.

[@gerardbryant1445]

In the case of the US, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. All the states mentioned rely heavily on federal money, especially in times of natural disasters. Could California, Texas and Florida even protect their own borders? And what about travellers from other US states. We have the same sort of movements every now and then from Western Australia, as they see themselves as putting more into the Commonwealth of Australia than they get back.

[@Castleknight]

With the exception of Texas, they don’t protect their borders now.

[@badart3204]

I mean they still have national guards and Texas California and Florida account for 12% 12% and 8% of all military recruits each year. Texas also has the tradition of militarized law enforcement via the Texas Rangers as well so overall I think they could all defend themselves if they prioritized properly

[@winnon992]

It looks like Texas is protecting its own borders now since the Federal Government , Biden Administration, refuses to stand up to their obligation !

[@jarodarmstrong7836]

The Great Lakes would be a strong nation, given access to the outside world. 47 million people with a $3.6 trillion GDP. Lots of manufacturing and farming, we produce what the world needs.

[@JohnFreyholtz]

Now do the Midwest/Great Lakes/Rust Belt

[@aleksandarvil5718]

My money on Texas, New England federal states !!!

[@jarodarmstrong7836]

Florida would also lose the massive Social Security and Medicare funds that support its economy.

[@WittleBuddyStudios]

I saw this video on my recommended and the first and only thing I noticed about the thumbnail was that you use the flag of New York City for the state of New York

[@Dangic23]

10 States support the other 40 States. VA, NY, TX are in that 10.

[@christopherh4891]

isnt that wild and thats why I get upset that people think other countries are living in mud huts because 90% of our country is undeveloped and some states barely have a population

[@Hillers62]

At 6:36 ...again, Texas WAS AN independent nation for ten years...I am a Texan...and if the country continues to go the path it is currently taking, I would fight for an independent Texas!!!

[@vincent412l7]

Can you do nations or regions which would fo well to combkne into a unified state? (Maybe Central America, parts of Africa, Caribbean)

[@JoannDavi]

Poor Canada. Outclassed economically by California, Texas and New York -- each with smaller populations.

[@tgartheteddybear]

I'm from Michigan and I love my homeland very much, I always strive for it to be the best it can be, as I have immense pride in my homeland. I wholeheartedly believe michigan could be independent, and thrive as it's own country, based on its name sake, the great lakes. If Michigan became independent, it would have serene republic of Venice levels of location for trade, as the great lakes already provide lots of shipping of resources around, and there's already two huge markets if it becomes free. The US, and Canada, plus, you could use the St. Lawrence River out to sea. If other states become free as well around Michigan, even better, as water trade will facilitate more economic prosperity. Plus there's plenty of natural resources, such as mining. Farming. Lumber. And if Detroit became the manufacturing hub of the Midwest again. Michigan could be quite the regional power.

[@JohnFreyholtz]

Minnesota will ship you our vast iron lumber and agriculture products if you help us defeat the twin cities

[@boxsterman77]

Each of these countries would have to provide for their own defense, the single largest discretionary item in the US budget. So a fair analysis would look at the burden each state would have. Florida, being a peninsula, might have the lowest burden.

[@cagedtigersteve]

I would see Florida having lots of wars.

[@miamiwaffles]

Why

[@sordman2]

every state could survive on its own, and most will do better than a large amount of other countries. but we are stronger together.

[@josezuniga4814]

Ofc NJ could be a country, we got slightly more land and people than Israel and our economy is slightly bigger by GDP

[@thomthom6268]

Aerospace in Texas is mostly financed by US Govt. That would likely move out of Texas to AL or NV. And the Florida chunk would likely move up the coast to Delmarva or SC.

[@Turdfergusen382]

If the US Balkanized then the Midwest should pull together as a single country

[@JohnFreyholtz]

Yea extremely powerful

[@Turdfergusen382]

@@JohnFreyholtz i mean they would control a large portion of the agricultural lands if so. So yeah what you said.

[@JohnFreyholtz]

And industry

[@TheTrumpReaper]

I *think* California still has a bigger population than Canada, though I may be incorrect because our population has been shrinking in the last few years.

[@dudethejesus9834]

Oklahoma would be a very interesting country considering how a huge chunk of it belongs to Native Americans. Hopefully one day we will actually see a Native American country!

[@charlessalzman4377]

Okay, (or OK since we're on Oklahoma) I'm gonna sound like a scammer, save for this at first part. the KZbin channel "Legal Eagle" did a video on some court decisions regarding Oklahoma and Native American land: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZjVZ3emn6qgjdE I thought it was interesting and thought since you mentioned the state and the Native Americans that you might also find it interesting. Presuming you weren't aware of them.

