Can the Empire Trust the Clone Commandos to Train the Stormtroopers?

We recently found out in the Bad Batch that Clone Commandos are being used to train the new TK Troopers for the Project War Mantle. Will these mutated clones stay loyal to the Empire?
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[@osedebame3522]

I mean, using special forces to train troops had been a thing for a while right?

[@eddieram435]

Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan...Not only us, but the Russians do so as well. For example look at Syria, the rebel factions of Donestk and Donbass. Those are Russian trained militias.

[@bliblablubb9590]

What he tried to explain is this video is that the loyalty of commandos is not guaranteed. Palpatine could easily give Commandos access to recruits and resources only for some savy Commandos to create their own personal army. They cannot be trusted to not defect, rebell or be corrupt if things are not going to their plan. If they are dissatisfied, they have enough knowledge to do considerable damage. Like the CIA and the Contras in real life.

[@snake45aiman]

Yeah like green beret

[@duncanmcgee13]

Last wars innovations are the next wars standard practices

[@jacobmorales1283]

Yep

[@kozaamovies1779]

I just hope that Filoni has his own apprentice who will continue with making Star Wars a better franchise

[@evanmack8527]

I wish it was me

[@uploadkitty]

Always two there are. No more, no less.

[@kozaamovies1779]

@@uploadkitty I was waiting for someone who would write this

[@Dakarai_Knight]

Filoni is young he's still got this

[@kozaamovies1779]

@@Dakarai_Knight for now…

[@rc59191]

It makes sense for Commandos to be training new Stormtroopers. They were partially based on the Green Berets who's job it is to train indigenous forces.

[@G59forlife.]

I would nut to a lego clone commando

[@youcanthandlemyname7393]

yeah but the training the commandos had vs the training the storm troopers needed was vastly different. for example the commandos were trained to operate in small units and handle covert missions like espionage, assassination, and sabotage. they were not trained to operate in larger units on massive battle fields which is why the commandos that were deployed improperly during the invasion of geonosis were almost completely wiped out despite being extremely skilled. like generation tech said the type of special forces unit that would have done well in training the storm troopers were the arc troopers, clone commanders, or even just loyal clone troopers. clone comandos would have done well in training imperial commandos and possibly isb agents but not traditional military combat personnel.

[@eddapultstab2078]

@@youcanthandlemyname7393 its another case of misrepresentation like the jedi, who at the moment had no understanding whatsoever about military operations in general, are seen as mere shock troops and not what they really are. The skills for combat and formations can either be taught or taught better than them.

[@theempiredidnothingwrong3227]

I always thought they were closer to Delta Force because they operate in small four man teams vs berets who usually operate in six to twelve and they specialize in CQB. Plus Delta Squad Delta Force I mean come on there's gotta be a parallel.

[@IsItFunorNot]

@@youcanthandlemyname7393 commandos are equivalent to green berets in today's military. Green berets act as special forces as well as training instructors of new militaries. They now how to perform large scale warfare just like a regular grunt and can teach the new militaries this.

[@promiscuouscrab4040]

Troopers: *We fight for the empire because we’re supposed to.* Commandos: *We fight for the heck of it because we like to!*

[@Nik-fz3fi]

Yes they can. Gregor has just been through much more than a typical commando and has brain damage causing his loyalty and priorities to differ from typical clones.

[@myyklmax]

From the information, I have gathered from this posting, and other media about the clone commandos, they are Mission Oriented. This means they they are given a mission to fulfill, and give the leeway in their methodology in completing it. This encourages independent thinking, and not blind loyalty to any higher command authority. They act autonomously....with the Empire deems radical and subversive.

[@pfapollo4927]

They were probably train a new special unit because we know that other basic clones and clone commanders trained TK troopers on kamino. This would make scene because they are on a hidden base and they were among the first to have a new generation of armor

[@neofulcrum5013]

I wonder if they’ll follow sev’s storyline. Have him be a rogue clone that gets added to Rex’s underground network.

