Genshin Archons VS Star Rail Aeons VS Honkai Impact Herrschers

[@TheNamelessKaslana]

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[@skistorm739]

No their multiverse but homu labs 45 chapter video has their multiverse but the universe functions as a multiverse

[@Hinoshu_Suzuki]

You video just 100% trash don't ever understand ggz and hi3 lore

[@Hinoshu_Suzuki]

100% trash video

[@Hinoshu_Suzuki]

Trash video

[@Hinoshu_Suzuki]

Keep copium lil kid trash video

[@Xia2056]

The thing about Herrscher of Finality is that Kiana is the only being in the entire imaginary tree/SOQ who intergrated with Cocoon of Finality other than that others were failures.

[@chelo136]

She should try to integrate with the Aeon of finality and see how that goes , have a hard time against a no name that nobady know in the universe like the cocoon , hard task when is against a being that is well known for every advance civilization in the universe

[@hazzer6617]

​@@chelo136men you are saying some cold facts are you interested in some talks about lore ? XD on discord perhaps ? Its hard to find somone who knwos what they are saying

[@cheenocurig1993]

​@@chelo136They are at different universe and if aeons are indeed well known, why does Hi3 doesn't know about them, even mars civilization doesn't know about them also astral express doesn't know a planet called earth at all even tho Akivilli the trailblaze is travelling at space. Cocoons are entities that holds power and the true god is the one who was able to obtain that power. Kiana was sent to the moon since the cocoons presence alone can destroy civilizations without doing anything😅 even Mars and Venus was destroy when the Cocoon was just gaze and pass by them lmao😂

[@PhoenixBirb]

​​@@cheenocurig1993There's only 1 universe and the cocoon of finality is barely planet level

[@PhoenixBirb]

​@@hazzer6617Spelling check

[@PeridotQuartz]

Let's note that Wendy had not completely awakened her full herrscher powers, and she was still a pseudo-herrscher/ half-awakened herrscher until the time she dies.

[@SirChanXD]

Here's something that's funny, it's rather obvious Wendy was weaker than a Pseudo Wind Herrscher of the 2nd Eruption of the Current Era

[@PeridotQuartz]

@@SirChanXD true, Mei was also considerably weaker than Bella with the core before she trruly embraces her herrscher self.

[@aldyzero6676]

​@@PeridotQuartzay, don't forget that Bella was given more cores from Sirin. Comparing multi cores vs single core is unfair

[@PeridotQuartz]

@@aldyzero6676 what more cores, sirin gave each of her beasts a core. Bella was lightning, Agata was fire, Avrora was wind, and Galina was death. Bella in the gameplay was made like that to increase difficulty, not canonically correct.

[@keziah5281]

I think she would still lose to aeons even in prime, the concept of wind is like a planetary thing. I ain't no philosopher tho I could be wrong

[@aze0012]

dont really remember how archons' power work exactly, but i know that HI3 herrscher's powers despite being called "herrscher of ice" for example, doesnt actually control ice herrscher of ice instead manipulates thermal energy down to the molecular level. conversely, herrscher of fire accelerates atoms at high speeds, the flames are just a byproduct of this. so their power a lot more fundamental in nature than just "haha ice go brrr" or "fire go boom". they directly interfere with, and manipulate the rules of the world they are in. the cocoon itself.... well, we all saw what 1-2% can do...

[@batuhan6887]

Yeah. Mei as the herrscher of thunder can control electromagnetic waves which is absolutely insane if you actually know what you can do with it.

[@denvplays8011]

Cocoon of finality: i dont like this humans time to reset 😂 Yea we see only kiana use 1%. Kiana embrace the finality don't know how powerful the complete finality

[@Frostborne2778]

@@batuhan6887 She could even create illusions if she were refined enough… Visible light is also on the electromagnetic spectrum… Not only that, but she could literally give her enemies cancer 💀 (Gamma waves)

[@MoskusMoskiferus1611]

Fantasy Vs Sci-Fi

[@aeronjhedlachano8873]

Tell that to AHA who breaks 4th walls

[@roseerina]

Wendy is like early game Mei, she was unable to fully awakened her true Power. Back in PE, Wind and Flame are considering to be the strongest among the Herrschers in term of destructive power.

[@RickzyKaslana]

Caught you lacking 📸

[@roseerina]

@@RickzyKaslana 🥵

[@diabolike8055]

For me the finality is the absolute strongest Because even if it is an eon or not every concept that eon represent like equilibrium or destruction or even voracity has an end and finality represent that The finality of all things

[@ShinyAzzy]

Finality, Destruction, The hunt, and probably Voracity all share the same destination. But if you ask me who is the most powerful Aeon then it should be equilibrium or Aha the elation.

[@diabolike8055]

@@ShinyAzzy finality where everything has an end There is no equilibrium or jokes when you reach the end of a story But hey only the future will tell us 😁

[@ShinyAzzy]

@@diabolike8055 The end of the universe doesn't mean much considering many Aeons path have similar destination to the end. Finality is also not the one that will ultimately end the universe. Its Nanook that will do it so shouldn't you be rooting for him not the guy who goes backwards in time? Anyways Aha and equilibrium is the only Aeon I could see being the most powerful due to the possible authority they command. Aha is basically omnipotent as long as what he does is something he thinks is funny. He could basically destroy finality if he finds doing that funny. While Equilibrium is literally just him making the universe equal and is probably the reason why some Aeons are born or events happen so that the universe can become balance.

[@diabolike8055]

@@ShinyAzzy i think you severly downplaying finality nanook will eventually destroy the universe yes but even destruction has an end and aha is not that powerfull specialy when terminus is for now the only known eon capable of time travel and if terminus is in fact the same finality than we know in honkai then nanook or aha are definitly not a threat for being outside of the imaginary tree But like i said only the future will tell us what will happend 😊

[@ShinyAzzy]

@@diabolike8055 Destruction doesn't have an end IT IS the End that you keep mistaking finality for. You are severely overestimating finality which has no connection to honkai impact one. Time travel is something even Nanook can do so while its some great ability its his nature to travel back in time tho we rlly don't know much about that guy. Tho just like you say time will tell.

[@ShiraFuyu2022]

The only time Genshin will ever score a win in these sorts of things is when ZZZ got released

[@SpultoBNMTheMutuallyUnrequited]

Ib4 ZZZ gets a Solar System Level Being in the Future xD

[@scarletrose8766]

Watch as ZZZ gets absurd power spike like GGZ started with girls on a zombie apocalypse and uses guns then they drop the Herrschers and then gods now GGz is like the strongest universe in hoyoverse

[@yes07777]

bro watch ZZZ casually eat universes for breakfast

[@yuujiayato4389]

let's note that IMG space and IMG tree is different from Physical Space. In Dudu VN, they talked about that IMG space and IMG tree is 11d+ and we see Herrschers like HOV and Kiana went there, even Kevin during the HOD arc which tasked to find the remainings of Himeko. In HSR, we all know that Aeons operates in physical space, that's all we know expect from the "tree" that Aha and Akivili, Aha climed the highest peak of "Tree of Existence" and he's laughed heard throughout the "universe" (by means we didn't even heard it from HI3 and GI). In powerscaling, we know higher dimensional beings destroys lower dimensioanl beings. From the perspective in the Hi3, herrschers can scale up to 11d beings because of Dudu VN, like Welt and Sirin can supernova (solar system or hiigher destructive lvl). Even though Herrschers is 11d is strong but killed by humans. Humans used Honkai energy as well and also herrschers that got killed are just infants, they manifest and run around like a days or weeks and dead because they are threat even Kevin is scared what can Herrschers with full potential can do that's why they kill them after getting born. In HSR, we don't know what Aeons can do. But all I know is that they operate at physical space like the war between Propagation and Voracity said that destroyed 2/3 of universe (these can't be true because in the SU they said that it has no reliability on those text). And Tazzyroth got killed by Qlipioth by smashing it's hammer. To clear some ups about Emanator of Destruction can incinerate a galaxy. (Kinda doubt it) = reason - in the broadcast they said that Zephro "completely" destroyed the galaxy (can't remember the name). Why said "completely" tho, they can't destroy the galaxy in one tap or needed time to destroy? There are so mistery about, the only thing we can know is the devs can make who's strongest, since they cab nerf someone for the "PLOT purposes". Lets enjoy the game guys!

[@Stro2101]

The part of an Emanator destroying a galaxy can be a translation error. Honkai Impact normally has the translation error of saying the universe when it is actually referring to a world (the infamous bubble universe). The same thing happens in Honkai Star Rails when they say a galaxy but is actually referring to a world. This happens in the Chinese version that has the correct term (which is world instead of universe or galaxy) and the other versions are translation which sometimes are errors. So because of that for what I know a leaf of the imaginary tree is just a solar system, so the maximum destruction of an Emanator of Destruction is to wipe out a complete Solar System (which is still a great feat but far less than destroying a galaxy).

[@yuujiayato4389]

@@Stro2101 maube but HSR have a good translation part, and leaves can be a Solar System? then at least Emanators are not Galaxy lvl then, Emanators are equal to common herrschers if that's the case.

[@chelo136]

In the last HSR patch it shows that humans have develop a imaginary bomb that destroy 27 planets in one go to try to defend agains nanook army, thats a lot more than 1 solar system on just 1 bomb created by humans, so we can assume aeons are way stronger and can one tap at least 10+ solar systems in one go , more likely a lot more

[@yuujiayato4389]

@@chelo136 its not a bomb. its an imaginary pulse, its imaginary energy similar to honkai and paths, its a higher dimensional energy of course its gonna destoyed planets, stars, and everything across its path. Aeons and Herrschers have that kind of energy, and of Aeons and such have mastered their powers unlike Herrschers got killed by matter of days and weeks after they were born and manifested. And obviosly you don't know what 3d, 4d, 5d so you gonna say oh they can destroy that and that Dimension haxx > Destructive capacity. For example Sirin can go to IMG space and destroy the leaf where Emanators lives,. That's dimension haxx. Sirin > Emantors, neg diff

[@safeday150]

I'm pretty sure the 11d is mistranslation

[@regisshiv3542]

Aeons are the strongest After that Emanators and some herrschers Then the rest of the herrschers and lastly archons

[@khakikohii]

I really want aeons to be the strongest

[@ametokapuchino]

Remember Acheron is just an emanator of nihility or maybe finality. Imagine how strong Aeons are that they just can give their power by just gazing on them.

[@nguyenchianh9994]

That is crazy you are gazed you powerfull

[@ikuto1318]

After that finger beam she hit Sa with, i guess it was very clear who the strongest is

[@starrainbowyt6550]

an it only 1%

[@nev781]

she shot it from the moon in real solar system to the bubble universe or whatever they were fighting SA. its literally from the current dimension to a different dimension

[@jakeblitzcoffie4859]

​@@nev781Yup.

[@liongson9431]

@@nev781 from what i get when did the story, she shot it in physical world and yeet SA whic located outside of the solar system to the point break her to the SoQ.

[@chelo136]

@@liongson9431 It clearly didnt, she literally said in 2.0 prologue that she cant travel to mars in a fast manner and it would take her a long time , if she could traverse the physcal world that fast she would be in mars in 1 second and send people to it in 1 second so theres no need for a freaking spaceship to travel there for a long time , people like to hype up finality , when in reality is a preatty weak entity, he have to travel to worlds to do the assimiliation and can only do it 1 planet at a time, emanwhiles aeons can use their influence in entire galaxys at a time

[@bunbun283]

Kevin's final form while wasn't technically a Herrscher but he still had the authority of Finality was something that we the players had to break the fourth wall to help our trio defeated him. And in the end, Kiana gained full authority meaning now she is much stronger than Kevin. Aeons ain't got nothing on Finality.

