Why Pro Street Photographers Choose These Lenses

[@GeorgeHolden]

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[@gregbrummett7762]

So refreshing to see a video about common sense photography. George does it every time. Thank you!!!

[@GeorgeHolden]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@thorstenjaspert9394]

I have a EF 28mm 2.8 and EF 50mm 1.8 for my EOS film canera. I need a 35mm. 28 mm is often to wide and the 50 mm is to narrow. 35 mm is very usefull for quiet everything. The latest EF lenses are incredible sharp, they can push the sharpness of film to the limit of each one.

[@carlmcneill1139]

I use a Nikon z6 II for street photography with the 28mm and 40mm lenses. Nikon's 28mm is small but I don't know if you could call it a pancake lens. The 40mm is slightly bigger but not by much. My first DSLR was a Canon T6s. I had a couple of reasons for leaving Canon for Nikon. Every manufacturer makes good cameras these days. They all have good sensors. I think it's a matter of which one fits you best.

[@GeorgeHolden]

Hmmm that is true, I am slightly curious to try a Nikon at some point (mirrorless I mean) but I'm so into the Sony system I'm not sure how I'd cope 😂

[@carlmcneill1139]

@@GeorgeHolden Nikon's new z mount can adapt Sony E mount lenses. It makes it easier to switch from Sony to Nikon. Nikon can adapt most other brand lenses. We can even adapt Canon EF lenses.

[@mynameisnotcory]

I tried a z5 the other day and was shocked hoe much i liked it. Was using a super heavy sigma 16-24 wide and the battery grip wasnt my favorite, but as a semipro camera it definitely had me eyeing a switch

[@raulal00]

eos-m (any of them) + 22mm 🎉 then also adapter and 40mm pancake... cheap cheatcode.... Canon just disconued these for selling more R 😂 nobody needs more really and were "cheap" (only for tv,.sports, etc). I like R8, but no reason at all, only for that iso 40.000 usable

[@sambarnes1226]

Hi, R6m2 owner here, you are able to use 10 bit recording without being required to use log. Just instead you're forced to record in HDR, Rec2020 color space. It's still not SDR Rec709, but I figured it would be worth it to throw it out.

[@Oxbowphoto]

Just last month I sold all my canon mirrorless and swapped to a new system based solely on the look and feel of the new system. I now take my camera pretty much everywhere and have really enjoyed the learning curve.

[@GeorgeHolden]

Which system is this new nice system you speak of?

[@Oxbowphoto]

@@GeorgeHolden the ‘L MOUNT ALLIANCE’ as Jared Polin would say

[@thedarkslide]

For a compact (and very affordable) RF mount full frame body, get a Canon RP. I've seen good ones used for around USD500 by now. It is by far the smallest full frame camera I have ever seen - although the Sigma fp might be smaller, but it has no mechanical shutter, no grip and no EVF.

[@robertsaunders5740]

I got a RP for Christmas just shot a wedding with it. Great colors.

[@lifetimesofamultiplemediam1003]

Thanks for this. I've been contemplating upgrading to the R system, with this very 28mm pancake lens. My 6D and 6Dmk2 are showing signs of wear and tear over years of use on the streets in the rain. I'm thinking it might be time to take the plunge, as the original R is quite small compared to the 6D. As for Canon producing an old style mirrorless like Nikon zf, or a digital rangefinder, dream on… It's taken them way too long to even realise that street photographers have specific needs like pancake lenses, or even small full frame cameras, much less rangefinders,. Come back in 2030, and they might decided it's a good idea by then. If I weren't so invested in Canon glass, I probably would've switched already. It's so sad.

[@GeorgeHolden]

I don't think you can ever be too invested in any system, you likely could get a solid set up from another brand if you chose to sell everything

[@lifetimesofamultiplemediam1003]

@@GeorgeHolden True true… Having said that, I'd probably get peanuts for my old gear, and I just can't be bothered with all the associated hassle.

[@datalaforge]

I like your videos! The first camera I bought was a Canon A1 and I liked it very much. Imagine a scenario where Canon partners with Kodak and releases a small (R8 size would be fine) FF retro camera with official Kodak film emulations.

