Why The Heavenly Principles Has Been Missing For 500 Years! Genshin Impact 4.7 Lore & Theory

[@TheGamerChronicles999]

So... Is Paimon going to remember and help us or try to kill us? 🙃

[@tristhekid]

I think she already knows but is waiting to see what the Traveler decides to do. If she is all seeing and all knowing, she’s seen what the sibling chose and is waiting to see what we do.

[@thomasgaming7656]

Ahh shit here we go again

[@dashhound8974]

You think Paimon is just a nobody? ​@thomasgaming7656

[@tastyfood2020]

Damn how food can killed us 🤨

[@soujiokita6062]

​@@tastyfood2020 food poisoning have been fatal to many people so not surprising

[@tristhekid]

Paimon is thee most sus character in the whole game. No one questions her, not even us. It’s like Hoyo want you to almost blur her out like background noise. Just a fun character, then BAM! she’s the primordial one

[@JoelK_123]

Honestly I am with you on that one. Paimon is a mystery but I had my suspicion but it could also be that she is one of the moon sisters. But being the primordial one is most likely going to be the theory on her background story.

[@Gnidel]

​@@JoelK_123She could be both moon sister and Primordial One. 3 Descenders (minus Traveler), 3 Moon Sisters.

[@Tomouryu]

Paimon, kyukoku shinkaaaaaa! LOL

[@kdashchronicles5204]

​@@GnidelThe Moon Sisters and The Primodial One are different entities lol

[@axcviea-us9sy]

She's the primordial one

[@sinfulmourning2780]

What I got from all this is that Nahida is lucky the Doctor didn't call her bluff, because nothing would happen if she destroyed her gnosis

[@GLoLChibs]

And confirmed that there was no reason for Focalors to trick the Heavenly Principles.

[@sinfulmourning2780]

@@GLoLChibs Straight up could've found a better way to give her authority back to Neuvillette and he could've fixed everything ages ago

[@GLoLChibs]

@sinfulmourning2780 Yep. He did say he could have prevented the prophecy entirely if he had his dragonhood. It all really boiled down to whether or not he forgave the people of Fontaine for their sin. No need for Furina to have been immortal for 500 years. Mondstadt and Sumeru did fine without an archon having a presence.

[@NemisCassander]

@@GLoLChibs Mm, not sure if I agree with either proposition. It's possible that there's a level of... disorder that would prompt the awakening of Celestia. Khaen'riah crossed it, while neither Nahida nor Focalors did.

[@GLoLChibs]

@sheenamaereyes8086 We don't know that since the thrones existed before the archons were named. Archons are just regular gods before they take the archon title, and an archon dying doesn't mean the throne is destroyed. Either she didn't need to create Furina at all and could've just stayed in the Oratrice similar to how Venti just up and disappears millenia at a time, or how Ei locked herself away after cutting ties and went against Celestia with the Vision Hunt Decree. Her needing to die or not doesn't take away from the fact there was no need to deceive the HP since they're asleep. She could've returned Neuvillette's authority to him ages ago as he said himself, he would have had the ability to prevent the prophecy entirely if he had his authority returned. The only reason Focalors waited so long was to make HP think the prophecy was fulfilled...which...turned out to be unnecessary.

[@sodaplease]

Dain makes his annual appearance. Fans(pre-quest completion): let's gooooo we will finally get more answers. Fans(post-quest completion): ❓📈

[@lelouchvibritannia1662]

Dainsleif will give us 2 answers and left us with a hundred more questions... I love this dude

[@Hackerkora]

Dainsleif never disappoints with the lore bombs

[@Wuhaboo]

The goat

[@iDxctor]

Gold being a sinner and a mage only makes the hexenzirkel group more strong each patch

[@davidjohnson8273]

Except the new book they just dropped says she's a bit crazy now

[@thecrystalliaguild]

@@davidjohnson8273 Oh what new book?

[@davidjohnson8273]

"The Little Witch and the Undying Fire" specifically volume 3 I think. @@thecrystalliaguild

[@lelepodproductions_]

Albedo is gonna get jumped one day bruh 💀

[@supernieva2419]

​@@lelepodproductions_It would be epic if Durin and Albedo team up to beat Gold.

[@TMY732]

The harbingers seeking for the gnoses from nation to nation, the hydro archons divine throne was destroyed etc and the heavenly principals are still sleeping… I’m really wondering what will happen to awaken the heavenly principles. It must me a reaaaally huge and unbelievable event.

[@geovanagama1]

The burning if the irmensul? Maybe?

[@freeeggs3811]

Revival of Khaenri'ah maybe

[@pinkraven7043]

I think Paimon is definitely in a weakened form, whether she is a Seelie or a Heavenly Princple. Or both. But it does make me wonder why no other character really questions what Paimon is. The only time I remember a character asking about Paimon is Mona. In one of her voice lines, Mona asks the Traveler if they knew Paimon's origins. Mona- the one who can scry futures, who already knew the Traveler wasn't from Teyvat, and who has good enough intuition to figure out who Scaramouche was at a glance- couldn't figure out anything about Paimon. Let me know if there's other characters who also question Paimon. Mona's the only one I remember because of how odd it was. Otherwise, it boggles my mind how not even the Archons question Paimon's existence. And it's not like she's hiding her appearance or anything. Itto straight up calls her a "flying lavender melon" and other characters acknowledge her floating. Is she unknowingly tampering with everyone else's consciousness? Or put some new information into Irminsul so all of Teyvat doesn't see her as strange? It's one if those things that I really hope the game addresses. Cause otherwise, it's a part of the game 's plot that bugs me.

[@kotarouinugami1745]

A lot of people ask questions about Paimon, but back off when there are no answers. Albedo, in particular, wondered if Paimon is actually part of the Traveler and his magic-using organ. While Heizou deduced that Paimon is not a Vision, but instead a Voice. Paimon disagreed. I am not sure if I understood him correctly, but it seems Fishl's Oz is such a Voice.