[@nikson0425]

bro, we have aeon of finality. stellaron hunters path

[@bunbun283]

@@nikson0425 And what your point bringing up an Aeon that we have the tiniest information about

[@RueVi_]

​​​@@bunbun283but aeons have consistent feats scale to be universal like tazzyronth,aeons of propagation who state destroy 2/3 universe in the past.unlike herrscher who have complex power description but their best feats just can destroy humanity in earth that scale their power just to planetary even kiana that has full authority of finality doesn't know outside of her solar system.

[@bunbun283]

@@RueVi_ It's like the Goku situation. Does he have the power to cause havoc to the universe? Yes. Does he need/want to? No. Same as for Kiana and the Cocoon of Finality. The main goal of Kiana is just to protect Earth not conquering the universe and the main goal of the Cocoon is to create the same civilization as itself so it just need to use it power on planets that have a civilization, no need to destroy the universe.

[@RueVi_]

​​​​@@bunbun283 by any feats it doesn't mean you have to destroy universe to be universal, it's like feats that can make herrscher be universal. Example : Qlipoth kill tazzyronth when tazzyronth almost destroy all universe because of that tazzyronth just destroy 2/3 universe(swarm disaster event) Does qlipoth destroy universe?no,he save it by killing the creature that state can be destroy the universe. By that statements qlipoth is universal. As far i know herrschers doesn't have feats like that.even kiana doesn't know outside of her solar system(kiana have full authority of finality). there is aeon of finality(terminus)that has similar name to creature that creates herrscher(cocoon of finality) and open up possibilities that cocoon of finality is part of finality(emanators) that make herrscher scale to emanator or even lower. And if u want to say that cocoon of finality is parallel universe of aeon finality,that is wrong bcz hoyoverse is not multiversal.This is proven by Da Wei's words that he wants to make Mihoyo games(GGZ,Hi3RD,HSR,Genshin) in the same universe with different world(galaxy). I am sorry if my english bad cuz english is not my first language.

[@Proxy606]

Honkai impact MWI(multi-world interpretation) and it’s imaginary tree scaling can place it outerversal already Stellaron hunters are star level, and as far as we know aeons can be from humans as seen by Ruan Mei wanting to be one Teyvet is a continent and it’s not even close Pardo can solo purely with cosmology, but if we take it out then I guess we’ll grab a stronger flamechaser

[@carlosmaia37]

Also, another fact we need to mention is CE Herrschers are said to be weaker than PE Herrschers, apart from the main trio final Herrscher forms. Or that CE humans have stronger minds, since we have Herrscher capable of thought instead of mindless killers. Aside from Wendy, Shariac, Herrscher of Domination and Corruption, all the other Herscher either were controlled by their host or managed to develop a consciousness for themselves. And even Sirin, she was a menace but still an abandoned child who underwent experiments, saw her friends die one by one, and awoke with profound hatred for humanity, in a sense, she was not entirely under Will of Honkai influence, just enacting revenge. PE Herrscher were only able to show a glimpse of consciousness when their Herrscher of Fire showed a bit of emotions before getting killed (not counting Elysia, since she's an anomaly). If we take into account the characters on elisian Realm, like Kalpas, he was stronger than HoT Mei, and so was Kevin, and probably Elysia too, and Mei was, at the time, either stronger or on par with Kiana HoFlamescion, and both weaker than Durandal, who struggled a little bit with the real Su It's too soon to say which one is stronger between Finality and Aeons, but I guess the Finality itself is more powerful, not Kiana, but the Cocoon, since it can't be destroyed, or at least, the only way to defeat the Honkai was taking control of it, not destroying it. The Aeons are killable or absorbed by other Aeons. Hard to say, pretty difficult to tell now, the Swarm disaster was something that spread way faster than Honkai, throughout the universe, but how far could they go and what were the consequences left by it? PS: I'm kinda biased, been a HI3 player since a long time ago, there were only two Herrschers to play. We are going to get an Emanator on Star Rail only now (if it's confirmed Acheron is one, of course), and I didn't like Genshin a lot

[@TheNamelessKaslana]

Herta (the real one) not the puppet we talk with every time, and Black Swan are also emanators.

[@carlosmaia37]

​@@TheNamelessKaslana Hm, true, although we didn't see Herta's real form yet, Black Swan showed immense control of memories. It makes me wonder if the memokeeper guarding the memory of chaos is actually another Emanator. She was pretty elusive on March's quest. If all emmeber of the garden of recollection are emanators of Fuli, I guess she's also one? Could Black Swan be on par with Herrcher of Sentience? Aside from personality, in which case BS would win easily, Senti's full power (while she was in control of the main body) against BS could be a good way to measure them up? Both have influence over the mind

[@cesargomez80]

the finality is not a joke, the finality can do everything the primodial one can do so far, given how different are the ability of each aeon is hard to say whatever the finality can beat all the aeon since the finality is confirmed to have plenty more ability than its normal time manipulation ability..

[@PhoenixBirb]

The HI3 HoFin is a joke compared to the GGZ version

[@theunknown1760]

There's an aeon of finality named "terminus" travel against time from the future They only give small details in HSR

[@GC-Shadow1327]

Uh, in defense of Genshin Impact: there are heavy implications that all beings and life-forms in Teyvat are currently / possibly restricted by "Laws" and Conceptual mechanisms to keep inhabitants in check by Celestia. Hoyoverse writers are particularly more cautious with Genshin than its sibling projects... unless we bring up that dumb stunt they did with Nuevilette's Ascension quote.

[@dany140ify]

Only bubble universes have such laws. ( In Hi 3 ) Maybe Teyvat it's a bubble universe in the Sea of Quanta. I tend to believe that because of scaling and how unstable is this world.

[@ralynedin]

Dont forget that the Divine Keys were created to fight Herrschers

[@aldyzero6676]

Simplified version: 1. Aeons: unclear concepts of ruling deity + they can't control their own paths and their own followers (as most living being in HSR's universe almost never met any of the Aeons themselves, and most stories are exaggerated). 2. Archons: clear concepts as nations' rulers and deities. 3. Herrschers: basically acts as universal anti-virus (to wipe out humans and advanced civilizations from destroying the planet) under your command as the PC master (as the Cocoon of Finality) through your anti-virus program (Herrscher of Finality). Edit: apparently there is a certain Aeons simp in the comment, heavily defending Aeons while attacking comments about Herrschers 😂 probably a sad troll.

[@rickelmehanwinckel2699]

Aeons can't Control they own paths? What you mean?

[@theunknown1760]

​@@rickelmehanwinckel2699ena sure did a lot of control and XI(Nhility is nothing)

[@shinhikaru]

Actually after talking with HoYo Stans. Herrschers are actually weaker than Aeons. However if we're talking about The Cocoon of Finality, The Cocoon of Unwoven, and Sa herself, they are able to match or are stronger than most if not all Aeons. The reason is because Herrschers are just projections of the Cocoon (and Sa for HoRb's case). However they are still very powerful and can still rival and edge Aeons. GGZ Herrschers on the other hand, they are much more powerful.

[@wolfisaiahboy]

What did the hoyostans say?

[@shinhikaru]

@@wolfisaiahboy Cocoon Stronger, HI3 Herrschers weaker, GGZ Herrschers much stronger than anything in Hoyoverse

[@Hinoshu_Suzuki]

​@@shinhikaru hoyostans is trash

[@shinhikaru]

@@Hinoshu_Suzuki then you can't learn the lore of HI3 and GGZ. Many lore enthusiasts uses it since it provided the most accurate information regarding Hoyoverse. They shaped the lore community since many stuff contradicts each other, like APHO 1 and P1 ending.

[@Hinoshu_Suzuki]

@@shinhikaru okay lil kid I already know lore anything

[@dilandelgado7337]

I think you are right but in Wendy side she was a new born herrscher and did not now how to use her powers properly and we can base this in the fact that in that previous era her herrscher core was use to clean the work and to attack the herrscher of finality

[@akoscs.6149]

ngl i feel like herrscher of origin was left out, or more like coupled together with the other herrschers, which i don't think it should've been. While we don't know exactly how powerful the herrscher of origin is, we do know that it is a separate entity from the other herrschers because they are not under the influence of the cocoon of finality. If i were to make a scale of 1-10 (1 being wendy and 10 being the cocoon), i would place HoO at around 7 or 8 simply based on the fact that elysia could cut the threads of fate to literally rewrite how everything works and prevented every herrscher of the current era to remain themselves (if they don't go crazy from honkai energy)

[@jakeblitzcoffie4859]

HoO is literally the second strongest Herrscher in existence next to Finality. She is definitely an 8.

[@akoscs.6149]

@@jakeblitzcoffie4859 i wanted to say 8 or 9 but didn't want to overestimate it since the authority of origin is not explained that well

[@jakeblitzcoffie4859]

@@akoscs.6149 AoO seems to have similar powers to HoV along with fate manipulation.

[@XenoGenerator]

