George Kliavkoff's Last Ditch Effort to Save the Pac 12 | Conference Realignment | Big 10 | Pac 12

[@TestSubject38]

B1G should just add Cal and Stanford. Then California couldn't stop them and it could help ease travel expenses.

[@tommyguerino]

That would probably Kill the PAC 12 Conference.

[@TestSubject38]

@@tommyguerino They would still have Oregon and Washington. They could add some Mountain West schools. Of course after what's being reported for a TV contract over the last couple of days the PAC might be in trouble in just keeping anyone.

[@Peter.Young21]

RIP Pac 12. You were "Too good" for Boise St and BYU. Then, you were "too good" for Baylor, Tech, OSU and TCU. You get what you deserve.

[@Alohanate2004]

In 2016 the Big 12 was "too good" for all the schools that applied. Only when Big 12 got desperate did they chose to add 4 schools.

[@Peter.Young21]

@@Alohanate2004 100% you are absolutely right.. But the Big12 paid for that by losing Texas and OU. When Texas and OU left it became "kill or get killed" for the rest of the conferences. The Big 12 surprisingly sacked up while the Pac 12 shriveled up. Yet to be seen what happens to the ACC, their TV deal situation is different and that might be the only thing that keeps FSU and Clemson from the SEC for a few years.

[@rodneydurrett8604]

tu didn’t want to dilute their annual revenue. They got to have Big 12 championship with 10 teams, so they killed expansion.

[@rickolson-51]

I think it's safe to say that when you include all sports in the travel expenses the cost would double... Now you can ask does it still Make 'Cents'? All the other issues are 'non-cents'.

[@matthartley2471]

The thing that bothers me about Kliavkov's comment is that he said that the money would go to more administration because big 10 schools have larger administrations to run their athletic programs. Wouldn't that be good for the administration of UCLA? It's like going to CEO of a company and saying "hey, this new plan of yours is going to make the company 100 billion dollars, but 50 billion of it is getting paid out as a bonus to the CEO and board instead of going to employees and investors". You expect that to convince the CEO and board to not adopt the plan?

[@scottberdahl6957]

I can't wait to watch UCLA vs Rutgers on a weekday for volleyball..awesome..

[@TheKlownTimes]

Great segment -- even greater given this was during my birthday!!!

[@jameschapman6825]

I assume the travel costs would include all sports and the travel will be roughest in sports with a lot of games/matches. UCLA will be an afterthought in the BIG... but at least they will be able to pay their bills. 4 PAC schools in the BIG12 enhances both sides. Linking up CTZ schools/fans with MW/Pacific makes after-dark more valuable. The Baylor-BYU ratings were great, right? It's doubtful USC/UCLA will do a lot of those kind of games.

[@WillCarmineCompton]

Not for basketball & softball where they’ve been contenders more than football

[@ronaldshaw9148]

Kliavkoff is not only trying to save the Pac conference, he's trying to save his multi-million dollar salary/year.

[@johnpaulbacon8320]

I am not sure what to make of the current situation and the possible outcomes.

[@NorCalTrojanman91]

Listening to Kliavkoff whine and attempt BS like this, makes me wish the Big 12 would hurry up and add the four corners schools. Put the pac-12 out of its misery. Washington Oregon Stanford and Cal will all be fine. Washington State and Oregon State will also be fine.

[@lastpme]

If the school doesn’t want to be in the conference, the conference has to let the school go.

[@mathewblood5113]

The conference IS letting them go. It’s the UC system that’s somewhat intervening, Kliavkoff is just getting in on the politics of it because it’s good for the PAC 12. He’s doing his job.

[@kirbstomp4484]

This show hates the Pac-12 lol

[@vernonsheldon-witter1225]

This show does not hate the PAC- it hates liars.

[@lordrayden3045]

PAC10 commissioner just needs to shut up UCLA isnt his problem. He should focus on his problems It’s UCLA’s money, not his to worry about

[@NorCalTrojanman91]

He had one job when he became the commissioner, and that was the secure USC in the conference. USC had been signaling they wanted out of the conference contract for years.

[@rogerhendrix147]

These guys sound like homers. Maybe look at how this decisions affects the UC system and California. This could hurt the remaining schools in a big way.

[@lordrayden3045]

Ok and? That’s their problem

[@Frommalwithlove]

They are homers, big 12 and Baylor. Super super biased. They care nothing about UC system, California or the Pac 12.

[@juice2997]

This is one bitter podcast. You guys are only thinking bout football what about basketball baseball softball soccer and every Olympic sport. At this rate the pac12 could add Texas and Oklahoma and y’all would find a way to bash it. Look how much West Virginia spends on travel

[@scottsyverson4260]

It is a bad comparison to use football to basketball for travel purposes. Basketball teams can play games back to back, or with short turnaround, because it does not take the physical punishment or toll that football does and thus does not require the routine requisite post-game healing and recovery that football needs; its venues and crowds are much smaller, and basketball games due to their much smaller footprint can play mid-week games so that a road swing of a week may have up to five games. All in all, this is not an apples-to-apples comparison. An even bigger argument is time away from academics that long road trips require. Y 'all are arguing this like this is professional sports. These are still amateur student-athletes, even in the Power Five Conferences, the vast majority of players will never turn pro. The education they receive in exchange for their participation in athletics is their compensation, and time away from their compensation makes graduation that much harder.

