Genesis 6 - TSM | Leffen (Pokemon Trainer) vs dB | yeti (Mega Man) Top 32 - Smash Ultimate

[@flint9064]

Oh no oh god Leffen watch out. The leaf shield is coming oh no he has his TSM headset on he cant hear us oh god oh no

[@gavin.spalding]

ThatIsJustSwell yes.

[@DREAMSQU33ZE]

I had no idea leaf shield was that good in Ultimate. Theres so many characters in Ultimate that I just can’t keep up yet.

[@poultriarchy]

not anymore. it just got the nerf hammer lmao

[@MrFamous1996]

fugl kylling Leaf Shield wasn’t touched In the new patch, has the same start-up and damage output.

[@poultriarchy]

PikaPower500 not the shield itself rather how you use it. You can’t use it (or any specials) while using pellets in the air anymore. This severely impacts his punish game because being able to use specials between pellets was pivotal in extending combos and applying pressure. For campy players, the nerf is negligible. If you want to play aggressive, however, it’s quite a smack. His leaf shield is a core component to this, if not arguably THE core component. Not being able to use specials and pellets in tandem severely stilts the shield’s effectiveness more so than any other specials.

[@Scavion]

Not as bad as it seems, Yeti was a megaman specialist in 4 and the pellet cancel accounts for less than 10% of his leaf shield usage.@@poultriarchy

[@BatterMancer]

@@Scavion more like 70% of the time in this match. Watch his close pellet encounters, leaf shield almost every time.

[@DerkerBluer]

Yeti used Macro pellet cancel for only 10% of the time of this match. The rest were only raw Leaf Shields, so even if post patch megaman does not have that option (that i'm not going to lie, it's pretty fucking broken) he is still going to be strong. Even Leffen admited that. Besides, if spamming a move on the oponent is working, why should you stop using it? Leffen never found an answer for Leaf Shield and got punished for it. Sorry for my not too great English tho

[@skrem3505]

No esperaba verte aqui jajaja

[@travitoninja99]

I mean he definitely used that tech to great advantage and it did help him a lot, but you're totally right, it's not like he only used that and Yeti put in that work! Good job on him for taking out a heavy hitter like Big LEFF, and hope Leffen comes out even stronger with his new main!

[@XC11301991]

@@travitoninja99 Tbf, in this situation Yeti would be the big hitter and Leff would be the underdog.

[@theodoreyoshelle1901]

how *do* you act against leaf shield, btw?

[@chrismikesell1546]

Spot on dude leffen and his fans just love to cry when they lose

[@LxuryGoods]

Instead of complaining about Leaf Shield. How about y’all congratulate these two for putting on an amazing set of matches? They played so well.

[@jordiekeller405]

Yeti doesn't say much in from of a camera but he is the goofiest and happiest seeming smash player I have met. He's a great guy and I was rooting for him.

[@JMXico]

Yeti just played optimal. Cant hate on him for using leaf shield, moves busted

[@MLPflutterguy]

as a smash 4 megaman main the new leaf shield is pretty hard to make use out of because you lose control in the a matter of seconds and if it's blocked you will get punished and plus retreating with it is equally as difficult for the same reasons. basically when it works it works really good, but if it doesn't it's pretty much a free hit to megaman.

[@BronzeOrwin]

ofc ofc megaman was just nerfed for no reason i swear

[@josetouzett4994]

@@BronzeOrwin I mean, King K Rool was also nerfed, along with DDD.

[@russianbot2179]

@@josetouzett4994 Everyone knew King K. Rool was getting nerfed. DDD wasn't super surprising, because he was nerfed 2 or 3 times in smash 4.

[@maxdeth2333]

The same thing could be said for Simon and richter, and people consider that tilting as all hell Edit: This is also the case with bayonetta and Mario in sm4sh, where they just had a busted option that made you feel like you weren’t able to play.

[@sylverlune]

Ok Leaf Shield maybe but it's not 'Broken. Leffen lost cause he panicked and tried to kill him desperately instead of playing patiently during the last match.

[@russianbot2179]

Leffen can't handle the pressure. He's has nothing to prove in Melee, but in Ultimate he is scared of losing because people will make fun of him, so he chokes and gets bodied.

[@inbisibleful]

@@russianbot2179 this aged badly lol he's better than most ult players

[@SamWeltzin]

PSA: Using a move when it is reasonable to do so is not the same as spamming a move.

[@RamzaBeoulves]

Being reasonable and optimal doesn't mean it's not spamming tho

[@SamWeltzin]

@@RamzaBeoulves They're not inherently self-contradictory, sure, though I would contest that he didn't spam the move in this case. Yes, he used it frequently because it's a good move, but the only reason people notice its frequency of use is because it lasts longer than most moves do. No one says Captain Falcon players spam Nair or Up Air, do they?

[@paulgordon1595]

@@SamWeltzin Someone gets it.