Since we don't have a lot of info regarding Aeons and Emanators + GGZ's lack of translated info, I'll disregard them for now. I'll also wanna make it clear that all 4 game ARE in the same universe, because yes, in case you didn't know, the original chinese script refers to the Imaginary Tree as a single universe, each leaf containing a variable number of celestial bodies (from small structures such as singular planets and their satellites to utterly massive structures such as collections of galaxies) and separated from each other because of a substance known as Imaginary Space, and infinitely expanding due to the infinite possibilities that each of these worlds contain; the Sea of Quanta, while comparable in scale to the Imaginary Tree, only contains scaled down worlds that have fallen from the Tree, meaning they're also variable in size (though normally ranging from a town at the smallest to a solar system at the biggest) but no longer possesses the stability they once had and are only able to cling on to life either by stablishing certain rules or by archoring themselves to the Tree via an Ether Anchor, otherwise they'll dissolve into Quanta and will be used to create new leaves on the Tree. So yes, the leaves on the Tree and the Bubbles on the Sea are not universes, that's a mistranslation mainly made by the localizing team of HI3rd. With that out of the way, let's begin with the scale of the Archons and Herrschers. Starting with the Archons, while they're power varies from individual to individual, we can draw a potential maximum taking various feats either performed or upscale from, such as Venti slicing a mountain range with his wind and then yeeting it to the ocean (which later became the Golden Apple Archipelago) or him ending the country spanning blizzard made by Andrius, Zhongli throwing stone spears so big they formed the Guyun Stone Forest or being capable of contending with the country spanning earthquake causing Azhdaha, and Ei slicing an island in half from kilometers away in order to kill Orobaxi (she was on Narukami Island when she performed this feat) and creating a country spanning thunderstorm around Inazuma which she can manipulate whoever she pleases with ease; all of these feats where calced in the gigatons of tnt range, meaning the Archons, as of right now, cap at Island lvl with 100% certainty. There are other arguments to possibly scale them higher, such as Scaramouche mentioning he had enough power left in him to make a continent-wide change with the Irminsul, implying a certain amount of power is needed to manipulate it in order to cause such effects in the entire continent, which would buff the archons up to Continent lvl, but it's not conclusive; we can also upscale the Archons from Adepti such as Guizhong, Madame Ping and Cloud Retainer, all of whom have created domains that contain stars within them, buffing the Archons up to Multi Solar System lvl, though that'd require believing the stars in those domains are real. I'll leave to decide which high end scaling (Continental lvl Archons via Irminsul manipulation or MSS lvl via star containing Domain creation) is more valid. Now going to the Herrschers, similar to the Archons, their power as a collective also varies from person to person, but we can also determine a maximum from different sources, such as Kevin and Siegfried producing explosions big enough to be seen from space when using Judgement of Shamash's 0th Power: Mighr of An-Utu (both of which the Herrscher of Flames from the Previous Era (HIMEKO) and the Current Era (K-423, aka Kiana) would scale to, since the Judgement of Shamash was made using the Core of Flames), Bianka burning down 1/5 of Europe at age 12 (take this with a grain of salt, because we know Bubble Worlds don't necessarily have the same volume their real world counterparts do, so this feat might not be all that reliable, but for the sake of argument, let's keep it), and Sirin causing country-wide destruction once she started to cascade, putting the Herrschers as a whole in the County to Continental range. Since Kiana is the one true Herrscher as the Herrscher of Finality, meaning all Herrscher powers are a fraction of the Finality, she would massively upscale from all of this, especially Kevin's Might of An-Utu, which knocked-out the Herrscher of the End of the Previous Era for 12 hours, but not much else, and Kevin said in Part 1's final arc that he had grown stronger than her with just 50% of the Aothority of Finality, and Kiana matched him with her 50%, and eventually surpassed him once she got the full Authority; however, according to Schrodinger (one of the smartest minds in HI3rd), no Herrscher can compare to events such as Venus' destruction (for context, Venus' entire surface was bombarded by starrocks, which completely scorched it and caused Vita's world to fall to the Sea of Quanta), so we know Kiana cannot get to Planet lvl, but she's still quite close in power to such and event, so the most she could scale to is Moon lvl. As with the Archons, you can argue higher scaling, such as the Core of Reason providing more than half the power of the Selene, which is partly responsible for the creation of the Bubble World Bianka and Rita went to in the Durandal VN, or Welt saying he can apply 1.4 solar masses of pressure on the Core of Reason before it explodes on a supernova that Sirin would face-tank according to him, and Elysia moving the stars on the Land of Origin during her final fight against Mei on the Elysian Realm arc, all of which buff the Herrscher up to Multi Solar System lvl, but then we would have to assume the stars on the Land of Origin are real stars, disregard the fact that Welt never says anything about detonating his Herrscher Core as a supernova and Sirin tanking it in the original chinese and that Bubble Worlds often don't have the same volume their real world counterparts have. Again, I'll leave you to decide which is more valid. With all that said, we can see that Herrscher are stronher than Archons in the lower end (Continental lvl Herrscher vs Island lvl Archons) and about equal in the high end (both MSS lvl). Personally, I believe in the lower end a lot more, since it lines up with their respective narratives and what we've been told about them very nicely, meaning that a fully realized Herrscher (Bronya being the perfect example of a fully realized Herrscher, since every other Herrscher before her lost themselves to the Honkai and the only one that's comparable to her (Mei) has 2 Authorities) is stronger than an Archon at their peak (Ei is the best current example of this, since she's at her peak currently and is comparable to Zhongli in his prime). However, while the gap between then is quite big (Continental lvl peak Bronya vs Island lvl peak Ei), they're still relatively close to each other

[@jakeblitzcoffie4859]

Bruh. 😂 Lmao. This is all just straight-up wrong. HoTE had multiversal feats ever since the manga came out, and Kiana can one-shot a planet using 1% of her Finality authority. PE HoTE already destroyed Earth and countless other planets throughout the Imaginary Tree in every Solarsystem in its parrelel universes. Su says as much in the Second Key manga. Kevin even stated that transforming into his Mantis form would destroy the Earth if he was on it. The Durandal VN stated that both Sirin and Welt in their primes had the same energy as an Either Anchor in their cores, meaning both were at Solarsystem level. Sirin got her power from WoH via the 30% Honkai reserves from the battle against HoTE on the moon. This alone puts Kiana way above Solarsystem level. What was stated in part 1.5 was that most metamorphosised Herrschers didn't surpass the level of a Star Rock, which means that the full strength of a common Herrscher is able to surface wipe a planet, which is a planetary feat. They were talking about your average Herrscher, not stronger ones like Prime HoV and HoR, let alone Origin, Truth, and Finality/End. Bronya and Mei should upscale from both Welt and Elysia. They should be Multi Solarsystem level in AP, while Kiana should upscale from all of them combined plus be able to do all that HoTE did in PE, including all her manga feats and statements as well. Kiana is universal low ball once you take everything into account. The reason people don't see that is because Kiana isn't the smartest, and despite being a god, she retains the mind of a human. The fact she shot a planet destroying bullet casually says it all. Downgrading Finality to moon level is laughable, especially when characters much weaker than Finality were canonicaly confirmed to be above moon level like Welt and Sirin, along with Durandal who is at least Solarsystem level minimum.

[@XenoGenerator]

@@jakeblitzcoffie4859 1) I explained it at the beginning, the Imaginary Tree is not a multiverse. The original chinese script refers to it as a universe, everything else referring to it as a multiverse comes from mistranslated material. So no, Su looking at alternate earths is not him looking through a multiverse, is him looking a various different possibilities already existing in the Tree. 2) Knowing what the MANTIS Project did to him, Kevin transforming into his AHR form would at most freeze over the planet, similar to what the Stellaron did with Jarilo-VI. 3) Even if Welt and Sirin did indeed create a perfect replica of the solar system in the Sea of Quanta, that extends only to the coordinates within that Bubble World, while it's total volume is less than that of a solar system in the Tree. I will admit tho, that I have yet to watch the full explanation Schrodinger gave, so if she's talking only about an average Herrscher, then 1st) allow me to apologize for the confusion, and 2nd) Mei and Bronya at their peak (fun fact: in the original chinese script, HoTruth is in fact HoTrue Reason, so Truth is still HoR, just at it's fullest potential) get buffed up to Large Planet lvl, and Kiana up to baseline Star lvl; non-metamorphosised Herrschers and people relative to them like Bianka and HoS get buffed up to Continental lvl

[@PhoenixBirb]

​@@jakeblitzcoffie4859Wank

[@TheMakushimirian]

​@@XenoGeneratoryou got anything to show for the imaginary tree beeing "one universe"? Legit asking because literally throughout the WHOLE game its portrayed that Imaginary tree exists in the imaginary space, and each leaf/branch on that tree is its own parallel universe (reference how Otto made a new parallel universe to save Kallen) and when a leaf/prallel universe falls into the SoQ, thats when it becomes a Bubble universe. From what i can gather, literally everything in the game and manga, throughout its runtime contradicts your argument of the tree beeing one universe (whatever the hell that even means to begin with). You say original scrips, but is still a CURRENT script is all that matters, for all i know youre citing a outdated draft, or simply a retcon (because again, youre the only source for this as i cant find it anywhere). The avg Herrscher is nigh planetary at birth (thinking PE here) concidering Herrscher of flame literally engulfed Aus in a eternal sea of fire within a week. And each Herrscher is a mere fraction/fragment of Finality, something Kiana now is the authority of. Only exception afaik is Origin as she is a anomaly and thus we dont quite know under what rules she falls. As ive said on other videos, some archons > some herrschers, some aeons > some herrschers but exclusing GGZ, HoFin > all as of right now. I dunno what youre really saying with "Su looking at alternative earths is not him looking through multiverse..." The fact he is looking at alternative earths would by default make it multiverse, otherwise theres cant be "multiple earths". Them existing on the tree as different possibilities would defacto make them part of a multiverse. Kiana firing at Sa into a different space entirely with merely 1% of her strength would by default make her multidimensional, since she shoots literally into a compleatly different space than ours, and its with only 1% (an attack btw that is said to be strong enough to destroy a planet). Her beeing able to tp people to Mars or not is irrelevant in this case (not what you said, but has been said by others).

[@XenoGenerator]

@@TheMakushimirian kzbin.info/www/bejne/aHLLiZ-Qpah-ocksi=5WYEJHzd6kxBN4AG This too

[@bluedevils7164]

You forgot about ggz the one that more absurd even if you combine hi3 & hsr to the outers god in ggz 😅

[@scarletrose8766]

To be fair Hi3rd is a more grounded in powerscaling than GGZ ..... GGz Herrschers are on a higher scale take Wendy for example .... In Hi3rd she dint get to strong in GGZ she was a menace.

[@matdanial6887]

ggz is just on complete other level

[@rakkky]

Watching this after 2.2 hsr I'm inclined to believe acheron is somewhat on the same scale as herrschers(and maybe other emanaters we are yet to see)

[@GamerLightWarrior456]

Yeah Acheron should scale to if not above Herrschers which includes HoFi Kiana which is insane if we go by the statements being on dimensional tiers of power and considering Aeons are much stronger than Acheron that by extension should make them stronger than Herrschers.

[@BluTru]

​@@GamerLightWarrior456 and why exactly do you think acheron scale above herrschers even hofi?

[@kirinrias6912]

im not an expert in honkai lore but the feeling i got so far is that aeons are bound by rules, finality is not or at lest to a far lesser point, and to herrscher, aside from element they often stand for certain concepts. for example reason. death/life (rebirth) and so on. as far as we know herrscher are more like aeons, maybe not in scale but at least in what they represent. and every herrscher is only a part of finality. also we know that only in the pe and ce the herrschers were fixed. Who knows what existed before?

[@plang-plang5035]

"Kiana can destroy half of sea of quanta which is infinite, that would mean kiana is strong enough to destroy half of infinity. To put it simply. Finality can causes the Leafs on the tree branches to sunk to the Sea by merely emerging. Aeons for all their glory never stepped outside the Leaf" Imma just quote this statement from one of the comments, you guys can argue in the reply

[@theunknown1760]

There's an aeon of finality but there's not much but against time and future stuff

[@diehard5624]

If they're in same universe. Not multi dimensions or some other crazy stuffs like higher and lower dimension concept in Chinese novels. And doesnt count GGZ of course. Then its safe to say that Archon is Nation level threat with power to shape the surface of entire region. Herschers with power to wipe out the surface of a planet and destroy hunan civilazation (although it only apply to really strong herschers becuz there were some weak, juvinile herschers among them) Aoen? We dont know yet. All we know about them is just some feats they did through some vivid description of Welt and other people. Like how they measure an Amber Era by each time Amber Lord Qlipoth swing his huge hammer, ranging from 76 - 240 trailblazer years (which is close to earth year according to wiki). Which is insane. And according to Herta, if IX move it great body, the balance of the universe would've collapse, again, its insane. But then again, we need to give hoyo a few more years for they reveal more infomation. So we can imagine a bigger picture of how strong Aoen can really be. And if its true that Hsr and Hi3 is same universe or not. I personally dont really care who is stronger tho. I just want the Express to bring uncle Welt home and to reveal the very nature of Honkai on Earth, and if possible, take some hi3 characters to join the Express and explore the galaxy together.

[@Shinkuruju]

Without having it watched yet. mihoyo did said once that Finality Kiana is the strongest being. And wasnt the Aeon of Destruction wounded by Void Archives? So if he gets harmed by that, then Kiana would like oneshot him across the verse just like she did to Sa. Archons... Well... Eh... Yeah. Now if we take GGZ into this matter... WoA Kiana would solo all of them.

[@yuujiayato4389]

when was Mihoyo said that Kiana is strongest? Can't remember even in the interviews videos or clips.

[@Shinkuruju]

@@yuujiayato4389 It was stated once, can't unfortunately find it anymore but have just read it before. Think it was even said, not entirely sure anymore. That the current KeBin would be able to defeat the previous Finality? Could be wrong on that.

[@roseerina]

@@Shinkuruju Yes Kevin surpassed the previous Herrscher of Finality but not the Cocoon of Finality. PE HoFi is basically just an avatar or a puppet of the Cocoon.

