Generation Fish, Banisharks - Failed Cards and Mechanics

[@XerxesTheUndead]

Wingtortoise is exactly what Charizard and Blastoise would look like if they fused together

[@trippersigs2248]

It looks nothing like either of them lol

[@MrBBLADES]

Screw that other guy, i think this is a very cool thing to point out

[@wailmerwithinternetaccess7934]

fused, more like their illegitimate child to me

[@sul_9999]

@@wailmerwithinternetaccess7934 crack love baby

[@animationtv426]

U obviously don't know what charizard or blastoise looks like

[@ShinyGaara65]

It's a crime that decks that focus on having a trap card called "Oh F!sh!" aren't viable.

[@Bezaliel13]

Yeah, what the F!SH?

[@dhanyl2725]

If it was an omni negate ghoti might play it...

[@valutaatoaofunknownelement197]

@@Bezaliel13 It basically is Oh Folk and oh shirt. I'll let you decifer.

[@Bezaliel13]

@@valutaatoaofunknownelement197 "what the F!SH" you on about?

[@valutaatoaofunknownelement197]

@@Bezaliel13 Something that SpongeBob and Patrick were told not to say, but Mr Krabs shouted 13 times.

[@zeusalternative1270]

Is funny that this playstyle is actually really well implemented in Weather Painters of all things, they banish theirselves at quick effect speed to activate a bunch of useful effects, dodging interaction and coming back, one of my favorite archetypes.

[@FentonHardyFan]

Yeah, I love The Weather! It’s the only deck I’ve made in Real Life and not just played with in the digital realms.

[@Blizz6311]

Ghoti might like this stuff

[@einzer5670]

Hi fellow Weather Painter player

[@XBL5GFrisky]

When Generation Force was released it was such a joy to have a gimmick like this but when I saw Underworld Egg Clutch my initial thought was: "Why is this not a continuous trap?"

[@humanoid251]

For future reference: Ghoti is actually pronounced “fish.” It’s an English language meme based on how we pronounce the same letters or pairs of letters various ways. -GH from rough -O from women -TI from nation = FISH The fact Konami made an archetype based on a linguistics meme that most people are gonna mispronounce is hilarious 🤣

[@lorenztor1990]

I feel like this is more of an Easter egg vs how you should actually pronounce the word.

[@Akronoskos]

There's a fairly good reason to pronounce the archetype "Goaty" instead of "Fish", which is that saying "Fish deck" out loud is ambiguous because the fish monster type also exists. By saying it "Goaty", you make it clear that you're using that archetype.

[@SeraSmiles]

This set of cards is one of the most frustrating times Konami made a cool concept & then just left it to die. Airorca was a seriously great card, just nothing else connected to it was worth playing. Wing tortoise missing timing still annoys me

[@zeusalternative1270]

You can at least use " Oh f!sh!" in a Ghoti deck, they are the spiritual succesors. They taught those fish to synchro summon

[@Aquabzs]

@@zeusalternative1270 Ayo mah there's some weird ass fish outside, MAH there synchro summoning!

[@LadyTsunade777]

It's kinda funny you're talking about this series of cards, when Ghoti is a pretty strong brand new archetype of Fish that self-banish and bring themselves back, and also focus on extra deck spam. (though Ghoti do Synchros instead of Generation Fish's XYZ)

[@Bezaliel13]

Seems TheDuelLogs does not respect Ghoti 12:00.

[@Blizz6311]

Sadly not

[@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire]

So you know how Umi is the single most supported field spell in the game, and Pyro monsters have been on this channel called the weakest monster type? I think it would be fun if there was a FIRE equivalent for Umi that works for Pyro and other FIRE related monsters (Maybe Pyro, Rock and thunder, like a raging volcanic eruption)…. Ideas on how to make that work?

[@WarpChaos]

Pyro monsters are basically Konami's red-headed step child.

[@NovaAnastasia]

You'll summon Payne if you talk about pyros. Poor guy is probably still waiting for more Volcanic support.

