George R.R. Martin Confirms Why Winds of Winter Is Late - He's Working on 8 Different Spinoff Shows

Speaking to Bangcast, George tells us that he is involved in eight separate Game of Thrones spinoff shows, some of which are now in development.
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House of the Dragon is an American fantasy drama television series created by George R. R. Martin and Ryan J. Condal for HBO. It is a prequel to the television series Game of Thrones and is based on Martin's 2018 novel Fire & Blood. Set two hundred years before the events of Game of Thrones, the series chronicles the beginning of the end of House Targaryen, the events leading up to the Targaryen civil war, known as the "Dance of the Dragons", and the war itself. The main contenders are Houses Targaryen, Hightower, Stark, Baratheon, Arryn and Velaryon.
Game of Thrones is an American fantasy drama television series created for HBO by David Benioff and D. B. Weiss. Based on the fantasy novel series, A Song of Ice and Fire by George R.R. Martin. The series is set on the fictional continents of Westeros and Essos, and interweaves several plot lines with a large ensemble cast. The first narrative arc follows a civil conflict among several noble houses for the Iron Throne of the Seven Kingdoms; the second covers the attempts to reclaim the throne by the exiled last scion of the realm's deposed ruling dynasty; the third chronicles the rising threat of the impending winter, the legendary creatures and fierce peoples of the North.
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[@limalikat4652]

At this point, I’d settle and pay full book price for a bullet outline of how the story is supposed to end.

[@williamcobbett4943]

Me too, man and isn't that sad

[@jrwilliams4029]

Glad to know 8 unconfirmed spinoff shows take precedent over GRRM’s magnum opus.

[@theboy1625]

That’s crazy

[@matt_9112]

Esepcially with at least four of them being actually canned anyways.

[@starsimvidz]

its like a builder telling someone they won't finish the house, but they are adding a fence and a pool... like ok... thanks?

[@HOTD108_]

One word: Money.

[@talhaahmed2130]

It’s an excuse. He’s just procrastinating.

[@Longshanks1690]

HE CAN’T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS!!! HE CAN’T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT!

[@inigo137]

We aren't getting a Dream of Spring, the end to his magnum opus, but we will get some TV shows no one will care for in 15 years Very cool

[@Shinooobi211]

And that hurts the most... I just cant understand why he focuses on all of those distractions and not on the thing that got him to this position in the first place... As you said, books are immortal, but I doubt that SOIAF will ever be finished...

[@Grewyn7]

​@Shinooobi211 GRRM has always dreamt of working with TV and cinema. Once he got his big break into that world he never considered himself a fiction writer again. He also made more money in the short time his stuff has been on screen than he ever did as a struggling author. He loves killing people and things bis fans love. His ultimate joy will be doing that to the whole series by not finishing it.

[@georgechapman9688]

​@@Grewyn7cinema and TV seem a better medium for GoT. Nudity in a TV show doesn't seem half so jarring as reading about it every other chapter.

[@OwenTheLegend]

​@@georgechapman9688spoken like a true non book reader

[@georgechapman9688]

True, I usually skip it whenever I'm rereading Asoiaf

[@adamwallace8082]

With a name like House of the Dragons, you could cover the entire Targaryen timeline, from Valyria to Robert's Rebellion. Additionally you don't need to be chronological about either, so after the Dance of the Dragon Storyline, you could do the Conquest of Westeros, then Dunk and Egg, then the Conquest of Dorne, then Robert's Rebellion, Then King Baylor, ect.

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

Yeeeessir.

[@adamwallace8082]

They should also do a "Kings of Winter" show that's a House of the Dragon-isk version of House Stark, which could include the First Men....

[@frankcommatobe8009]

King Baylor is about a frat house’s journey from bongs to babes

[@AlexGordonMusic]

@@frankcommatobe8009lmao

[@YarPirates-vy7iv]

​@@frankcommatobe8009love it

[@gerardjagroo]

The ending of Game of Thrones was fanfiction and Jon Snow would be a fanfiction about a fanfiction. Who the fuck wants to see that?

[@nikharagrawal5808]

17:10 Carmine's basically saying that everytime a new GoT spin-off is born, the world will flip a coin between greatness and madness....

[@SetrinSkyheart]

I remember that Nickelodeon had a similar issue with this "growth over profit" mindset for a while when they were cancelling shows constantly because they were treating the performance Spongebob Squarepants as a new baseline minimum for new shows.

[@earlpipe9713]

HBO had some similar blunders back in like the first run of prestige TV shows, where they'd cancel critically acclaimed, viewer loved series, that executives considered too high budget. They played themselves though, because in the short term cutting of budgets, they didn't consider the future profits from DVD sales that would've made those shows budgets more than worth it.

[@RTU130]

Right

[@HOTD108_]

​@@earlpipe9713Sadly those days are over now, as most people don't buy DVDs anymore, so those sleeper hit success stories are becoming less and less common.

[@jaredmcdaris7370]

“The bubble always pops, but it always pops later than you think” might be the most insightful thing he’s ever said.