[@Churrros]

@@SamWeltzin I did see a video yesterday where someone did say falcon spam those moves. Then he got a lot of shit for it

[@Vuiito]

Nair and up air strings requires more skill and it’s better to watch then just someone spamming down b, walk up, pellets, down b

[@victrium1642]

Leaf shield isn't particularly OP as much as it is extremely tilting to get stuck in.

[@BronzeOrwin]

ofc ofc megaman was just nerfed for no reason i swear

[@thezerowulf507]

It looked super effective

[@Wiggymaster]

@victrium what you said, bro. Seriously, I've been kicked out of arenas for playing Mega Man... by Inkling mains. People need to stop crying and learn2play.

[@emancules]

Wiggymaster maybe find a character where nearly every attack isn’t a projectile🤷🏿‍♂️

[@Wiggymaster]

@@emancules nah, I'll just keep whipping up on scrubs and laughing at their salty tears

[@EbonySeraphim]

Watched two Leffen matches in two days where folks just complained about a move on the character played against Leffen. Yesterday it was MkLeo's Ike using nair. When you keep getting hit by a move of your opponent's, you've lost if you think "this move is broken" and can't figure out how to force something else out of your opponent. Play the match, and respect the move for the danger it poses and make adjustments to your own play. Study the punish or situations where it will predictably come out, bait it, or wait for it, It's that simple and the only difference with better players is their execution is a lot better. Leffen seems like a player that's great at this game because he is really good on the controls and execution of difficult combos and impeccable timing and reads..Leffen seems to lose (when he does) because he doesn't seem to really ever change his execution to do things his opponents aren't already dealing with. He seems to just think 'just execute better and I got this."

[@Thrallking]

To be fair MKleo's ike is pretty fucking obnoxious. Something like 50% of the moves he throws out are nair. It's braindead as fuck. He's playing optimally and you can't blame him, it's just that Ikes best move happens to lead into every other move in such a way that the optimal strategy is to be fucking insufferable.

[@bevvvy1374]

@@Thrallking It's really not braindead. You have to space extremely well for it to be relatively safe.

[@sadgeman4589]

@@bevvvy1374 It looks brain-dead, though. MKLeo is one of the best of the best and the way he uses Ike is the exact opposite of brain-dead, but it looks like it to in uninformed so thus they complain.

[@iiP1XL]

I didn't even finish this cause you lost me. You can find counters but that doesn't take away the fact a move is broken.

[@PinkArmFlexer]

@@iiP1XL A move isn't busted if it can be countered. Akuma's air fireball in SSF2 is busted because there's literally nothing to be done about it, but there are options that can be exploited in frustrating moves like Ike's Nair and Leaf Shield. Notice how Yeti has to jump at a specific angle to keep the Leaf Shield safe, and notice how Leffen almost picked up on it at the match point. Saying a move as busted is just admitting defeat against it instead of learning how to deal with it consistently.

[@shawndiaz7528]

If anyone is going to try and talk trash about leaf shield when bair loops on Pichu exist, they need to take a step back and ask themselves why they're fighting that fight

[@mrdask1728]

Back air loops work on heavier characters only reason people mad is cause megaman leaf shield is just annoying. The character is just annoying to face in general

[@shawndiaz7528]

@@mrdask1728 if they didn't want annoying characters to exist, the game wouldn't have projectiles

[@aurelionsolofficial]

@@shawndiaz7528 nor sword.

[@mrdask1728]

@@shawndiaz7528 I didnt mention once that the character shouldn't be in the game I just said he is annoying

[@shawndiaz7528]

@@mrdask1728 Not tryna put words in your mouth, just think it can't just be because he's annoying that people are hating on him rn. He's pretty on par with several other annoying characters.

[@Nnoo1987]

i mean he made it to top 32 thats pretty good i hope big leff keeps playing ultimate

[@lk7831]

He lost so is he small leff?

[@BronzeOrwin]

@@lk7831 The nickname is kind of a joke, not literal lol

[@russianbot2179]

I hope a guy who is sponsored and plays 12 hours a day gets top 32. Leffen is 100 times better than me, but he will never match up to people like MKLeo

[@pinkworm5348]

@@russianbot2179 Playing against online scrubs isn't practice. Online itself is barely practice cause of the frame delay and EU Oplayers are weaker than OnlineNA. I think he can make it top 8 at least.

[@russianbot2179]

@@pinkworm5348 top 8 at a super major? give me a break. there are way too many players better than Leffen for him to get top 8 at a super major.

[@snipnigth]

24:24 Leffen was so desperate to get that stock he didint bother to shield that sticky bomb.

[@russianbot2179]

I thought it was a smart play. A lot of people assume you will go to the ground to shield the sticky bomb, but Leffen decided to do a surprise attack instead. Very smart. Too bad Yeti saw it coming and avoided getting hit.

[@Thrallking]

I honest to god think him getting that thirsty lost him the game.

[@snipnigth]

Russian Bot thats a good point but it wasn’t ideal imo, it costed him the game, he could have played it safe and reset to neutral, he still had 4 minutes no need to rush, the most disappointing part is that he was winning by a stock, well player by Yeti

[@gaurabpant1841]

True! Leffen had this game but he chose some nervous options. 23:42 he could have punished that fair on shield with grab and back threw for a charizard fair edge guard. Crazy to think even leffen's usual clutch factor got diminished by character unfamiliarity!