[@nicolas._.2294]

Albedo comes to me mind

[@akimotomiharu3415]

She’s definitely waiting for the right time to “awaken” it’s just a matter of WHEN! I’m genuinely so scared for the twins cuz this is going to spill absolute disaster!

[@SSG_Gogeta]

Ok I have to point this out. The Heavenly Principles and The Sustainer Of Heavenly Principles are two different entities. I think it’s important to point out that when Lumine asks the god who she is, the god says SUSTAINER of heavenly principles, she doesn’t say she is the heavenly principles herself. The meaning of sustainer means someone who upholds or supports something. So by name, The Sustainer of Heavenly Principles supports the actual HP but isn’t the actual HP herself. Also. Lumine says the HP has been(I think she said sleep or something since the cataclysm) but if that’s case how did she attack the twins? The Sustainer and The HP are different gods altogether. Nahida mentioned when The Heavenly Principles changed the fate of the twins. I think the Heavenly Principles ordered the Sustainer to go after the twins. I also think that the actual Heavenly Principles ordered the Sustainer to destroy Khaenri’ah instead of doing it himself/herself. The Heavenly Principles also waged war against the Seven Sovereigns and stole elemental authority to give to the Archons and that probably took away an indescribable amount of power for The Heavenly Principles to do something on that scale and then regarding the Archon War and the Cataclysm in Khaenri’ah, The HP probably still didn’t have the power to directly intervene which would also tie into why he/she sent the sustainer to Khaenri’ah in the first place. We barely scratched the surface on who The Heavenly Principles are let alone their powers but we have a small grasp of what The Sustainer of Heavenly Principles are capable of because those dark swarms of red cubes that she used against the twins were the same ones that were seen when Khaenri’ah met its unfortunate end which leads me to believe that it was in fact The Sustainer of Heavenly Principles who attacked Khaenri’ah because in the time between its destruction and the twins getting attacked by her, The Heavenly Principles would’ve still been sleep and at this point The Heavenly Principles has been asleep for way longer than 500 years because we don’t know how much time has passed since the destruction of Khaenri’ah

[@davidjohnson8273]

Nahida says we met the HP "entity" that she refers to. So the HP = SHP

[@SSG_Gogeta]

@@davidjohnson8273 that still doesn’t make sense because the sustainer is literally classified as an unknown god but refers to herself as the sustainer of heavenly principles. Sustainer means upholding or supporting something and she did say entity and but she was referring specifically towards the hp. If the HP was the SHP, why would she introduce herself as the sustainer and not the actual HP? It’s because The Sustainer Of Heavenly Principles is a different god altogether

[@davidjohnson8273]

It might not make much sense but this isn't really a theory. Just saying that Nahida called the SHP "HP". Who else can Nahida be referring to? An entity we met and changed our fate? An entity that Nahida knows we remember presumably because we just told her the story of how we arrived in Teyvat. There's only one entity in that story. @@SSG_Gogeta

[@SmithyPL]

​@@SSG_Gogetaone book in the game talks about Sustainer, Creator and Destroyer

[@xChaosFlower]

I don't think I've ever heard of anyone referring to the SHP and HP as the same thing. I thought it was obvious that they aren't the same being?

[@nugrohopriatmojo1290]

This is why i love genshin story even i've been stop playing since 2.7(device issue), the story,the lore is so complex in this game and really interesting to find since sometime the biggest lore come from something that really unpredictable

[@cyno4055]

Jester might be one of the sinners

[@SD69_]

Some extra info to back up claims Vedrfolnir (Dain's brother) could Pierro with that new context there are now new dots to connect -Visually, Dain and Pierro wears that half mask that cover their face (perhaps a birthmark that comes from their powers?) -Pierro and Abyss sibling stayed together when MC is asleep, meaning they were acquainted already a long time ago and probably plotted something at that time - (this is mere personal thoughts) but Vedrfolnir is coded for "The Visionary" , by that is a man that could see "the big picture/long game" and I believe the 7 gnosis (as the remain of a descender) and loom of fate (which could in theory change the phyiscal world with a will that could rival the world[Descender]) would come together at some point - (this is mere personal thoughts) Because the king did not heed the Royal mage(Pierro) word, he took matter to his own hands? joining hands with the other sinners?

[@lowkeychains]

Everyone keeps saying capitano is the most powerful but we all know 🙏it's the silent guy himself. His just like venti act casual nd mask there true identity

[@daffafatih8669]

Ummm no, According to the Pale Flame artifact, he is weak asf, even Khaenriah's sages don't consider his opinion important, and he fights to save Khaenriah, of course these two points contradict Dain's description of the 5 Sinners which is they are the most influential people and they are didnt participate defending their own country

[@AlexisNess-mn4zw]

@@daffafatih8669 It doesnt say he is weak asf just weaker than the 6 of them

[@AlexisNess-mn4zw]

He isnt

[@WayneZvidza-qh2dp]

Since the traveller lost their memories of their conversation doesn't that mean the loom of fate is stronger than irmunsul

[@LaSignorasfav]

They lost their memories because the realm in which they had the conversation got wiped out of existence Like how when you delete a file with pictures, when the file goes, even the pictures/memories inside goes along with it

[@MinCali]

thing is, I'm really confused of that... did we forget the entire thing? alongside our conversation with caribert? or just the one we had with lumine?

[@Pre4xes_]

​@@MinCaliwe remember talking with caribert but not lumine

[@montagegamerlive3604]

​@@LaSignorasfav We still remember talking with Caribert bro. We just forgot about lumine conversation. Or is it because she's not real or anything?

[@TheSquareTiger]

@@MinCali The conversation with Caribert is the only thing we remember, the reunion is what is wiped out of our memory, saw a video by catwithbluehat and they said the scene where Lumine walks up to Dain and she holds out her sword but it glows different to what we saw in the We Will Be Reunited quest and apparently in that video, we probs went to another memory or saw like the past memory between Dain and Lumine hence why we never saw the cutscene since whatever the conversation and fight they had will be revealed later on maybe in Natlan or Snezhnaya

[@WhiteKoneko]

Celestian big 5: 😪😴 takes longest nap in history. *catalysm big boom* WHO DARES AWAKEN US!?