[@HoofHearted88]

It's not true though. It tends to happen earlier than you'd think, that's why it's a bubble. If people would think the bubble would pop earlier they'd adjust their budget and account for the soon-to-bust bubble. They don't though, as they feel safe.

[@makimasbrat5508]

But season seven was good right?

[@royalfun1031]

​@@makimasbrat5508wut

[@AdaptiveApeHybrid]

​@@makimasbrat5508shots fired

[@markevans4323]

Not sure bubble is the term he's looking for. Sounds like he is referring to saturation. If an industry has a successful product, so they devote excessive resources to it , stop innovation, and just flood the market with that one product and/derivatives of it. Then they end of oversaturating the market, the public experience fatigue and a once profitable product dies. But that doesn't have to happen. Plenty of franchises have been around for decades with no sign of going away, because their owners watched trends and knew how/when to release more editions. Think james bond, star trek. Star wars is a good example of what happens to IP when you oversaturate your audience with subpar content

[@elmermedina1713]

My dream is to be a traditionally published author. I'd work tooth and nail to finish my books for whomever cares to read them.

[@DEANOpics]

I don't think that's Geoge's dream. I think his dream was to work in TV. His generation grew up with TV, he loved working on B&B. Perhaps writing novels was his backup plan. If that's the case then mission accomplished, no need to write any more novels.

[@daveid9271]

Cancel all the spin offs

[@coreyander286]

From Snow to anime Yi-Ti, HBO will be spinoff-free.

[@lara6489]

Lol

[@YarPirates-vy7iv]

​@@coreyander286nice

[@kennyhudson9201]

Leave money on the table! People are holding out money, begging to give it away, leave it in their hands! LOL.

[@asarishepard8171]

He won't. I can't be mad hes making bank on them but its also an unintended slap in the face This is all world add on or prequel to a story that will never be finished. Why even do it.

[@victormello5536]

By far, the best decision HBO could make right now is to roll some of these piches (Aegon's conquest, the Blackfyre Rebellions, Dunk & Egg, Robert's Rebellion) into House of the Dragon. -The title is a perfect fit for the entire history of the Targaryen dinasty -If you make it all into one show, you don't run the risk of dilluting the brand with 8 shows being aired simultaneously, or even worse, making people feel like you are forcing this I.P. down their throats -If it's all contained to one show, you don't run the risk of turning HBO (literally the most prestigious cable network) into "the Game of Thrones channel". AMC went that route, after starting out with stuff like Mad Men and Breaking Bad. Does anyone watch AMC nowadays? -And of course, with George working on a single show instead of 8, he might make some fucking time to write that book he's been meaning to write. As for the other piches (the Thousand Ships, Corlys, Yi-Ti), you might as well chuck 'em in the garbage. NO ONE wants to see that shit.

[@iliaponomarev1624]

Sure, but it looks like Dunk and Egg are gonna be a separate thing? I don't think they are going to run two "House of the Dragon" shows simultaneously. Though who knows...

[@7PlayingWithFire7]

​@@iliaponomarev1624 Its confirmed as a seperate show.

[@waraabebidaarleh3165]

You forgot to think about money.

[@TheInfectous]

pretty sure amc died for other reasons... heard real bad things, they fired twd's first director who began the project after he had done a shit load for s1 and had a bunch planned for s2.

[@TheInfectous]

@@iliaponomarev1624 I think dunk and egg could and probably should be separate. The rest can be made to fit similar tones and structures but dunk and egg is a completely different show.

[@watchparty1]

I think House of the Dragon can be the main show that covers anything with the Targaryens.

[@Big_Steve11]

Dude has no respect for his fans, yes the obligatory "he doesn't owe fans anything blah blah blah", but he doesn't seem pressed in any way to finish the series.

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

I hate these arguments because without the fans he has no legacy or wealth. He may not owe his life, for sure, but he does owe the fans, who helped give him this empire, some degree of closure with the story's conclusion.

[@Big_Steve11]

@@OfficialRedTeamReview I agree, the fan and writer relationship is a symbiotic, he writes stories and we buy "da books".

[@Vmac1394]

When you begin a story, is it reasonable that the people you are telling it to expect it to be finished.

[@AshleyWilliamsN7]

He does owe us. We made him wealthy in exchange for a compelling story. He already has our money, he owes us the end of the damn story.

[@TheMijoAaron]

Why don’t u guys just boycott? Don’t watch any television media related to ASOIAF and demand the books be released? Is the casual audience just too much of the majority compared to book fans and die hard ASOIAF fans?

[@stephaniec9539]

George stop worrying about show casuals!!! None of them are going to care about those spin offs truly

[@jmwvirgil]

I said this on a recent video of yours, but yes, it's fairly obvious Winds died because George stands to make more money out of the HBO Thrones-verse.

[@MC-el2us]

I don’t think it’s about money though. A TV cinematic universe with multiple shows set inside it is his 1990(ish?) revenge wet dream. Of course having GOT bomb the ending didn’t help, he’s trying to fix it. He has been personally hurt by the end of the show. So now he won’t let them do it again.

[@inigo137]

It's not about money, it's about laziness He could write hundreds upon hundreds of pages without instant gratification With TV he can write a tiny amount and see his vision realized on screen in a year

[@7PlayingWithFire7]

​@@inigo137you guys are crazy. It's not laziness or money.