[@freerealestate6531]

Is it just me or does the Phase 1 Stormtrooper armor look way cooler than the Original armor we’re used to seeing?

[@heathward9239]

I love you Allen

[@heathward9239]

❤️

[@mrupperland1303]

I'm sure he loves you too

[@gwak9693]

@@mrupperland1303 platonically

[@themutualfriend5286]

Damn watching that clone commando go toe to toe in hand to hand combat with the bad batch had me shooketh but amazed at the same time.

[@JeanLucCaptain]

I love how Disney is just bringing back all this "not canon" content as and when it suits them. So they can pretend they made it in the first place. I guarantee that in 30 years the entire legends continuity will have been officially re-installed as DISNEY Canon once so they can milk it just as if they released it themselves. Edit: actually no THE FUCKERS just rewrote the rule of two. So it's EVEN WORSE!

[@ShinoYomo]

Honestly if they wanted to do this, they could have just gone the route of Marvel and DC and say "Multiple universes and timelines." It would allow more people to enjoy old and new content and for writers to expand not just one set of story telling but creating new ones and expanding those storylines

[@JeanLucCaptain]

@@ShinoYomo Even then it's a big galaxy so just have this take place in some unexplored part!

[@nico-v113]

Wow you’re cranky. It’s really not a big deal at all. Legends is a convoluted mess that completely screws with the movies in terms of grand scale, so of course it makes sense to ground the whole thing and pick and choose what works best with the current canon. You can word it however you want to make it sound bad, but it’s really nothing like how you’re making it seem.

[@kcjc]

The problem is commandos and ARCs are barely focused on in the Clone Wars, so we don’t really have much of anything to go off with how they’re like as a whole.

[@kcjc]

@@jmrjosh5586 I’ve read the four commando novels, the imperial commando novel, played the game, watched the micro series, read the tie-in comics to that series and read most of the Republic comics. My point is none of that is canon anymore so in canon we don’t have much to go off of. Especially commandos since our only canon knowledge of them comes from a handful of Clone Wars episodes and the Bad Batch series.

[@H4WKB13]

@@jmrjosh5586 almost all of this is not canon anymore though and could differ wildly to how it works in canon now.

[@danikirk5774]

Hey, Delta Squad was in the Clone Commando book series. They showed up to help Kal, Val, and Omega Squad to do the mission on Coresaunt, and defected with them at least in the book Order 66.

[@lylesmith1317]

The armor for the new stormtroopers should have been the design for the first-order troopers. Would have been cool to see that armor in live action.

[@Gmoney21388]

To me, it makes sense from The Empire's perspective to have Commandos training these new brand of troopers. They want to get these troopers off to a good start, so have the best of their existing military take charge of their training. Meanwhile, use the regs to maintain The Empire as it is, and have the TKs take over when they're ready. Yes, Commandos are significantly more independent than their reg counterparts, but just like the Bad Batch, they likely don't have anywhere to go. They may not agree with the transition, it may even sicken them, but they may not have a choice.

[@cooldime3086]

Your my favorite star wars channel

[@dragonleo_]

The empire is worried about clones showing loyalty but years later many stormtroopers ended joining the rebellion.

[@jakek3293]

My only thoughts after watching this are that I miss Sev and I need to go dig my original xbox out of the basement urgently

[@sterasigma8734]

The Stormtrooper helmets used in the Bad Batch appears more practical than the flawed ones used later down the timeline. Wonder what happened? I still don't understand why Kaminoans never used cloning technology to solve food shortage crises or develop more mundane yet still profitable genetic technologies like organ cloning and GM crops? Surely their demand is far greater than...I don't know, clones?

[@aviatorengineer3491]

Speaking of ARCs being more useful for training the new TKs, I can't recall seeing them in The Bad Batch much if at all. Seeing one here or there would definitely have spiced up the Bad Batch's encounters with the Empire.