[@Volume_Halome]

Heavenly Principles will soon awaken. Loom of Fate is completed. Tsaritsa and Fatui need one final gnosis to enact their rebellion. Shits going down in Natlan.

[@otakuwhat_]

I’ve had this theory that celestia sent paimon down, without memories to guide and help the traveler, and be a companion to them, because the hp themselves are injured and knew they’d be put to sleep powerless to intervene in the worlds events. Because they know only the traveler can be the one to save the world in the end. Like I feel like Paimon was created to be the travelers guide, her mind was wiped about her past, but she was given knowledge about Teyvat to help her role as guide.

[@DreamCinematicStudios]

Paimon also seems to not understand humans properly - i mean she sometimes says some really unappropriate things (which arent meant to cause harm) for example like she asked Navia about her mother event though she knew that Navia never met her mom or the way she was mocking Furina in her story quest even though she was already suffering long enough. Another thing is that Paimon helps the Traveler to understand Tayvats language but how does she even understand the Traveler? He isnt from Teyvat and he found Paimon randomly while fishing, isnt it a huge coincidence that she understands his language? Also its kinda wired that she was even near the beach. I mean beside from ocean it was nothing there? If she was just looking for food, why exactly the ocean and not a river or lake. It would only make sense if she was exactly waiting for the Traveler's arrival. Also: Paimon knew about the statue of the seven and stated that only few poeple were able to recieve its blessings. But as far I know - only outlanders recieve such blessings. In the nations everyone seemed to be surprized that such thing was even possible. Only the Archons didnt seemed surprized much. So how did Paimon know about that? She is just talking about food and eats a LOT. (which on its own isnt a big deal). But if u think about it: If you are young you always have more hunger as when you are an adult. Thats because we need energy to grow. What if Paimon is always that hungry because she is still weak and needs to gain strengh? Another point is, she acts as our Travel guide and seems to know the one or another thing about the nations but how does she know, if she seem to have never been in any of those nations herself, if she would - anyone would sure have recognized her already by her unique looking (that is also my question about the sibling btw)? I think all those things are indicators of her beeing the primodial one. But what really made me think is: When Caribert took us into his conciousness he only took us in and not Paimon. Although we both had been in that Dream of that girl. If he woudnt know about Paimon beeing the Primodial One why would he only took to us in and not Paimon too? I mean after all he was telling us about the Leylines and the Loom of Fate - a critical information about the Abyss. One that isnt meant for the ears of Celestria. All i've said is based on the information i remember, if anything said is proved wrong, please feel free to correct me. :D

[@WhiteKoneko]

Honestly Celestia are not true enemy. It's abyss itself. Do I condone the Celestians' crimes? No. Do I understand them? As much as we're able to do so at present. At first we thought the fatui evil(wrong) now Celestia getting called evil(we only know opposing side pov). In short terms, it's complicated we have pieces still missing on this chessboard.

[@ankitjadhav6775]

Yes abyss is definitely it

[@WhiteKoneko]

@@ankitjadhav6775 Abyss been cause of everything. It like a poison honey. A lot like the cursed Rings of Power in LoTR. We desperately need answers from the Celestians' big 5.

[@ankitjadhav6775]

@@WhiteKoneko true, The Fact that So many people, Nibelung ,5 Sinners Became Corrupted and Grew Arrogant proves it, I just wanna know if Whether There will be an Entire New Faction For abyss which is situated Outside Teyvat ,if there are Then They may Pose as Genshins Final Antagonists.

[@WhiteKoneko]

@@ankitjadhav6775 I'm wondering same. For now this seems be 5 Sinners. One of the names is just one of many names for Odin(just like Irmin is one such name). Surtogi = giant burns world with fiery sword. Dainslief big brother = bird sits between yggdrasil eagle's eyes and later killed by Gods. Rerir = son of a murdered king/hero that gets revenge for his father and was Seigfried's kin. Rhinedottir = nymph who's gold was stolen make the cursed ring.

[@Wuhaboo]

Ikrrr

[@nrnayem5028]

4:09 multiple archon died yet these 5 sinners didnt even participated in that war....so imagine they did then i believe they could have been able to defeat the heavenly principle

[@NemisCassander]

To be fair... do we have any evidence other than Dainsleif's word that they didn't participate?

[@chimk1nb055]

Wait, I thought Elynas, Durin, and Riftwolves were Rhinedottir's doing in the Cataclysm? The involvement of the other sinners are still vague though. Or am I misinterpreting this comment?

[@Soshiaircon91]

Paimon you better not eat the whole world up in a surprise endgame twist and betrayal.

[@radiantradish4943]

Here is my problem with the paimon = heavenly principles thing... If the heavenly principles = 1st descender, why did paimon lose her memories of rukkhadevata when she was wiped from irminsul? It is stated that descenders are not affected by irminsul changes, so this would kind of disprove that theory?

[@NemisCassander]

Do we know why the Sibling exists within Irminsul?

[@radiantradish4943]

@@NemisCassander Technically no? Unless saying that the sibling ISNT a descender counts.

[@starlight14673]

YEAH thats the thing but she could be acting? but i believe s\my emergency food isnt evil infact she is good

[@greendevil5176]

@@NemisCassanderour sibling is not qualified to be a descender. They cannot rival the will of the world. And so this whole theory of paimon being the first descender is false now.

[@kotarouinugami1745]

It is possible that Paimon is diminished to the point where she is affected by Irminsul. Or that she is affected by Irminsul for some more arcane reason.

[@crossflux971]

I think Paimons connection to celestia is all but confirmed. I think shes a sleeper agent. She's meant to keep the Traveler on the path SHE wants. Note how upset she gets whenever she's separated from the Travler. She needs to make sure they don't discover something they shouldn't.