[@inigo137]

@@7PlayingWithFire7 please go on and explain why the dude is doing EIGHT different projects asside from Winters go on

[@Antisocialpessimist]

Honestly I've pirated HOTD because I really dont care to support the spin offs, I'll legally purchase the winds of winter and a dream of sping when it comes out, if it comes out. 😊

[@earlpipe9713]

More honestly, I pirate everything I watch because it's easier/more centralized than navigating streaming sites & cable & all that junk.

[@based-ys9um]

​@@earlpipe9713do you need a pc to retire

[@faegotte]

I love that he is giving us more visual art, really I do. I wish he would finish the original story in the meantime because i really hate the cliff's edge the story left us on.

[@rorywilson656]

When I'm putting something off I sometimes do dishes, make food or go for a walk... or KZbin like I'm doing now. You gotta hand it to him, this is next level procrastination right here.

[@Barnyholmes]

He has no intention of finishing them let’s be honest… thus, I have no intention to start them. This means I can free up all that time for more important things! Thanks George!

[@karolina285]

Maybe 5,6 years ago I wanted to start reading the books but thought to myself "no, let's wait until it's complete" ....oh well I feel sorry for the fans who wait for the next book,not to mention finished story

[@MiddleEarthGirl75]

You may be right, because reading the books, knowing how good they are and knowing there is a possibility of them not being finished, and the awful last couple of seasons forcing me to think they were the real ending content..... It definitely hurts.

[@bennycostello2472]

This video could have came out 8 years ago and would be just as accurate

[@willacosta10]

I'm done consuming ASOIF stuff. The only thing I'll buy is Winds of Winter

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

What about Blood & Fire the sequel to Fire & Blood? (this is not a joke, he wants to call it that)

[@DreamVikings]

Same here

[@DreamVikings]

@@OfficialRedTeamReview Targs are overrated, Carmine.

[@willacosta10]

@@OfficialRedTeamReview Sigh

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

@@DreamVikings tags?

[@-THE_META]

100 years of Game of Thrones shows What is dead may never die!

[@anapaz329alvarez3]

BULLSHIT

[@ivanbluecool]

8 shows? That's about as many books George has worked on or is working on with asoiaf

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

LOL chiiiiill

[@evilmerv4645]

Doesn’t he have about 14 including the dunk and egg series?

[@SirBallsDeepOfHouseManthrust]

@@OfficialRedTeamReviewYou chill Carmine.

[@b1bbscraz3y]

we don't need a Jon Snow sequel series like at all

[@SirBallsDeepOfHouseManthrust]

@@b1bbscraz3y Totally. We don’t at all. But it’s the only one I’d like, HAVE to see.

[@yamochanchan]

There is no superhero fatigue. Or GoT fatigue. There is bad writing fatigue in a big way

[@georgecisneros5281]

🎯

[@tanyarose7481]

Disagree. I LOVE all the Marvel movies as well as DC. There has been so much content coming out it feels like a chore to keep up. There are a lot of people that feel this way.

[@7PlayingWithFire7]

Definitely superhero fatigue. I've got star wars fatigue too.

[@tanyarose7481]

@@7PlayingWithFire7 same. The SW fatigue isn't as bad, but there are a couple of thecseries I haven't watched yet.

[@tanyarose7481]

The SW isn't as bad for me I should say.

[@sardonically-inclined7645]

So, he just confirmed the obvious? Okay. I'm still beyond caring a this point. I don't care about the book until it's in my hands. Theory videos and rereads entertain my just fine.

[@joejejeo]

Maybe George and HBO fuck up so badly on one of those spinoffs that his only way of redemption is to finish TWoW.

[@rainman4494]

I thought they already did that with season 8. I honestly can’t believe anyone buys grrm’s products until he finishes

[@terrellwilliams5366]

George alludes to being a gardener type of author, but i think the more accurate analogy would be that he is more of a planter. I believe he needs to add someone to his team who specializes with harvesting storylines.

[@unreasonableJameson]

if it even comes out its pretty obvious WoWinter is the last book on the series. Good job George.

[@natie3322]

I heard long ago that his original Editor quit and that is EXACTLY when he stopped. They put everything in the right order and on track. I guess they inspired him and kept him working. Since they left he hasn’t produced any real ASOIF. He can’t. Don’t know why he can’t hire someone else before it’s too late… but to lie to the world all this time is twisted…

[@geordiejones5618]

Can't blame that editor for quitting. I bet he hated his job. Imagine trying to get GRRM to trim some of the fat. He gave up on easy money because of the stress most likely.

[@dangerdan2592]

I think you might be referring to Ty Franck, who is part of the duo who wrote The Expanse series (would recommend by the way). He was some sort of assistant to GRRM and helped him organize and get the book written in some way. And since he left there haven't been any more ASOIAF books as far as I know (he may have left a little bit before Dance came out).

[@dangerdan2592]

Maybe you're talking about someone else though.

[@oculargoose7361]

How has Carmine, who has a youtube asoiaf channel, not even read dunk & egg? It's 3 short stories.