[@gkarak1996]

@@NovaAnastasia and I am waiting for good krawler support

[@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire]

@@NovaAnastasia How about…. _Volatile World_ Field Spell Card _Level 7 and above FIRE, EARTH and LIGHT monsters need 1 less tribute to be tribute summoned. Level 5 and 6 FIRE, EARTH and LIGHT monsters can be normal summoned without a tribute, but their effects are negated the turn you summon them this way. Reduce the level of all FIRE, EARTH and LIGHT monsters in both players hands and on the field by 1. During either players turn, You can banish from your hand or field 1 Pyro, Rock and/or Thunder monster each once per turn, then apply the following effect(s):_ Pyro: Special Summon any number of Pyro monsters from your hand with 200 or less DEF in attack position. Pyro monsters summoned by this effect can make an additional attack per battle phase when they destroy a monster by battle. Rock: Special summon any number of Rock monsters for your hand with 200 or less ATK in defense position. Monsters summoned by this effect cannot be destroyed by battle or card effect each once per turn while in defense position. Thunder: Decrease the ATK and DEF of all monsters in the field by half the combined ATK/DEF of the banished card until the end of this turn; Monsters with 0 ATK or DEF after this effect resolves cannot attack and have their effects negated until the end of this turn.

[@rileykouwenhoven]

@@gkarak1996 what about krawler soma?

[@melvinshine9841]

It's weird to me how different Aero Shark's effect is from the anime version, which inflicted 400 points of damage for every card in the opponent's hand. I guess they felt it's anime effect was too strong? I still love OH F!SH!'s name. No clue if that's a direct translation, but someone on the localization team knew exactly what they were doing.

[@youtube-kit9450]

The japanese name is "gyo!", Gyo both being the word for "fish" and an expression of surprise/being startled. So "oh f!sh" as saying fish and censoring "oh shit" basically is in the same spirit.

[@jatabo1574]

Even Konami knew they screwed up when they nerfed Aeroshark´s effect from the anime. That´s why they released it way later as its own card, Torpedo Takedown.

[@Rioluman10]

I feel like Ghoti could've been a contender if it wasn't released around the same time as 3 absolutely crazy archetypes.

[@SvenSackmann]

it may be cope because I love these fish, but ghoti feels like it is mainly a onecard starter away from being rogue playable. the deck can set up quick effect raigeki through white aura whale and quick effect deep beyond to banish the whole field quite easily with their new support (especially zep is a standout here, as it allows plays through dark ruler no more), but needing at least some kind of 2 card combo makes the deck clunky, and locking you into only making fish synchros means that the deck is harsh accidental casualty of the halq and fishborg blaster bans respectively (both because they are accessible monsters that allow you to go into other, more generic quick synchro tuners like formula synchron easily without running into any of the water locks so common in many fish extenders). tl;dr: cards that ghoti specifically needs/wants: - a water typed quick synchro tuner with 2 stars that can go into non-fish (even if it can only synch into water monsters, that still opens up a lot of flex) - better fish synchros (preferably negates) - anything searchable off of beatunaful princess or a ghoti-searcher that is a one card arionpos (because that is essentially then the whole setup in one accessible card)

[@jinezawa7089]

I never realized THAT'S why Aeroshark had a different effect from the anime iirc, aeroshark in the anime did 400 damage for every card in the opponent's hand (I might be wrong on the exact amount)

[@158Xavk]

It is 400 damage but I think it was for every card in your hand, not your opponent's but still a much better effect imo than what the irl effect is.

[@BBQuavo]

Throwback to when Shark would summon aeroshark first turn and burn for 1600 😞

[@MobiusLeader007]

Same thing with Big Jaws. In the anime, you could Special Summon it from your hand if you activated a Spell card that turn.

[@wilkobadberg5272]

They corrected this with the Spell Card "Torpedo Takedown". This Spell Card is basicially the Anime effect from Aeroshark (and even better). Really cool reference.

[@Amsel_616]

@@wilkobadberg5272 only took them like 3 and a half animes for it to fix it.

[@killermelga]

Hearing you talk about wingtortoise made me think about a "top 10 cards that would be broken if they didn't miss timing" video

[@Darkforce213]

Could you cover the Sphinx cards? Andro Sphinx, Sphinx Teleia, Theinen the Great Sphinx, and Pyramid of Light are really cool but I think definitely fall under failed archetypes.