[@Blittsplitt5]

People were so salty about Mega Man LMAO

[@sspurgatoryx8773]

Ppl hating on Yeti now lol this community never ceases to amaze me.

[@baneofthebread]

Gotta suck leff's sausage.

[@isaiahcampbell3992]

ikr. I remember him being kind of a fan favourite in sm4sh. What the fuck happened?

[@sasschan1956]

Pokemon trainer is cool, and mega man is not in this game. The leaf shield buff is way too much and it's kinda lame after seeing it 100 times in a set.

[@MistaOppritunity]

@@sasschan1956 A gross over exaggeration. It seems you see it a lot because the move lasts a long time. Leaf shield is a good move on a higher tier character, nothing more.

[@sasschan1956]

@@MistaOppritunity still boring so my point stands. Pokemon trainer is way cooler to a majority of people. Its why he is getting hate.

[@Kiyosuki]

Twitch chat would not shut up about this for literally hours afterwards. Like, I get that people really wanted Leffen to make top 8 and yes leaf is a bit cheap especially with the pellet cancel of pre 2.0.0 (Although like someone said it wasn't even used like that often.) but some of the hate Yeti got is just plain unfair, and indicative honestly of a lot of their inherent scrubbiness to be blunt. (and god, the character blaming for the accomplishments or shortcomings of their respective players was fucking real this weekend.) Leffen himself has even said that it mostly came down to the fact he was unfamiliar with the matchup, and also having a crisis of faith in PT's viability in a competitive setting ,which while I'm sure is debatable...the mere doubt of which is enough to throw someone's game off if it takes root in one's head mid competition. Yeah Leaf Shield is strong and so is the rest of MM's kit, but obviously considering Yeti himself got eliminated later as did other prominent Mega Man mains earlier it's obviously not insurmountable an advantage. Leffen did really well but obviously he still has a lot to learn too (And maybe another character to practice with.) Some people have got to stop being so knee jerk in their response to this stuff.

[@Chzrm3]

Leffen was also really close to winning this set and kind of fell apart during Yeti's final stock of game 5. That seems more like the reason he lost than leaf shield.

[@legreatpenguino445]

Twitch chat has been and always will be a toxic haven of morons that hate on shit for no reason. Any zoner gets way too much undeserved hate.

[@bonzwah1]

I'm pretty sure the leaf shield is only looking so strong because leffen doesn't have any matchup experience here. poor guy, but knowledge is part of the skill check at a tournament.

[@russianbot2179]

please. Leffen got bodied by megaman's powerful aerials constantly, and even got hit by forward smash. leffen did a stupid flare blitz, failed to recovery with zard's up-b. Leffen lost because he isn't that great, not because of leaf shield.

[@23TheOneAndOnly23]

@bonzwah1 You basically just johnned for Leffen.

[@chefcinnabutter]

To be fair, PT has a horrible match-up against mega man. Squirtle can combo, but can't kill, Charizard gets hit by everything and is easily the worst of the 3, and ivysaur just loses. Ivysaur's biggest strength is spacing, which is a core part of mega man gameplay. 1 razor leaf loses to 1 pellet, and pellet is less laggy than razor leaf. Leffen played extremely well, and I'd argue he actually outplayed Yeti most of the time. He ended up choking in the final game which cost him a set he should've won. He could've gotten top 8 at G6. If this was 2.0.0 more than likely he would've won, but still with trouble.

[@ShowMeYaMovez]

@@23TheOneAndOnly23 He's not "johning" for leffen, if you watched the leffen video, he says he thinks Yeti is a good player and leaf shield probably isn't that bad since he doesn't have good matchup experience on megaman

[@23TheOneAndOnly23]

Flashy Where at any point does the OP say anything to praise Yeti’s skill? All *he* says is that leaf shield is why he lost, not Yeti. Onto Leffen himself. He straight up said he would’ve beat MK FRICKIN’ *LEO* but Pokémon Trainer held him back. That’s BS and we both know it. I don’t hate Leffen, but I can’t really support him because he says some of the dumbest things.

[@WarLycan36]

Finally Leffen lost. Good ass Megaman though.

[@Wiggymaster]

Mega Man main here. Seriously, you're going to hate on one of the few methods Mega Man has for doing consistent damage anymore? They took away pretty much every good damage combo he had from Smash 4 and significantly reduced the damage output of metal blade/tornado (not to mention making tornadoes much harder to hit). The tradeoff with lemons is they're now longer range but they don't gimp - still good. Mega Man now has more kill options but your ability to get a player to higher percentages have gone from one grab combo to two or three grab combos combined with leaf shield. In lieu of the combo/damage options other characters have (Ike and Inkling anyone?) to complain about leaf shield being broken is ridiculous. It has a huge punishment window if you manage to block all the hits. Yeti is good, so he manages to jump away from his opponent most times when he realizes they're going to block all his leaves, but that's harder than it looks, and even he doesn't manage to accomplish it every time. The few times that his timing is off, he gets punished for it big time. Trust me, Mega Man players would be much happier if leaf shield was back to the way it was, but so was tornado and metal blade/footstooling/lemon gimp while keeping his fair as a kill option. Until then leave leaf shield alone, and learn to block it. It's really not that hard.