[@snehamahmud8943]

What if paimon is someone who helped the heavenly principals. You like how they said that the "second who came"/ 2nd decender helped the primordial one make the gnosis I know its wild lol

[@justadragonnamemarcus1751]

I don't think Paimon is unknown god Paimon is more likely one of the 3 moon sisters who were watching teyvat for so long One of them is died and her corpse shines over the tevyat ( also in pre cbt versions in night loading menu she sings ) Other 2 is missing but we know one is silver moon ( who is speculated to be Paimon ) and other crimson red moon

[@di8085]

The Paimon theory always make me think is gonna be wrong at the end, because Paimon basically is just a mascot of the game just like Ai-Chan in Honkai, Paimon is part of Genshin core system, even when Paimon end up have adult version like Ai-chan, still Paimon isn't gonna become evil character, villain or anything like that because she is Logo character, or at least will end up similar like Ai-chan Chrono Navi story

[@soujiokita6062]

Paimon being heavenly principle doesn't make her necessarily evil... We don't even know truly if they're really evil or its only the painted image of them..in enkanomiya's book. the earliest civilization made by heavenly principle was said to be utopia and the heavenly principle themself was considered benevolent...

[@Gnidel]

Evil Paimon would require rewriting majority of the quests in the game to even bigger extent than deleting Rukkhadevata.

[@starlight14673]

i dont think she will be evil but she could primo god as i mean we dont know why primo did that and from the major story i also dont kinda fully consider hp evil and she could be the queen of seelies or moon goddess? or she could be istaroth or god of protection?? like hoyo has blatantly stated in her voice lines she is gonna protect traveller i am sure she could also be primo god i hope hoyo doesnt do the splitting of p.o into good paimon and bad shp

[@Minjoie]

what i think is, we don't know who the evil actually is lol, heavenly principle seems like "neutral rules" who can do anything to protect teyvat.

[@cascade353]

I just feel like if Paimon will be revealed to be the Primordial One or the Sustainer, everyone won’t be surprised, and I bet Hoyoverse won’t go on that route.

[@thatonexfallenangel7810]

What if Pierro is Vedrfolnir? It just occurred to me, his ranking within the Fatui, his age, his former status as a royal mage of Khanri'ah, the likelihood of him knowing Dainsleif. Not to mention his voice lines about bringing back "the old world" (basically all of them). Aside from that, we know for a fact that "Pierro" isn't his real name, and he's familiar with the Abyss given the missions he delegates and does there occasionally.

[@Katara-kr9xg]

Unlikely considering he was not a worthy enough sage to make a difference I dont see it

[@jam6079]

I might be wrong but I thought pierro was just a sage in khanriah

[@Ishakai_]

I dont think so we already heard vedrfolnir voice from that voice hes probably closer to dain's age and he is his older brother

[@Angelofdeth2947]

The visionary is lumines brother think ✨🌙 or lumine depends who u pick ofc

[@thatonexfallenangel7810]

@@jam6079 Pierro was a sage, but he was also a royal mage. You can be a sage and a mage at once.

[@davidjohnson8273]

Well a lot of this is years old; I'd avoid the HI3 stuff, and the Paimon stuff. If she really was plot relevant, she has more chance of being the 3rd Descender than the SHP. Concentrate on what is new with 4.7 rather than merely confirming what we've known for a year or more. That is to say the 2nd throne / Abyss stuff. Celestia is already pretty well known. 11:21 we're told the Sinners did NOT fight for Khaenri'ah. Kinda Dain's whole deal is that they were all traitors. I really doubt they secretly fought and he didn't know about it.

[@ChikyuuKun]

It's quite parallel to Honkai Impact when the "Herrscher of Finality" will soon awaken and start another cycle by destroying the world and resetting it. But it turns out HoFin (Kiana) did not destroy humanity and instead is helping humanity to "become one" with Honkai all due to Elysia's sacrifice.

[@starlight14673]

u know i think something like this may happen in GI

[@nuguya-2]

0:13 Gold Rhinedottir looking good. After becoming the Loom of Fate I guess she became a "God" (That's why every Sinner is related to Norse Mythology) The Heavenly Principles however is bad news. Because she destroyed her old kingdom the Crimson Dynasty. She is the corrupted FIRST HEIR from the Light Realm. (Racher of Solnari means Avenger of Solnari. Solnari is most likely a kingdom in the Light Realm) In conclusion we got the Sinners who is trying to save this world, while the First Heir is asleep. (Creator of this World), while her brother the Second Heir is (The Sinner Crystal we saw who told the Traveler to ascend. Probably to take over the First Heir's role as the Heavenly Principles, which will most likely trap us in Teyvat.)

[@OrangeBanana836]

watch hoyo make paimon just some random special species just to throw everyone off lol

[@chrisredwolf3130]

what if it just like Star Rail’s Eons. the Sustainer = Order Paimon = Harmony One must get rid of the other with the help of a Trailblazer of the Celestial Atlas. Paimon & the Traveler / Harmony & the Trailblazer. This would also go along with the theory by the content creator Wei, who made the theory that Aether & Akivili the Trailblazer are the same person. Or maybe Teyvat is a upside down world like the Melisuises say. Where demons ( the Archons ) are seen as angels and angels ( creatures of the Abyss ) are seen as demons.

[@GanjaCree]

I theorize that Dottore will use Arlecchino’s Crimson Blood Fire to burn Irminsul since her powers can be used to wipe and burn memories.

[@loredincadavos8588]

Maybe your right, Paimon is there to guide the Traveller of where he supposed to travel or not go to because in the game there are places that if you go Paimon will say "Let's explore this place later" then if you try to go there you will be teleported back. It is like she is guiding the Traveller so that the Traveller won't become an Enemy of Celestia or Heavenly Principles. But I was thinking Dainslef is trying to make the another sibling be corrupted or see if they will be corrupted because he always makes a way for them to see all the things like with Cariber or the Loom of Fate. Unlike Paimon, when Traveller was on the dream of Cariber she was busy waking the Traveller.