[@afeathereddinosaur]

Forgotten temple of the deep is not the first use of the "diving = banish" thing, it was an anime thing with the Legendary Fisherman, he was basically gone from the game, inside Umi until he attacked, I can't remember if other fishes did the same during those episodes, but this was a thing

[@gManGabe]

s0 was weird

[@strangevol5264]

@@gManGabe Correction, Duelist Kingdom was weird

[@renaldyhaen]

I think the philosophy of their mechanic isn't diving, but flying. . Their type and attribute based on old vanilla card Flying Fish. They may live in the WATER (the field). But they will left their water and flying a while because all of them are flying fish.

[@feder373]

@@renaldyhaen If that was the case, most flying monsters in the game would have the same mechanic. But fish are the only type that can stay under the water and banish themselves like that, so it's safe to say they're hiding when doing so, and the field is the water surface, where other kinds of monsters can exist. You may be right, though.

[@Cyndarion0ne]

No actually he was just "submerged" but you were so close! If you look at his anime and tcg effects, he is unaffected by spells (yugioh logic says you have to see your target I guess?), and your opponent still attacks directly when Umi is on the field. That means he isn't being banished, he's using the ocean as concealment to prevent effects and he's actually one of the first IF NOT the first behind Kay'est who had blanket immunity. Nothing about his effect implies banishing but you tried. A for effort, D for critical thinking

[@Cyndarion0ne]

Duel logs: You forgot Fish Depth Charge and Deepsea Bottomless Trench, which have similar "banish as cost/activation" effects, and trench was way more recent than the last piece of support. Maybe they're not explicitly "Gen Fish" cards, but they are listed on the wiki and they are also comparably named, similar effect cards.

[@Silver_light77]

Not to mention zero force, which is also not explicitly gen fish, but reduces all monsters on the field attack to zero when a monster is banished. I used to run a deck that skystarray'd in for 6 and then blanked my opponents board, it was dumb but fun

[@muelesariocontra]

I HATE this archetype, they made them WIND and thus killed any interaction with shark xyz, Umi and so on.

[@Bezaliel13]

@@muelesariocontra That is a weird trait with this series ngl.

[@Cyndarion0ne]

@@muelesariocontra technically they benefit from modern wind witch support and they can be used as a Tempest tech so there's modern options people don't see. I actually like fish IRL and I run Shark/Frogs and Abyss-Diva. If anyone's gonna know what fish like it's probably me among others. I think a wind format deck with dragon link could be niche fun

[@Cyndarion0ne]

@@Silver_light77 i forgot about that card, but I was also referring to specifically Aqua/SS/Fish support cards from the super-type he mentioned that also banish as cost. Zero Force isn't entirely fish centric

[@Bezaliel13]

Feels more like a *underdeveloped* series than a failed one. Seriously, look at the size of that card pool.

[@ZeIfore]

Ghoti expands it immensely and they are still rather mediocre. I feel "failed" is the proper term.

[@VinegarPotato]

I played it a bunch when it came out. A lot of the power I found was with being able to play macro cosmos and dimensional fissure without it disrupting your plays at all but after they limited them and diva it was much harder to play.

[@GrieveIV]

As a kid I loved forgotten temple of the deep. Being able to have a monster dodge literally anything was great. And being a continuous trap I could do it every turn. Fish Rain probably should’ve been a continuous trap to go with it. But it’s got other problems to handle

[@alterreb4775]

Maybe if the archetype used the self banish but also had the added benefit that cards your opponent controls or in their hand are banished with them temporarily based on what card type it is. Monsters can banish monsters, spells spells, traps traps which is then complimented by on banishment effects. Maybe even copy tears by creating an ed summoning effect out of it which can maybe even include monsters spells or traps that you banished from yourself or opponent. Overlay in banishment into an xys with 1 archetype monster banished and 1 trap your opponent has banished. Then, similar to redoer, they have unique effects based on card type material, and banish cards they detach which then triggers on banishment effects of the archetype

[@perpetuallyconfused09]

Never heard of these guys before but with a name like banisharks who could resist clicking

[@tijuanagenius4320]

I played a lot of yugioh in this era and I've seriously never even seen any of these cards except sea Lancer in Lancer frogs. You dig up some obscure cards my man. Love the vids.

[@mimimic5299]

This series is so frustrating because none of the support seems to understand what the deck's monsters actually do (banish themselves and return). All the support does stuff like retrieve or shuffle back your banished monsters, actively disrupting your own turn-to-turn field presence. Fish and Kicks in particular feels like it just wasn't designed with any understanding of how the deck was meant to function; you can seldom even meet its activation condition!