[@brightlight8852]

Nanook was wounded before he became an Aeon. And there are hints that the one who injured him was actually Luocha (hsr Otto) as it was a fencer.

[@stuffzluvverz_7665]

​@@Shinkurujuthats in the boss data description. His final form Trancended the Herrscher of the End. Idk if you could access it but if hes in the Shperstring dimension the game tells you he's already surpassed HotE.

[@cheenocurig1993]

Hmmmm, you did a good job with explaining about each powerhouses of each games but Aeons and CoF is kinda different. Aeons can gaze others and make them an emenators, some emenators are indeed capable of destroying planets but in Nonook's Legion, there was someone capable of destroying an entire galaxies which put them in above herrschers feats. Herrschers has a tons of feats and each of herrschers are just part of the Cocoon of Finality's power. Herrscher of Finality has all of the herrschers Authority combined and the HoFi isn't bounded to a path and can freely do whatever it wants if it doesn't want to embrace Humanity. Emenators and Aeons has a unbelievable feats but all of it doesnt even come close to herrschers of Hi3 since they basically accessing the Imaginary tree and using it to look for a way to save earth, meanwhile HSR characters doesnt even go to Imaginary Tree or the Sea of Quanta... Aeons are the only one who is actually has a connection to the tree😅. I was kinda confused as to why you said Fire Moth when you started at Wendy... I thougth you were talking about GGZ for a moment since in GGZ Fire Moth and Schicksal are both in the current era. Meanwhile in Hi3, Fire Moth disappeared completely in the previous era and only the flame chasers remains(some of them), Wendy was defeated by Schicksal trio and not fire moth. Aeons scale at universal - multiversal Herrschers scale at Multiversal - Hyperversal Primodial ones scale at Planetary - Solar system Archons scale at National - Continental Btw, GGZ is currently the most strongest among all of the hoyogames combined, their scaling is really high since GGZ doesnt deal with entities that governs the Imaginary Tree but rather the entities above Imaginary tree (basically they fight entities that represents the entire Hoyoverse and the concept of Imaginary Tree isnt in GGZ and they never encounter it at all but it was at least mentioned once or twice. Overall, this video still explain it quite good and some will get how the scalings work at least❤

[@murilocruzfã_da_raiden_mei_Hl3]

A question I have about the outer gods, are they canonical? I see some people saying they are not canonical

[@jakeblitzcoffie4859]

Let me make this more accurate. Ggz Verse - High Hyperversal - High Outer Hi3 Verse - High Complex Multiversal - Low Outer HSR Verse - Multi Galaxy - Universal GI Verse - Small Island - Continental

[@cheenocurig1993]

@@jakeblitzcoffie4859 That's the scaling of the VERSE of each games not the scaling of the each entities, but still the scaling of the verse that you put is correct

[@cheenocurig1993]

@@murilocruzfã_da_raiden_mei_Hl3 they are cannon in GGZ, but in Hi3 and HSR they aren't (yet)

[@murilocruzfã_da_raiden_mei_Hl3]

​@@cheenocurig1993Wow, it would be cool if they were mentioned in other games

[@dark_wolf260]

Aeons can defeat most herrschers for sure, but when it comes to ascended herrschers like Origin or Truth then it's hard to tell. This is because Aeons use imaginary energy, which is a pure version of Honkai energy and it comes from the imaginary tree itself, and any herrscher except ascended ones, Kiana or Kevin can use it. Other exception that would beat Aeons is Elysia who doesn't really need an explanation

[@user-ny1lu2ou7t]

In my opinion Imaginary tree on ggz and hi3 are not real Imaginary trees but just avatars of Imaginary trees to manage world bubbles. Mihoyo's CEO once said that genshin belongs to the honkai universe. In the hi3 storyline, Otto makes a deal with Imaginary tree Hi3 to revive Kellen, after which Otto's entire existence disappears from Imaginary tree. In theory, Otto's entire body and all the other world Otto on Imaginary tree Hi3 would disappear, but as a result, the bodies of Otto and all the other world Otto exist, only Otto's soul is death. Evidence is that Void Archives uses Otto's body, James Moriarty - Soulium incarnation in Otto's body, Kaveh - Otto of GI and Loucha - Otto of HSR still exist. GGZ's Will of honkai come from the civilization of the Higher Universe to invade the civilizations of the lower universe. Will of honkai is essentially energy and Will of honkai cannot invade civilizations that use energy sources of greater nature than honkai. Besides, Imaginary tree in GGZ and Hi3 cannot see any civilizations other than the solar system, while Imaginary tree in HSR allows to see all different civilizations in the multiverse. Hessrcher Final is the only entity in Hi3 and GGZ that can access the full power and energy of Imaginary tree in Hi3 and GGZ. According to the plot, Imaginary tree in GGZ and Hi3 only has 1 Hesscher of Final. Additionally, in the plot it is said that Imaginary tree is the source of all universes. Therefore, universe of Will of Honkai still lies within Imaginary tree. So it is completely unreasonable for Kiana and Mei from GGZ to leave their own universe after defeating Will of honkai so that their own universe is safe. That means Imaginary tree on GGZ is not really the real Imaginary tree because Kiana and Mei on GGZ have to leave their universe. Currently GI universe and HSR universe do not have honkai energy and not affected or targeted by honkai. On HSR side, Astral Express HSR only goes to civilizations in the entire universe on the leaves on the HSR's imaginary tree. Astral Express that arrived in the Hi3 universe invited Welt and Void Archives on board. In the end, only Welt stayed and Void Achieve was chased away, whose whereabouts are currently unknown. That means Hi3 universe is just a leaf on HSR's Imaginary tree, and Hi3's Imaginary tree is just a leaf on HSR's Imaginary tree. Another evidence is that Su Hi3 has ascended to a higher space than Hi3's imaginary tree and quantum sea. GI universe is close to Hi3 Universe because Otto observed Dvalin of GI Universe, but GI universe is not influenced by the honkai. From that, it can be deduced that in essence, elemental power and destiny path power are stronger than honkai. Elemental energy can be equal to imaginary energy. Because in HSR only destiny path energy and elemental power are used. In addition, the characters in Hi3 and GGZ both use elemental powers in addition to honkai energy. And elemental power contains Imaginary elemental. So in theory, elemental energy would be on par with imaginary energy. From the above evidence, it can be deduced that Imaginary tree on GGZ and Hi3 will have the same level as Irminsul on GI. Regarding Aeon, I don't know how strong other Aeon but IX is too strong. Aha climbed to the top of the imaginary tree only to see IX's shadow covering the top of the imaginary tree. because IX is nothingness, it has no form. What IX shows other Aeons and mortals is IX's shadow and avatar because the real IX is sleeping. The avatar incarnation of one thousandth of the characteristics of IX's shadow is even stronger than Acheron. Infecting one thousandth of the characteristics of IX's shadow, Acheron became IX's Emanator. Acheron is now free from the laws of cause and effect and the flow of time. IX can erase the multiverse, that is, erase the existence of the imaginary tree, but it cannot completely erase its own existence. Because IX is nothingness and true nothingness is the absence of anything that exists, even omnipotence, omniscience, space-time dimensions or nothingness are denied. The so-called omnipotence and omniscience are not real. Because if you are omniscient, you don't need to study but still know everything, understand everything, master everything, never do anything wrong and there is nothing that you cannot do. Omnipotent means the strongest, has enough strength, ability and can do everything, but if you do not have enough awareness and knowledge, you cannot do anything and can be completely defeated. If omniscience and omnipotence are combined, that person will become a person who does not need to study but still never makes mistakes, never fails, understands everything, knows everything, and is fluent in everything. The both omniscient and omnipotence person is the strongest, the smartest, has the most potential, possesses both all the power and all the abilities. Aeon (HSR), Hessrcher (GGZ + Hi3), Archon (GI) or Outer God (GGZ) are not qualified to be called omniscient and omnipotence.

[@RAGEN99]

If Izumo was just a parallel of earth and "Kami" is just another name for "Honkai beast" like how Vita said in venus they called honkai beast as "Abyss" then IX annihilated them like they were just a footnote in history clearly shows who's the strongest here. IX erased them from history including the planet so much so that "The End" never came.

[@Sparkle367]

You know that Honkai Beasts are the weakest form of Honkai and that they aren't even close to herrschers, let alone Finality, right?

[@RAGEN99]

​​@@Sparkle367I was talking about them as a whole Honkai Infestation, Herrscher included.

[@misbah1732]

Cocoon of Finality is the strongest since its a higher dimensional being that can reset time. To my knowledge there isn't any statement saying aeons can defy the laws of time meaning finality>aeons because finality can just go back in time and kill their weakest point in the past erasing the old timeline with new timeline without that beings existence. I didn't say kiana since she is still learning about finality

[@chelo136]

Finality cant reset time, the samsara is not a time reset , is a cycle reset , that is similar but not the same, if it was the same everything that kevin and the flamechaser did wouldnt have affected the next era at all . Also finality has to actually travel to the planet to be able to have that type of influence over a phsycal place, he has done it to multiple planets in the solar system, so his power is actually pretty limited

[@aldyzero6676]

​​@@chelo136"his"...tell me you know nothing without actually telling me

[@chelo136]

@@aldyzero6676 tell me you dont know people that speak english as a second or third lenguage witouth telling me And im pretty sure his works, cocoon is a single entity now, even if it was the merge of civilizations

[@0LE4NDER._.]

Terminus the aeon of finality travels backwards in time foretelling a prophecy that is destined to be fulfilled.

[@kurokami5964]

i think the herrshers are emanator of Terminus of Finality with the herrsher of finality perhaps his strongest emanator Acheron i think is the herrsher of origin (but older), thats why she is refered as an emanator outside of the solar system

[@brightlight8852]

Primordial one is a joke I would hesitate to even put it on the level of an enamator, as even complete randos can do what it does. Reminder in Star Rail an incomplete weapon destroyed over 27 planets in one shot. And Ruan Mei who did what the Primordial One did for science.

[@luissaumeth8000]

and then there is the theory of the primordial one being a bored Griseo that created Teyvat as a hobby

[@brightlight8852]

@luissaumeth8000 Hell even Ruan Mei could have created it and then abandoned it.

[@luissaumeth8000]

@@brightlight8852 Tbh there are a lot of Honkai characters that could have created teyvat, Griseo is the most possible one cause all the teyvat cosmology just screams Griseo all over it, but Teyvat could be a bubble universe from any civilization that knows how to make one

[@brightlight8852]

@luissaumeth8000 Yeah, that's my point. What the Primordial One can do isn't impressive to Honkai verse. Hell at best you can say that many won't kill indiscriminately like the PO did and that's more because of their own morality than anything else.

[@luissaumeth8000]

@@brightlight8852 And then people would tell you the PO would beat the shit out of anyone in the honkai series xD. Not only the PO feats aren't as impressive, but they could as well be exagerations. Wanderer's mission tells us that for information to be safe from irminsul erasure they should be transformed into tales. Half of the PO feats could easily be exagerations or metaphores made so is safe from being erased from irminsul

[@GamerLightWarrior456]

Herrschers are like multiversal Aeons are at least maybe universal Yeah HI3 destroys HSR and GI. I don’t even need to talk about GGZ because that solos all 3 of them.