[@L00D__]

This Good explain of why Leaf Shield is constantly used, since Mega Man doesn't really have a good, consistent way of racking up damage, and his lemons and a few other projectiles can just be broken before they actually hit the opponent.

[@user-ds3bh4jt6r]

Loool this aged so bad. Pellets into leaf shield was an exploit that was beyond broken

[@Wiggymaster]

@@user-ds3bh4jt6r lol no it didn't, they nerfed the hell out of LS in addition to taking away pellet cancel. Pellet cancel was gone in the first patch. LS got Forever Gimped™ when Joker came out. I'd still take footstool combos back over LS trickery, especially with how gimped it is now.

[@user-ds3bh4jt6r]

@@Wiggymaster You are not getting either yet your char is still hightier. He has good enough tools to rack up damage without leafshield being as toxic as it was. If they left this char how he was hed be the most annoying toxic char in the game

[@Wiggymaster]

@@user-ds3bh4jt6r as opposed to Pikachu being the most annoying toxic char in the game? Go play a top tier and stop whining. Mega Man wasn't OP even with LS as it was. Pellet cancel was probably too powerful in the long run, but LS as it was definitely was not broken. If anything now it's broken in the other direction. It's all but completely ineffective against some characters, who can literally mash through it now. Meanwhile we got Pyra who can just side B and stop all attacks (basically instantly-thrown LS that also does insane knockback and has kill potential). Little to no punishment window should it miss, either, unless the Pyra player is completely stupid and stays put on the ground as the sword comes back to her. Mega Man has a roshambo punishment window with all of his post-LS options. Ironically enough I think it was Leffen who made the "how to punish leafshield" video showing just this, and I think that was BEFORE it got nerfed. Mega Man has to work harder than at least 50% of the roster to get kills. He's Shiek with projectiles. If you're not super precise, patient and know matchups you're going to get rolled by just about anyone who has a good out of shield option, combo game or decent damage options. Other characters can get you at kill percentage after 3-4 good hits. For Mega Man it takes 5-8 good hits, or a shit ton of lemons. His chase and ledge trap options require extreme stick discipline like rar bairs and reverse z drops. He's a very difficult character to succeed with at even A tier level play, let alone S tier like what you're witnessing, and if you don't believe me pick him up.

[@nofatchxplzthx]

leffen: Im a god at this game yeti: is that right?

[@cbass2238]

As much as I wanted to see Leffen vs MVD and the possibility of Leffen vs Esam, yeti for sure earned this win. A very clean game 5 comeback and even went on to beat MVD 3-1. MegaMan ain’t dead yet, Plup!

[@spencerroberts1959]

I think after the nerf it makes sense for Plup to drop him, this was still played on the previous version though.

[@naeonixion]

This tourney was done using the previous patch. Mega is still dead lol

[@BlueHundred1]

I think Leff just didnt have much experience with the match up.Yeti played really well

[@cbass2238]

Well now I’m confused because I thought this nerf only effected his infinite, and it looks like yeti wasn’t even using it. Anyone care to clear up my confusion..?

[@ZidaTheBlazing]

@@cbass2238 The nerf made Megaman unable to cancel his pellets into jump, b moves, or item throw. Throughout the match, Yeti was pellet cancelling into leaf shield.

[@DREAMSQU33ZE]

Leffen’s switch ups to recover are amazing. I was definitely rooting for his Pokemon trainer to win

[@SanguinePink]

DREAMSQU33ZE yeah, it makes me want to main PT for the 3 options.

[@russianbot2179]

amazing? that's child's play. Leffen will never be great at Smash Ultimate. He is only good at a dead game that barely anyonee plays so there is virtually no competition.

[@SeekAndDestroy5]

Yeah because switching to Charizard and using UpB is super difficult.....

[@ElDrHouse2010]

@@russianbot2179 jealeous non-god gamer. Leffen is great at every game he touches just watch lol. He always makes top 10 eventually in every single fighting game he touches.

[@heraclitu-s]

Russian Bot I don rly like leffen because how cocky he is but holy shit you are stupid if you think hes not good at every fighting game he has given time to. He wasnt named god slayer in melee for nothing.

[@RemyBeast]

That leaf shield seems like one of the most obnoxious things in the game.

[@xeno4693]

Nope. The most obnoxious is piranha plant's neutral B. You can shoot it forward, backwards, or just keep it up in the air. And you can’t air dodge it while its up in the air because of the ginormous hit box. You also can’t reflect it. It just drops. It’s very annoying to deal with. That’s the only move from piranha plant that I have a problem with. Side b is kind of annoying but at least it’s avoidable and you can absorb it with some characters

[@GardenGD]

@@xeno4693 i think it is balanced due to plant having laggy aerials

[@Just_FlyN]

@@GardenGD Plant is pretty shit :c

[@randonroth1579]

@@xeno4693 if you're using spacies try hitting plant with the reflector hitbox, then the seed will get reflected and hit them as well. As for long-range i have no advice other than respect it

[@xeno4693]

X X thanks. I main wolf so maybe I can try to space out and reflect.