[@CodaBlairLucarioEmperor]

I feel like this is a huge issue for a lot of failed archetypes, and series.

[@trinityjackkittenstjk314]

I always felt, that most failed arch-types and vast series of like-cards, are better used in slowly teaching new players - mechanics and strategies, without getting too complex or complicated.

[@pkinsect6618]

One really weird thing about wingtortoise is that not being able to activate its effect twice off the same banish is actually not caused by the "when", but is really a specificity of the card. In comparison, egg clutch and fish rain, which have the exact same activation condition, *can* be activated multiple times off the same banish.

[@_Vengeance_]

I did know about Generation Fish (well, not that specific name, but I did know there was a bunch of Fish/Aqua/Sea Serpent banish stuff meant to work together), and even then I never realized Leviair was meant to be a part of that theme

[@blackbird7781]

Ghoti- "it's free real estate." It failed in the past but ghoti gives them a chance now

[@eightteentwo]

I love this series. In addition to the wonderful breakdown of what the cards/mechanics do and why they didn't work, they give me inspiration for custom cards to make for game design practice. As for what I'd do, I think I'd give the Generation Fish an ability that activates when they banish themselves and one that activates when they return to the field. Since I like to keep the initial flavor of cards, I might do something like change Flyfang so that it reduces the ATK of a monster when it's banished by its effect (as if it's taking one last bite before diving), and then giving it 500 ATK the turn it returns to the field. It would still be slow, and it would still not be good, but it would have a fringe use case with better support.

[@StarfieldDisarray]

This is weirdly one of the most iconic decks of early Xyz era for me. Yeah, I always think of the big decks like Wind-Ups first, but Banisharks are right alongside them as a deck I always found neat. Maybe it's the "weird" name of Generation Fish/Banisharks that makes them stand out.

[@etsaorned]

I had no idea this archtype existed except the 3 water types. Could you also make a video about the nordic archtype? I think that archtype also qualifies as a failed cards and mechanics, especially with the nordic gods Odin and Thor.

[@ultradolp1335]

A common theme of how an archetype/mechanic fail consists of - Clunkiness to use (requiring monster in banished zone when they banish themselves during battle phase) - Mediocre payoff (the special summon is nice but doesn't extend the play due to you losing out a monster from field anyway, the burn is laughable for most part) - Incohesive in-archetype synergy (monster banish themselves and come back later, but then you need to use those monster that would return as a cost) - Lack of powerful endboard/boss I think a "banish itself and come back later" effect can work, even as a rogue strategy. But it needs to be tagged with good payoff and coherent structure. It lends itself well to a grind game where you are dodging destruction effect (which means you kind of want it on a spell speed 2). A good example to reference is the weather painter. If we reference the above list - Not as clunky as the gameplan is simple to set up continue spell/trap that are searchable within the archetype - Individual payoff may not be huge but given you can do it multiple times a turn (provided you have the monster to banish themselves), and a lot of the effect help you to just search for consistency - Style of gameplay lend very well in terms of accumulating advantage overtime, while also conserving resources through the weather and monster effect - While not game-breaking, the spell/trap provide some decent interruption and the link 3 is quite good as well Even then it isn't a meta deck right now, but at least it has enough synergy to hold its own on casual play. The generation fish is just all-over the place for what it wants and the best card in it is better outside of its own archetype for some reason

[@sagacious03]

Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!

[@cyberdoga5728]

Aeroshark was actually an anime card used by the titular Reginald "Shark" Kastle and so is Big Jaws. I think what happened is you confused some of those cards with being a part of Generation Fish due to the overlap with banish being in the card text.

[@TheWizardMus]

Yeah but both Big Jaws and Aeroshark have completely different effects in the anime because they were changed to make them part of this theme in the tcg

[@cyberdoga5728]

@@TheWizardMus In a weird way I do not think that is the case since Aeroshark just feels like a nerf and a readjustment for a burn effect, and Big Jaws just seems like a completely different card from the anime and is thematically very different from the rest of the Gen Fish line if it was meant to support them. I just want to say however, thank god Ghoti continued the idea into the modern day.