[@SunnyDay641]

Has no one noticed that the same cubes that appeared with the sustainer of heavenly principles also appears in likeness to the cubes that appeared in Arlecchino’s assassination of Crucibena? Right as she’s summoning her flames, cubes of flames appear warping the bricks. Arlecchino’s power is linked to the Crimson Moon dynasty. I feel as if their power source originated with the sustainer, but was morphed in some way. Whatever punishment khanriah received, it had it coming for a long while.

[@777dreamresort]

yup im almost 100% paimon is the primordial one as the japanese va of her hinted this by herself saying that she'd be pretty curious about paimons identity and that the final voicelines are already recorded and she promised it will be REALLLLYYYY awesome XD due to her amazing voice acting paimon legit has become 1 of my most fav characters of the game so im looking foward for more celestia lore yessir 💯💯

[@elijahdubois7902]

Bro, Endgame ( Final Battle) is going to be insane!

[@loredincadavos8588]

I also think maybe Celestia and Heavenly Principles is defending the world from the monster that appears and The Khaenri'ah happens to be the nation where all the Descenders resides. So I think when Celestia doesn't have much power to defend against the monster that descends the only thing they can do is make the damage minimal by sending some of the monster into Khaenri'ah where the Descenders are. Or they send it there so it will be some sort of punishment for them also maybe because they made or disobey rules. Maybe in Teyvat High Technology is a No No but Khaenri'ah still build it.

[@grvvv]

skirk looked scary strong... i mean we literally had the strongest character beside us that is on our side and whos not shady.. (somehow hes strongest as a playable character too) .. but it felt like the sovereign was also shook by her overwhelming presence. imagine how strong skirk's master would be along with all other sinners. we have dain along with neuvelette, and stronger archons like zhongli, and tsaritsa, freakish humans like varka and capitano, sus ones like venti and piamon, super mage alice.. then theres another faction: the abyss order in which abyss sibling is definitely very strong. then theres heavenly principles.. and the last two really game changing characters are the traveller, and that unknown god. if an all out war happens some cataclysm.. then it would be too much to contain looking at these characters and multiple stories jotting down to one. i am glad that i came across genshin advertisement when it was just released, and i simply downloaded bcuz of its open world scenary anime style rpg. never thought it would turn out like this.. 😂

[@Stormcrosser]

I come to that conclusion that paimon is the Sustainer and its about to awake sometime

[@thelostyaksha]

2:30 you don't need to rhink about it, Neuvillette already told us that the Heavenly principles is heavily injured during the war of vengeance.

[@Katara-kr9xg]

War of vengeance was way before the cataclysm 500 years ago tho 2 different wars

[@thelostyaksha]

@@Katara-kr9xg that's correct. But what does it has to do with what I said ? 🤔

[@Anak_Ayam0320]

there is a 2000+ year gap bro​@@thelostyaksha

[@thelostyaksha]

@@Anak_Ayam0320 what gap ?

[@thelostyaksha]

@@Anak_Ayam0320 I'm not sure what gap you're talking about, but the war that Neuvillette talks about is very very old. Even before archon wars which ended 2600 years ago

[@francisdejando4888]

All roads lead to paimon

[@imoud47]

if all Honkai games & Genshin are connected in one multiverse and this multiverse has a big story that you have to play all games to know it i will definitely play them all xD this is getting exciting

[@SofiaStefou1214]

Have you ever thought that heavenly principles might be the primordial one? According to enkanomiya books, we dont know who actually won the battle and in the books, i think, it mentions that primordial one was victorious. Also there were some references about primordial and second who came in the Fontaine archon quest, and im super curious about it in general. I feel that primordial fought second who came, won but was very injured. What do you guys think?? If anyone has any references of it from the books, please tell me 🙏

[@bawilove3422]

My name for now once theorized that Dain is the 3rd descender and I think it might be possible. When I think about it, Dain could be on the same power level as his brother the sinner, or the foul. I think Dain wants the loom of fate to succeed, he is not dumb or weak, because our twin said he didn't fight back. Our twin is being used by someone and I won't be surprised if it is Dain. Because it was way too easy for her to win that fight.

[@ARookia]

They never said the fight was easy. It was off screen. The abyss twin only said they don’t think they could have defeated dainsleif if he didn’t have any hesitations in killing them.

[@bawilove3422]

@ARookia yes I get that, but why did he hesitate.. if the twins have similar abilities, we know they aren't as strong as the 5 sinner. Dainsleif is playing us and our twin. I don't trust that man.

[@ARookia]

@@bawilove3422 I am just saying u are overextending by thinking the fight was “easy” with no evidence of it being the case. When u say u theorize that dain wants the loom of fate to succeed, you give as evidence that “dain did not fight back” and that “the abyss twin easily won the fight.” These points are factually incorrect as the abyss twin has noted that it was a difficult fight during their convo. Whether dain actually is playing the twins or not, 🤷‍♂️. Time will tell. It’d certainly be interesting plot wise.

[@BlairAnsor]

The third descender is dead, that’s very clear. He’s just a human with powers beyond this world

[@LilCharlemagne]

This reminded me of Alhaitham story quest, where someone purposely erased their memories just to bring Alhaitham down.

[@alexanderericson8628]

There are so much more going on. Surtalogi created the prophecy in Fontaine or at least put the tablets there that was what Dainsleif told us in this quest. This means that Surtalogi was behind Neuvilette regaining his power, not Focalors please note that the person that noticed this was PAIMON and in her usual sus voice she reminded the traveller during the quest of it. And this matters because it means the SInners wants the dragon sovereigns to regain their power. It also means Dainsleif KNEW Surtalogi was behind while we were in Fontaine and did not say anything to us. It may be that he thinks the archons are beneath him in importance. Still it would have been nice to know, it proves that Dainsleif is not necessarily our friend.