[@Alohanate2004]

Excellent point!

[@jspiderflash5167]

UCLA is going to be another Maryland anyway in football

[@Alohanate2004]

You can hear it in their tones, they have no regard and no respect for Olympic sport athletes. Especially Craig. The travel is real. For example, UCLA women's volleyball play 2 home matches, then get on a commercial flight (LAX traffic, flight delays and cancellations), fly 5 hours to play at Rutgers and Maryland, fly 5 hours back and then do it again 2 weeks later, flying to Michigan and Michigan State. That's a lot to ask of 19 year olds not getting NIL money.

[@ckstaff]

I am having a hard time thinking the now P10 schools are all in on his focus in keeping UCLA in the conference when they are needing his focus, expecting him to get them a TV deal done.

[@lordrayden3045]

The PAC 10 commissioner needs to shut his mouth and worry about keeping the pac alive.

[@werdwerdwerd9919]

Just stop. You want to see the conference die. We get it. Don't have to keep beating us over the head with it.

[@DuckRon626]

I don’t think Kliavkoff cares what you and I think about what he says. His only concern is what the California Board of Regents and UCLA thinks about. If he can convince them with what he says, then he wins. Convincing us would not matter at all if he convinced them. The Board was supposed to meet Thursday, Sep. 22. I’ve not heard yet whether they did meet or any outcome if they did meet. But, I doubt that his argument would have any or little effect.

[@joeschmo1163]

'Kliavkoff sent a letter' -- It's not as if he sent a letter to the UC Regents off the cuff. He sent it in response to a request from the UC Regents for the conference's perspective on UCLA's move. I won't get into the flaws in your commentary. You guys are some daft SOBs.

[@SL-vy8ue]

He’s talking about 5 road games…what about all the other sports? Duhhh…

[@brianrivkin3012]

The PacBell teams that guard the big town was still travel not to mention the teams will have to come from Michigan and Michigan state so on and so forth

[@staleydu1]

Travel is not the issue. PAC 12 survival is the issue and George is feeling the heat. It’s a bad look. Could he possibly look more desperate?

[@KD-eq2ch]

The part of the letter I really disliked was when the commissioner took a shot at UCLA having a large amount of accumulated debt over the past 3 years… like we didn’t just have our economy shut down, and the PAC 12 had the lowest payouts of all the P5 conferences.

[@Alohanate2004]

But none of the other 11 schools ran up that much debt. Irresponsible spending.

[@florida1289]

Has anyone watched a UCLA game? Every week it's an empty stadium. Whatever they have been doing in the P12 isnt working nobody in LA cares so what exactly are they trying to save? It's time for a change. Maybe having Michigan, Ohio State & Penn State come to your stadium along with an infusion of money will hopefully help because as it stands now they're dying along with the rest of the P12.

[@polywoggins]

It's interesting to see you guys rooting on the Pac10 demise. Almost like it's a competition of who can fall apart faster, the B12 or the Pac10. It is not hard to make an assumption on where they will travel to, and yes, travel will be a problem...obviously.

[@shustyrackleford7692]

The PAC did this to itself. These guys highlighting the pathetic reasons given for ucla to stay makes it clear the PAC has absolutely nothing to offer and the B1G has a lot

[@vernonsheldon-witter1225]

You need to STOP blaming anyone connected with the Big 12 immediately. We are not your problem yet again. Look to your "Freinds" in the BIG. It's bullsh*t

[@itsrab100]

PAC 12 should just pick up up and coming programs in hopes they become big with the additional money, like SMU, SDSU, App state, UTSA, Coastal, and Memphis.

[@codywarhawk7099]

No. The Pac12 needs to die. I'm saying this, as a Colorado fan.

[@itsrab100]

@@codywarhawk7099 seem you might feel this way because you believe Colorado is going to the Big 12, wonder if you would feel the same if you the pac-12 dissolved and Colorado ended up in the MW G5

[@fakereality96]

At the very least Ucla athletics should be taxed for not doing enough to meet the UC system's pledge to reduce carbon emissions. Plus if Ucla's total budget including the B1G payout turns out to not be enough to cover operating expenses and might eventually need a bailout from the University (seeing that they're currently in debt), I would bet securing such funds would be harder to justify since moving to the B1G means travel to more states (4) that are currently on California's state-sponsored travel ban versus the one state currently on that list. For Ucla athletics to ask for such assistance would be inviting the University to be wilfully non-compliant in adhering to California's legislative objectives embodied by its travel ban. If Ucla is allowed to deviate from California's environmental and legislative objectives to play football for money, then other campuses might be willing to deviate from whatever constraints they say hinder their academic missions resulting in a fractionated university system incapable of serving the state of California. Again if...🤔

[@utahutes63]

You're such a good little commie, with a few more thinkers like you maybe we'll see the purges of Stalin return, but this time in America.