[@GeorgeHolden]

Oooo that would be a dream! It would be amazing if Kodak, Fuji etc could license film simulation software to camera brands - similar to Apple CarPlay in many new cars...

[@Hangiinjohnny]

I was saying if they made a full frame m6 style body with the style based off their old rangefinder to compete with Fuji they would sell like hot cakes

[@venomiel]

what's with the canon hate ? i don't get it.

[@GeorgeHolden]

This is canon praise 😅

[@venomiel]

@@GeorgeHolden nono, i was referring to the introduction 😆. Do people hate canon nowadays ? 😯

[@CianMcsweeney]

@@venomiel hate is a strong word, but they're definitely not the most inspiring company nowadays. Body designs are bulky and kinda ugly, still not a ton of lens choices, and they have blocked all third party lens manufacturers from RF mount.

[@Mme.Swisstella]

Is it swiss

[@GeorgeHolden]

Is what Swiss?

[@Mme.Swisstella]

@@GeorgeHolden the placement is?

[@DirkMenker]

Why don't you just get a Nikon Zf? It's gorgeous!

[@GeorgeHolden]

Not looking to swap! Sadly video production is at the centre of my needs 😭

[@sailortoni]

Fuji Fuji y Fuji con jpg 100%

[@andrewpitts6498]

😂 Chortle

[@darrellbutler6179]

Eat a pancake every time George says pancake. Great vid George, I do love a 28.

[@GeorgeHolden]

Challenge accepted 🥞

[@khanceptbelal]

I don't know about actual range finder. But my favorite body style has been the sans-viewfinder eos m cameras. Fell in love with the original EOS M + 22mm f2, and later upgraded to the M6 Mark II. Personally, I think the ideal camera in terms of design, size and shape would be the R6 Mark II with everything that it has, sans-viewfinder. To bring it over the top, add gyro stabilization metadata into the files that can later be used in software like gyroflow and also give us the option for cinema DNG RAW (NONE OF THAT CANON RAW FROM THE R5C). It wouldn't hurt to port the 22 mm f2 to the RF mount either. I wish they'd continue the EOS M style with the RF mount on cameras like the r10.

[@lifetimesofamultiplemediam1003]

Canon are either just stupid, mean, or couldn't care less about street photographers. I still shoot street mainly with an M50, and M5 because everything else is way too big and heavy. I use a 7Artisans UFO body cap lens, on my M50, and the EM 22 on the M5, which means I can carry both in my side bag without problems. Canon refused to bring out a pancake 18mm for us street shooters who like to shoot 28, and so I am stuck using the UFO, which is pretty good if you're not into pixel peeping. So what does Canon do? They discontinue the M-series, and bring out RF. I refuse to switch as the M does what I want, further more, the M5 and M6mk2 have the flip up screen which is crucial for shooting street. All the other cameras have the flip-out screen which for me is just cumbersome to use quickly on the street. I doubt Canon will bring out a rangefinder, because they seem to hate us street photographers. I'm seriously considering switching to Fuji. Rant over…

[@TheLogicalphycopath]

Love my 40mm stm really wish they made an RF version. Funny my canonet ql25 and ql28 have similar lenses :D

[@GeorgeHolden]

Yess!

[@summertime5582]

I have the exact Canon zoom lens and I found it liberating, because I could not disturb the subject easier, isolate the frame with zooming and reach a composition, which would not be possible if I did it with a prime lens. So I guess it all goes down to skill and personal preference, because you can do incredible street photography with a zoom lens.

[@deanrobertnoble138]

I use it with Canon’s smallest full frame; the R8. It only weighs about 460g and is perfect with small primes. Also, it’s very similar to the R6 mkii in sensor, AF and processor.

[@bastian.michel]

Would you say this combination has a fast enough AF for toddlers?