[@enochholbert6924]

This video was awesome. I never heard of these cards before lol. It’s a cool idea I wish they would’ve made decent cards for the arc type

[@crystal6675]

Amogus, Also, I would like a failed mechanics of Crystal Beasts

[@WarpChaos]

They're coming back though

[@federicodc]

Submersible Carrier Aero Shark wasn't even a support for them initially. In the anime it burned for every card in hand instead of banished cards. As to why they decided to change it, no one knows.

[@williamelliott186]

This is one of the decks that I to this day will STILL try to make work, I love my sylvans, ignights and ghostricks, but banish sharks just always made me feel cool!

[@gkarak1996]

I have thought of an archetype that uses aqua monsters that can banish your opponent monsters or your monsters and when banished,the main deck monsters give you tokens to summon the link monsters. Example Pearlholder sea urchin Water. Aqua. Level 3. 1600/1400 Eff: While this card is banished you can special summon it. If this card is banished, special summon 3 "pearlholder" tokens(water/aqua/level 2/800/800).

[@EXFrost]

U need to put a hard once per turn on that or the game would become a powercreeped combo hellscape when that card released

[@gkarak1996]

@@EXFrost maybe on the token effect. It is not like you can easily banish it anyway even in its own archetype.

[@kringe700]

Tbh Ghoti is more of a somewhat generic Water pile support than a standalone archtype. I can't really say if they are good enough (since I'm a MD only pleb), but it seems like a good consistency boost and additional endboard choices.

[@calamarimo2855]

Their new level 6 synchro is also entirely generic materials, plus almost single handedly sets up your banish/graveyard for your plays during your opponents turn if you can also get the floating effect. If ghoti gets just like 1 or 2 main deck starters it could be a pretty decent splashable engine, I feel

[@blackbird7781]

It is good. Very good but not good enough for the meta. A good fuck you to tear players tho

[@elduende4564]

I use ghoti mainly pure and they're very strong

[@ygodecktestertube]

Because of Ghoti, all of the Generation Fish can be used now.

[@Romeo_of_Romelution]

Can you do a top 10 for cards that steal your opponent's monster

[@raze_]

Pretty sure that already exists.

[@Romeo_of_Romelution]

@@raze_ link?

[@Romeo_of_Romelution]

@@magicball3201 thanks

[@lambsaucefinder7407]

Back in the day, i have made a good use of Rescue rabbit and leviair Rr > banish to Sp 2 level 3s from deck > Xyz summin leviair > bring back Rr with leviair's effect > banish to sp more normal monsters to xyz again

[@gatocochino5594]

Rescue Rabbit is HOPT.

[@lambsaucefinder7407]

@@gatocochino5594 yeah i knew that. It was back in my school days when the rule doesnt matter lol

[@MoonMoverGaming]

I don't think it's fair to say that these cards failed. Not every card is meant to be a meta staple. It looks to me like these cards were designed with two goals in mind: •Cement the new rules term "banish" in player's minds. By having it show up on a bunch of common cards in the set that also introduced Xyz summoning, the Banisharks succeeded in that goal. •Convey the feeling of fish that jump up out of the water to attack you. A+.

[@Demento56]

Fun fact: Ghoti is a linguistics joke which is actually pronounced "fish"

[@Zetact_]

It actually isn't.

[@limestone1709]

The gh comes from words like “enough”, where it’s an F. The o from words like “women”, where it’s an “I” sound for some reason. The ti from words like “action” where it becomes a sh sound

[@Zetact_]

@@limestone1709 Except literally nobody would read it that way and also that each of the examples you gave has required linguistic sections for those areas. It's equivalent to those paleontologists who pieced together skeletons wrong and claimed it was a new discovery.

[@Demento56]

@@Zetact_ "Ghoti is a linguistics JOKE" First time encountering humor in the wild?

[@Zetact_]

@@Demento56 Jokes need to attempt to be funny.

[@Captain_Olimar]

It’s funny because Skystarray was actually viable in Duel Links for a while when paired with Marik’s Payback skill. It was a fun gimmick for a while

[@chdest4550]

Aero Shark was a lot better in the anime (surprise surprise). In the anime, it dealt more damage, also, it dealt damage for each card in your hand. Granted, its still not very good, but its way better and could possibly go in a gimmicky burn deck.

[@thepiratedoggo1996]

banisharks were a cool concept, but sadly even revised with the Ghoti, wasn't so hot. but certainly is still fun to play around with in a more casual format.