[@4vendetta1]

Yeti opens the gate with a frame perfect controller set up.

[@timhiltz6323]

Lucas Pk Freeze off stage is more annoying than leaf shield honestly. It’s really fun being dead off stage at 80 percent.

[@dangle-pee4420]

Very easy to avoid.

[@Blittsplitt5]

@@dangle-pee4420 Not really

[@Blittsplitt5]

@@dangle-pee4420 Not any easier to avoid than leaf shield

[@muffinmaster7059]

Pk Freeze has a limited angle and can be easily avoided if you just wait for them to use it then recover high. Leaf shield just does tons of damage for being close to Megaman.

[@BurritoGalaxy]

its actually a really overrated move, very predictable and actually fairly commital on lucas' part unless your recovery is garb tier

[@OhShiverMeTimbers]

21:55 I GOT THAT THANG ON ME

[@phillconklin382]

Great play by both dudes. Mega Man in this game is so fun.

[@ktrnvz]

Not going to read the comments bc of the inevitable Mega Man hate but I just wanted to say I love both these players so much. Edit: LOL I found me in the crowd...

[@jayespin]

Katie V I’ll give u a brief summary. MEGA MAN SPAM. LEFFEN SHOULDA WON. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[@triplexthreat4116]

Opponent : Yeti (Enemy favors down b)

[@phdbot4483]

Honestly, I'm just happy to see another good set with BOTH of my mains here! ^^

[@leah.not.leya.]

There were so many times that leffen could've held shield against the leaf shield. I have to say, this was one of the most frustrating games to watch.

[@elimanish]

3-2, Leffen did a beautyful tournement. He prove he can chalenge the best in this game.

[@russianbot2179]

Yes. Leffen proved he could challenge Yeti... and lose.

[@realityofimagination]

@@lennyleonard5926 it's a fact though?

[@elimanish]

@@russianbot2179 No he 3 stuck Nairo too :p And he take 1 win to mkleo so he can challenge all person in this game. And his haters predic he can't go in the bracket. Sorry for my english, i'm french and not bilingual.

[@russianbot2179]

@@elimanish 3 stocking someone in a friendly means nothing. Nairo tries to style on people and just have fun in friendlies. Tons of people take games off MKLeo, it means little.

[@justaaron9057]

@@russianbot2179 what you say makes no sense most of the time smh

[@temoharri8848]

phenomenal matches...I wonder why Yeti didn't try the Mega Upper more, or try the Z blade toss and also down smash.

[@SeekAndDestroy5]

Down smash and Mega upper are extremely hard to confirm, and usually gets you punished for it.

[@temoharri8848]

SeekAndDestroy5 I have seen other MM players use Mega Upper more and it often connects when they tried it. I seldom see DS used, but it would have been using fire against Leffen's Ivysaur.

[@CyberneticSheep]

luckily there is no megaman movie yet, but they are working in a live action tho. shet

[@shannax7834]

Yeti is moving on!

[@jonahabenhaim1223]

6:24-6:34 does anyone have issues with the audio here?

[@mitchblahman13]

"Here's the wall though, you don't need no tax money for this."

[@Carcosahead]

"Is this megaman or avatar?" killed me

[@russianbot2179]

All these people complaining about leaf shield spam, while Leffen spams razor leaf every set and no one says anything.

[@lk7831]

I was watching this live. I was rooting for Leffen but Yeti also played great.

[@paulaguilar6932]

I love yeti because he uses characters other people won't use

[@bevvvy1374]

That's because MM obnoxious as fuck

[@connorsarkissian3095]

Bevvvy no he's just good learn the matchup

[@bevvvy1374]

@@connorsarkissian3095 He was obnoxious even when he wasn't good.

[@TheDriver458]

Bevvvy if he’s so obnoxious then why do I barely see Mega Man in online matches? They nerfed his shit anyway in the new patch. In my opinion he’s no different to deal with than Simon/Richter or other projectile-heavy characters.

[@bevvvy1374]

@@TheDriver458 Because maybe people don't find him fun to play as? Maybe they want to play better characters? I never said he was good, just that he was annoying.

[@BicycleRider09]

Can someone please explain to me why button checks are (and why they happen so often)?

[@kylecouture1917]

I love seeing yeti punish leffen's re-grab for that ivy up b from ledge to try to poke through the stage.

[@Maxwelldog]

lets not forget this is the yeti who 3-0d salem(bayonetta) with toon link in tr4sh

[@10XSeiga]

He also 3-0 Larry lurr in a gf bracket reset in ultimate

[@suryusuke]

Say what you want about anything this set but it was hype to watch

[@karnagefails333]

Fully agreed there. These guys are wicked good either way.