[@7PlayingWithFire7]

Its like a fraction of got

[@TobeWilsonNetwork]

How long has it been since someone actually looked George in the whites of his eyes and asked “What are you doing?”

[@asarishepard8171]

I also want to meet George one day so I can tell him to his face the show runners found out the jon snow mother answer by asking any online forum. I was in a few, everyone knew what was up.

[@amorra6024]

​@@asarishepard8171For real. Even I knew about the R+L=J theory from the forums years before the reveal it in GoT s6. And I was predominately a show-only fan who haven't read any of the books yet.

[@asarishepard8171]

@@amorra6024 ya see??

[@tomw4955]

​@@amorra6024its also really obvious in the books.

[@SixStringHarmonies]

There is a story going around regarding comments George has made to "close friends" that he admits he's never going to finish ASoIaF. I believe it, as it tracks consistently with what I'm seeing (or not seeing). If true, it's infinitely repugnant and pathetic. He's retired and ultimately resigned to doing easy work like single episodes of TV serials here, and there.

[@coreyander286]

If he never intends to finish it, I don't see what strong incentive he has to not just say, "Yeah, I admit it, I've given up". Unless he'd be sued by the publisher or something? But even then, he can probably afford a good enough lawyer.

[@mrdarkstar3756]

George is caught up in living his dream late working in TV at 74 -76 years old he's likely not going to finish

[@beevie4081]

Yeesh, even if you're right that he is choosing relatively easy work at this stage, how is retiring at his age repugnant and pathetic? I personally hope to be at least semi-retired myself at 70.

[@georgechapman9688]

​@@beevie4081because either he finishes what he started, or he gives it to someone else. Either it means something and should be finished (even if he's old) or it means nothing and he can just give it to someone else to finish

[@beevie4081]

@@georgechapman9688 maybe... But he already did give the series away once and most of his fans were pretty displeased with what the other creators did with it.

[@richardmaccarthy101]

I don't get how 8 spinoffs makes any sense for HBO on a subscription model. If you have 3 game of thrones shows running, wouldn't you think that you have basically captured the 'game of thrones market'? How many new subscriptions can you hope to get with another 5? Wouldn't it be money 100% down the drain, regardless of quality? I guess maybe GRRM could be trying to build out shows to run consecutively over like the next 20 years, but that seems like a stretch too, because who can realistically plan that far ahead and expect GoT to still be popular? It's all quite nutty...

[@IkilledAGhostOnce]

A movie that makes 100 million is considered a flop if it cost 200 million to make. It’s simple Preston.

[@kennyhudson9201]

A business flop. A try to make a profit flop. But it in no way indicates, but is often portrayed as an artistic flop, or an entertainment flop. Whether it makes money or not has nothing to do with it being good or entertaining so flop is a BS word to use, if profit is the metric, because profit does not matter to society so in no way would we use a word like flop to apply to a movie we enjoyed, because some corporation didn't make money. Society determines what words mean, and a movie that was deemed entertaining can never be called a flop except by suits in a board room. It has no place in civilized society.

[@GaryCrant]

I think what he was getting at is that budgets are so overblown, that a box office of 100mio is nothing to a blockbuster

[@GaryCrant]

⁠@@kennyhudson9201society does determine if a movie is a flop or not. By going to the cinema to see it. A minority that thinks a movie is good can’t decide that it’s not a flop.

[@kennyhudson9201]

@@GaryCrant You are right, people deciding not to see a movie means it is a marketing/business flop, but it doesn't mean it is an artistic flop. And that is what annoys me is the way it is used to mean that. I just don't care about profit and believe it says nothing about the actual film. There is a movie that sold the same amount of tickets but is considered a success, because it had less budget, but the same amount of people decided to see it in theaters. Why should success be determined by the budget for art? I get it for the business, but for the art consumer. I don't care if Sony made money off the PS Spiderman games. They are great regardless.

[@GaryCrant]

@@kennyhudson9201 then it’s just semantics. Flop or Hit usually refers to the success of a film or entertainment product. The question is how the producers would define „success“. I think no producer or filmmaker on this planet would say that commercial success does not matter at all. A great artistic film has no impact if no one watches it. And if it’s a financial flop the likelihood for another try also drops.

[@patrickcarr9906]

There were two animated spin-offs that George mentioned in his blog. One of them, the topic was being kept a secret. Still hoping that is the ASOIAF animated series. That'd make 8.

[@konineptuneborn1467]

Greed is indeed a terrible thing

[@ash9280]

It is not probably greed because he has enough money that to last more than a lifetime. It is laziness, poor discipline, and lack of interest in finishing his work.

[@NicCage-eq9tn]

He probably just doesn't want to finish the books. He probably finds making shows more interesting at this point.

[@trevorsherrie]

I think the hidden saving for Westeros content is that we aren’t bombarded with sub par content

[@N3ur0m4nc3r]

...🤔 Winds of Winter...Now, that's a name I have not heard for a long time...a long time 👴

[@michaelpearce9582]

It’s nothing to do with fatigue. If the movie/show is well written with good characters it will do well. Current Hollywood rarely does this.