[@General.Knowledge]

Great point! I should have added it here

[@TrippyLogic]

What about actual movements like the greater idaho project?

[@jodo4661]

That’s never going to happen because Idaho doesn’t even want Eastern Oregon.

[@General.Knowledge]

I have a video coming up about it! Out in a few weeks :)

[@Kev4Kev]

What about Alaska or Hawaii? The states most likely to succeed with their current abilities, populations and resources are New England, Alaska, maybe Hawaii as a tourism country like the Maldives or the Bahamas, Delaware Virginia Maryland, West Virginia and maybe eastern Kentucky as a group, Wyoming Idaho Iowa Montana and the Dakotas as a group, Wisconsin & Minnesota together,

[@slook7094]

You do realize New York State is basically unpopulated except for Long Island and New York City, right? There was a brief movement back in the 50s to make New York City its own state, but it fizzled out quickly.

[@jasonreed7522]

With around 6million people Upstate would be the 20th state by population, hardly unpopulated. Especially factoring in how much is intentionally left undeveloped as nature preserves, because wilderness has a value. (The Adirondack park was formed to protect the Erie Canal as one of the first things the environmentalist movement accomplished, and that's mainly because NYC needed that canal to stay operational to protect their bottom line.)

[@slook7094]

@@jasonreed7522 For that much area, that's not much. North Korea is smaller and has 4x the population.

[@maninredhelm]

@@slook7094Most American states are still less densely populated than upstate New York. It's a larger population in a smaller area than Finland or Norway. Upstate isn't Manhattan but it ain't Wyoming or Alaska either, it's pretty normal for an Anglosphere region.

[@slook7094]

@@maninredhelm All measures of population density for New York are skewed by Long Island and the five boroughs.

[@flyingsquirrell6953]

My g we have cities up here 💀

[@timlinator]

Pretty soon for California you are going to have to change UK to Germany. We passed UK years ago and quickly closing on Germany.

[@hayretylmz]

My geography teacher showed us a video of you but I am watching you since about 2021 or 22

[@General.Knowledge]

Nice! Which one did they show?

[@hayretylmz]

I couldnt find the name but it was the one where you compared mongol empire and rome and other things@@General.Knowledge

[@jhaarbur]

California WAS it's own country, all be it for literally like a month in 19th-century. That's why it's state flag has the word Republic on it! The four US states that once were independent countries, even for a brief amount of time, are Hawaii, Texas, California, and Vermont. I think a more realistic way of portraying this ides is that it would be more common for multiple states to form wider unions with each other into one brand new, never have existed before country into one brand new and fresh country has never existed before. So the idea of New England mentioned in this video is probably more viable. Given the facts that the southern states once actually were their own country for a few years in a way, I could see them uniting into something like that again (BUT IN A PURELY GEOPOLITICAL WAY BASED ON THE REGION, NOT THE DISGUSTING RACIST IDEOLOGY THAT THE CONFEDERACY WAS BASED ON. GEOGRAPHIC SIMILARITIES, NOT THE PHILOSOPHY THAT AREA HAS BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH FOR SO LONG). But I could see Hawaii becoming an independent Polynesian country again, and Alaska would be able to go it alone, though the possibility of becoming a Canadian province in that scenario might be tempting as well. I definately could see California, Oregon, and Washington State (and possibly British Columbia as well) actually becoming Cascadia, as it is proposed. I also wouldn't surprised if the hypothetical New York nation, New Jersey nation, and New England nation that were proposed in this video unite into one nation unto itself. This situation would also cause many Native American groups to declare an independent nation of their own, with it be the Republic of Lakotah or something else. Other states would probably just join with other nearby states in their respective regions to form brand new nations, even if the only thing that unites them is economics, as well as some nations just getting absorbed into the new independent ones mentioned in this video. Puerto Rico would probably and wisely use the opportunity to final become it's own nation, and I could see Guam going the same route as well. The other 3 inhabited territories, The American Virgin Islands, American Samoa, and the Northern Marianna Islands would probably just get absorbed into their neighboring nations/territories. DC would either remain the capital of what is left of the USA or get absorbed into Maryland and Viriginia as a major city in those areas.

[@warfighter6750]

This all depends on if other nations would recognize them and trade with them, otherwise good video

[@General.Knowledge]

Good point! External recognition would be key

[@G.A.C_Preserve]

@@General.Knowledge Trade and military would be a key for that

[@darkforge633]

Would be interesting to see how North Carolina would stack up if it was a country, or some merging of a couple of states into a single nation, like Washington, Oregon, and Idaho into one nation. Then there is the great plains, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Wyoming and Oklahoma into one nation... maybe. Then there is the Great Lakes region, I could see those state uniting into one nation.

