Fashion Expert Reacts: KPOP FASHION SUCKS 😱

[@georgehollins]

Kpop Fashion Sucks had some really interesting points, and this reaction has opened up a wide topic of conversation so please let me know your thoughts in the comments below 💕

[@electrohawk1]

Funny how that person says "Shock Factor" and "gimmick" when the title of their video "Kpop Fashion Sucks" is literally click-bait via shock factor and gimmick title.

[@kiwispace8041]

I think men's fashion can be exciting, however I tend to notice that men fashion, especially in kpop, is only innovative and exciting when it involves women clothing or feminization in general, like crop tops, half skirts or waist chains. I would like to see some good new men's fashion that doesn't rely on women or feminine things in order for it to be not boring.

[@cindymx02]

I usually dont go based on someone elses opinion specially someone like her who doesnt know about fashion.

[@mmorikca3927]

Looking forward what u can say about Zhang Yixing in Grandline cloths collection,❤thank u

[@Luisa-wb1uz]

honestly when she said "male idols fashion is boring" I was immediately thinking of Stray Kids' and TXT's recent looks for the year-end performances because their looks are so freakinf detailed with so many different cuts and styles it is actually quite an insult to the stylists

[@CheerUp2]

BRO RIGHT

[@Cristyface]

FOR SURE. Stray Kids has really caught my eye with their fantastic looks.

[@kimschuler2906]

Right. Stray kids, TXT, BTS, and many other male groups use color outside of blue or black blazers. I dont know what she has been watching but her opinions seem to be based on a very small sample of groups.

[@CheerUp2]

@@kimschuler2906 ACE is also a great example of interesting mens fashion

[@kimschuler2906]

@@CheerUp2 Exactly. I dont like this womans video because to me it just sounds like she only has seen certain kpop groups on the surface and hasnt deep dived into multiple groups. I dont think she knows that most if not all groups have a theme to their records as they come out.

[@Mello_Loves_Mujin]

K-pop menswear is NOT boring.. Some stylists do play it safe (mostly for red carpets), but I’ve never felt all of k-pop menswear is boring because of that.. There’s so much great and experimental menswear out there in the industry, I don’t think she’s looked far enough.. I think the original creator is a girlgroup stan though, so I’ll take what they said with a grain of salt..

[@Mello_Loves_Mujin]

Honestly, I think some people see a suit and immediately think boring without looking into the details.. or they see a t-shirt and jacket and think “plain” without truly having looked at the look.. In my opinion, in a lot of men’s fashion you have to look a bit harder to spot just how amazing a look is, because often it’s less (extravagant? Poofy, floofy.. Idk, what to call it, just think less embellished) than female k-pop fashion..

[@georgehollins]

Yeah I don't get it but I guess if you're a girl group stan you aren't gonna pay that much attention

[@georgehollins]

Yeah agree with you, menswear is all about the details where as womenswear isn't so much

[@galllowglass]

I thought it was particularly unfair the way kai was there the whole time while she was talking about that. He's pulled off so many creative looks.

[@vctria]

I know right, the same people who says menswear it's boring, throw hate when they dress up more "experimental", the little things make the difference

[@tatendatombe1529]

I choked on my juice when she said men's kpop fashion is boring. I stan Shinee especially Key. Do I need to say more🤔

[@Mello_Loves_Mujin]

I know right!! I think she hasn’t looked deep enough into k-pop men’s fashion.. There’s so much creativity out there if you just look past “oh, it’s menswear”

[@tatendatombe1529]

@@Mello_Loves_Mujin exactly like what George said it's easy to just look at it and think oh it's just a black suit but when you look at the details that's what takes it over the edge

[@georgehollins]

I knowwwww! Taemin, Kai, Mino, GDragon, The8, Key to name a few haha

[@DizzyLuv0]

Same 💀

[@sayuriakirayuu7944]

As a shawol for 10 years already I can totally agree, throught the years one of the things that I like the most of them beside the music it's the fashion. Always bringing unique and cool outfits, especially knowing that Key made many of the outfits that they wore in mv and stages

[@sohaila9068]

Honestly, ive always been more interested in women's fashion since im a woman myself and used to think mens fashion was a bit boring because i never payed much attention to it, but ever since i started watching your channel, and actually paying attention to recent menswear runway looks, i would def disagree with that.