[@EEEHYOWZEE]

Literally no one asked for the spinoffs after the slap in the face that was original GOT ending. We just want the book man..

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

That's not true. Even before the show ended there were a ton of people who wanted spinoffs

[@EEEHYOWZEE]

​@@OfficialRedTeamReview why care about spinoffs when you know how awfully it will end and a Jon Snow tv show? That character is a joke now.

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

@@EEEHYOWZEE Why enjoy life when it all leads to death? Because I can still enjoy the journey even if I don't like the destination.

[@chriser555]

Of course Preston would defend The Marvels.. of course!!! 😂😂😂

[@drewdrewson1384]

no more rome, the wire, boardwalk empire, sopranos..... aka all shows from over a decade ago

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

Super sad that HBO isn't producing bangers at the same rate

[@MyUserTubeAccount]

HBO was killing it with those, plus Entourage!

[@trancenhanced_original]

I can very much appreciate George's distracted mindset, his romance with celebrity, and his desire to expand his properties. I can understand a reasonable hiatus from the core work, or even a need to step back from everything and breathe. I get that. However, George is not a child of spring. George is a elder of winter. His time is counted in years, not decades. And while he objectively owes nothing to anyone beyond that for which he is contractually obligated, my subjective feeling is that the author and the reader are bound by an implicit compact: I afford you your lifestyle, you keep me swimming in dragons, swords, and the political machinations of colorful characters. I wish the man every good thing, but I have personally sworn off everything else he has ever produced, will produce, or is in the process of producing, pending the release of the remain two books in Ice and Fire. I can't bring myself to care about any of his other endeavors until the core literary series is complete. Period. This is the time to consider legacy.

[@jgr7487]

Wouldn't Snow be a continuation of the TV series, not of the book series?

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

Yeeeessir

[@jgr7487]

@@OfficialRedTeamReview why the hell would anyone want a sequel to that dumpsterfire of a series ending?

[@7PlayingWithFire7]

​@@jgr7487cause then they could try to salvage it I guess. The winter ending so suddenly sucked

[@earlpipe9713]

How is there both a tv writers strike (that George has attended pickets for 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣) and a bunch of ASOIAF spinoffs being made at the same time? Does HBO have a machine learning/fake AI thing writing them?

[@oberon5657]

For the Dunk and Egg title, simply "Hedge Knight" sounds decent enough, nice and snappy.

[@thedragondemands5186]

He said 8 including Dunk and Egg but not HotD: 1 - Dunk and Egg 2 - Nymeria 3 - Young Corlys 4 - early talks about a Targaryen Conquest movie 5 6 7 8 - “three or four” animated projects, including Yi Ti

[@Bmega81]

I agree with the blackfyre rebellion being the next show after the dance of dragons. That would be dope! Especially if they tie dunk and egg into it as well. Same timeline basically.

[@itzfifson6140]

Grrm just trolling us at this point with the books

[@BoltonForTheNorth]

Dunk participated directly in the second and the fourth rebellions.

[@babloomiah1707]

Hunter x hunter author has the respect to give his fans an ending because he feels he might not make it long even to finish his series. George should learn something from him

[@maxsinclair787]

i don't think its super hero fatigue with marvel I think its fatigue with crappy writing that isn't giving you time to care about a new cast, like fine bring in these new characters but let us get to know them first before you have them take place in world ending battles. the reason imo the up to end game worked so we is because we had a couple of movies getting to know tony stark, and he was the main story thread. but he had a couple of movies where we got to see character growth and form an attatchment to him, they haven't done that with anything since endgame, theyre just throwing more effects at the screen and more money and going hmm why don't people love this. more effects isn't what we want as an audience.

[@babschampagne8377]

Who the hell cares about all of these spin offs? Finish the main story first. This guy is unbelievable. I've lost my respect for him long time ago.

[@paulq7389]

As a comic book reader I got tired of walking dead at season 4. I thought maybe fear could correct the mistakes of walking dead and it did not. You are right! The fan boys will leave 1st.

[@donovan5656]

I think the marvel tail spin is spooking a lot of studios from over production

[@owenbridgers]

We can get the shows when the book is finished its crazy

[@eds1942]

Robert’ Rebellion Dunk & Egg Aegon’s Conquest The Seven Voyages Nymeria Jon Snow The Blackfyre Rebellion (Maybe) The Dornish Wars (Anything else would need to be designed almost from scratch.) The Doom of Valyria The Far East The Long Night

[@ocsjc13]

George knows what happen for the long night

[@LifeInPink999]

Maybe Aegons conquest will be I I interesting to watch but why don't do it in chronological order then? For the rest a big “meh, not interested”. Can't he just finish the books? At this point is an active procrastination!

[@eds1942]

@@ocsjc13 The world building part of it, not the mythology.

[@eds1942]

@@LifeInPink999 Dunk & Egg and Aegon’s Conquest are the two know ones. The Long Night has been canceled. The rest exist either in Harington and GRRM’s head.