[@neoz1493]

Hsr is universal is outdated since 1.0 Now we have more information, and yeah Aeon is more than universal

[@PhoenixBirb]

Herrschers aren't even above planetary

[@nev781]

inb4 hsr only player will say aeons are greater than herrschers and archons, like how nanook casually destroys worlds. also missed oppurtunity to include ggz outer gods 😂 just list their powers, say outer gods can solo all aeons + emanators,archons + pets + celestia,herrschers all at once and call it a day

[@scarletrose8766]

Kiana in Hi3rd finger gun with SA can do what Nanook can at 1% of finality authority sooooooo......

[@chelo136]

@@scarletrose8766 What kiana did while needing the help to actually be able to aim using the coordinates , Aeons do it all the time alone, Lan the weakest aeon can shoot his arrows to star systems light years away , kiana shoot it to the edge if her own solar system ... like if you just play one game dont try to compared the two

[@scarletrose8766]

@@chelo136 yeah cause Kiana hasn't been using all her powers duh 🙄 you think your aeons started off that strong let's not forget your so called aeons are dead as they said aeons can be killed they aren't omnipotent while Kevin did jack shit to PE HoTE

[@chelo136]

@@scarletrose8766 Aeons cant grow stronger or weaker really, as they are limited by their path , Aeons can be kill but so far only other Aeons have done that. Cocoon waste 50k years over and over again in the samsara to embrace earth, and then spend who knows how much doing it to the other planets, he cant even do it to more than 1 planet at the same time Meanwhile Aeons destroy solar systems like is killing a fly Difference here is i play both games and know the lore of both so i try to be objective with the info we have , while other people are just HI3 or HSR fanboys or just never play both and it shows

[@scarletrose8766]

@@chelo136 yeah that's the issue with aeons if you say is true they can't get strong then they already weaker than finality or HoTe in general cause they don't evolve unlike Honkai that do what's stopping Kiana from surpassing aeon of Lan considering lan is not the strongest aeon and yes only aeon can kill an Aeon but you forget that hote dint take damage from anything at best Kevin stunned him after all the sacrifice that pardo did. The big main issue of aeons is that they are stuck on a single path as you said and never grow humanity do let alone Kiana let's say GGZ Kiana is like a baseline for what Kiana would end up let's say a bit weaker wouldn't that prove that if they do continue to improve Kiana more there's actually more room for her to grow they done it before.

[@Ero-Sempai]

We have the strongest Tuna 😂❤

[@scarletrose8766]

We technically have 2 versions of Tuna.... Hi3rd tuna is weaker in comparison to GGZ tuna

[@theunknown1760]

We don't have much info aeons they're still mystery we dont where is finality beauty trailbalze and other aeon mention in lore with few info still fresh they did add beauty in simulated universe and it wasn't clear if shes alive or not And XI nhility is Just a void

[@dilandelgado7337]

I just came back from recap on the herrschers powers and the current information we have about emanator and I trustfully by my own perspective that herrschers are stronger then the primordial one and emanators and is really easy to now is because they are imaginary and this is not the case with emanators even do they have a the aeon blessing they are still physical beings not imaginary and another fact is that they pull their power from imaginary space and to be more clear aeon's power is pull out from imaginary space too and with what we have see in acheron character it seems that she is strong but not as a herrscher how poses their own authority and to put a example if acheron attack a herrscher her attack will not hurt her because they can create a imaginary wall that protect them and it doesn't need to make sense because they don't follow the physical laws/reality's rules.

[@yl.f.t9438]

she destroyed a black hole, I see her capable of hurting the herrschers

[@Stro2101]

The main problem with Herrschers is the Herrschers from Honkai Impact 3rd are much weaker than the Herrschers from GGZ which some of them are even at par with Aeons (GGZ scaling is much higher than Honkai Impact 3rd). The strongest beings of the Honkai multiverse are the Outher Gods which their powers and existence transcends the imaginary tree and the sea of quanta. Also I think that the primordial one may be weaker than Herrschers and Emanators.

[@jakeblitzcoffie4859]

Herrschers with higher authority and dimensionality are stronger than the Aeons, but Herrschers that are 4D and weaker like Wendy aren't. Kiana was stated to transcend all dimensions in part 1.5. That statement alone puts her way above the Aeons because the Aeons have nothing that puts them higher than 4D-5D beings at best. Kiana is as close to omnipotence as you can get in the Hi3 universe. I mean, just think about all the different abilities she has. Considering she sniped SA with a faster than light bullet across the Solarsystem and into the SoQ using a planet destroying bullet with 1% of her authority, she is easily just as if not more destructive than the Aeons. Not to mention, if you take into account all the things HoTE could do and add those statements and feats to her, she is basically nigh immortal. Welt stated in the Second Eruption manga that going supernova against Sirin Ascendant only had a 1% chance to kill her because she had the Herrscher of Death core, and Finality is way more powerful than Sirin. That means Kiana could tank a supernova to the face without even flinching. Both Welt and Sirin were stated to be Solarsystem level in the Durandal VN, btw. So more powerful Herrschers are planetary+. Obviously, finality is stronger than both combined. I would put Kiana at universal low ball and low outer if you scale her properly. In conclusion, Kiana obliterates all of Hoyoverse right now, excluding GGZ Verse.

[@yuujiayato4389]

then they will say to you Welt didn't do anything at Phantylia and Herrschers didn't destroyed any planets. So Aeons > Herrschers lmao That's their argument for you. But you know, devs and writers can write and just nerf someone for PLOT like Kebin which Kiana talked to us.

[@jakeblitzcoffie4859]

@@yuujiayato4389 Current Welt is not prime Welt, but the dude is still at the level of a Lord Ravager because he has Star of Eden.

[@yuujiayato4389]

@@jakeblitzcoffie4859 yeah, but these whole argument will not go like these if Herrscher reach their real potential and if Hoyo will let us destroy any planets like what Sirin did at 2nd eruption. Many PPL here didn't read that manga which they think Aeons or even emanators are stronger. But what can you do PLOT purposes. You can check my comment here I explain some of them as well. I pointed something that may help them who's the strongest.

[@chelo136]

Kiana say she cant even travel to Mars or that it would take her a long time in 2.0 prologue , all the mumbojumbo of higher dimenison and bla bla is just that mumbojambo, in reality finality , even the coocon is not that strong, he have to travel to each planet in the solar system to use his powers on it and atempt assimilation , Aeons can ejerce his power from galaxys afar , they not even close , in HSR humans have imaginary bombs that have wipe 27 planets at the same time in one go and those still dont do anything to Aeons and is an imagianry energy bomb. Hi3 likes to do high exposition and dimensional talk and all that but at the end of the day they have 0 feats that shopw any of that, is just all talk, the higets power anyone show is cocoon of finality with the samsara skilll (and otto vcretaing a new branch of the imaginary tree to "revive" kallen)and is a pretty damn low skill when Aeons like phantylia can give immortal life to an entire planet with a snap of her fingers or others can destroy multiple solar system in 1 second

[@jakeblitzcoffie4859]

@chelo136 Yeah, so dimensionality is actually really important in Hoyoverse lore. To scale stuff properly, you need to take everything into account. It's not just "mumbojambo" as you put it. They wouldn't have bothered talking about it extensively if it was. Also, it's funny you mention feats, as all the Aeons have yet to actually properly appear onscreen with a notable feat. Kiana, on the other hand, has on-screen feats already, and Finality has better feats than the Aeons via the manga. The Aeons are strong in raw power and not so much hax/high levels of dimensional authority like the CoF, who is canonically above all dimensions, while the Aeons are not. The reason Kiana can't teleport to Mars is because 1, she is still sealing away the Honkai into the moon, and 2, she has yet to fully understand her powers and authority of Finality fully. Remember, a casual snipe from the moon and across the Solarsystem into another dimension entirely was her using 1% of her Finality authority, and Fu Hua stated it could destroy a planet. Imaginary bombs mean nothing to Finality because Finality could do the same things in one shot. Finality wouldn't even be affected by a weapon like that in the first place. Kiana could very easily take out the Hi3 universe if she wanted to, as PE Finality, aka HoTE, had already canonicaly done exactly that to countless other universes throughout the Imaginary Tree. HoTE just has better statements and feats than all the Aeons combined at this point in time. If anything, Terminus the Finality is a downgraded Jr. Version of HoTE/HoFi. Also, CoF is more than capable of destroying the universe. It's just not in its goals to do so. All it wants is to find a successful "embrace." Not destroy the entire universe. That's just a side effect of what it's been doing for billions of years. It's been around since probably even the beginning of the Imaginary Tree, unlike the Aeons who are millions of years old at best. Just admit you are wrong dude, and stop with the copium.

[@xavierchiu9103]

Even before the video started, we all know Archons are the weakest ones

[@Clmrn]

A lot of the counter the theory people saying that HoF is winning over the Aeons, is because Herrscher are higher in dimensional level, which are true ofc, but at the same time, we just doesnt have that much information about the Aeons and their power, which are almost the opposite of Herrscher, where their power are shown and witnessed, we almost have all the information of the Herrscher power, we know theri ability,hax,etc. there still a possibility that aeon are higher in dimensional level too, i mean terminus could go back in time. but atm, HI3 > HSR.

[@RAGEN99]

They are higher dimensional beings, from the wiki, "The Aeons are mysterious, godlike higher-dimensional beings in Honkai: Star Rail who preside over the universe. The birth of an Aeon gives rise to a Path, which the Aeon then has power over. Aeons also have the ability to bestow mortals with their power, making them Emanators. They call them, "Aeons" in this cosmos. They construct reality, erase stars, and leave their marks on countless worlds."

[@JavenJC69]

GGZ: look at them trying to be on my level, amateurs

[@RueVi_]

Like it or not,imaginary tree get debunked to 4D by da wei himself. So no multiverse and hi3rd herrscher now just planetary fodder compare to aeons who can be universal and archon is insect compare to them.

[@GaymerAjaksn]

Kiana>>>>All Aeons

[@Aowkwkwkw]

​@@GaymerAjaksn Funny mate, its only 4B tier in versus battle compared to Nanook 3B

[@Ivandorum]

As i know in hsr exist Terminus the eon of finality. So i supose that is equal in power sense than herscher of finality/cocoon of finality

[@PhoenixBirb]

No?

[@V3elona8]

As said in the video. The cocoon of finality only picks ONE person which is HoFi kiana so no the aeon of finality doesn’t control the cocoon of finality.

[@Zoapman]

I personally thought Herrscher of the End 50,000 years ago was the strongest. Kevin, Fu Hua Dr. Mei and other from the previous era went all out just to deal like 10% of its HP😂

[@jakeblitzcoffie4859]

HoTE should be equal with current Kiana. So she should scale above all Hoyoverse games minus Ggz.

[@Yaniko__]

Tuna of Finality will be reigning them all with an iron paw

[@scarletrose8766]

You mean Tunality will be reigning them all lol

[@PhoenixBirb]

GGZ one yes

[@rhio_bimo]

There's the current Herrschers of Finality, Kiana and the Cocoon of Finality. There's also the Aeon of Finality, Terminus. Terminus, the Aeon that moves backward in time and presides over the Path of Finality. The apparition travels across the universe while murmuring a prophecy that is destined to be fulfilled. Cocoon of Finality, an imaginary entity that resides in an unknown imaginary space. It is described by Kevin Kaslana as an "extraterrestrial manipulator of fate". It manipulates Honkai energy in this world and creates Herrschers. There's also the definition of Aeon, godlike higher-dimensional beings who preside over the universe. The birth of an Aeon gives rise to a Path, which the Aeon then has power over. Now, the questions lies in whether or not the Cocoon of Finality was created because of the path of Finality or is it it's own entity. If the Cocoon was created after the path of Finality, then AT MOST, the cocoon is on par with Terminus. Both Terminus and the cocoon has power over time because their relation with Finality, so I think the cocoon is, in fact, a 'thing' that tread the path of Finality. If this is true, then Aeons are stronger than the Cocoon. If the cocoon does not tread the path of Finality, just inherit the name 'Finality', because its ability to manipulate time, then the cocoon and its herrscher of Finality could be stronger than Aeons. tl:dr if the cocoon follow the path of Finality, at most, the cocoon is on par with Aeons, probably weaker tho. If not, the cocoon could be stronger. Edit: Typo

[@TunaHorns]

In Chinese, Hoyo's main language, both "Finality"-es are written slightly differently, so there is a chance that Hoyo implied similarities, but without a real connection. We know Hoyo to make direct references in HSR to H3rd, such as entire phrases from Acheron being identical to phrases in H3rd (in chinese), so for Hoyo to actively use 2 different namings, it implies there is a diference. Of course, this doesn't make it impossible, just less likely.