[@NathanielMiller]

The Republic Commando novels were thrown out of canon, even before Disney bought Lucasfilm. So Omega Squad already doesn't exist, and what we saw of Delta Squad may not even be the same unit. Plus, the clones in the RC novels didn't have inhibitor chips, so everything we knew from there means nothing. These commandos are probably in about the same position as Crosshair, at best.

[@H4WKB13]

@@jmrjosh5586 everything in Legends? If you are a so called "true fan" you'd know that half of the legends stuff contradicts each other even without it being taken out of canon. Removing all that BS is the best thinh that could happen to SW.

[@lennarthumpf8031]

i mean the base with the clone commandos wasnt a massive galaxy controlling military base sized installation so mabey it was some kind of special training course for a few promising recruits

[@okleon]

I like to think they are only temporarily training them before they can get a more efficient way of training the Stormtroopers. I want those commandos on the field!

[@emberfist8347]

Yes it is ARC Troopers they have to worry about as they are the ones who weren’t given the docility tampering

[@bigcazza5260]

republic commando is an awesome game, if ur sitting there going screw cyberjunk and screw drm and screw lootboxes then try republic commando

[@Josh24861]

For the algorithm! For the channel!

[@armalite749]

Good soldiers follow orders.

[@etazeta674]

GT: using Commandos to train a peacekeeping force is kinda overkill Me: HAVE YOU MET THE EMPIRE?!?

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

The deserting clone commandos are now just legends....

[@lancer737]

Why? We see them in Rebels.

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

@@lancer737 Woops. I still need to watch Rebels. 😂 Ouch, yet another spoiler.

[@NerdWithGuns]

The only commando we see is Gregor after he deserts though… one of several thousand doesn’t equate to the large numbers we saw in legends

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

@@NerdWithGuns That's what I meant.

[@darkjediknight2923]

AOTC: "They are totally obedient and will obey any order without question."

[@nickvinsable3798]

I think its more of a logistical issue. The Republic, now the Post-Order 66 Empire, has the majority of their rank & file clone troopers in security details. Thus the Empire is technically using any & all forces they could spare to train naturally born people into soldiers, thus Arc Troopers, Commandos, & more are technically the only clones they could actually spare for training. Now, there is something I believe is overlooked: Stormtroopers aren’t army nor navy troopers, they’re different. As such, it makes reasonable sense that the kinds of soldiers best suited to storm into enemy spaceships & such would be Clone Commandos, not rank & file Clonetroopers. Go over Germany’s WW1 & WW2 Stormtroopers & it’ll all come together…

[@swanson4ever416]

Do you think in the new season of the mandalorian will we see any commandos if they go to mandalor or at least maybe see any with their armor

[@G59forlife.]

Itd be cool if the commando repainted and maybe redesigned some parts of his armor to look more mando, and then become a part of Dins team.

[@ddpzzp553]

@@G59forlife. they would be as old as rex in rebelds wouldnt they?

[@G59forlife.]

@@ddpzzp553 I remember mandalorian being after the civil war. But I've only watched Mandalorian once and haven't finished rebels sooo

[@H4WKB13]

@@ddpzzp553 older even. Mando takes place several years after RotJ and Rebels was mostly between Episode 3 and 4.

[@thatlittletrainguy8678]

I just want kal skirata and the null arcs unchanged in cannon. Those books are my childhood, and I hope one day to share them with my children

[@TheDrow79]

Maybe the TK troopers for project War Mantle is designed to become Special Forces rather then regular Storm Troopers or maybe they're there for a specific training e.g Gurilla Warfare or Esponiage before getting shipped out for more basic training with Regular Clones?

[@c6904]

I think Alan should be a show runner his ideas are always interesting

[@logandaley1544]

I loved the Republic Comando video game, I wish they made another in the series. Or a remake would be cool too

[@TheAusar]

Wait, how is "Republic commando" and underrated video game? Literally everyone who ever talks about it says it's great.

[@ethrsag735]

So this video just gave me an idea that would be absolutely brilliant to see executed. In the case of them increasing their power and influence what if the Children of the Watch reinforced/reimplemented the 'never remove ones helmet' as a response to taking in clone commandos and using said tenet to protect their identities when the Empire took power?