[@ocsjc13]

@@eds1942 there’s a reason why it was called blood moon… that’s how the long night started something with the moon and they got that from George he knows what happen bro he intentionally doesn’t reveal it

[@miguelsanchez825]

Please for the love of everything just don't allow Snow to be greenlighted, PLEASE

[@KimJuanUn]

I've always been 6-7 years ahead of the curve. This is feeling about the right time for normies to catch up to me. 1 more season of house, middling views/reviews then off the cliff for GoT, all projects cancelled, begin the fall of prestige television on HBO, gurm dead within 2 years, which sparks a rise of rome followed by a return to monke when the next global catastrophe hits. You read it here first.

[@coreyander286]

Can you recommend me a crypto to invest in?

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

@coreyander286 Woah, for once you're not peddling random ass asoiaf youtubers in my comment section? must be my lucky day!

[@TheJinzoSpoon]

"The Game of Thrones Fatigue" sounds like a good band name

[@lburrsshinyhunts2253]

But he said only a knight of 7 kingdoms is greenlit

[@ndantona92]

Why is there a picture of a 9 year old child with a hand of the king badge and a pokeball lol wtf

[@LuciferChapel1987]

Rather than the show being called "Snow", I'm confident that it'll be called something akin to "Winds of Winter", and it'll feature all the omitted or dropped book plots and characters. They're going to tell the story properly. It's what George wants. Golden Empire Of The Dawn, Aegon Taragreyen, Jon Connington, House Dayne, House Reed, Garland Tyrell, Arienne Martell, the Hightowers in Oldtown, The Ghost of Highheart, Lady Stoneheart, the Skagos plot, Val and Jon, Jon being Robb's heir, Marwyn The Maege, the oringal Night’s King (aka Bloodstone Emperor) and Queen, Aryra in Essos, Quaith, book Euron's entire plot (which will have to be transferred onto Victarion, since HBO already killed Euron off), the importance of magic horns, moon meteors, all the layered symbology. Basically, everything that D&D couldn't be arsed to give us, plus everything that happneds in WOW and ADOS. It's not going to be all new material when they left out most of story and have pretty much the entire thing, arguably all the best parts still left on the table. It very much feels the point of all these spin offs is to set up the "big bad" (ideally in an animated Long Night / Golden Empire show) that will be a running plotline through all the spin offs, so Jon can vanquish it all right at the very end of the story.

[@marc-andretrudeau4412]

It's not only profitable. It's needs to be able to beat the stock market. Studios are there to make money and not art. For them, to be a succesfull movie, the movie needs to make more money that they would make if they invested in stocks instead of making the movie. This makes me sick.

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

Nobody does things out of the kindness of their hearts. Money makes this all happen

[@earlpipe9713]

This is why I hate private intelligence agencies, because there might arise a situation where they would profit to such a larger extent they couldn't resist, by not passing on crucial, disaster averting info onto the government

[@marc-andretrudeau4412]

@@OfficialRedTeamReview With that line of thinking it's easy for studio executive to justify the way they treat workers. Defending the right to make the most money possible at any cost leads to underpaid artist/workers, bland movies and potentialy having AI writting movies from start to finish to save cost. It use to be that studio would "gamble" when came time to produce movies. They would give chances to people and sometime it would pay off and sometime not. But in the end, they would make their money back because when something like the first starwars happens, they would make more then 70 times their investment. Now they dont want to bet anymore, so when they find a cash cow that they can milk dry and then keep milking. That's why there is so many reboots/sequels/remake etc. They want their investment to be as safe as possible. So they dont take risks and they settle for the most palatable, least challenging movie possible. With that in mind, do you think studios nowaday would have greenlight a movie like the first starwars back in the day? Not a chance. Who would have tought in 1977 that a movie about space wizzards fighting a faschist empire would become what it is today, nobody. Movies made with the goal of making the most money possible end up beeing things like the last starwars trilogy. A movies mostly made by studio executive to capitalised on our nostalgia for starwars. Now, you can defend the studios all you want, but then dont make videos complaining about the result of their work.

[@7PlayingWithFire7]

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[@Seeric85]

I really have no interest in any GoT sequels, considering that GoT wasn't finished properly. House of the Dragon is good, and I wouldn't mind Roberts Rebellion and Dunk&Egg. If we HAVE to have another spin-off with an original story, I would like some kind of maritime adventure in the Summer Sea. But you know what I really want though? The Winds of Winter in 2024, followed by A Dream of Spring within 3-5 years. That however will remain a dream I fear because George will use every excuse to procrastinate.

[@TheStranger-27]

We’re FOOKED

[@TheIslandDivision]

I want to see Blood Moon. Can't be as bad as season 8.

[@ocsjc13]

Same I wanna see what’s the deal with the others

[@catalinacaro8183]

As long as it isn't directed by DND, because they floped the 8th season because they rushed to go and work in other projects, but when that didn't work they came back to ASOIAF. I think they are capable of doing great things but they will abandon it as soon as something 'better' comes around again.