[@RAGEN99]

Welt just confirmed that what happened to Acheron world is much much worse than his old world because they strode into IX's shadow. IX (Aeon) >>>>>> Honkai infestation.

[@BootHillHSR2024]

It's worse because their planet got destroyed not because the being that descended on it is stronger

[@dilandelgado7337]

@@BootHillHSR2024 you are right and wrong at the same time because welt was sad that a person similar to mei had suffer so much and that at the end of their battled against their fate they lose and all their work was for nothing and he fell this because on how acheron is similar but the different between their world is that welt world was not confronting aliens that were trying to take over the world so they can live but actually it was fight fate and the same energy that create aeons paths.

[@Not_Vergil]

My waifu Yog sothoth from GGZ can solos them all AT THE SAME TIME

[@luissaumeth8000]

everyone knows GGZ never counts cause even a folded piece of paper tossed by any random character from there could one shot all of GI, HSR, and HI3 at the same time

[@scarletrose8766]

And cause the global is already dead and maybe the CN server too sooo not sure about the CN but I know global is already dead for a few years now last time I saw the global was kyuusho got introduced

[@luissaumeth8000]

@@scarletrose8766 In the CN after the new update in HI3, GGZ got a boost on popularity cause apparently people just didn't like part 2 and went to play GGZ instead, so is everything but dead lol

[@scarletrose8766]

@@luissaumeth8000 yeah but I mean is that ggz global is dead you can't play it anymore and have to play the CN one I dint know if or when CN will go down as I recall GGZ story is done now. Not sure if they are gonna continue ggz since it technically ended.

[@luissaumeth8000]

@@scarletrose8766 GGZ story is ini think it's fourth chapter already, that just started in 2023, so nah, the story hasn't ended already either, GGZ is still going strong in china apparently

[@dark_shinryu]

Well if i see how story telling style in those 3 game we will get more information about Herrscher's then other. I mean honkai story focus on they mc char because battle suit system so we can get more details about they're story, personality, environment, and power. Also the enemy and the depression 😅 Genshin and star rail not so focus (maybe not focus) on they mc story. They more give you new char story rather than focus on main story. That's also you need to check some documents to get the details and imagination to visualize those information rather then see the animation. 😅 Because those imagination i can't compare because that is not valid point. 😂

[@infinitezion2029]

I think the only Herrscher that could get dropped by an Archon would be the long since retconned Herrscher of lust lol. Her ability wasn't too bad but she was too mentally unwell to do anything outside of her. . . .hobbies.

[@jakeblitzcoffie4859]

That's from Ggz. This video is about Hi3 Herrschers.

[@shanedoesyoutube8001]

There's Herrscher of lust???

[@jakeblitzcoffie4859]

@@shanedoesyoutube8001 Only in Gun Girls Z. Not in Hi3 universe.

[@shanedoesyoutube8001]

@@jakeblitzcoffie4859 so what's the deal with that other than being literally what the Hoyoverse fandom is very into???

[@jakeblitzcoffie4859]

@@shanedoesyoutube8001 Idk what you mean. I'm not Hoyoverse. You mean the character itself?

[@nemofira6027]

Why are Hersherr feats so varied and inconsistent? There are people saying that Herscherrs are just emanator levels of strength whereas there are some talking about them as if they're Scarlet Witch levels of power? Is it just to boost their favorite character? Archons and Aeons all have consistent statements about them (For the Aeons is a special case as they don't have enough feats listed), but one guy literally says that Kiana is omnipotent (I highly doubt that. If she were there wouldn't be a story). I feel like people are misunderstanding the concepts of dimensionality / Authority and just power-scaling them to a 100 because they want Herscherrs to be stronger lol. What's weirder is if you search for any thread in HSR and Hi3rd subreddit regarding Hersherr - Aeon comparisons, literally all of them agree that Aeons are far stronger than Herscherrs, meanwhile here on youtube it's always the complete opposite. Which one is actually correct lmao.

[@jakeblitzcoffie4859]

Not all Herrschers are stronger than Aeons, only true Herrschers like Origin, Truth and Finality/End. This also applies to Herrschers with higher dimensionality than Aeons like HoV who's core has properties that allow it's user to travel to the highest plane of existence on the Imaginary Tree. The Aeons have no statements that put them higher than 4D-5D beings, but Finality was stated in part 1.5 of the story to transcend all dimensions, something the Aeons aren't capable of. Herrschers and their strength vary quite a bit, especially when looking into Ggz lore. In Hi3 Herrschers are anywhere from Large Island level to low outer. The weaker Herrschers like Wendy and Herrscher of Rimestar/Ice get beaten by Emanators and Aeons, but stronger ones like Origin one-shots Aeons due to the way their authority functions. It all comes down to the Herrscher and Aeon you are using in the debate. That's probably why people are getting confused so much, nobody is specific about what Herrscher they are talking about, they just say Herrschers are stronger than Aeons and then don't elaborate further. Also Kiana is nigh omnipotent, not omnipotent. They aren't the same thing. Nigh means near. Kiana is close to Omnipotence, but she isn't truly omnipotent, only the Outer Gods are.

[@PhoenixBirb]

​​@@jakeblitzcoffie4859What are you on? No herrscher in HI3 is close to a aeon

[@nemofira6027]

​@@jakeblitzcoffie4859 Are there any feats that put them at 11d? Not to be rude, but I don't think anyone that isn't already omnipotent would know "11D higher dimensionality" even if it was slung on their faces. The entire power scaling of 11d and above just doesn't make sense? Does it require a 69D being to beat them? With how strong people are making some of these guys out it doesn't make sense for there to even be anything resembling an obstacle to them unless it's a 12D, 13D, heck a 1 BILLION Dimensional being. Compared to HSR, Aeons are a bit clearer on what they can do. When you ask Himeko in the Express about her thoughts about the "Galaxy" and it's nature: Himeko: "I've been to many different worlds, yet I still know very little about the galaxy, simply because it's too vast. As for its nature, there are a few theories I can share with you." Himeko: "The most popular theory is probably the cosmos tree theory, proposed by Zandar, Emanator of Erudition and the first member of the Genius Society. He compared the galaxy to an enormous Imaginary Tree, with its leaves being individual universes." The texts in regards to the words "universe" and "galaxy" is consistent all the time. When the word "universe" is used in HSR context it is most likely referring to the entire tree, seeing how it has already been implied so many times in game that the Astral Express can travel between leaves, how can Aeons who are deemed much stronger not do so? "The Imaginary Tree is a theory of the UNIVERSE widely accepted by the modern scientific community" - Imaginary Tree Theory, HSR Data Bank: again with the word universe. It's obvious by now that the word Universe in the HSR lore is not referring to their bubble universe, seeing how they mention that leaves may contain entire universes. They are referring to the honkaiverse i.e the tree itself. The appearance of Welt (and how I assume Herta may have interrogated him for information further serves this) Now on to Aeon feats, the two strongest I know of so far are of Aha and HooH: - When the Aeon of Elation climbed to the highest branch on the Tree of Existence (with how even people of non-herscherr / emanator standing in the HSR universe know of the existence of the imaginary tree all the way from the first genius society member, it is highly UNLIKELY that the tree of existence being referred to here is a single leaf. Such a grandiose name when they know there is something out there way bigger.) - HooH dissolved their will into the web of logic behind the universe's movement, maintaining the balance and stability of all things in perpetuity (again with the word "universe". I think by now it's obvious that it's not referring to a single leaf in the Imaginary Tree.) Even Nanook, mentioned in the Data Bank, implies that all he does is at a universal scale. I think with how consistent the word universe is being used in HSR, it's correct to assume that majority of the Aeons are able to influence the Tree, especially HooH. Now these are direct feats that actually makes sense. Not that 11d snake oil and buzzwords.

[@jakeblitzcoffie4859]

@@PhoenixBirb Way to just straight-up ignore what I said. 🗿

[@jakeblitzcoffie4859]

@nemofira6027 The whole 11D thing comes from the Durandal Visual Novel, where it states that certain Herrscher cores can project their authority across all the dimensions of the SoQ similar to an Either Anchor, which is an 11 dimensional construct. The Herrschers being referred to were HoR and HoV. Not all Herrschers have this ability, and ones without it would get wiped out by an Aeon in seconds. Keep in mind that both Ggz and Hi3 deal with the Imaginary Tree directly, unlike HSR, where the Tree is just a theory in their universe. Nobody has actually seen the thing. In Hi3, Otto directly interacted with the Imaginary Tree using the Imaginary Space and then created infinite timelines on it where Kallen lived instead of dying. The Tree of Existence is theorized in HSR to be their universe, while in Hi3, the tree contains multiple, and this is proven to be the case. In the Second Key manga, Su states that all the leaves of the Imaginary Tree represent a parrelel universe. This is info that comes from a game where people have directly interacted with the Tree. The only reason Otto was able to was because the Will of Honkai allowed him to. The Will of Honkai is basically the ruler of the Imaginary Tree, while the CoF is executor of universes on its branches. What the Aeons are able to influence is limited to their leaf on the Imaginary Tree. I'm not calling the Aeons weak. They are stronger than the majority of Hi3 universe. But once put up against the higher forces of the Honkai, things become different. WoH, CoF/HoFi/HoTE are forces of Honkai that are higher in authority than the Hi3 universe. They affect the entirety of the Imaginary Tree with their actions. Both CoF and WoH don't have physical forms and project themselves from higher dimensions. HoTE, for example, is a physical manifestation of the CoF in the proper world. The CoF itself transcends all dimensions and so can never appear in its actual form to mortals. Hence, why both it and WoH use avatars to interact with people in the proper world.

[@jester1924]

Kiana is the graceful goddess of Hoyo and scales to Outerversal via Finality. Kebin big boi bonks u wit a bat + Finality and scales to Outerversal as well lol Most Aeons are weaker than the high rollers of HI3 like Prime Welt, Bronya, Kiana, Ellie, Kalpas to a certain degree, Su, Seele, and my boi Kevin. HOWEVER XI, Terminus, and HooH are Aeons of interest. They might stand up to HI3 But that’s just my take

[@user-sb2cg8fe8k]

L take LMAO "Most aeons are weaker than prime welt" 😂 Nuff said. Ur a clown that has no idea what he's talking about. Prime welt was continental level. And you're saying universal/reality level threats get folded by him?

[@yuujiayato4389]

dont forget Aha, that guy break the 4th wall at SU, maybe he knows as well that they're inside of the game as well, the real Aha.