[@set7-o8w]

Delta was in the republic commando books… a lot… from triple zero all the way though imperial commando

[@tba113]

The clone troopers should have _always_ been set up as instructors and 'advisors' for conventional freebirth troops. They're far too hideously expensive to waste in line-infantry formations. I mean, they're undeniably effective on the battlefield, but normal human soldiers would have been just as effective 99% of the time. Ideally, the first wave of clones would have been divided into two types: spec-ops, and trainers/advisors. The special forces units would tie up the droid armies in an effort to buy a year or so of time, while the trainers and advisors would be spread across the loyal Republic worlds to direct local defenses and organize the training of freebirth recruits. Of course, that's assuming the clone troopers are intended to successfully _defend_ the Republic. Palpatine's plan, on the other hand, intended the clone troopers to be flashy, easily identifiable as 'his' boys, and decent on the battlefield - but above all, hideously expensive. They could not be allowed to win the war for the Republic without bankrupting it first. So, millions of clone troopers were deployed in ways that carried high risks with at best moderate rewards. Given how capable and expensive clone troopers are, it was never going to add up to rely on them exclusively for basic military deployment roles.

[@MrPhilbautista]

If they can bring back Maverick to teach in Top Gun, then there’s no limit to who Hollywood script writers can get to become an instructor, no matter how unrealistic it may seem.

[@bigcazza5260]

the empire better hope since they just took out kamino

[@wolfauer7560]

As far as I've seen, the stormtroopers are like the marine corps of the empire, there's other base units like the one han solo was in or the regular empire guys you see in rogue one. So the commandos training them would actually help.

[@Dodey2257]

I'm going to piss people off ,the crates at 5:58 are from mass effect

[@nickirmen6671]

I still feel like Filoni will just bring back certain legends elements, but not full plots, like maybe when the empire doesn't need the Clone Commandos anymore they begin the process of them becoming those cyborg Phase II or Phase III DarkTroopers

[@khalilgray6903]

After seeing how Gregor sabotage the new Stormtrooper Corps nope probably not

[@MXR_Sparky]

Actually delta are in the novels.

[@TheLordofHosts1]

Did anyone else almost miss the "is" in "my name is Allen" I had to listen to it a second time to make certain it was not Allen trolling with "My name Allen".

[@jamiewalsh3349]

Well if you are going to train the next generation of supertroopers you might as well have the best do the coaching.

[@bensonfang1868]

Well he wanted clones that weren’t too attached to the Jedi. In legends clone commandos answer to Jedi general Arligan Zeb, director of special forces. However, it seems that in canon, all special forces and commandos answered to palpatine

[@gabrielhinojosa3261]

I feel like they are but if they altered like the bad batch they are loyal due to a sense of duty or its because order 66 and the chips being able to still make the neurological connection..

[@caboose7926]

Maybe you could make a video on what happened to valorum after palpatine created the empire

[@adamfisher4684]

I think it's going to be interesting to see if the clone commandos will be able to emotionally connect with the stormtroopers or if they will just be robotic. I can't wait to see what Dave Filoni comes up with!

[@anonymous_coward]

First off I don't see why the clone commandos would have any problem with training new commandos itself. The issue I think they would have is one of simply being told what to do without any sort of personal gratification. So if the Empire were paying the clone commandos I don't think there would be any problem. But most likely they are not and I think it should go about as well as getting a bunch of Mandalorian mercs to do a job for no pay.

[@loganbrodet4600]

1:46 they have completed him

[@funniclockman614]

It makes sense since the Commandos have inhibitor chips too so most never had a chance to desert from the Empire. Also, i didn't like the novels so if most of that stays in legends i'd be happy.

[@ggt47]

They did the commandos dirty.