[@georgehollins]

Yessss this is what I love to hear! I think that's the thing though, if you don't wear it, you aren't going to pay it that much attention but men's fashion is definitely far from boring

[@Chadmon1]

She showed Kai looking fabulous while she called the style boring, I got distracted by him and it just proved it wasn't boring. Haha.

[@delusionalmilkshake]

She used the worst video and band to make point about man fashion being boring.

[@Megan-bw5zh]

The "they're just skinny" part actually made me mad... I myself am certainly not size 0, but I would never accuse idols of having "only skinny privilege and no fashion sense". Of course a look made for a tall, slim idol wouldn't work on someone with a different body type. But that's what fashion is about! Making a complete outfit that will match and accentuate a particular persons beauty and their figure. A good styling is a highly personalized one.

[@xLittleNekox3]

THANK YOU! I feel like this gets overlooked so many times. Just because something "only looks good" on someone skinny doesn't mean it isn't fashion. It should be a point to take the body type of the person wearing the clothes into consideration.

[@lightningdoughnut4880]

Someone had a similar take so im just gonna copy + paste my reply but- I get where you're coming from, but and I don't rrly agree with the statements in the OG vid either, BUT its important to mention that its so much easier to "look good" in more outfits, if you have the body for it. Of course, you have to style and outfit to work with your body shape in a way that's flattering and emphasizes what you want it to, BUT skinnier bodies ARE the beauty standard, and as a person on the chubbier side myself, its obvious some outfits only "look good" on skinnier bodies. That being said, as trash outfit is a trash outfit and it being on a thin person won't fix that. But fashion trends cater towards thin people and bc of that its easier to 'pull off an outfit' when your thin.

[@xiayu6098]

@@lightningdoughnut4880 personally I think a lot of fashion is just weird the things u see idols wearing u would rarely see anyone wearing (at least stage wise) period and a lot of those fits can fit on fatter ppl it’s just a matter of normalizing it and sometimes the taking into consideration that many people who aren’t just slim will want to look good in your fashion I just feel like the way the persons video went on about it was rly rude and it felt directed at the idols and skinny ppl instead fashion is much more complicated than your body type if u take artists like Megan thee stallion or lizoo into account they show of their body’s just like any star who’s rly skinny would but for a normal person it might feel embarrassing or sm because people aren’t open to the idea of just wearing whatever u want when you don’t have the ideal body type usually idols in their daily lives will be Fashionable with out going to over the top like almost anyone can wear a crop top and jeans or a shirt that goes of the shoulder or a trench coat whatever it’s just a matter of wether your comfortable and if u think it looks good on you I don’t think the fashion itself is a problem I think the way we perceive it on different body types is if u get what I mean

[@rainbows5232]

even if youre skinny, people have different body shapes, different rations, some have long and some have a shorter torso. if you have wide shoulders and low cut wont look flatering. its everything togther, the clothes with the body. also you skin color, some shades work better for spesific skin tones, its not just about matching clothes, its also mathcing it to the person

[@renzniji7993]

PREACH!

[@azdawn264]

I don’t agree with her point on “it’s not an outfit, they are just skinny” simply because fashion will differ depending on your body type. Just as a woman with a pear body type won’t look as good in an outfit made for a woman with a ruler body type, a plus size body probably won’t be able to pull off an outfit curated for a smaller frame. These outfits are put together specifically for WHO is wearing them, so obviously it’s not going to look good in everyone else. I believe the lack of diversity of body types in kpop is a problem, but just because someone is skinny doesn’t necessarily mean they aren’t fashionable. For example, I am not curvy at ALL, and it’s something I used to be extremely is insecure about(and tbh im still working on it). Everyone else in my family is rather curvy, and the clothes they looked good in looked absolutely stupid on me. But I came to learn the reason I felt so ugly in all the clothing I wore was because I wasn’t dressing for my body type. I started wearing A-line, wide legged pants, and started choosing tops that were more flattering on my figure. I’m still in the process of discovering my style, but I’m glad I learned to stop comparing myself to others. Of course the dress that looked so perfect on my cousin looked bad on me, that dress was made for an hourglass figure, which is what she had and I do not. I think I may be rambling, but I guess what I’m trying to say is, what looks good on one person might not look good on the next, but that doesn’t make it unfashionable. And please don’t feel insecure in yourself and your body, and don’t shy away from experimenting with your style. My style has helped me gain confidence I never thought I could have. This got way more autobiographical than I intended it to, but I hope you understand what I mean ^^

[@O_Ciel_Phant0mhive]

I feel the exact same way. Totally agree with your point because it actually has some ground.