[@PhoenixBirb]

Kiana even as HoFin is barely planet level in HI3 there's absolutely no way she is outerversal

[@yuujiayato4389]

@@PhoenixBirb learn the dimensionality, Kiana stated a HOFi transcended all dimensions. IMG space and IMG tree is different from physical space where Aeons like Qlipoth, Ena, Tazzyroth, Orouboros, and even Emanator operates. Even Sirib can destroy these guys at higher dimensional plane like what happened to 2nd eruption where she travel to IMG space and destroyed the leaves of IMG tree. She gonna all need to find where the leaves where Emanators or even Orobouros and Tazzyroth so Sirin > all mentioned. So Dimension haxx > Destructive haxx.

[@PhoenixBirb]

@@yuujiayato4389 Kiana never transcended any dimensions don't take that single line seriously and the whole transcend dimensions thing only applies to the cocoon

[@SirChanXD]

Wendy is literally the weakest of all Herrschers including Past Wind Herrschers XD (If we add GGZ Herrschers then that's a different story)

[@scarletrose8766]

Because cocolia dint let her peak Wendy is like early Raiden Mei when her powers hasn't fully peaked if you see what GGZ Wendy can do she was a menace but then again GGZ Herrschers were more powerful than Hi3rd Herrschers.

[@podong2845]

even Sa alone can delete Teyvat LOL

[@jakeblitzcoffie4859]

Duh. SA absorbed many bubble worlds for thousands of years and reset Phosphorus (planet at the edge of the Solarsystem) for years. SA is 1/10 as strong as Finality. SA is around the same level as the Aeons, in my opinion.

[@icefire2941]

Genshin’s god scaling is supposed to be on a city scale, and its “average character” scaling is on a scale similar to real life (their powers and weapons don’t allow them to destroy entire cities and worlds, but rather just kill people and monsters). If the people and/or gods in Teyvat were all as powerful as the beings from the other games, that wouldn’t fit the narrative Genshin is trying to tell, and the world they are trying to tell it in. And Archons just play a more active role in Genshin’s story than Aeons. If Aeons decided to just help or oppose the Trailblazer, the stories for each world would end very quickly. I hope this makes sense; for some reason I seem to not be able to put my thoughts into words very well.

[@rillzy9637]

We already know Archons are the weakest and an S rank valk could wipe the floor with them all

[@Lol_76-u2q]

Wendy>>>>Aeons All herrschers can manipulate concepts and beliefs And aeons are beliefs and concepts with physical form So by mere transcendence herrscher>>eon

[@averagehi3enjoyer]

Honestly i disagree with everyone here, i don't think aeon below Herrscher

[@TheNamelessKaslana]

Aeons aren't below herrschers. They are below the Cocoon of Finality/Herrscher of Finality, who is the creator of all Herrschers.

[@user-sb2cg8fe8k]

Bullshit​@@TheNamelessKaslana

[@user-sb2cg8fe8k]

​@@TheNamelessKaslanahofi kiana is nowhere near universal. The emanators of aeons are capable of destroying entire galaxies, while 99% of herrschers are continental level. Hofi kiana is strong. But it doesnt compare to the aeons. Just like how the first herscherr of the end wasnt even able to destroy the entire earth. Just the surface. Now i agree that hofi kiana is alot stronger. The entire honkai verse is still INSIDE A single universe. Her feats have never made her above planetary. If phantylia ( emanator of destruction ) can destroy a galaxy by herself Nanook the aoen is highly likely to be multiversal ( already confirmed to be universal +)

[@TheNamelessKaslana]

@@user-sb2cg8fe8k You don't need to feel so angry about it. It's just a game, lol Next time, please play Honkai Impact 3rd and read the story before giving statements that show you didn't read anything.

[@yuujiayato4389]

@@TheNamelessKaslana what can you do, Herrschers didn't even reach their own potentials, and much of like we want them to display their own true strengths can have consequences, like they can destroy Earth which is not goal.

[@jinra5732]

If you also include ggz which is also another old mihoyo's game and its still running, well well well... These 3 games won't stand a chance because of how broken ggz characters are

[@scarletrose8766]

If I recall GGz is only running on the Chinese server the global is already dead/closed so there's that. So it makes sense why people dont include it anymore cause not everyone has access to play the game and you will have to play it in Chinese if you wanna play it

[@jinra5732]

@@scarletrose8766 cn and jp server but yea no global servers

[@Doomsday007]

To be honest, in the defence of Genshin impact, I would not say that everything is so clear. After all, an All-devouring Narwhal that appeared in the Fontaine plot, which POTENTIALLY, by absorbing all water from the Primordial sea, could become large enough to destroy the planet, but again, only POTENTIALLY. The narwhal that we fought with Neuvillette, however, was the maximum large island - continent level, so it still sucks in terms of strength. But later we find out that the narwhal was only a pet of Skirk and her teacher. So they should probably be at least on planet level and then Celestia and Primordial one at least scale to Planetary+ level, maybe even to Star level. But again, this is all INACCURATE. Therefore, at the moment Emanators, Aeons, and especially Herrschers are much stronger anyway, because they have feats. But everything can change, because hoyoverse do not create their games in the same multiverse for nothing. Most likely, sooner or later, full-fledged crossovers between these 3 games will begin to be created, and in order for the characters to be somehow needed in the plot, their level of strength will be reduced to about one level. Otherwise, the plot will turn out with a bunch of plot holes and conventions, when, for example, for one of the main characters, the enemy simple will be invincible, and for others, the main characters too, he will be incredibly weak. That's all I wanted to say. Powers scalers, HI3 fans and HSR fans, please don't hit me if I was wrong, in your opinion, about something. Also sorry for bad English. It is not my native language.

[@jackinuzuki2890]

Primordial one can't be a star level since they fought the sovereign dragons and gotten a lethal injury, mostly continental at most since the teyvat world is big as a continent with different countries, archons can be large island level, sovereigns can be country+ level, Primordial one continental+ level since they terraformed teyvat, even though they were not from teyvat and were from beyond the stars. just pointing it out from the actual lore, that it took Primordial One to defeat the sovereign dragons 40 years.

[@Doomsday007]

@@jackinuzuki2890 Okay, let's say what you're saying is true. Then I have a question for you. What level is Nibelung? If the sovereigns are country+ level, then as their King, Nibelung should be continent level. in that case, how could the dragons lose to PO if they are on the same level. 4 shadows of PO should be weaker than him, so they should be country+ level, just like the Sovereigns. but there are 7 sovereigns and only 4 shadows. So according to your classification, dragons are stronger than PO, but in reality this is not the case. So yes, maybe PO is not star level, but at least planet level. Otherwise, he would have lost the war against the dragons due to a lack of number of shadows

[@jackinuzuki2890]

@@Doomsday007 ... PO defeated the sovereign dragons as I stated, so the dragons lost, while PO comes out alive, the only reason the fight lasted for 40 years is by the dragon King using forbidden knowledge and caused a war of vengeance against PO. The dragons lost their authority but they weakend PO in return. Also the teyvat world is just as big as a continent as a whole. it is not even as big as a planet.

[@Doomsday007]

Then what about Dark sea? this is a part of the planet where Teyvat is located and there were castles of fairies, creatures created by PO, therefore the power of PO once spread beyond one continent. Although now, due to injury, this is not the case. So at the moment I would put PO on continent+ level, but in the past it was definitely much stronger(planet level). and by the way, nowhere was it explicitly stated that PO was injured in the war with the dragons. In general, I think that at first the dragons fought for 40 years, they lost, after that Nibelung went off-planet and returned with the power of Abyss and then lost again. So anyone could hurt PO, Nibelung with the power of Abyss, 2nd or 3rd Descender, we don't know for sure. although I still doubt that it could be the 3rd Descender, I am more inclined to the 2nd Descender or Abyss Nibelung, which is definitely stronger than base Nibelung, most likely equal to PO without help of shades.

[@jackinuzuki2890]

Look, if PO is planetary, they could've ended the fight with the sovereign dragons faster, let us just say he is featless for now. But it was stated after the war of vengeance PO was injured, he is barely planetary since PO can'teven cause great destruction, maybe moon level at best. I could put PO around hsr cocolia's level, but nothing higher than that.

[@OmegaGaze]

Not sure about it but didn't Honkai destroyed all civilizations of the universe already. Kevin kind of mentioned it when he was in library place, this is i think when he was passing through those white doors/screen.

[@TheNamelessKaslana]

It destroyed so many civilization but the Cocoon of Finality was always resetting time to give the "new" civilization another chance. However some civilizations like the one on Mars had other ways to protect their people like creating bubble universes and sealing them with their own self to protect them from outside interference. There might be other civilizations who did similar things in other places as well which we don't know about yet

[@aze0012]

what the cocoon does back then is basically looking for a host to connect with. in order to do that, the normal standards of selection doesnt cut it for the cocoon, so what did it do? it hopped between universes and planets, looking for civilizations advanced enough to "maybe" qualify, then refined said civilization by giving it trials in the form of honkai eruptions. when the civilization inevitably falls to the honkai, it resets the civilization's time back to way back before it arrives, sometimes to before it became a civilization in the first place, and redoes the experiment, introducing different variables each time. basically picking a point in time for said civilization, and exploring all the possible futures of said civilization to find a host after countless retries and variables, it finally concludes that the civilizations does not, can not, and will never be able to produce the required host. at that point it will leave the civilization, not caring if it's dead, dying, or otherwise, and go find a new one. maybe in the same solar system, maybe the same galaxy, or universe, but if none is found, it just hops into different universes to find one

[@Sparkle367]

Herrscher of Finality

[@chelo136]

Who would win the dudes that cant even travel to the planets on their same solar system and can only shoot between that same solar system like Kiana , a coocoon that cant even embrace more than one planet at a time so he is not even powerfull to do 2 planets at a time or the guys that travel across galaxys , destroy solar systems when they sneeze , can shoot atacks across stars light years away, etc ... tell me you only play HI3 witouth tellineg me lol

[@aldyzero6676]

​@@chelo136tell me you blatantly believes HSR's Aeons unclear power-scalings and blatant exaggerations as evidently proven by the game's lores itself without telling me.

[@chelo136]

@@aldyzero6676 That they destroy planets in one second is a fact not an exageretion as it have happen multiple times and is recorded , even human corporations have bombs that have destroy 27 planets in one explosion while tetsing it in HSR and we see it happen in front of our eyes ingame not tall by anyone. That they can shoot atacks across the universe we have people that were present when it happen like Yukong being in a fleet while lan shoot an arror to the enemy fleet while he was far away in another part of the galaxy, so we have live witness seeing it happen. So while saying aeons could destroy a galaxy coul be an exageretion we do have actual facts that show the can destroy solar system very easily on one snap of a finger , how strong they actually are is unknown but in the physcal world they have shown power far beyond any other being in HSR,HI3 and genshin by far

[@chelo136]

@@aldyzero6676 That they destroy planets in one second is a fact not an exageretion as it have happen multiple times and is recorded , even human corporations have bombs that have destroy 27 planets in one explosion while tetsing it in HSR and we see it happen in front of our eyes ingame not tall by anyone. So while saying aeons could destroy a galaxy coul be an exageretion we do have actual facts that show the can destroy solar system very easily on one snap of a finger , how strong they actually are is unknown but in the physcal world they have shown power far beyond any other being in HSR,HI3 and genshin by far

[@chelo136]

​@@aldyzero6676 That they destroy planets in one second is a fact not an exageretion as it have happen multiple times and is recorded , even human corporations have bombs that have destroy 27 planets in one explosion while tetsing it in HSR and we see it happen in front of our eyes ingame not tall by anyone. Tha they can shoot atacks across solar systems is a fact, we have people alive that are friends of the mc like yukong taht were literally there when Lan atack the enemy fleet when he was on another part of the galaxy. So while saying aeons could destroy a galaxy coul be an exageretion we do have actual facts that show the can destroy solar system very easily on one snap of a finger , how strong they actually are is unknown but in the physcal world they have shown power far beyond any other being in HSR,HI3 and genshin by far

[@murilocruzfã_da_raiden_mei_Hl3]

A question I have about ggz's outer gods, are they canonical? I see some people saying they are not canonical

[@BluTru]

They're canon

[@jakeblitzcoffie4859]

They are most certainly canon. Some people just don't want them to be. 😂

[@TheOmniform]

bro doesnt know the outer hi3 scaling 🤫🤫🤫

[@PhoenixBirb]

Because it doesn't exist

[@Hinoshu_Suzuki]

​@@PhoenixBirb keep copium lil kid

[@TheOmniform]

​@@PhoenixBirbthere's so much of it lil bro 💀 even bianca by herself mogs anything every aeon has been stated to do thus far

[@PhoenixBirb]

@@TheOmniform Completely wrong

[@idontspeakjapanese6289]

@@PhoenixBirb It's pointless to argue with Hi3rd peeps bruhh especially when it comes to power scaling ....... Best to stay quiet and just let them rant.