[@marcusbullock2753]

What if the third descender is actually are dead sibling but has been rewritten to act like they’re part of Teyvat but that’s not actually true they just got wished there from the kahnreians

[@suryapratap9913]

imagine pierro being the one who killed Electro Archon

[@starlight14673]

wasnt pierro a mage during cataclysm how could he killed makoto? or are u talking abt ei gosh its so confusing if ppl say only electro archon

[@montagegamerlive3604]

​@@starlight14673he's referring to makoto because Raiden came when makoto was dead. But during fight she was the electro Archon. So he's not completely wrong

[@kingmike1831]

Or simply dain brother manipulated the jester to join the fatui. Made carribear father create the abyss. (Stage 1) The abyss will create new L.L and the fatui will burn the memory the tree. Then they will commence the plan ( I don’t know how to pronounce it) Also I think that “MAYBE” might be the Mc of hi3

[@DarkGaming-lf2ku]

Wait i just thought of something which i can think what if the heavenly principle is healing her real body and paimon is just her but lil one watching all of our progress and knowing what she can do when she awakes

[@chito2701]

so the PAIMON theory is right all along and they called me a madman

[@Loopy2000]

I don't think celestia was in the wrong for destroying Khaenri'ah but I do think it was wrong to steal teyvat from the dragons.

[@Tomouryu]

Houston we have a problem. If Urminsel burns, what’ll happen to Nahida?

[@geovanagama1]

Same question, just hope she doesn't die (she may actually die 😢)

[@mellowsagre1424]

She might be resurrected as rukkhadevata? Ig

[@lelepodproductions_]

If irminsul burns all playable charact3rs are dead bro 😭

[@mellowsagre1424]

@@lelepodproductions_ who knows what dottore is planning all this time

[@Tomouryu]

@@mellowsagre1424 yeah she does a super shinka, grows taller and gets boobs … 🤔 I dunno. I’ll need some time to process that.

[@Tyler-ko8dp]

3:18 wait how did the visionary create the abyss with Caribet when the abyss was supposedly created all those years ago and was part of the lore connecting the moon sisters??? (or from what I've heard in other videos)

[@Mr.Escamilla124]

When I first started playing I didn’t think it’d be as interesting as it is…. now I’ve been playing non stop 😭…..

[@JPS13Laptop]

I don't think they will destroy irminsul, as doing though would also destroy Teyvat.

[@SD69_]

Thank you for bring up the idea of Genshin being connected to the bigger hoyoverse, I highly doubt that Hoyo will actually fully connect all Hoyo games together despite them all being connected through small easter eggs, Although I can't really give any proof to my claims, I actually do like the idea of MC traveler as akivili from HSR and Genshin Impact in Chinese translation is Original God, which could be interpreted as a prequel to HSR/all other Hoyo games? and from a logical standpoint, Genshin would not end after the teyvat chapter and we learnt the truth of this world and go to some other planet. idk, I might be complely wrong but its just something to think about, i guess.

[@AloyImpact]

They will connect them. Example Welt Joyce being the same Welt from Honkai Impact 3rd.

[@starlight14673]

true me too i really like the idea i do feel at the end this game might partially connect

[@Pre4xes_]

They are in the same universe And in the imaginary tree

[@kaedeharakazuha0_0]

Probably, Paimon is the key to awaken the heavenly principles. If she will remember what she is or who she really is.

[@williamschwebler8610]

If the 6 (including Dain) were supposed to stand up to the Heavenly Principles during the destruction of Khaenriah and DIDNT do a thing why do they care now?

[@D4RTHR04CH]

im not sure where i heard this and when, but i remember someone mentioning that all the archons have demon names (such as venti barbatos ei baal and zhongli morak) except one which is the tsaritsa who is named after an angel. i tried researching but found nothing, nothing related to a demon neither an angel so im not sure.

[@diegoquintana4051]

the sinners dont create the abyss,they took power from the abyss.

[@mx330gaming8]

In the end, we should choose between Paimon or our Sibling

[@Wuhaboo]

Now.. One question that can't leave my brain... How did the cryo archon knew that the heavenly principles were asleep? What is the cryo dragon ??

[@munchielitten5961]

Maybe paimon is taking a new step on things and want to save her homeland andnthe ppl that she wanted to keep safe even over the time of generations

[@fellownameless]

Sustainer is taking a nap and someone needs to kiss her. Any volunteers?

[@thelostyaksha]

6:17 Venti is not from celestia. We know Venti's origin. He is heavenly Principles guide in teyvat.

[@BlueDaisy33]

?? All we know is that he is a wind spirit and a part of the thousand winds. We have no clue if he’s a guide

[@seonsunnysunshine]

That’s just a “leak.” Don’t talk as if it’s confirmed

[@thelostyaksha]

@@seonsunnysunshine a leak is better than a guess. Don't you think?

[@NoahWeeden]

It would be wild if the traveler ends up siding with celestia

[@munchielitten5961]

For a fun thought i think paimon is gonna let the sustainer eat her for full power and save everyone

[@kevingame3198]

Aether: 2 years ago the abyss order invaded teyvat. We stopped them. I stopped them. But the fatui sized the opportunity, stepping into the power vacuum, quickly growing in size and influence to the brink of world domination. Fatui took us all by surprise… even me… they call me aether…And I’m the only one who knows what’s coming. Fatui are not the real threat to our world. The most powerful alien - the alpha abyss - still lives. It showed me a glimpse of the future… It knows what drives me. What I believe that being a good soldier comes down to one thing to one single question what are you prepared to scarafice. When me and sister came to teyvat I scarafice everything to leave this world and my own flesh and blood held me back I scarafice that too replaced it like a spare part. Victory costs everytime you pay a little more. I saw a glimpse of what’s coming.. and there was nothing left of me to stop it. When the greatest combat machine fails… what do we do then what do I do?