[@lanagri1983]

You say that different outfits will look good on different body types, but that's not her point, or what "is it a good outfit or is she just skinny?" means. The point is that skinny and attractive people will get praised for having mediocre/trash outfits, just because they're attractive and skinny. The actual outfits, on these skinny and attractive people, aren't good. Yet people act like they're fashion icons for wearing jeans and a hoodie. It's not just about body types, but about the actual outfit no matter size or body, and the outfits aren't actually good. But people act like the outfits are good, just because the idols are skinny and attractive. It's not just about body type, but about the fact that people will praise skinny/attractive people for mediocre outfits, even though the outfits aren't good. It's about skinny privilege.

[@azdawn264]

@@lanagri1983 you make a really good point, and for the most part I agree with that sentiment. However, I disagree with the k-tuber’s opinion on fashion in specifically the kpop industry . First of all, I don’t think the outfits idols wearing are generally mediocre and/or ugly, because based on what I’ve seen, there are plenty of idol groups who explore lots of different genres and sides of fashion, and I don’t believe that they all only rely on being skinny. Yes being of skinny does help them appeal to the public and market off of their clothes in ways that wouldn’t be possible with other body types, but generally speaking I don’t think being skinny is the ONLY thing idols have going for them in terms of fashion. All that to say I agree with you about the skinny privilege, but not about the general fashion in Kpop. But then again I am no fashion expert, so take my words with a grain of salt. The second thing I would like to touch on is that I believe she is using the term “they aren’t fashionable they are just skinny” in the wrong context. That term was coined in reference to the famous fashionista’s and fashion icons that fit today’s strict beauty standards, and was intended to pose the question “are these people who we idolize for their sense of style really fashionable, or are they simply conventionally attractive?” The problem I have with the k-tuber bringing this point up in her argument is that we are talking about idols who, for the most part, are not dressing themselves. Usually, their stage outfits are being curated and perfected by professional stylists who are putting together an outfit to fit that idol, and the concept they are presenting on stage. The purpose of “they aren’t fashionable, they are just skinny” was to criticize our society for putting these influencers on pedestals and calling them “fashion icons” when their sense of fashion is pretty mediocre, and the only reason they reached such heights is because of their skinny figures. This idea doesn’t really apply to idols, as they are being dressed by stylists for concepts, and typically have creative control over what they present themselves in. There are exceptions, but i am speaking broadly. This is all my own opinion and you are totally welcome to disagree with me, but yeah for the most part I disagree with what was brought up in that video. I do think fashion in Kpop is spectacular, it is one of the many things that caught my eye and caused me to fall down the rabbit hole. I am not well versed in the fashion world, but from what I can see, I do love a lot of the looks and styles shown in the industry. There are some valid criticisms of kpop fashion, but I have a lot more appreciation for it than I do distaste. Edit: grammar

[@queerlibtardhippie9357]

The phrase isn't about the clothes being made for skinny people, it's about liking the skinny body.

[@blank-xs2qs]

periodt

[@margarida6857]

I had the opinion that male fashion was boring because I didn't know that the focus was on the details. I was used to seeing female fashion, a lot of big silhouettes, a lot of extravagant colors and things like that so when I looked at male fashion I thought it was boring and repetitive. I still think it's repetitive but I don't find it boring anymore especially in their music videos, they are very creative so yeah what you explained, George is true.

[@georgehollins]

I think this is the thing, if you're not into menswear or wear men's clothing then you aren't gonna to pay attention to the details or creative differences. I think male and female idol fashion can be repetitive but neither are boring haha

[@isiaadiel3468]

I'm a plus size lady, used to be petite in my teens, and the "they're just skinny" argument is so bitter sounding whenever I hear it. Fashion is made for each type of body, and trends live in every body (the bralette trend for petite women, the peplum trend for plus size, etc.). Invalidating someone's styling because they are thin is just rude, and it is just as demeaning as when it is done to plus size women, if not worse since Kpop idols do not get a choice in what size they can be to survive in the industry and suffer from severe EDs in some cases. Also, comparing things people where in an airport or out minding their business to a styled look for an event is unfair.