[@shallot7697]

Imagine being as strong and scary as aeons only to get 1 shot by a tuna 😂

[@PhoenixBirb]

Isn't that backwards since HI3 kiana is a complete fodder

[@TheMakushimirian]

​@@PhoenixBirbcomplete fodder xD good one. I mean compleatly false but good one

[@PhoenixBirb]

@@TheMakushimirian How is it false when her best ingame feat is almost destroying a pseudo planet

[@TheMakushimirian]

@@PhoenixBirb she blasted Sa from the moon, traversing into a different space, using only 1% of her powers (which btw is stated to be enough to destroy a planet). She became the full authority of finality, which is known to basically, allbeit unintentionally be able to warp time and space simply cuz it wants to embrace humanity, but doesnt understand the concept to do so. She has the full power of all herschers combined (who we know were only manifested fragments of Finality) and these Herschers, particularly in PE caused continentalwide destruction from simply beeing born pretty much

[@PhoenixBirb]

@@TheMakushimirian Play that chapter again since it's never stated that she used 1% of her power anywhere and not even the previous era herrscher of finality managed to destroy earth

[@Griffon14]

Now bring yog sothoth the outer god from ggz :)

[@lucasthehonkaimanectric1690]

Tuna cuz she ez anything except ggz charater

[@cesargomez80]

so far ggz kiana cant beat gzz top power, but kiana is getting stronger, her power at the end of part 1 and the end of part 1.5 is a example of that.

[@jakeblitzcoffie4859]

Agreed. She stops at Ggz.

[@PhoenixBirb]

​@@jakeblitzcoffie4859Nah she doesn't even clear HSR

[@jakeblitzcoffie4859]

@PhoenixBirb Nah, she does. Finality has high complex multiversal feats from the manga, and Kiana transcends all dimensions of SoQ and Proper World, aka Imaginary Tree. Aeons are power houses in their own right, but they lack the same level of hax and authority that Kiana has.

[@ludicolo1106]

Aeon = god Archon/herscher/emanator = same league/level Its better to compard archon vs emanator vs herscher Since aeon is in another level and not character available

[@TheNamelessKaslana]

You know that literally all of them are called Gods in their own games, right? Especially, Herrschers which quite literally means God. Also, all of them were unplayable, until they eventually became playable. Herrscher of Finality didn't become playable until 7 years of the game running passed away. These aren't reasons to make them stronger than others.

[@Inktrailler]

Archon and herrscher ARE NOT on the same level.

[@jakeblitzcoffie4859]

Bruh. Archons are small island level at max power. Herrschers and Emanators range from planetary to Solarsystem+ levels in power. You did not just put Archons in the same league. Lmao😂

[@pizzavert4020]

Archons = Demi-gods Herrschers = Gods Aeons = Lovecraftians horrors

[@PhoenixBirb]

​@@pizzavert4020Herrschers aren't gods

[@fanipermanaputra7329]

I'll wait what VA will do on HSR & how strong He is now

[@shanedoesyoutube8001]

Dragon sovereigns over archons, the progenitor god hailing from beyond the stars over the dragons, Herrschers over the primordial one, the true will of Honkai (the GGZ one) over the Herrschers, Aeons over the Honkai Will, those leviathan sovereigns over the Aeons

[@zetracakep]

AEON> HERRESCHSERS>ARCHON. (AEON=cocon of finality)> primodial one. that the power level according to the lore, why Herrschers is higher that archon, because Herrschers can use multiple core and have multiple power, compared to archon who can only have one power, like exsample, kiana have 3 power as Herrschers of flamesion, and after she become Herrschers finality i guess if she want she can use all 12 Herrschers power so she is stronger than archon, cocon finality is equal to aeon, and for primodial one it maybe the weakest compared to both of them well you could say that primodial one is equal to Herrschers finality but below aeon and cocon of finality

[@Hinoshu_Suzuki]

Ggz > hi3 > hsr > gi

[@Hinoshu_Suzuki]

Aeons just star level

[@Hinoshu_Suzuki]

Just keep copium lil kid

[@jakeblitzcoffie4859]

HoTE/HoFi is just an avatar of CoF but is equal with it. This was confirmed in part 1.5. It also transcends all dimensions, as was also stated in part 1.5. This puts the CoF above HSR and GI. The only Verse powerful enough to beat it is GGZ Verse.

[@Vencaline]

Forgot the four shades

[@yl.f.t9438]

Seeing the power Acheron has being an emanator of nihility. In my opinion, the aeons are the strongest.

[@felipeutzig8166]

I dont now If This video is post before or after acheron's trailer. But If after acheron one emanador of nihilit destroi the hercher of end in she's teaser

[@prastagus3]

Does Genshin's Celestia goddess considered as a Primordial one or something else?

[@jakeblitzcoffie4859]

Either a shade of the PO or the Second Descender.

[@herrscherelysia5008]

The herrscher of finality takes the W

[@PhoenixBirb]

Which one?

[@RoccusTerminal]

then you had the original GGZ universe and everyone here is an ant

[@arykmaeniuw1023]

The game u talking about already delete so why you like talking about the game which no longer exists 😂

[@A_zure]

@@arykmaeniuw1023only the Asian servers are working

[@wolfisaiahboy]

It does exist still​@@arykmaeniuw1023

[@kevinbaumhoer7359]

​@@arykmaeniuw1023 you mean the game what is still running . The same game what just finished its Current storyline Following Kyushuu how Fought to stop the Apocalypse. GGZ is still running but only in CN and JP

[@arykmaeniuw1023]

@@kevinbaumhoer7359 so this is global server not CN or JP server

[@MoskusMoskiferus1611]

Herrscher of Domination will dominate

[@AstraLuna-o9i]

I’d say: 1.Aeon and Herscher of Finality 3. Kevin Kasalana 4. Herscher and FlameChasers 5. Archons

[@jakeblitzcoffie4859]

Nah. I'd say: 1. Kevin AoF 2. HoTE = Kiana HoFi 3. Stronger/true Herrschers 4. Aeons 5. Herrschers = Flamechasers 6. Common Herrschers 7. Archons

[@SystemBot]

no you're all wrong. 1. Otto 2. Otto 3. Otto 4. everyone else

[@AstraLuna-o9i]

@@SystemBotif this was intelligence only, then yes Otto would dominate.

[@AstraLuna-o9i]

@@jakeblitzcoffie4859I’d have to agree that Kevin with AoF was stronger than Aeons, and Kiana. Kevin VS Nanook would be a showdown I’d like to see.

[@PhoenixBirb]

​@@AstraLuna-o9iKevin is nowhere near a aeon

[@aloneft9300]

btw Aeon still can kill by honkai energy or weapon bcuz it's honkai in it's name

[@PhoenixBirb]

No?

[@aloneft9300]

@@PhoenixBirb

[@PhoenixBirb]

@@aloneft9300 Honkai isn't relevant in HSR despite the title of the game

[@aloneft9300]

nah man no one gonna escape the honkai @@PhoenixBirb

[@aloneft9300]

@@PhoenixBirb it will be in the future story who know

[@herrscherkiller3432]

I have to go to sleep right now, but expect a long comment on a more accurate ranking of them tomorrow. For now, just know that aeons are restricted to stay within their paths. Herrscher controll concepts, but are not bound by them in any way. That is why a herrscher is a lot stronger than an aeon.

[@yoriichitsugikuni3743]

Kiana will destroy them all no offence but she’s far superior to genshin’s archons and she’s far superior to the aeons as well

[@neoz1493]

I still think Aeon is superior to Kiana who doesn't even know there are other civilizations outside her solar system even though she has become a cocoan herself. After part 2 was released, I became more convinced that the Cocoan range was only limited to solar systems...

[@PhoenixBirb]

HI3 Kiana and the cocoon of finality are nothing to a aeon

[@ultimateendebrin3328]

I wish to know where Herrschers scale at in GGZ or Hg2.

[@TheNamelessKaslana]

All you need to know is that if I include them, they will make the video 2 seconds long 😂

[@dark_wolf260]

1 word: hyperversal

[@jakeblitzcoffie4859]

​@@dark_wolf260*Outerversal

[@PhoenixBirb]

​@@jakeblitzcoffie4859Not even close

[@PhoenixBirb]

​@@dark_wolf260High complex multiversal

[@oscarpalfi6731]

You shud jus emeneturs i sted of eone

[@Demoniccandidate]

What did genshin do😢?

[@StArShIpEnTeRpRiSe]

The Archons are on a level of weaker Herrschers. Kiana is literally a god compaired to Genshin Archons. In HI3rd there is one being equal to an Aeon and it's Sa. (Correction, there could be another one: AI Hyperion Lambda) But there are even more stronger entities out there in the Honkai-verse. You explain the Cocoon of Finality wrong, it not embrace a person (until Kiana) it embrace a civilization. When Kiana gave "herself" for the current civilization this samsara ended, and Kiana became basicly the God of Earth. Yet she still not the strongest entity, as she still much weaker than Sa. Even if she helped to knock out Sa into the Sea of Quanta.

[@yuujiayato4389]

obviously because Kiana didn't master her abilities and take a note that she is holding back because Earth is near that really bring only 1% and snipe her across the fabric of dimension through SOQ.

[@shanedoesyoutube8001]

"Kiana is literally a god compared to the Genshin archons" And that HoV face from the prologue of the game. A celestial. Do you need to reiterate the obvious???

[@StArShIpEnTeRpRiSe]

@@yuujiayato4389 Kiana not realy needed to hold back. Ofc she not used her full power, but she constantly weakening anyway, as she remove Honkai from Earth all Herrscher power disappear too. Fu Hua however gave it her all to weaken Sa to make it possible to Kiana to knock her out.

[@yuujiayato4389]

@@StArShIpEnTeRpRiSe not removing but sealing it in the moon and also she has now the full authority of all Honkai energy as well, so she can use it but need to hold back not to destroy the Earth,

[@StArShIpEnTeRpRiSe]

@@yuujiayato4389 She doesn't has authority over all Honkai energy, only the small portion which the Cocoon of Finality had. You underestimate the Honkai itself, that Cocoon just a small fraction of the whole. She only control Honkai on the Earth, has no authority outside of that.

[@NanaYuru]

Archons are basically just Emenators.

[@jakeblitzcoffie4859]

Not even close. Archons scale to large island level max. Emanators are anywhere from planetary to Solarsystem level. 😂

[@PhoenixBirb]

​@@jakeblitzcoffie4859And emanators are stronger than any herrscher in HI3