[@KyleDanielson42]

The megaman / leafshield hate everywhere is idiotic. This was leffen's set to lose halfway through game 5 and he lost it, plain and simple. He clearly has matchup issues here and i have little doubt that he couldn't learn the matchup and dominate in the future if he wanted to stick with PT. He was that close to winning in spite of his matchup deficiency. This was a good set with plenty of errors on both sides. This game is still stupid young and the gameplay here will be looked back on in a year or so and laughed at for how bad it is. Tournaments this early are necessary to progress the game and develop matchup familiarity etc. But any ranks or tiers at this point are just silly imo and mean nothing. This game is far from being mastered tech wise and players are a long way from mastering all the matchups, identifying stage counterpicks etc. Just enjoy the show and stop bitching about moves and characters and crying for nerfs. Nerfs are cancer in competitive games. Let the game mature and let players work out counters.

[@axessoul]

8:24 notice how the metal blade bounced off the ledge and lingered longer than it should have

[@williamw8590]

The only reason these leaf shields kept hitting is leffens unfamiliarity with the matchup. He still needs to learn about the characters that werent in melee before he can start winning tourneys, I hope he takes the time to do that

[@chibineo2862]

As someone who doesnt know that much about Ultimate, it feels like Leaf Shield, Ike's Nair, etc. are hated on the same way Jiggs as a char is hated in the Melee commumity. On paper, theres a lot of nuance to think of and these players are doing more than just "spamming". But from a pure spectator standpoint, it just feels lazy; and yes, this is a bad mindset to have about it and it doesnt warrant the hate these players get for it. But it is definitely harder for casual spectators to appreciate, myself included. Its the pure repetition that makes people annoyed to watch these matches. Conversely, Leff's Pkmn Trainer is inheritantly really fun to watch because its 3 char movesets in 1. People can complain about razor leaf spam too, but spectators look past that because a switch to Charizard and Squirtle adds variety to what Leff does and thus people are less likely to find it as annoying. Melee Fox is also considered broken at times, but the high skill ceiling and variety of play options offer enough for spectators to still enjoy the brokenness. This is why people love Mang0, despite his losses; he offers so much variety to the game (including tournament placings lol). Idk this rant might not make sense, but I just wanted to say something as someone who went into this video purely blind, noticed the leaf shield a lot, and then scrolled down to see everyone discussing it.

[@theasianjew7556]

Leffen def could’ve won and faced off MVD, one of the best Snakes But the script had other plans..

[@SupremeSuperiorStick]

Yeah I actually think Yeti was the worst matchup for Leffen there, definitely wish Yeti fell in the other side of losers lol

[@russianbot2179]

@@SupremeSuperiorStick I love all the excuses people come up with for why Leffen lost. Leffen lost because he failed his up-B, he got hit by fairs, dairs, and bairs, and he tried to flare blitz and died for it... again.

[@SupremeSuperiorStick]

@@russianbot2179 I didn't make any excuses for Leffen tho? I said Yeti was the scariest person on that side of the bracket for him lol?? That's literally me saying that Yeti was too much for him lmao

[@123konsti]

i'm not a fan of megamans playstyle but this set was amazing. super close. two very good competitors. poketrainer is hype though!

[@10XSeiga]

Did leffen skip the fist bump?

[@mrlacksoriginality4877]

It should be illegal for players to use their most useful skill on a character because ti is unfair... :p

[@2ny424]

Sorry Kyle

[@shannax7834]

There was nothing unfair at all. They both played well. Yeti came out on top

[@BronzeOrwin]

the tournament should have just updated the game to include the megaman nerfs

[@Feather3]

Shannax they’re referencing a joke that’s become popular on Reddit.

[@rakiyt3876]

Shannax r/wooooooooosh

[@losmatix]

Leffen plays like a Melee player for damn sure.

[@ElDrHouse2010]

Leffen is the hypest player to watch in this game.

[@CaptainFracture]

The infamous leaf shield debacle of 2019

[@NotaUnfamiliar]

Why tf yeti getting hate?

[@NotaUnfamiliar]

goggles789 not even just in this video but on twitter and chat on twitch was flaming him

[@tyleramon8371]

Pre-patch Megaman, that's why.

[@Furkward]

@goggles789 You do knoe youtube isn't the only social plat forum

[@chrisjackson6149]

Literally a bunch of salty Leffen fanboys that were butthurt that their "god" couldn't even make it to top 8.

[@ninjadandy9166]

Leffen is that big salty after the game. Feels so good to see. Keep up the good work yeti

[@16ktsgamma]

Leffen's weaknesses in this match, Charizard, Leaf Shield.(He only uses Charizard to recover and for the occasional kill.) Yeti:Proving that you can win against Leffen by just spamming Leaf Shield and being patient.

[@SeekAndDestroy5]

And here you are, proving that you can sound like a moron with one simple youtube comment.

[@16ktsgamma]

@@SeekAndDestroy5 And here you are trying to troll me. :P

[@10XSeiga]

Leaf shield doesnt kill though...