[@lanagri1983]

You say that different outfits will look good on different body types, but that's not her point, or what "is it a good outfit or is she just skinny?" means. The point is that skinny and attractive people will get praised for having mediocre/trash outfits, just because they're attractive and skinny. The actual outfits, on these skinny and attractive people, aren't good. Yet people act like they're fashion icons for wearing jeans and a hoodie. It's not just about body types, but about the actual outfit no matter size or body, and the outfits aren't actually good. But people act like the outfits are good, just because the idols are skinny and attractive. It's not just about body type, but about the fact that people will praise skinny/attractive people for mediocre outfits, even though the outfits aren't good. It's about skinny privilege.

[@springrolls-tm5qj]

I think the point should've been worded with "are people going to consider you fashionable if you weren't skinny" and it would've made the point more agreeable. You can be the most fashionable person in the world but not have the idea body and be absolutely dragged to filth by the public, but skinnier people are often praised just for wearing a crop top and jeans because it mostly doesn't even come down to the fashion, it's about everyone wanting and praising that "perfect" body.

[@hiidupiidu3292]

@@lanagri1983 what is a mediocre outfit? What criteria are we using here to define a "good" look from a "trash" one? No idol has ever been praised by the fashion community for wearing jeans and hoodies. I have seen plenty of very detailed and well thought out looks be criticized with the argument that the looks would only look good on "skinny" people and it honestly upset me quite a bit. I am not skinny but this argument does not make sense to me AT ALL..

[@hiidupiidu3292]

@@springrolls-tm5qj Yes idols can considered fashionable when they're not skinny. Have you not heard of Hwasa or Jessi? Also, when has anyone ever praised someone's fashion sense if they were only wearing a crop top and jeans? All of the most iconic kpop looks are iconic for a reason..they're all incredibly detailed and personalized and would a hundred percent not look even half as good on another "skinny" person. ps. Idols do get praised for having "perfect" bodies but that doesn't have anything to do with FASHION, even when the stans are the ones doing the praising.

[@springrolls-tm5qj]

@@hiidupiidu3292 Did you... read my comment? There's a clear dichotomy in how skinny and fat people are treated in the industry (both entertainment and fashion.) It has nothing to do with me, it's the truth. Koreans always have a lot to say about Hwasa's style/outfits and while of course that happens to all women in kpop, fat or just not totally skinny people are always gonna be subject to more criticism than skinny people, that's because of the way the outfit looks on you. And personally, I don't even consider Hwasa or Jessi fat, they're literally a normal weight.

[@tatendatombe1529]

When it comes to the length of the dresses I read an article a while back and the stylist was saying sometimes the idols themselves request for that specific length and people end up bashing the stylist but sometimes it's what the idol wants. I get where she was coming from but I think she hasn't really taken time to look at the kpop fashion icons and try to breakdown how they get to their outfit choices. Some are dressed by the stylist yes but others like Key build their own personal style not even from crazy expensive clothes.

[@georgehollins]

Yeah that's a very fair point! I guess people go for the stylist because we don't know how much the idols collab with the stylist. If they want a short ass skirt then good for them haha!

[@tatendatombe1529]

@@georgehollins I think the idols are somewhat shielded from the backlash because everyone assumes it's the stylist but there is one time Key pulled up one of his hilarious airport outfits and he admitted that it was all him and he was too greedy to make headlines for his fashion so he over did it 😂😂😂

[@brandyjohnson738]

@@tatendatombe1529 but sometimes I don't think they should have backlash if they want a skirt that's a little bit you know short. As long as it's comfortable it looks good on stage I don't care what the hell happened.

[@user-mg4tv9ty1o]

I believe you are fashionable if you can dress in a way that looks good on you, not on a model. If you follow a trend but the colors and fit of the clothing doesn't look good on you, I personally don't think you are fashionale. You can't say someone doesn't dress well just because they are skinny. They dressed in a way that looks good on them, but that doesn't mean that it's going to look good on everyone.