[@JR-eu8ck]

Their fighting The Bad Batch a squad of genetically enhanced defective clone commandos and a cyborg ARC Trooper 🤷

[@MistahFox]

It's possible the Operation on Daro is to train elite Stormtrooper Commando unites, and the rank and file troopers haven't really been created yet.

[@lerneanlion]

So the problems with the Stormtroopers are not with training but more like the materials and the designs of the armors. After all, they are the strong cannon fodders for the Empire. That means they can put up quite some good fights but at the same time, but their armors are not as strong as that of the clone troopers and thus, they are easy to be replaced if some of them died.

[@goodmind4940]

Not as strong??? Clones die from blasters and stormtroopers are only knocked out, something doesn't add up here

[@HolyknightVader999]

Rampart did want skilled clones to train Stormtroopers.

[@FATMAN_tactical]

My guess is that they are pulling ideas from reality. US special forces regular train and work with friendly forces.

[@GLTLegislator]

Good soldiers follow orders

[@benhenderson8952]

Imagine they showed their wrist blades like in Dice’s Battlefront 2 game

[@Shadowkiller-dq2ju]

Stormtroopers are elite soldiers and not the main infantry

[@daddyhart8735]

They are probably being trained in counter insurgent tactics. I don’t know just a thought

[@Spvrky_05]

7:25 whats this comic series plz?

[@akumaghostblade1265]

Yoo Alan did you think that clone commando that looks like scorch to actually be scorch or an Easter egg?

[@wookie5723]

hello

[@redjupiter2236]

I wonder if Filoni watches these videos, I wouldn't be surprised, he's as much of a nerd as all of us

[@spoktv3343]

I thought that null arcs and alpa arcs are not Canon anymor

[@lancer737]

They recently made canon "pick and chose" so if you feel like it, you can just combine both and use head canon to fix any contradictions. Also Legends never were non-canon, it was 2ndary canon, which is something that is canon but doesn't have to be honored as canon, so can be made non-canon later on.

[@spoktv3343]

@@lancer737 But that makes star wars lore content more difficult to make when everyone can put something together.

[@alexeissenstat1407]

I think it would be really cool if the commandos are purposefully training the stormtroopers badly in order to spite the empire. This could explain why they are such bad shots.

[@mr.lightningbolt5815]

It’s not entirely out of place. In real life you have Army Special Forces. The Green Berets, where the main focus is to train indigenous forces in tactics to fight wars.

[@davidgiles4681]

Any time you introduce an element of individual thinking and problem-solving, you also introduce an element of potential "disloyalty" in some manner. More individual thought patterns do lead to a potential problem with loyalty. If you are in a quasi-empire (the Palpatine Republic), you want some individual thinking - but not too much. A perfect example is that A man wanted to be a police Officer. He took the test and scored too high on the intelligence part. The PD then intellectually discriminated him and not allowed the man to be a cop. The man wanted to be a cop. So, the man sued and the Federal Court said (I am not joking) "the applicant with a high intelligence may become a discipline liability within the Police Force. Thus, Police Departments can intellectually discriminate if a person scores too high on the intelligence test." Let us put this in a Military vein. The US Miliary has the ASVAB test. The higher you score- the better job you get. The US Military does not discriminate against intelligence. The US Military maintains discipline through usage of said intelligence and thus rewarding individual thought. So, this Federal case essentially said, "we want NAZI(s) in our org. "I vas just follwing orders". PD(s) want people with just enough intelligence and individual thought patterns - to enforce laws and not question the "loyalty/Constitutionality" of the law they are enforcing. Does this not sound familiar to the Nuremberg Defense, "I vas just following orders"? The same for the commandos. They were trained to think individually and act "outside the box". That would be a big no-no for a burgeoning Empire.

[@1lionyouth]

Is the the Republic Commando book series any good? Should I put it on my Audible account or pass?

[@reaperking7748]

The Republic Commando series is a wild ride, from Hard Contact to Imperial Commando. If you like a good storyline you won't be disappointed

[@1lionyouth]

@@reaperking7748 Cool. Its on my list now. Thanks

[@isakai2]

I think scar squadron aka task force 99 will be trained by the clone commandos except kreel

[@Casey-jn3ib]

The commandos aren’t traitors like CT-7567.