[@sbclaridge]

I'm pretty sure that the R8 is one of the smallest full-frame cameras, period. Last I checked, at least in terms of weight (body only), only the Sigma fp L and Sigma fp are lighter. I'm not sure where the upcoming Lumix S9 (Panasonic's version of a compact full-frame body) will rank in that area, although unlike the R8 and the two Sigma bodies, the S9 will apparently have IBIS.

[@deanrobertnoble138]

@@bastian.michel Absolutely. The AF in the R8 is blazing fast and the tracking very sticky on the subject, too. It’s the same as in the very expensive R3, apparently.

[@GeorgeHolden]

Sony A7C would like to have a word 😅

[@Heart0rHead]

@@GeorgeHolden body sure, but Sony mount lacks true pancakes

[@gtaliano]

Why not an EOS M200 with the 22 pancake? just a thought....

[@IasKeysan]

I use the 40mm F2.8 XS lens for pentax, which covers fullframe. It's so sweet to enable the camera to be more travel friendly. 😍 It is 52g and 9.2mm thick.

[@Sundayinthelife]

I bought my Fiancé a Canon R50. It's tiny and has some really cool tech in it. I'd love to see you try it out and hear your opinion on it. It's interesting to see how companies like Sony and Canon are creating these more user friendly "content creation" cameras but seeing a professional with a ton of skill use the newer tech to its fullest. As well as keeping it simple in full manual mode and seeing if you can still get that classic street camera feel. Throw their pancake rf mount lens on there and it's a tiny setup

[@jspate61]

I would slaughter both my first and second born if Canon could do what you posit - a full frame mirrorless rangefinder with the sex appeal of those beauties from the long gone past. Cheers from Montreal QV😊

[@GeorgeHolden]

I too would make questionable sacrifices 😅

[@dirksterzik]

You are absolutely right that Canon is asleep. Fuji built one of the most beautiful cameras in 2012 with the X Pro1 and the x 100 series is completely overhyped, but a very beautiful camera. Nikon has woken up and is showing with the ZF that you can build a beautiful mirrorless full-format camera and people are celebrating it. A Leica is also beautiful, but the prices for the camera and lenses are perverse. There is definitely a market for beautiful cameras, but unfortunately they prefer to fill the cameras with even more technology. That doesn't necessarily make the photos and the photographic experience any better.

[@CianMcsweeney]

Would love to see Canon get away from the 1990's DSLR/SLR style and return to their roots with some rangefinder and more compact & stylish slr styled cameras. Kinda crazy that a company that used to create some of the most beautiful looking cameras now creates the ugliest lol

[@nicolasguillenc]

Here to complain once more about Sony not having that 27/28mm pancake…

[@TheLogicalphycopath]

Yes for the love of god make a canonet series rangefinder ez sell my word.

[@GeorgeHolden]

Imagine!

[@CianMcsweeney]

or they should make a digital Canon P, the canon P used the leica LTM mount (the mount before the M mount) and was a really cool rangefinder from back in the day, gorgeous camera

[@nitrocranium]

Got the 28mm for my R8. Superlight set-up, and if you turn off wi-fi, the smaller battery on the R8 is a non-issue

[@GeorgeHolden]

That's interesting re the Wifi on the R8!

[@bckupp18]

i love my 28mm

[@paultaylorphotography9499]

I shoot so many brands I enjoy them all canon for the newspaper day job love it never lets me down. For personal work all sorts of different brands. If I was to be pushed to having just two cameras for the rest of my worthless days I go with the Leica Q2 because it it absolutely amazing then to feed my nostalgia the canon L3 with the wee elmar is the sexiest camera I’ve used it just looks the part and the results are gorgeous. Hopefully tho I’ll never have to make that choice so much great gear available. Live once shoot loads 📷

[@paultaylorphotography9499]

Haha agreed a digital L3 with my film L3 happy days. One I’m interested in at the moment is the rollei 35af I have a film 35se awesome tiny camera I’m keen to check the update out asap.