[@AlexLopez-vm7uq]

*They canceled BLOOD Moon because there's is not 1 SINGLE REFERENCE OF A BLOOD MOON IN AAAAALL OF GEORGE R R Martin's Books 😂 lol seriously look it up!*

[@randomchannel9473]

I say rework blood moon to have a drastically different tone. If Star Wars can have Andor, I don't see why we can't have something more fantastical or even comedic for Blood moon. If the fundamental concepts George is trying to underline with the origins of his world, I don't see why experimenting with the tone would be a bad thing.

[@AlexLopez-vm7uq]

@randomchannel9473 Because they were racist and tried to make it seem like The Children of the forest were Black people just CAUSE. Honestly BLOOD Moon was just a bunch of bullshit 😒 HBO canceled it FOR A REASON LOL! It would've been a WASTED investment OBVIOUSLY LMFAOOO 🙄 😒 😂😂😂

[@Alpha1200]

11:20 - Well, usually there's the actual cost of making the movie and then the marketing budget. And the marketing is usually about the same as making the movie. So a movie usually has to make twice the price of its creation to break even because that is including both making the actual movie and all of the money spent on things like marketing it.

[@Lord_Clarke]

The Game of Thrones bubble is definitely going to pop eventually BUT WB can slow that down tremendously if they actually tell smaller stories and HBO is the perfect place to do that. Westeros is the perfect place for a "Succession" inspired show that's low budget and more character driven then spectacle, HBO somehow let Netflix beat them to the punch with a show clearly inspired by "Succession" and it was a massive hit. If HBO focuses more on individual stories than lore building they could have something both the critics and culture loves.

[@lordfrz9339]

George RR Martin and Patrick Rothfuss have made some of my favorite books, and I will never start another series form them again.

[@lordfrz9339]

@@InjectBleach no one cares no one cares

[@Mwezi828]

You didn't count Aegon's Conquest and the Flea Bottom show

[@helpconflict9851]

could they do a "ninepenny kings" spinoff

[@stephaniec9539]

I think movie tickets here on average are 16-18 bucks with taxes (ontario)

[@TheBaselessMountain]

Holy shit didn't know any portuguese show had such influence to the point if talking with grrm

[@HankMB]

Idk how much it cost, but Scavengers Reign on HBO/Max was absolutely dope.

[@marcushertz4434]

FFS Carmine!? You still haven't read Dunk and Egg?

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

I haven't gotten around to it....yet. I'm caught up with the mainline series and the fire & blood stuff but not that one story, no.

[@scottytoohotty1986]

Jon Snow spin off is so easy: Jon finds out that there’s a White Walker Queen and she’s even more powerful than the king. It’s her that the prophecy speaks of that Jon has to kill. It’s with this Queen that all the things we hear about like Ice Spiders, Ice Dragons, etc that will come South. That way HBO can wash the terrible taste of Arya killing the Night’s King out of our mouths.

[@ryanzod6986]

I think Jon Snow should have a Dark Souls kinda tone to it.

[@umwha]

Love it. There should be some comparison with Daenerys being a fire queen who Jon killed - yet now he has an ice queen to kill. I hope Emilia Clark appears as Jon’s guilt projection of Daenerys. Kit Harrington will probably put on his wife, Rose Leslie (Ygritte), who would have to be a guilt projection.

[@gentlesavage2068]

Aren't they also making an aegons conquest show?

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

Supposedly but that sounded kind of dumb. They wanted to make him some angry loser drunk...or so the rumors say

[@makimasbrat5508]

How does his publisher feel. Isn't the next book set to be the best selling book ever, or the fastest, probably bearing Rowling or whoever

[@PhilHibbs]

"When a new Game of Thrones spinoff is born, the gods toss a coin..."

[@vaegontargaryen9203]

Nothing makes you feel like more of a clown than being a George RR Martin fan waiting for winds of winter.

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

Luckily I'm a clown who's a fan of Game of Thrones/A Song of Ice and Fire, not George.

[@jamesaaron7211]

In that I have conceded we will never see the end of the series…at least written by GRRM…I’ll take what I can get.

[@cjdayne3033]

George should stop with trying to get the story to fit into 7 books. Just release a smaller book so we can finally get something

[@williamcobbett4943]

That's assuming he has enough material for even a small book

[@MrHazz111]

I'm sure that Dunk and Egg participate in the third Blackfyre rebellion.

[@suba7320]

George RR Martin is a cautionary tale about how you can completely screw up your magnum opus by having no plan, writing yourself into a corner, selling it too soon, and in general not having the best self-discipline in the world. I think he much prefers sitting in a writer's room producing TV-shows with lots of people, than sitting alone in front of the computer suffering and grinding away on his gigantic novels. I think he grew up a lonely kid, a lot of his characters are isolated and lonely, and he doesn't like being lonely. Sitting in front of the computer writing is a very lonely feeling. If you read his blog it seems like he's more of a TV producer who writes on the side these days. There is simply no way he'll be the one to finish the series at this point.

[@k45207]

7:28 what a insane thing to say, you did not coin the phrase “game of”. That’s like when Jennifer Lawrence said she was the first ever leading women to star in a action movie

[@gentlesavage2068]

I think at this point the only thing that could potentially motivate George rr martin to finish winds of winter is if enough people refuse to watch the other spinoffs and refuse to support all these side projects that martin keeps distracting himself with. The house of the dragon made martin too comfortable and the prospects of the other spinoffs being successful will make martin feel like he always has a safety net and an excuse to not finish winds of winter. Also even if the other spinoffs are good . They'll still never be able to make people completely forget about how bad season 8 was.