[@jasonarthurs3885]

@5:49; ..."potential issues with water"...what do all commercial crops need to grow?

[@777gpower]

3:19 NYPD is already bigger than some militaries. And permanent military installations can presumably go to the state breaking off, so they start with Westpoint and probably some more.

[@ilovemesomme]

Hawaii could be its own kingdom. Not sure if there is any historical precedent for that though.

[@Roguesta54]

Before the coup of 1893, Hawaii was its own kingdom.

[@Chase92488]

bro included jersey but not cascadia

[@tmghui888]

I think Hawaii should be its own country again. The US did an illegal thing by overthrowing its government. Also, I think Texas and California can be its own country. I live in California and wish it were. I’m sick of the Federal Government. Not so sure about New York and New Jersey.

[@ivayloyankov9905]

I think you miss 2 geographical examples - Alaska and Hawai. Economically and militarily they are not strong, but they are divided from other 48 states and culturally are a lot different.

[@MAXIMUSLOK]

Skyscrapers was born in Chicago 🎉

[@satanicturtle9929]

As a New Yorker not from the city, I am annoyed at the usage of the NYC flag for the whole of the state (on the thumbnail)

[@rexblade504]

Same here

[@General.Knowledge]

Yeah sorry about that, it's just that on a thumbnail NY's state flag is so similar to all the other states with a blue field and state seal on top of it.

[@flyingsquirrell6953]

Man we gotta bring a better flag up to Albany cuz ours is garbage 💀

[@anizuniga3763]

You should have talked about Casacaidia

[@roughneckdevilplayz]

Florida at the moment could work* as a nation, but due to the effects of global warming after around 100 or so years most of the state would be submerged making it far weaker, and the odds would be most of its population moves to avoid the flooding, with the only solution being to do a similar approach as the Netherlands to keep its chance to thrive. But that’s just how I view it and I don’t mind if you guys think otherwise.

[@doublepiedavid8908]

New England does not mostly agree on policy and political issues. The three northern states and the three southern states are substantially different. Also, Connecticut is functionally a part of New York City, and upstate New York is culturally closer to New England than New York City.

[@bluegold1026]

Not all parts of Connecticut. The majority of the state is culturally close to New England. Only the southwestern part, Fairfield County, is culturally closer to NYC.

[@connorthompson66]

​@@bluegold1026 You can see the division by looking at a map of Yankees/Sox fans

[@jasonreed7522]

NYC takes half of Jersey and southwest CT with it. Upstate is a weird cultural crossroads between New England and the Midwest/Rustbelt with some of its own uniqueness. Realistically if the USA exploded i would expect Upstate to join Canada, or whatever new nation forms around the Great Lakes and St. Lawrence Seaway. The Lakes' trade is simply too important for the region. (And in a hypothetical Great Lakes Republic i expect Toronto to become the Capital as the largest city) NYC would probably share the fate of the rest of the northeast corridor cities. (DC - Boston)

[@flyingsquirrell6953]

@@jasonreed7522 Are you from Upstate?

[@jasonreed7522]

@@flyingsquirrell6953 yes, and spent 2 years in CT, but I'm back home now.

[@JuanDeLaRosaTV]

Pretty sure the network area is mostly self sufficient when it comes to industry.

[@Cx_Howlett]

Keeping jersey but not putting in Pennsylvania is crazy

[@jodo4661]

Probably because PA is landlocked

[@ajbico]

New Jersey and New York will argue because of some islands and territorial waters.

[@jasonreed7522]

And then NY will return to its original solution for these problems, Bigger State Diplomacy. If all the states became independent i would expect Upstate to Divorce downstate, but not before we take parts of NJ and CT to get the entire NYC metro area within NYS.

[@lazarussolomon3541]

As an Alabama boy, I highly recommend not repeating our mistakes.

[@chrisk5651]

You didn’t show a map of Florida’s coastline with climate change like you did with New York!

[@sanexpreso2944]

Some states are really powerful even compared to developed countries, for example Texas has half the population of South Korea and yet its nominal GDP and GDP per capita is higher

[@kevinumber7]

California people already know we are the state that has the power. Let's wait 4 years. Smart people live here.

[@tweetingsparks]

Floridda's citizens is its wildlife.

[@sandyjay276]

😂😂😂😂

[@petew5289]

Texus was independent for 9 years after independence from Mexico

[@maninredhelm]

And the Vermont Republic was independent for 14 years. But both Vermont and Texas pale in comparison to the Kingdom of Hawaii's 98 year reign.