[@rafaelunplugged]

0:58 wait til you throw the 28-70on it 😂

[@CanonEurope]

🙌🙌🙌

[@GeorgeHolden]

😄

[@HoLeeChit11]

I’m a Nikon shooter in the main, and I said the same thing, I wish Nikon would make a FF RF and a couple of pancakes like a 28 and a 35. A 35-45 MP backlit sensor, an optical/ electronic view finder, 6-8 stop ibis and built to the same quality standard as the Zf. So basically, what I’m saying is, just bleeding well copy the Fuji X100 VI. 😊

[@Home4520]

Great video! The 28 is a wonderful size, but my large hands can't conform to any camera body smaller than my RP/r10 setup. My pinky finger is the loneliest member.

[@PhilippeDHooghe]

Canon R8 + 28mm pancake. Absolutely fabulous street combo. Can take on a Fuji rangefinder.

[@GoGoGoRunRunRun]

I don't see zoom as another setting I have to get right and having a zoom lens actually feels "liberating" to me (and I worry less about potentially missing a shot, because I don't have to zoom with my feet).

[@paultaylorphotography9499]

Love that camera chart

[@TheNewArtSchool]

Excellent video! Yes! Product designers must look a lot more at the history of the brand they are designing for!

[@GeorgeHolden]

Absolutely!

[@Heart0rHead]

Why not R8 or RP?

[@GeorgeHolden]

They sent the R6ii!

[@Heart0rHead]

@@GeorgeHolden yes obviously, but R8 would be much better fit for that 28.

[@Steffe]

I shoot manybof my street photos with an 85mm lens on my Canon R, but the 28mm looks pretty good.

[@NerdsWorldNYC]

My go to is Canon 24mm pancake for street photography,does not draw attention. I also have the old Sigma 24mm which is a bigger prime but images are sharp!

[@GeorgeHolden]

Nice!

[@devin_starling]

WTF is a “pro” street photographer?😂

[@GeorgeHolden]

Easiest way of saying someone who has been practicing for a long time at a high level 😅 titles are effort

[@CianMcsweeney]

basically the 1% of street photographers who actually sell enough prints/books to do it full time, and even they usually still need to shoot regular event photography & do workshops on the side

[@jenslingspaint3523]

I really wish there were more pancakes that match the delight of the lumix 14mm and 20mm pancakes. I haven't enjoyed a full frame or even apsc pancake as much since. Honestly, I'm half thinking of getting another GX1 just to play with those two lenses again.

[@GeorgeHolden]

Got to say the Sony 20mm for apsc is equally as enjoyable, but yes the Lumix 14mm pancake is a dream!

[@dazedpig]

It's a shame you didn't get to try the 28mm on the R8 body as it's a tiny street combination that does nearly everything the R6 II can. It's perfect on a wristrap and I can carry all day and not notice the weight at all. The lack of IBIS isn't much of an issue for me as I'm shooting 1/500 minimum most of the time for street. If they'd just make the 40mm pancake in the RF mount now it'd be my perfect two lens set up for the foreseeable future.

[@GeorgeHolden]

The R8 seems to be a big favourite for a lot of people!

[@andrewsorrell2924]

have been waiting on a full frame sony pancake for a while. now I am waiting on canon to make a full frame compact haha

[@GeorgeHolden]

You and me both!

[@40mmSummarit]

Love the video. BTW, try the R8, much smaller and lighter and a joy to use.

[@GeorgeHolden]

Cheers! Yeah the R8 looks very interesting but think the battery would bother me if I were to have two bodies as it's different to their other full frame bodies

[@mtmccornack]

I'm not gonna lie... i love me a prime pancake, too!

[@GeorgeHolden]

Tasty and effective

[@lorenschwiderski]

I have the Canon 28mm -- don't like it. My copy is not sharp. Nowadays I am shooting mostly at 40mm with the Nikon Z5 camera -- love it. The Nikon 40mm is muffin sized and light in weight. Sharp enough. Nikon dynamic range is far better, and the RAW files can be played with much more than with the Canon RP. And the Nikon Z5 is a tilt only screen. For wider shots the Lumix GX9 + a Leica 15mm which are pretty sharp. Another great street camera. In film cameras, I do have a Canon TLb. --- yes, built like a tank, and a nice metal, cold to the finger feel, is great. They should make a Canonet for the street camera, in digital, with an updated Canon sensor. The color is there, the dynamic range less so. On sale, the Nikon Z5 + 40mm lens combo is a gift. A Nikon Z5 for $996 USD and lens for $277 USD -- come on man, a giveaway price!