[@earlpipe9713]

Maybe if they took his movie theater hostage?

[@kasperbmathiassen]

Youve never written anything, have you? Sounds like you have no idea how a creative procces looks, how one finds inspiration and the drive to write. When and if he finished aDoS, impatient ungratefull entitled "fans" with oppinions like these should be forced to wait another 5-10 years to read it. You deserve it

[@7PlayingWithFire7]

Wdym comfortable? Why do ppl assume he's lazy? I'd rather write shit enjoyed by tens of millions plus I get to watch, produced with top end cgi, top notch acting, etc. I want to see twow more than any other show. But I get why he's more excited about the shows.

[@nh0522]

With hollywood, due to inflation, movies which made only a couple million many decades ago would be the equivalent of many billions today. Like gone with the wind made 4 billion adjusted for inflation, and star wars 1977 made 3.4billion etc. So there have been massive hits before in hollywood and its nothing new if you adjust for inflation.

[@kylekenyon5105]

Y’all are right but wrong about thrones fatigue. I don’t feel it with house of the dragon but when they fuck up dunk and egg and we still don’t have winds people are gonna get pissed

[@grants7]

Even if George finishes Winds of Winter which I don’t see happening for at least a few more years if that, considering it’s been 12 years now including all of the delays. He’ll never be able to finish A Dream of Spring, so the only ending we’re getting is the shitty one from the TV show which was god awful… at this point I’ve given up on him and don’t care anymore, and haven’t thought differently ever since.

[@PhilHug1]

If George is seriously working on all these spinoffs, writing additional lore books like Fire and Blood 2 or a Nymeria history book should be way easier. Gotta finish Winds first though…sigh

[@ev1677]

Buzzing for the spin offs where we get lords of great houses with ancestry of the first men and the andals portrayed as a gay disabled Nigerian man

[@HoofHearted88]

It's just interesting how the superhero fatigue just happened to coincide with Marvels intention to put forward more 'representation' and figured diversity bingo would qualify as character building. The main issue for such a fatigue to set in is when the creators think too easily of the story and figure they can work on auto-pilot, thus underestimating the audience. I don't think HBO (or at least George) underestimates the ASOIAF audience. As long as they take it very seriously there's plenty of mileage in the tank. The moment that changes though... things will fall down quickly.

[@7PlayingWithFire7]

I mean DC failed too, and it didn't have any representation stuff going on. So I doubt that. I don't care about the wokeness. I do care about how they don't take their time and make good products. Shang-chi is great, and it's post-endgame

[@HoofHearted88]

@@7PlayingWithFire7 Shang-Chi is also awful in my opinion. But my point is about the laziness and the wokeness replacing characterisation. In today's society women aren't allowed to be vulnerable anymore, as that's supposedly sending out a wrong signal. Women have to be strong. So that means no weakness to overcome, leading to a film like Captain Marvel, where the entire point of the story was that the entire world only had to realise how awesome Carol was. She didn't have to change, no, everyone else did. It's the principal Skinner meme on film. The point about the representation is that it overtakes priority over story. Films need to have diverse cast members, but the diverse cast members aren't allowed to be dominated. If someone has to be dominated, it has to be the white guy. If there's no villainous white guy to dominate, the villain also has to be misunderstood. All that diversity bingo spoils any form of storytelling. Character no longer takes first priority. And when character isn't the main priority, what even is there to get invested in as an audience? That is why Hollywood has alienated itself from their base. None of Marvels Phase 4 and beyond characters are like Iron Man or Captain America. They're all interchangable on paper. None of them stand out. What's there to care about?

[@Bmega81]

Trueblood was great for the first few seasons.

[@superstann1]

Marvel isn't about superhero fatigue but strong women fatigue

[@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin]

Yeah, Barbie really crashed and burned.

[@superstann1]

@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin yeah, avengers en game really crashed and burned, exactly the same logique you are using

[@hamoodyman9239]

I’m not a gifted writer like grrm. I have such a hard time believing that he’s written himself into a corner. The man expanded from 3 to 7 books because he had so much to say. I really do think he’s just caught up in the fame. It’s a shame though because I’d imagine he’d have a lot more fun working on these projects without procrastinating ASOIAF. Personally I don’t want to see any post-series sequels until George finishes the series.

[@SvenDzahov]

On game of thrones fatigue, this is a thing in basketball specifically called voter fatigue It’s like MVP voting in basketball, sure Lebron is great. He has always been great, every single year from like 2006-2019 he was likely the best player in the NBA. However voters get sick of voting for lebron lol

[@bungalowfeuhler1541]

I try to think of it like he’s a painter. I’m thrilled when he shares his latest painting, but I have no expectation for him to share anything.

[@MegaMacReal]

What’s the chance that Amazon and/or Tolkien people are paying him to not finish ASOIAF, for the sake of Lord of the Rings not then being deemed inferior to it?