[@troythompson1768]

I think all of the US states could cut it as independent countries. Even a state like Minnesota would end up with an area that would rank between Serbia and Azerbaijan, a population that would rank between Singapore and the CAR (or, in Euro terms, between Denmark and Finland), a GDP that would rank between South Africa and Iran (or, in Euro terms, between Denmark and Czechia), and, if it maintained a military the size of its current National Guard, a military roughly on par with Ireland.

[@stevens1041]

I think on a very long term scale, it is inevitable that United States will become a few countries instead of one. Politically, very large nations are difficult to maintain.

[@Ellicodia8017]

As a New Yorker New York dont survive a year as a nation knowing this place

[@maninredhelm]

A union of New England, New York and New Jersey would compete with Germany and Japan for 3rd largest economy in the world. The 3 nations would be ranked 3-4-5 in different orders depending on which metric you use. It would surpass the United Kingdom, let alone Old England. Perhaps the new nation could be named "New United Kingdom," although it would conspicuously lack a king. And civil war would surely break out once Boston and New York nominate their own local sports heroes to the throne.

[@JohnSmith-zw8vp]

It would make sense to have the state of Albany (New York state minus NYC and Long Island). Still none of this is realistically happening...we've had the same lower 48 states/boundaries (and I don't think hardly any counties were added/changed either?) since 1912 and making any changes would require the approval of both Congress and all the state legislatures involved...and there would have to be a LOT better reasons for it besides partisanship.

[@flyingsquirrell6953]

Please no, the city pays for our healthcare and infrastructure and the city needs resources from upstate.

[@domehammer]

A idea has been floated around for NY to internally divide into 3 states. NYC, Long Island, and everything else. So on a map you would see NY and it would have a governor of NY that would just exist to be like a figurehead. In reality each state would have it's own governor and laws. Become a state that is made of three states. Since the divide between regions of NY is basically the grand canyon, upstate and downstate hate each other. I know I described the idea poorly but it's probably the most likely to happen if it ever gets put to a vote.

[@Kev4Kev]

What about things suchas natural resources in the cases of production of electricity, gas for automobiles, natural gas for heating and cooking, food production ? I dont think New York produces enough of any one food for its population.

[@ragmarsegundo7866]

That's why they invented import-export commerce :-)

[@eligalicia-up2hl]

What if there was United Malay Archipelago States (Malaysia, Philippines,New Guinea, Indonesia, Brunei, Singapore, East Timor, Cocos Islands, Christmas Islands and Caroline Islands)

[@Kev4Kev]

Not gonna happen as West Papua has wanted independence since it became apart of Indonesia, PNG would rather join Australia, Philippines would probably rather breakup than joining a larger country, and East Timor would no way in hell join anything with Indonesia.

[@josueveguilla9069]

Hmmm. Interesting 🤔

[@hanzeemer]

That’s the flag of the City of New York. Not the state.

[@andreluismarin8095]

United Caribbean islands ;)

[@archstanton6102]

They play under a combined cricket team.

[@gabrielagustinhomas]

The thumbnail is wrong. You have the flag of New York city representing New York, not the actual flag of New York State itself.

[@WuwaGiHsrProgamer]

Im From Mindanao, The Philippines I Love California and Texas Idk why i love them

[@Grundini91]

There's a quiet but growing movement in NY to separate the "Downsate" region (Dutchess, Rockland, Westchester, Orange counties, NYC and Long Island) and make them their own state.

[@IIAOPSW]

Logistically speaking if NY split off then New England would be an exclave but the more likely case is that New England just splits off with it.

[@shermanpanzer4704]

Id like to think Arizona could exist as an Independent country due to what we consider the 5 C's those being Copper, Cotton, Cattle, Citrus and Climate (slightly skeptical as it gets real hot in the summer) As well as we have a fair population, As well as our state capital Phoenix is the fifth largest city by Population in the whole US with 1.6 million as of 2022. looking at Copper, Arizona has the The Morenci Copper Mine which is regarded as the largest Copper mine in the US and among the largest in the world (top 10) as of 2023

[@Ggdivhjkjl]

Local government always cares more about local people. Support parochialism.

[@josueveguilla9069]

Brazilian States that could be their own Countries.

[@Tsum1231]

Meanwhile states seceding being illegal:

[@MrTaxiRob]

New York could probably become a naval power

[@lisaroberts8556]

Not with the kind of people we have here.

[@flyingsquirrell6953]

Without NJ? No

[@RRW359]

No Cascadia?

[@Ampersand-rew]

New York would need surrounding states. At least Ct, Nj, and PA. Without NJ and CT NYC. And NJ is right next to Philly so it only makes sense to add them

[@TheBrew7]

I’d like to see if Louisiana would be viable for independence