[@RayvenTheNight]

Republic Commando or as like to call it. Halo : StarWars Edition

[@AKUNJIG]

I bet those RCs didn't teach them everything like what Geggor did.

[@leobezard5998]

the commandos go mainstream, the edges and interesting parts smoothed away for the "wider market"

[@nickumstead]

I found it funny when those tk troopers unloaded on the unarmed commando lmao, you can see the storm troopers aim is bad even in the beginning (edit, I suppose their aim isn’t bad it’s just bad target acquisition)

[@MDJ7713]

I'd rather have them a bit modified than not at all

[@RespecterAlexander]

👍

[@steffent.6477]

Do you know why clone trooper/CC/proto Stormtrooper armor protects so little against stun shots?

[@ohnenamen2843]

If you think it’s a good idea for the commandos to train the TKs just look at their casualty numbers in the first battle of Geonosis

[@ohnenamen2843]

@@jmrjosh5586 That’s my point. I’m not saying the commandos are bad at what they are doing. They are great teir1 units in small units behind enemy lines. But they are not good in open field battles used as canon fodder…but that’s exactly what the stormtrooper corps job was

[@alberto2141]

They're probably teaching them basic training, is unlikely they teached them theirs commando skills

[@Mobystopmotion]

I mean, they clearly did a bad job.

[@H4WKB13]

You'd have a point if you didn't completely ignore most of the established canon just to focus on information that was already accepted as not being canon before Disney even bought Lucasfilm.

[@alexmaurice4274]

I hope they turn good as I still don’t love the bad batch I think they are a less cool version of the commandos they r alright but more of fantasy feel than more realisticish

[@HolyknightVader999]

Yes. Because good soldiers follow orders.

[@theliato3809]

With the mess that is canon, that being theres maybe four to six different ideas of what canon is. Filionis just making what stories he can within the animation line that Disney lets him do.

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

What a shame. Disney canon should've clarified things but it just made amazing pieces of Star Wars media "unnofficial".

[@theliato3809]

@@imnotusingmyrealname4566 Disney has effectively removed the concept of 'Canon' from star wars as a franchise and probably several other of their properties as well

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

@@theliato3809 Really? When did that happen?

[@theliato3809]

@@imnotusingmyrealname4566 its not a single event but the combination of vauge understanding of legends in regards to lucas, decanonization of the EU, TLJ causing such an upset that people lost faith in where they were going followed by ROSW, and then mandalorian effectively doing there own thing has basically rendered a concept of canon as defunct because of how much a mess star wars has become

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

@@theliato3809 My God I don't even understand what you're saying lol. What a mess, LucasArts messed up.

[@shocktrooper3335]

I'm expecting boss and sev to free hunter

[@Fortnite_Frost_Clips]

Commandos should train rebels in gorilla warfare

[@courtneydaniels5559]

After todays episode i think this will be the only appearance we see of clone commandos. Depending on how Filoni will handle the inevitable clone rebellion, which will likely happen in season 2.

[@callumdoolan2696]

Those stormtrooper helmuts don't look right

[@coltholland232]

What if Omega is actually the love child of that Jedi and the lost clone from Omega squad? 😂

[@SAR-1346]

no, because that is kad, surely?

[@GreenDragonReviews]

Well as we saw these tk troopers were total shit. So I guess the answer is no they can't really trust them. Because I think them teaching them wrong is actually on purpose. The TK troopers are like the Wimp Lo of the Star Wars universe

[@pyeitme508]

Nope and prefer Earth 🌎🌍 in Star Wars

[@SDguy3030]

Yes

[@joshuadamroth5303]

✌

[@deathsexy]

Pull up commando's at the right traders for the tk trooper They're the better trainer because they aren't experienced

[@deathsexy]

It's the TK troopers phase 2.3 armor phase 3 stormtrooper