[@vernonsheldon-witter1225]

Stop with the excuses for your efforts to derail this move. It's a gigantic lie.

[@NorCalTrojanman91]

The pac-12 commissioners basing his flawed logic on the Olympic sports teams traveling and not the football team. That's part of why UCLA is losing money is their absolute support of money losing sports adventures. Title nine killed most of California's college football teams.

[@VorlonAngel]

You may want to check out what The Monty Show had to say about old George. They did not pull any punches. 😳

[@polywoggins]

You guys are such Pac haters...you are dripping with disdain. Every aspect is anti Pac. I would try to moderate...a little.

[@brandontrujillo8253]

He is trying to get politicians to virtue signal in California. Brilliant!

[@jonathansmith6847]

The PAC-B10-ACC alliances was football only and select games. UCLA going to big 10 is going to be all sports and incur lot of extra costs. And it is more money to fly to Chicago and NY then the Bay Area or Seattle form LA. Not sure if the costs will be as high as kliakoff says but it will be more. Also the directors are thinking of taking some of that extra big 10 money and giving it to the other campuses in the U Cal system.

[@aws34]

Exactly, why aren’t they mentioning ALL OTHER SPORTS?!

[@vernonsheldon-witter1225]

Another installment of "Acting like weenies"?

[@mitchellquartero]

It’s dead?

[@justinsarvela1102]

Larry Scott doomed the conference. George had no chance of saving it.

[@Ikaikaalika95]

Larry Scott screwed the pac-12.... Kliavkoff is just trying his best to clean up the mess

[@codywarhawk7099]

Kliavkoff hasn't done a fucking thing for the conference since he arrived. He's a Larry Scott 2.0

[@lordrayden3045]

Mental health huh? I think that being seen by magnitudes more people, and in bigger events would be a big pick up

[@scottberdahl6957]

does no one care about traditional matches ups. ??? oh..oh l get it nothing matters except money...what all of you "know it all " want is 2 32 team leagues and everyone else can p!$$ off..?? I believe it

[@SL-vy8ue]

Um, I don’t think it’s too difficult to come up with a realistic schedule. You don’t think these things weren’t thought through?

[@jwylde2]

UCLA has some kind of contract with the big 10 and when the contract was signed it seems that UCLA had the authority to sign it. If the regents force UCLA to break the contract I think that they would be liable for interference with a contract. The big 10 contracted with multiple entities under the assumption that UCLA would be a member of the big 10 so now all those contracts would have to be renegotiated leading to losses all around and huge liability for the State of California,

[@CharlesFosterMalloy]

Normally you are right, but the governmental entity can assert governmental or sovereign immunity. Tennessee Valley Authority case. May depend on California sovereign immunity waiver provisos.. I think the the public schools in the ACC can bust that GOR on the same basis. That's why the FSU president is so "assertive" and "agressive."

[@jonathansmith6847]

The problem from the beginning is that UCLA is not a separate college but one part of the university of California system . Normally the individual campuses are allowed to run their own show but the regents have the authority to move ucla if they wish and I assume claim in court that UCLA did not have the authority to make the move it did.

[@Richard-rq1bh]

Flag football? Maybe Newsome could coddle u girls

[@terencebaca1990]

Unbelievable the bias this discussion. The welfare of the student should be first priority. I have lost all respect for these 3 clowns.

[@vernonsheldon-witter1225]

Then don't watch. Nobody is standing with a pistol at your head forcing you to. Watch Deranged Ginger.

[@Cinnebomber]

PAC12 schools are already really far apart from one another. What does it matter if they have to fly from LA to Chicago or New York instead of Seattle? None are close. If anything you could make an argument that it will be easier for Olympic sports to fly to Chicago and do away games with 4 or 5 schools that are within a few hours drive from Chi rather than having to go to Seattle, Salt Lake, Denver, etc...

[@jonathansmith6847]

West coast flights are closer and cheaper.

[@Alohanate2004]

You should check out a map. LA to Seattle is much closer than New York or Chicago.

[@vernonsheldon-witter1225]

@@jonathansmith6847 More Bulls**t

[@jerry2968]

They have to be making enough money to cover the difference in travel for the non revenue sports or they wouldn't make the move.

[@mikem4864]

Georgie forgot the most important rule: NEVER BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU. When the rumblings started 5 years ago that SC was having thoughts of going independent that's when the Pac11 should've got on their knees a sucked as hard as they could. Now fortunately the Pac11 will be an afterthought. Fucla is lucky big brother took them along for the ride. Fight On ✌🏽

[@Fender56]

Pac12 is not going away. You heard it here first.

[@jspiderflash5167]

Who gives a f

[@utahutes63]

Nobody watches UCLA fb because it has sucked for so long. moving to the BIG is only going to make it worse, at least they'll have a chance to compete in the PAC 12. Overtime time the BIG will destroy UCLA sports, UCLA will also become a financial burden on the BIG in the long run.

[@jlamm2223443]

really hated to see the guy's FOX news, liberal bashing, politics added to the show. You are not a scientist, stay in your lane.