[@bclagnese]

I've got to wonder....If Konami knows what the hell they're doing half the time.

[@enbyrogue3740]

There was very little recursion for these banished cards, but Shiranui worked pretty well off the concept of banishing for good effects

[@supremeking6694]

Who else uses this series of monsters together with "Ghoti" archetype?

[@LordLexand]

Oh F!sh!

[@darkness9704]

I use Oh F!sh! in a fish decks in Duel Links. With cards like Beautunaful, D. Fissure and discard traps like Karma Cut. It's not bad and does come up often enough.

[@ToSMaster12345]

Whoever translated / named these cards as "Ghoti" is an absolte meme lord and deserves 10 internet points.

[@swiftgallade46]

For tagging out there’s also the Fortune Lady field spell which was kinda fun for a bit

[@touhoux8593]

if the spell and traps always let special summon fishes from the banished zone as adittional effect and the fishes had generic fish,sea serpent and aqua support effects if they are summoned it wouldnt just fit the ideia of the archtype but give it a great boost in power, although i think it would be fair to lock to those 3 type of monsters when using spells and traps because their spammability would be already too great and allowing for generic extra deck monsters to be used, maybe would be too powerfull. I also think that a boss monster that could banish itself as quick effect and return at the end phase would be more fitting for the archtype.

[@senny-]

The Generation Fish walked so that Ghoti can run

[@ytmndman]

I once used skystarray in a really obnoxious gimmick deck that would completely lock down the opponent and slowly poke them to death with direct attacks. I forget how it worked exactly but multiple people cussed me out online when I played it.

[@bingo36able]

This is one of my all time favourite decks and I wish it had been designed better. I love using Skystarray to poke and then putting up some Wingtortoise and other level 3 monsters like Shark Stickers to XYZ summon or to use as fodder for Scrubbed Raid. I think there was real potential here in the monsters, Wingtortoise in particular.

[@NovaAnastasia]

I didnt even know most of these existed. I think this is around the time I took an extended break from the TCG.

[@GmanTheTank]

Every time another failed mechanic video comes out it gives me ideas for casual play haha

[@JahanSoundSystem]

Ahhhh I remember skystarray. When I got back into ygo I built a deck based around banishment. Skystarray was a part of it and I used it with soul absorption. Had also the usual pomu for a banish deck, macro, d.prison, necroface, etc. Deck is bad but seeing skystarray brought back memories. Also, this video is the first I heard of the Ghoti archetype and I see what you did there Konami. You cleaver pomu

[@juliuswatcher1157]

So is that the point of all those spells and traps that required banished sea monsters? I always thought those were to synergy with some of the cards that Nasch/Shark used in the Zexal anime, even using the Different Dimension Deepsea Trench spell. Also: that is the "archetype" Leviar comes from. Joined the Catastor group of awesome cards coming from underwhelming archetypes.

[@DrogenFruit]

No matter what people say about ghoti, it is easily the archetype with the best art

[@limestone1709]

And the name is a good pun too

[@universalperson]

@@limestone1709 "Gee each owe tea eye smells fish."

[@emred4653]

First time i dont know the cards youre talking about. İnteresting

[@cirnospaghet]

I like to think that this archetype was the prototype for Ghoti

[@joanaguayoplanell4912]

This kinda feels like a spiritual successor of Legacy of the Worthless... I have to say, tough, Ghoti is pretty good. It's just that Tearalaments and Splights are WAY too broken for anything else to realistically compete.

[@Trekkie46]

I seriously never noticed that Oh Fish! is actually the original Trap Hole artwork with Flyfang photobombing it. That's hilarious.

[@douglassantana7653]

I don't know about this mechanic, but I believe a lot of cards that aren't played nowadays could get a revival if the semi-limited and limited lists in TCG, OCG and Master Duel were like in Duel Links. A lot of different decks would be created if the staples were super limited like in the mobile game.

[@EXFrost]

U think gen fish or any of these other failed decks can be viable during ishizu tear format if we used the duel links banlist style? Most staples arent limited or anything. Unless ur proposing the biggest banlist in the games history, changing the way the list works would hardly affect the best decks

[@saiyan_princestudios9790]

Oh fish is actually an awesome tech card. I used it in duel links often with beautunafish in my shark deck.

[@polocatfan]

I kinda think Ghoti are a spiritual successor to these. EDIT:??? Ghoti are REALLY good my man. They're at least tier 2.