[@symon9847]

I like the way you have put this into words. Those skinny idols she is referring to dont have to be shamed for looking good in an outfit, i think the real problem is that skinny people usually have a wider variety of fashion that is tailored to their bodies that would look equally as good on someone plus sized if they had access to it.

[@georgehollins]

Yeah agreed with you! It's all about dressing for your body and incorporating trends. Being skinny doesn't immediately make you fashionable

[@lanagri1983]

But that's not her point, or what "is it a good outfit or is she just skinny?" means. The point is that skinny and attractive people will get praised for having mediocre/trash outfits, just because they're attractive and skinny. The actual outfits, on these skinny and attractive people, aren't good. Yet people act like they're fashion icons for wearing jeans and a hoodie. It's not just about body types, but about the actual outfit no matter size or body, and the outfits aren't actually good. But people act like the outfits are good, just because the idols are skinny and attractive.

[@hiidupiidu3292]

@@lanagri1983 lol im laughing at this point..

[@delusionalmilkshake]

@@lanagri1983 i agree with you. Some things are gonna look better on certain body types, but like you said, there are cases when someone skinny puts most basic outfit on and are called fashion icon while someone who isn't super skinny gets called lazy and unfashionable. There are many videos here on youtube that point that out.

[@marly24]

About her safety shorts point, I personally love wearing shorts skirts and dresses and I’m sure some idols do too, so I think safety shorts are a great way to allow them to wear whatever while feeling protected. And thank you for making this video!

[@kpopgangstajamswagnojams1531]

same here, I enjoy wearing short skirts and dress.

[@briarchoi31]

I feel like her point on that was rlly stupid considering women in the US wear teeny tiny dresses and skirts without safety shorts, so why do Asian women not get to wear the same dress with safety shorts? Tiny skirts and dresses has been a thing in western fashion for like 15+ years why do ppl nit pick Asians for doing the same?

[@sleepysheep8753]

@@briarchoi31 She’s not talking about regular people, she’s talking about k-pop idols who have to dance and perform and have a bunch of cameras on them at all times. Trying to perform and dance while your safety shorts are out in the open can be uncomfortable and hinder them from giving their all.

[@briarchoi31]

@@sleepysheep8753 Her talking about kpop idols IS the issue, all dancer do that not just Asians most western dancers will perform on stage in the equivalent of a bra and safety shorts with nothing over it, when dancers perform on stage a huge part of the preparations is picking stage outfits they will compromise comfort for looks most times to make sure there outfits look good on stage any trained dancer will wear a body con dress with safety shorts because most will and have worn the same without safety shorts her attacking Asians for giving idols safety shorts when that’s not only normal but actually better then a lot of western dancers standards for outfits Yes I’d like idols to be comfortable but attacking a country and ethnicity for wearing stage outfits that aren’t sweat pants is absurd and racist they are wearing completely normal stage outfits these are not absurdly uncomfortable or revealing they are completely average and once again twice as conservative and comfortable as most western celebrity’s stage outfits Doja cat dances and her and her backup dancers do performances in nothing but bedazzled thongs and bras let’s stop excusing racism because we don’t like the specific outfit a idol is wearing the dress’s are fine and so are the safety shorts

[@sleepysheep8753]

@@briarchoi31 She never said that k-pop idols had to perform in sweats nor was she comparing them to American idols. She never made any demeaning comments towards them as Asians either so idk why you think her comments are racist in any way. She simply said that their outfits should be comfortable enough for them to perform to their fullest and dance. Just because certain idols like Doja or her dancers are comfortable performing in thongs doesn’t mean k-pop idols can’t feel uncomfortable wearing more than that. She only said the stuff she said about making things longer because Korea is much more conservative than the west and many k-pop idols are visibly uncomfortable when performing in short skirts or dresses. Either they limit their movements, constantly pull down the skirt or dress, cover cleavage with hair, etc…. In no part of her opinion did she state their outfits had to be ugly, unfaltering, or sweats to fix this problem. She simply said the outfits should be slightly longer so idols aren’t visibly uncomfortable.