[@Angelofdeth2947]

Does lumine still remember. About the heavenly principals going to waking up sooner or later I hope she remembers 😢💔

[@drmblu]

Let's say paimon is sustainer of the heavenly principles, it doesn't seem right to me that she'd lose her memory, irminsul was created by celestia and i don't think the 5 could really manipulate celestia's memories? also, just because they are the heavenly principles it doesn't mean they are irminsul. I can create something without being part of it. Okay, the sinners have a power that is otherwordly. who says celestia doesn't have it, can't access it or can't control it, if they are protecting teyvat from the corruption then they must hold power that counter it. also that goddess is the sustainer of the heavenly principles so she's part of it not all of it. How could they be asleep though and leave their precious teyvat unattended, it can be targeted and harmed from outside. therefore i think this "not awakened" state is too blurry for me to grasp something is missing. Archons themselves couldn't die in the cataclysm how can celestia be weakened and disappear. There is another thing, if celestia isn't the real bad guy and they saved the world from the cataclysm then it means the archons know this since they participated and are connected to celestia. now, if they know celestia is a good guy, why give away their gnosis and implicitly participate in the fatui's plan? therefore this theory of celestia being good is foggy too. unless the real enemy isn't celestia but another thing? but it can't explain why everyone wants to destory the heavenly principles.

[@rinkudamanrd]

I think paimon is more likely to be a shade because why would the heavenly principles go out on the battlefield if they're weakened? Even if no one knows them, paimon had so many opportunities to die in the lore that it'd be stupid. I think it makes more sense if she's a shade, one shade (space) yeeted traveler powers and the other (I think paimon might be time) monitors the traveler.

[@munchielitten5961]

She pulled a rukkaevata and nabu but now she cant wait since lumine messed up still i think that the fatui are not after the heavenly principles i think they are after the abyss order cuz the tsuritsa is stronger through war so she gets the gnosis and gains that power to change the loom of fate and since our sibling is trying to change things “you must want to see the world burn too since you can bare my cold “ lumine) but behold the world shall burn no more” tsuritsa or asmoday is talking here so it could be that the visions givin are to save those for a fight and or a tie to celestia so that if they win this next war and put an end to it all then they can fix all this damage a the “sustainer of laws rules princeaples amd reality on teyvat as we know and on top if that fighting off the destruction that could be threating to destray all that live but after seeing everything in honkai sr im sure its over but that over could mean that lumine was supposed to be this way and shes the expelled evil from asmoday and aether is her good that was split from lumine and by that they are the same person and siblings or thats what they call eachother tho lumine could have done the right thing had she not listen to dain sob story also could the mean lumin is asmodays corruption!?!?! Like rukka being corrupted and made nahida so then paimon and aether is whats left of asmoday since her current form is fading dieing passing away also paimons hair is very similar to asmodays no questions there just look carefully and youll see it she screams reincarnation of asmoday the unknown god and at the same time shes not the unkown god shes a pure left over “branch” and aether is the powers like paimon being the reality space time (istoroth) govoner and keeper and wish maker of teyvats and its laws also the gard of the the three moon sisters i still believe nabu and rukka were two of three moon sisters and nabu was cast out of celetisa aka heaven so maybe genshin (new genisis ) will be the end when the battle against the honkai finally takes place many deaths will happen in teyvat the friends and families even the archons there may be a chance of survival to but thats only if they side with the tsuritsa not that she may not die too but with my guesses im going with the end of this world and a new one being born thise who had connectioned to celestia or were and didnt step away or gained a vision are going to be in the new world also that space the the sweigween trailer showed that a similar rip in space id say was on left is honkai and right was genshin andnthat rip was the star shape we see alot in genshin its possible that the damg is soon incroching in to genshin and will wipe the place out on a world wide scale this could be the loom of fate that was made in honkai thats deletions spaces like what lumine spoke of in cariberts plain of consciousness paimon is restoring her powers through the seven with each nation we visit and the last one is sneyzhya which i think we well run over to that place and side with the cryo archon to bring the heavenly principles into action fully that being paimon who will take over the new side of being the shade a pheonix type birth cycle

[@Rudy-hq9rx]

Calling it now, The Abyss and/or The Fatui are going to underestimate their abilites and one of the factions is going to be destroyed when Celestia re-awakens

[@fabianfruhauf5441]

Nice theorys but wouldnt dainsleif or dottore notice that paimon is special. Dainsleif probably saw them in kaenriah

[@AloyImpact]

But wasn’t the PO in that book that shouldn’t not be named injured after the war of vengeance?

[@kentfortz2099]

Celestia put rules in teyvat to follow and live peacefully and one will overseer the place which is (heavenly principles) if things got worst(destruction or touching the power of the abyss) no matter what they cant meddle on teyvat or it will have consequence on HP that we dont know Also the overseer is not bound to the rule that is been given on teyvat they are exception(also the character not originally from the teyvat) HP have only one rule dont interfere on teyvat Before the catastrophy 500years ago the humanity tap to the power of the abyss(5 sinner) in order to prevent the further destruction heavenly principle stop the twin from going out teyvat to ask for help(not directly ask cause they cant tamper on teyvat) She put them on different time one is in the present(500 years ago) and the other is in the future(the present) ( To summarize in the end HP interfere by destroying the place (which quite dumb)) to prevent more chaos and comitted taboo thats why got punished) I believe the punishment is they will become mindless creature on teyvat but if train hard or become outstandin they will develope there own consciousness ( same us the bird in cloud retainer story) I think she was a seelie before she transform to paimon thats why paimon loves treasure Alhaitham phrase about god : they are just powerful than ordinary people so no matter how powerful they just have the same mind(sometimes dumb) and feelings Hint the phrase: there are more than what meets the eye( if im correct) Key point: before paimon meets the mc she was roaming around the places. Imo she was just roaming around mindless until few years before mc wakes up Sustainer of heavenly principle: she was called like that because she sustain anything for the mankind just for them to live so I dont think she is the final boss

[@MrGrimx1]

When Paimon is revealed as the Heavenly Principle, the Traveler's experience with her will change their attitude about Celestia.

[@TheHappyCatsTail]

we have known since like 1.0 that venti and istaroth are closely aligned in some way. this is probably going to be a crucial plot point moving forward. venti is extremely likely to be heavily related to celestia. we already KNOW for a fact he is hiding a bunch of shit and being aligned with istaroth somehow is just straight up MEGA-sus. i am also 100% sure paimon too is a victim of whatever the heck is happening and i personally think she IS istaroth, and that there has been some sort of falling out in celestia. (i think we have this "falling out" info in a book somewhere but i cant for the life of me remember which one or how it was mentioned at the moment, if i remember ill come back and edit this lol) i highly doubt paimon is gonna try to kill us, infact i think she has death flags for "sacrificing herself to save us" at some point.