[@bevvvy1374]

That's all you're supposed to use Charizard for. He's a terrible character

[@sreddi83]

Leffen's Ivysaur is just amazing. He needs to work on his Charizard though

[@wallapee]

charizard is ass

[@AlexFranck8]

these commentators funny af

[@colt4531]

I'm actually shocked at how well Leffen did on his first non melee tournament

[@sizzle9000]

Man I hope Leffen keeps playing Ult until at least EVO. After that he can drop it i dont care lol. I just want that extra level of hype for what will most likely be the biggest Ultimate tourney of the year (probably biggest Smash tourney ever)

[@jeffersonrr]

Can somebody tell me why did they suicide during the first match?

[@hocuspocus5256]

I don't see how you can watch this set till the end and think "ye leaf shield spam". Last stock game 5 and leffen is obviously extremely tilted and makes multiple BIG mistakes completely atypical of his standard play... whilst Yeti turns up and goes aggro, the complete opposite of spammy campy play that people like to complain about That was the end of the set. Idk what you guys watched lol

[@buttisholy8571]

S/o to Yeti hard mental game playing against someone as propped up as Leffen.

[@SeekAndDestroy5]

People complain about the pellet macro into leaf shield, yet nobody wants to admit that MOST characters with a multi hit jab do MORE damage than the leaf shield combo. Hell, on Keitaro's stream, Tweek took 85% damage from ONE multi-jab from Inkling. But oh, 21% from a megaman jab confirm is broken.......

[@Guroji]

he carried that whole stock with that character *GOD DAMN* 6:16

[@chrisjackson6149]

People complaining about Mega Man's Leaf Shield and no one says anything about Leffen spamming Razor Leaf. Bunch of hypocrites.

[@Rick2k2k]

Chris Jackson don't think it's the same. Megamans move actually was patched in the newest version for being broken.

[@chrisjackson6149]

@@Rick2k2k Leaf Shield itself was not nerfed, though. It certainly isn't broken. You know what does need to be nerfed? Ivysaur's ability to spam Razor Leaf and both its down air and up air.

[@viscen5201]

@@chrisjackson6149 Sure, let's nerf any form of edgeguarding and punish game that this game has, aswell as the best neutral option for a slow ass character that sets up into kill confirms, Guess you loved smash 4

[@chrisjackson6149]

@@viscen5201 Pfffttt, right back at ya, bro. Complaining about Mega Man of all things. Try edgeguarding with something that's not the size of Bowser, anyone can edgeguard with Ivysaur's down air, it's just that cheap.

[@viscen5201]

@@chrisjackson6149 Never said I wanted mega man nerfed lmao, Ivy edgeguarding is far better than getting back to ledge for free every fucking time you get sent off stage, Should be a massive punish for using 1 recovery option.

[@patrickstar8005]

Ivysaurs’s Ariel game is obnoxious but people have chosen to complain about megaman’s playstyle

[@PhantomRAQ50]

It looked like Leffen thought that mega man could grab during leaf shield, which is probably the biggest reason for his loss.

[@vaquita7118]

LOL. People actually complaining about leaf shield...

[@noahsmith1978]

Isaac Guia well considering it was nerfed means sakurai also thought it was busted.

[@vaquita7118]

@@noahsmith1978 Sakurai is not in charge of balancing the game and leaf shield was not nerfed. They nerfed the ability to cancel into any move after pellets, which is bullshit. They should've nerfed the ability to drop items after pellets if they wanted to get rid of the infinite, but the special moves cancel nerf was uncalled for.

[@tysontenney804]

Isaac Guia if you know better than the smash bros development team then go show them how its done 😂

[@vaquita7118]

@@tysontenney804 because balancing teams never make questionable decisions, right? I forgot I had to be a professional videogame programmer to criticize.

[@SeekAndDestroy5]

@@vaquita7118 If you had any clue what you were talking about then you would know that they DID nerf item drops. Now you can't do anything for about half a second out of pellets. The infinite is gone, and pellets into leaf shield is gone. Can't wait to hear what excuses Leffen fans make for him next time

[@moss7910]

Megaman doesn’t even look half bad in this game

[@trumpeter811]

Ty for uploading the matches that VG bootcamp wont

[@princeofamphibia]

This wasnt on vgbc's stream..

[@julioarcaiko]

Leaf shield played really well. A victory for gardeners everywhere. Seriously though, what’s the counter-play for that move?

[@2ny424]

Secondary characters.

[@naeonixion]

Block it and grab punish, use a counter or strong projectile (Din's fire, explosive flame, Samus charge shot)

[@euphzilla03]

Jewlz Cartagena shield it, reflect it, or dodge. It’s a good move for sure but it’s not perfect.

[@emissarygw2264]

@@naeonixion can you counter oos or do you have to counter and hope they run into you?

[@shin_bashogi]

2.0.0

[@muhtasim2607]

Wait, How did big leff end up in top 32 when he lost to MKleo, and why is MKleo in the losers bracket now?