[@GenericGMR]

As someone who tried making this deck work in duel links, and failed even with the lower power level, I can give some insight on how to make the deck better. -Focus more on the "banish" side of the strategy. The fact that the best way to banish fish/sea serpents/aquas is beautunaful princess' self-banish, running macro cosmos, or using gold sarc to banish a monster from deck is depressing.. The easiest way to accomplish this is to make support kinda like what they did with the deepsea diva support, or ghoti archetype. Maybe make a way to search beautunaful, add support based off it, and actually try and make it more combo oriented. Another way to accomplish this would be to make them like floowandereze monsters; make it so they can only be banished upon being removed from the field. Or, y'know, make a snake rain equivalent that banishes 4 fish/ss/aquas from deck. -Make a better payoff than airorca, fish & kicks, and oh f!sh. Even then, the deck wasn't able to really stand on its own simply due to the fact that the payoffs were kinda mediocre. Adding extra deck monsters that, for instance, had an effect to banish themselves for a turn in order to negate, destroy, or banish cards would have made the deck so much better. -Make better combo tools to prevent their turns from being "normal summon airorca, set 3 traps, pass" in order to give them options. Even if they were to limit you to summoning fish/ss/aqua monsters for the turn, it would at least let them play the game. Heck, they could even just consolidate the entire banish shark and shark archetype into one deck and it would be so much better! If they did any 2 of these 3 things, the deck would feel so much better. If they make it more self-banish focused and helped it swarm the field, it would probably work well with existing water support. If they make actual boss monsters and made them self-banish reliant, they would be able to use the existing shark/water support in order to help build a board, and they could easily run a control package (for example, paleozoics, kragen + gozen, etc). If they made them a better payoff and gave them combos, they could completely scrap the idea of banishing their own cards, effectively reworking the deck like they did with vampires. As it stands, the deck is a tragedy, but I feel like if they tried, they can easily make them playable.

[@heylisten7266]

This archetype was one of the first to come out in duel links and was tempting to play with hammer shark decks. Beautunaful Princess banished itself to summon a fish from deck (usually hammer shark), and that effect was powerful enough to want to use other cards to get it back. Unfortunately, duel links only ever got one Beautunaful Princess (mako level up reward), making these cards not viable to use with that deck either :/

[@dhanyl2725]

Nah, ghoti is fine, tear and spright are simply absurd

[@EdanR]

I remember trying to make this even slightly decent back in the day, and just going, "Okay, I've banished my cards! Now what." I think the best I settled on was a stall strategy utilizing Soul Absorption, with Earthbound Immortal Chacu Challhua as the boss monster. It was kind of sad.

[@parkouremaster]

Aero Shark should have kept his original anime effect, dealing 400 damage for every card in your hand, at best a 1600 on burn damage, more useful.

[@opinionofmine3238]

This is the second time in the past two weeks in which I discover a custom card archetype I made already existed.

[@rg03500]

Skystray actually saw some play in really early DL in weevil burn decks with Temple of the Minds Eye, super obnoxious back then

[@Quasartist]

No comment on the Banisharks since I didn't come back into Yugioh until well over a year later, but this is the first time I've looked at any of the Ghoti archetype cards and they look sick. Might have to build them

[@EXFrost]

They look like they could have actually been a meta contender if not for tearalements ruining the meta for eons to come

[@MerrorCat]

Fun fact for those unaware: "Ghoti" is legitimately pronounce as "Fish"

[@equinox3861]

No it's not lol. Taking sounds from different parts of words and combining them together to make a new word doesn't mean the pronunciation carries over.

[@jamesbrincefield9879]

Is very rare that I see a card I’m not familiar with but I legitimately didn’t know most of the cards in this video existed.

[@misterlinux9290]

Barians: "you fishes walked so I could run"

[@mdudegamer]

Oh, hey. I just learned about these in Hardleg's N/R Fish duels.

[@albertorodrigomolinasortiz471]

I'm a big fish guy, but never used these guys. I was always more into adding extra options to my current fishies, and these didn't play well with older cards. I did have fun with Sea Lancer in what I called my "Jawsman deck". It used water beasts and beast warriors with Horn of the Phantom Beast. Sea Lancer teamed up well with Fenrir.