[@GeorgeHolden]

That's interesting! I found the 28mm sharp enough, but who knows I do use bad lenses most of the time 😂 Very interesting re Nikon dynamic range, I may need to try a Nikon mirrorless sometime soon

[@GeorgeHolden]

Also, agree on the Canonet idea!

[@TungstenOvergaard]

Canon will listen to you!

[@GeorgeHolden]

I wish!

[@EJej-z5g]

You could have expanded your skit to include smartphones. For street photography, they are not just great, they are the best. Here's why: 1) ultimate compactness, beats ANY compact camera 2) stealthiness, no one is surprised by a person with a smartphone in hands 3) you won't ever have to leave the street, live on the streets while editing and posting your pictures. Capabilities are sufficient. For example, a 28mm f/1.8 lens, OIS, PDAF, RAW, and manual controls is what I get on a 2+ year-old smartphone, not even a flagship version, for less than $200 pre-owned on eBay. Yes, maybe not as much resolution, and there's noise, but that only matters for pixel peepers. You can still take great photos and even make large prints. And you don't need a professional camera to do professional photography.

[@GeorgeHolden]

Interesting! For me they do completely remove any fun from photography, they are great with amazing quality and flexibility in focal lengths these days but I find the usability to be very frustrating - don't you?

[@KimeeZM]

For me, touch screens never do what they're told, but smartphones make plenty capable cameras, if you can deal with the frustration.

[@EJej-z5g]

@@GeorgeHolden I can't say the quality is amazing; it is rather sufficient. As for usability, it depends on what you value. I like quick and accurate autofocus, and a quick response to the shutter button press (whether it's the volume key, touchscreen, or wireless button - no difference). That's an improvement since some older models didn't perform that well. RAW continuous speed is around 2 fps, but it keeps shooting RAW continuously for about 18-20 frames (and not every DSLR I had could do that). JPEG/HEIF bursts are, of course, crazy fast. Any manual setting I wish is available, and it has pretty good auto-metering too. It can be used as a point-and-shoot camera safely. The resulting RAWs are as raw as they should be and allow for some highlights restoration. That's usable, I'd say. I don't know what's important in usability for you. As for the fun, all digital stuff is generally less fun than, say, shooting and developing film, or crafting your pinhole cameras or custom lenses for DSLRs. I did all that, and it was really fun despite not being so usable. If fun means struggle and failures, then, you see, some people struggle with the touchscreen and the uncomfortable grip of smartphones (by the way, there are grips for smartphones with a shutter button and even a power bank inside). So a smartphone can be seen as a fun challenge. I've heard some people complain about top-grade cameras and lenses being too boring because of their perfection.

[@shred3005]

I've long thought that Canon wins the ugliest camera award. Any modern Canon.

[@edscmktg]

And yet, Canon is still the clear global market leader. Maybe your industrial design preferences need to be more open-minded.

[@paultaylorphotography9499]

😂😂 I’ve shot canon for the last 20 years on a daily basis shooting for newspaper I can’t fault them at all but good looking sexy cameras they are not haha I much prefer Nikon Leica olys etc maybe it’s because I see the awesome canons as work tools whereas other personal gear I have I actually find them sexy as fek saying that I have a canon L3 rangefinder now that is gorgeous 📷

[@arminbreuer7968]

I‘ve been using a 550D since 2013 or so; now I have a Sony A7II, and when I look at the Canon now I feel like she‘s not a looker, while I find the Sony fetish level sexy.

[@dimitrijekrstic7567]

​@@arminbreuer7968 damn these camera incels are something else 😂 such a lack of intimacy that they started fetishizing cameras!

[@GungKrisna12]

Maybe since Canon decided to make EOS line in 1987 for their autofocus SLRs?