[@odisleftpaw5663]

the "men's wear is boring" point would've been more valid if we were talking about western celebs but kpop idols literally go out of the box so many times that even someone that isn't as interested in male fashion; like me, can tell

[@Taylorc0de]

bruh- many western celebs literally go out of the box but as a kpop fan myself I don't think they do anything out of the box. Most of their are inspired or almost identical to many celebs and models

[@boyfriendforevvv]

@@Taylorc0de I absolutely disagree. There are so many tweets from locals saying "why can't guys wear this" and it's an outfit that has already been done by Kpop male idols before.

[@Taylorc0de]

@@boyfriendforevvv umm.. bruh- this doesn't prove anything. Literally none of those outfits are out of the box. Y'all are delusional and plus Idc if you disagree

[@boyfriendforevvv]

@@Taylorc0de Fashion is subjective. No one is delusional just for genuinely liking and thinking outfits look more creative than others

[@Taylorc0de]

@@boyfriendforevvv lmao I never said fashion isn't subjective. I am just saying nothing they do is out of the box.

[@Sabrina.l_]

The only thing I kinda agree with in the video is the super short/uncomfortable outfits for live performances. Chungha, Dreamcatcher are great exemples of great styling but outfits also put together as to let the girls perform comfortably. I've never seen bad styling on either Chungha or the members of Dreamcatcher. The only boring fashion for me is red carpet fashion so she was right about that I guess.

[@georgehollins]

The red carpet fashion can be boring but sometimes is absolutely slaps!

[@kentokim]

Oh my god I have to disagree with her. K-pop men's wear is not boring. I actually think it's more interesting than the female idols (as female idols have more restrictions). Sure maybe the idols aren't taking risks but they are serving some killer looks. I have also noticed that many of them over the year's have developed their own styles and be more sure of their fashion choices, which is interesting and satisfying as a fan to witness.

[@georgehollins]

Yeah I agree with you. There is definitely a double standard for male and female idols and it makes you wonder what fashion we'd see from female idols if this double standard didn't exist

[@scorpiojoong]

ateez didn't do all that for boygroup fashion to be called boring 🤨 no but in all honesty interesting points, i mostly don't agree but there is always room to improve even in kpop fashion

[@georgehollins]

Yeah definitely. Huge room to improve in the west haha

[@cynwashere]

I actually agree with her comfort over fashion statement when it comes to kpop because a lot of times these idols have to perform a hard choreo with outfits in which they look uncomfortable and stiff in which ruins the performance which comes to show how there’s certain types of clothing that just isn’t suited for dancing and that’s perfectly fine. You also can look great and fit the concept of a cb while being comfortable but not necessarily have to wear unflattering clothing

[@yourstrulylene2122]

Exactly!!

[@letyv9071]

I don’t think the word should be comfort but just safe clothes. Clothes that won’t uncover places that idols don’t want to show or be super tight. That being said it doesn’t have to be 100% comfortable yet can be still be safe clothes.

[@cynwashere]

@@letyv9071 it is important they aren’t too revealing as well but I still think they have to be at least a bit confortable so they can move freely but not necessarily 100%

[@sarahbelleinca]

exactly! i just think of irene in that infamous green dress trying to perform red flavor and tugging down her dress every 3-5 seconds.

[@briarchoi31]

I agree I just don’t like how it comes off like she’s only targeting Asian fashion considering western artist wear waaaaay more revealing stage outfits and dance as well I think people shouldn’t only target Asian artist for revealing stage outfits when the US has twice the problem, it makes it come off slightly racist/ignorant which is not helpful for the point which is that artist Asian or western should be comfortable/safe in there stage outfits

[@aqsah14]

I’m actually sick of this “it’s not fashion she’s just skinny” narrative as if every “skinny” person can pull off looks equally. It’s all about how you carry an outfit and your aura. Are slimmer people not allowed to be praised for how they dress without being called out for being “skinny”? feels a little sketch to me. Fashion is subjective anyway so…

[@georgehollins]

I totally agree with you. It's about how you carry yourself and as you say fashion is subjective. You can't take an outfit off one person, put it on someone else and think it will look the same or as good. It makes no sense haha

[@ReptilianTeaDrinker]

I'm skinny myself and used to get bullied for it, despite not being able to help it. I don't look good in some things, because some clothes drown me or just don't work with my body shape, so I have no idea what that person is on about. She sounds like some bitter person who hates skinny people to me and she went off topic a bunch of times, like when she mentioned the fringes on hair, instead of talking more about clothes. Her "opinions" just sound like ignorance. I admit, I like womenswear mostly since I am a woman, but in recent years, I have found menswear quite interesting and cool, especially some of the clothes male kpop idols have worn, like BTS for example. They wear some great outfits and there's some nice detailing on them.