[@Rob30k]

I guess Leffen still has a Melee Samus MU, but instead of Melee Samus it's Ultimate Mega Man

[@russianbot2179]

No. Yeti is just a better player.

[@TheDriver458]

Russian Bot both players are fantastic in their own right, but in my opinion I think it all just came down to the MU.

[@jondean2729]

@@TheDriver458 It really didn't come down to the matchup, it came down to Leffen panicking and as usual not being able or at least not willing to adjust his gameplan at all for any matchup

[@TheDriver458]

@@jondean2729 I ain't gonna argue against that, Leffen has been known to panic at suboptimal moments.

[@MLPflutterguy]

these commentators make these games fun and hype

[@adang1827]

One half of me wants to say Leffen lost because yeti was the better player and leffen should be able to adapt to projectiles while the other half says yeti only won because he spammed leaf shield

[@Boof_]

All of me wants to say Leaf Shield

[@derrickh.5902]

I really don't understand the complaints about Leaf Shield. Like, the way it's being used, it's not much different from a rapid jab to me

[@PossessWithin]

Lol, are we seriously gonna complain about "spam" in pro gaming? If it works it works, period.

[@Null1596]

yeti outplayed leffen for the last 2 minutes of the set.

[@lazygan8576]

@@PossessWithin you right. Couldn't say it better myself

[@TheSwatstar]

So intense my god never knew megaman can be that crazy duuude amazing stuff Edit: and to everyone who is like "y megaman OP with that down b" guys rly its never so easy how it looks like. To dodge the free Hit after its blocked and all its Not like just "jump" or smthing this crazy reflexes here r insane just sayin..

[@FenixDown147]

I think this is pre 2.0.0 Piranha plant update, Megaman cant Run with Leaf sheild anymore.... right?

[@ULTRA_U]

No he can but he cant do anything but run and jump. He cant grab anymore during leaf shield like in sm4sh. The key to beating the move is to shield up close or just run. It is super laggy after he throws it leaving time for a punish and if he throws it its literally a giant leaf circle pretty easy to dodge. 2.0.0 made it so his infinite cant be done or pellete into b attacks.

[@WriterDude130]

i'm glad megaman and palutena got great buffs in ultimate

[@ClarenceSampang]

I'm a Megaman main but let's be real here: Leffen COULD HAVE WON EASILY if he played patiently on that last game. Instead, he played so aggressively and desperate for that last stock - he didn't even shield a crash bomb at one point.

[@yoelbacteria]

REMEMBER BACK THEN WHEN PEOPLE SAYS MEGAMAN WAS ANNOYING AND NOW WE HAVE SONIC.

[@avengerjalter]

I hope leffen continues to play ultimate.

[@boryontotheleader2328]

Avenger Jalter he just might. But I wonder if he's still gonna play fighters

[@ProtoMan935]

Good stuff yeti!

[@yarrowification]

What is yeti wearing

[@ykdrew.]

Who else thought their phone broke at 6:23

[@roqm0z666]

How is he doing pellet macro cancel if it got patched out?

[@Just_FlyN]

They're playing on 1.2.1

[@Amphanotes]

6:21 when god enters the church

[@adamramirez507]

If only leffen didn't rush his last stock and played patiently he would have won that set. He took too much damage just trying to challenge Yeti's defense. I feel all Leffen has to do is play Megamans leaf game to see its weakness. I felt he couldn't get the timing for it to know when its safe to go in. In the end it was lack of Match up experience.

[@messiahlatimore9760]

YETI OMG I MISS U SO MUCH

[@johnnyparker4611]

Say what you will ultimately leaden lost because of his own personal mistakes as was the case with mk Leo ledger could’ve easily made it to top 8 but lacks practice with poke trainer hope he doesn’t drop him even though he said he might

[@Carcosahead]

Megaman used leaf shield against Ivysaur. It's not very effective.

[@theobonin9137]

And no ones complaining about razor leaf spamming

[@sora4440]

Leaf Shield isn't broken its just extremely annoying to deal with. Is it spamming, yes. Is it brainless, majority of the times. Is it nearly unstoppable, yes it is. Ya gotta give props to both these players. Leffen didn't lose because of the leaf shield. You just have to find a way to avoid it or deal with it. Leffen didn't lost because of leaf shield, he lost because he lost focus on his last two stocks. The comparison's to Ike's Nair are ridiculous. You can literally spam Nair the entire game because it leads to all of Ike's combos and follow ups...

[@GodKiller97]

Yeti’s positioning and getting caught doing so many things that were unsafe. Not sure how Leffen didn’t punish harder

[@tadgardea598]

If you pick a random moment of this set, there is a 3% chance the commentators are temporarily in Iraq.

[@JusRed48]

Was rooting for Leffen but he definitely choked away his last stock in this match. Got WAY too desperate trying to force something and only did like 25% of damage to Yeti on that whole final stock.

[@CBD_Shawarma]

Sakuri: *lifting the nerf hammer about to drop it on the leaf shield* me: "NO GOD NO HE'S ALREADDYY DEEEAEAAAD!" Why'd you have to do it to him man