[@FRaptor-wl6ku]

0:07 Well big dawg if the heavenly principles are allowing Focolars to “Yeet herself” then I won’t be surprised if they like Pierro and the rest of the harbingers be Pokemon trainers and catch ALL the gnosis for there GRAND plan where Captaino Dootore and Columbina pull up to Natlan and revive the 3rd descender

[@Gnidel]

Heavenly Principles could be okay with Neuvillette basically continuing what Hydro Archon is supposed to do, including giving out the power as Visions. Fontaine is being taken care of, Hydro Authority is well managed, the order of the world is sustained. Everything is fine.

[@Kewpiedie]

If it could happen the Fatui and the Harbingers will be traveler side and all Nation of Teyvat to fight the Heavenly Principles.

[@TheSquareTiger]

Watching so many video's about this Heavenly Principles and Khaenri'ah and honestly don't know but I figure either Paimon is Heavenly Principles or she will turn against us, or the Archon's turn against us and Aether and Lumine might have to fight the Archon gods or Paimon or Lumine could simply betray Aether, still Dain is hiding a few things from us and Paimon, who is supposed to be a guide with us yet she seems to know more about Teyvat but refusing to tell us is suspicious, there's no way that she we just randomly pull out Paimon when she would have drowned and her knowing so much about Teyvat, if that's the case, why doesn't Paimon not tell us the whole truth and not pretend that she doesn't know. But you got her worrying too and the fact that no one ever questions her as to why she has to "guide" us or travel with us when technically Aether can travel alone and make friends and speak for himself without Paimon all seems too suspicious

[@tristhekid]

The sustainer does look like Kiana on a second glance

[@s0nnasauras630]

They have a same jp va too not sure about English or Chinese tho

[@shanedoesyoutube8001]

​@@s0nnasauras630 en n/a but CN ABSOLUTELY (plus Hu Tao but don't ask about her)

[@starlight14673]

cuz kiana is hoyo's fav child she is honkai impact she was in gungirl z and she was also mc in another game of hoyo which is prbly limited to china only

[@karinamae51]

In the end Celestia is not the enemy, watch it be a different one and we all team up with what's left 😂 like that is such a good move for the villain. Let them fight and kill each other and sweep off the leftovers. Paimon is no. 1 sus to me and what even are the witches doing in these centuries? They know a lot.

[@KittWaffers]

genshin's world is one of the versions of humanity who cheated their way out of the honkai's reaches. well the honkai aint gonna be happy if genshin's world suddenly appears in their radar

[@Wuhaboo]

I just feel sorry for rukkaduvahta

[@yoiko89]

What if Paimon isn't Heavenly Principle but a Key for her awakening ?

[@LexyMera]

Please do a video about Venti's rabbit hole! I'm begging!!!

[@ankitjadhav6775]

After 4.7 i feel , Paimon is Literally Phanes who Got Dethroned . (second is in Charge) It felt weird How Paimon Wasn't able to Enter Loom of Fate's Consciousness. Phanes Who Literally Defeated The embodiment Of Abyssal Power Nibelung Dragon king Must ve had some kind of resistance , but still Phanes Took a Dmg and had to rest ig, A Lot of Things Literally pointing that Paimon is Phanes , I just want to Wait for A Confirmation. Phanes was a Victim ig and Not Criminal, Second who came must've had some hand in this, We don't know the Dragons Side too, So Excited for Some Info From Natlan . (Btw , This Time mihoyo Put Paimons Birthday on Official Twitter , Which is really Weird , They haven't done this in the First 3 years, Is this a Foreshadowing She's Gonna be playable in the late future , or that she might reveal he true Form in Natlan?)

[@PhoachPlaylist]

I dont think they are going to make pimon the bad guy because how dumb would it be to add a part of the story where that is revealed and new players join and everyone knows pimons bad. It would ruin the story for everyone starting out because its all they would hear.

[@TsuchiGamer06]

Where can I find the video at 4:00?

[@montagegamerlive3604]

Genshin impact cn 3rd Subscribe @montagegamingyt6547 if you wanna appreciate ^^

[@IAMDEMIURGE]

The samsara...the 500 year cycle?... 🤔

[@miragames9475]

What if Poimon/celestia 's memories are stored in the irminsol tree and is somehow corrupted ? I definitely think they are one and the same but somehow are in their weakest form .

[@Schnubi]

What if Celestia can't wake up/react because they're incomplete and Paimon is the last missing bit of it

[@SrdjanObradovic-yb8ld]

Heavenly principles is not one person,it is group of entities and sustainer is only one of them.As it was confirmed in game that primordial one created 4 shinning shades of herself,so what is the name of other 3 shades??

[@kevingame3198]

Yeah asomday in the opening cutscene that separate the twins is gotta be one of em there's gotta be like 5 or 4 like I came up with 5 1. Asmoday 2 davoth 3. Lilith 4. Ukkon And the Supreme leader is the primordial one but it's real form is the alpha abyss a large snake like creature that is twice the size of beisht much like the alpha ceph from crysis 3

[@SrdjanObradovic-yb8ld]

​@@kevingame3198its rather istaroth (god of time )as one of 4 shades

[@sukuphenioxcraft]

I dont want Paimon to betrayal the traveller... It will be so sad 😢

[@Thaumatolgist]

I felt the 4.7 archon quest was weak. I expected more from the Loom of Fate.

[@Matt-bs8lq]

Same it was OK. I feel it could have been stronger but I’m sure they are saving the meat of the sudden shift in story for natalan

[@ScarletSilverIron]

There is nap meme in here somewhere.

[@spo_der5105]

So focalor didnt have to try and trick the principles cuz they still NAPPING WHAT