[@Snowthree]

You need strong 'enter the battlefield' type effects, cards which trigger off of cards being unbanished, and it wouldn't hurt for a few effects which function off of how many cards you have banished. Maybe throw in a few extremely powerful board wipes as well that require a specific monster to be banished (since your own monsters could dodge via banish).

[@jamesskaine4877]

I think they could do with a banish trap, similar to hand traps, such as a monster that puts itself into the grave from banish to do stuff that normal hand traps do. To make them a bit balanced you wouldn't give them a way to banish themselves, meaning the deck would need to be able to run them in some way to prevent them from just becoming generic one ofs, which makes the game more fun in my opinion

[@hawkticus_history_corner]

Wingtortoise being an If that can only have one proc per banish would help, and then having the rest be Quick Effect banishes would probably have made them viable. Though Air Orca with a Quick may have been a tad silly on release.

[@swarrior67]

I might be high on copium, but if Konami gives more opportunities to Ghoti, for sure they can be great. Although they're not the best they for sure have such fun builds to tinker with.

[@youtubeuniversity3638]

Top 10 cards whose design is antithetical to modern card design.

[@wolfie-_-ranger7932]

When you mentioned a card that was centered around banishing from the field and coming back later, I was sure you would mention The Weather.

[@OfficialMisuki]

Weather painters?

[@manuelpavanello90]

This is the proof that Wingtortoise wasn't a Pokémon glitch, but a Yu-Gi-Oh card. Still, it was real.

[@jshtng78]

They need a archetype hard-locked Continuous Spell that can set and activate from hand after the opponent activates a certain number of card effects on their turn with the effect that until it is negated or removed from the field the Banishark player can permanently banish at Spell Soeed 4 any 1 Banishark archetype card from their hand to negate and also permanently banish any card activated OR special summoned by their opponent.

[@M_Alexander]

These videos make me want to see a "Low Tier Tournament" using only card sets and archetypes that never got much play

[@bloosh7425]

Being able to bring them out from banish at the time you choose might be good. But i can see that breaking the game if someone were to change an op cards type to fish/sea serpent

[@bigbobbylivesxd5604]

Zone blocking I think would make an interesting video

[@wanttogetfood]

And now there are Ghoti

[@SirGrimly]

I know they aren't really mechanics... but it would be interesting to see this series expand into archtypes that failed or didn't survive in the various metas they were in (Perhaps starting with Gravekeepers since it was the first ever archtype printed and also the first to fail)

[@Bezaliel13]

But they are "cards." jk

[@SirGrimly]

@@Bezaliel13 I personally feel like if Duel Logs did do a failed card series for archetypes it would it's own series separate from this one.

[@Bezaliel13]

@@SirGrimly Would it? If so, _why?_ I mean, some of these videos, like Spiders and the God Cards, only work in the "Cards" part of "Failed Cards *AND* Mechanics."

[@SirGrimly]

@@Bezaliel13 Because archetypes (to my understanding) are more than just cards and mechanics... they are entire decks and game plans that extend beyond just one card type or one mechanic (even with spiders is was a small subset of cards you could never build an entire archetypal deck with and god cards are just three cards with a metric shit ton of support that lack the synergies that the Blue Eyes or Dark Magician archetypes have after all of the support those singular cards got).

[@Bezaliel13]

@@SirGrimly On the other hand, I think TDL mistakenly called this _series_ an archetype. *If so,* got to question if they know that.

[@kanrakucheese]

How about spell/trap removal that's worse than MST for this or the unknown side series? Anti Spell, Anti Trap, Dust Tornado, Twister etc. Lots of cards people haven't used since MST was unlimited.

[@anguy2k]

The fish spell cards are actually really good now

[@rajkanishu]

I just realized right now that Carrier Aero Shark's real effect is not the one we see in the Zexal anime, lol

[@chrisshorten4406]

This archetype was a lot of fun to play (especially when using Sky Star Ray top just keep poking the opponent). What if ther monsters actually replaced themselves when banished with another one from the deck, and then came back on the next turn?

[@beaksters]

I’ve always liked banishing cards because I like cards staying gone when I get rid of them.

[@mattbaltimore7195]

Ghoti seems to be the successor but that's more of a Synchro-based archetype..... They deserve a Rank 3 turbo and Levair not the only Extra deck one being WIND w/ an aquatic monster type.....