[@lightningdoughnut4880]

I get where you're coming from, but and I don't rrly agree with the statements in the OG vid either, BUT its important to mention that its so much easier to "look good" in more outfits, if you have the body for it. Of course, you have to style and outfit to work with your body shape in a way that's flattering and emphasizes what you want it to, BUT skinnier bodies ARE the beauty standard, and as a person on the chubbier side myself, its obvious some outfits only "look good" on skinnier bodies. That being said, as trash outfit is a trash outfit and it being on a thin person won't fix that. But fashion trends cater towards thin people and bc of that its easier to 'pull off an outfit' when your thin.

[@aqsah14]

@@lightningdoughnut4880 I’m also on the chubbier side, would 100% be considered fat but I think it’s silly. Even as a fat person something can look good on another fat person but look like shit on me! The same goes for “skinny” people, I’ve seen an outfit look good on one person but another person who had the same body type did not look good in it at all- its all based on YOU. I don’t really see where the aggression comes from… what do these people class as fashion or being fashionable? It makes no sense to me at all

[@antukinann1070]

@@aqsah14 I agree i’m a bit chubby but wearing crop tops make me look bad and ugly but when I see my classmate who wears the same crop top I see that it looks good on them like. when I was skinnier I was body shamed for it but I gained weight I was called fat both have been criticized by society and that girl who said that fashion is only good for skinny people? I guess she really has inferiority complex towards skinny people

[@SoshiStars]

*just letting everyone know you don’t always need to have lots of “money” in order to be stylish, someone who’s thrifted clothes could potentially look so much better in comparison to someone who is wearing designer.*

[@georgehollins]

You don't need money to be stylish! Just because you can afford an all designer outfits doesn't mean you have style or taste hahahaha

[@SoshiStars]

@@georgehollins preach!

[@kdawgsblawg2661]

Regarding to the "skinny" statement, there's an Instagram account (I don't remember the name) where two women, one of them more lean and the other with more curves, wear the exact same clothes from the same brand and display how these outfits would look on different body types. They always looked gorgeous in all! There are times where I, personally, find an outfit to look slightly better on one over the other (and vice versa), but overall, they rocked the outfits with confidence.

[@demi4632]

It’s more of an insult to themselves. They’re essentially saying “I couldn’t wear that because I know I’d look bad.” Like have you tried? Do you know for a fact that if you tried that outfit on you wouldn’t love the way you looked?

[@lanagri1983]

But that's not her point, or what "is it a good outfit or is she just skinny?" means. The point is that skinny and attractive people will get praised for having mediocre/trash outfits, just because they're attractive and skinny. You might think they both look good in the outfits, but people will only praise the skinny/attractive person, not the overweight/unattractive person. It's about skinny privilege.

[@vishisc14]

Her "male idol fashion is boring " got me Jungshook , I think men's wear is more interesting than of women , that's why we all are here right .

[@georgehollins]

Jungshook omg I'm dying hahahhaa

[@vishisc14]

@@georgehollins haha this is something every Army knows 😂

[@devianmills1575]

@@vishisc14 ehh I don't know about more interesting (no offense to men's wear)

[@vishisc14]

@@devianmills1575 aah choices can differ , atleast I like men's wear more than women .

[@devianmills1575]

@@vishisc14 but women can't control what they where tho like ok-

[@tartali2956]

One thing that I also want to point out: there is not just a difference between plus size and skinny but also tall and petite. I genuinely think that petites are the most underappreciated body type when it comes to fashion (as apparent here as we are discussing mostly weight and sorta ignoring height). I am skinny but I can't wear over half of the clothing taller people can wear cause I am a petite (152 cm). To be fashionable, in my opinion, means to dress for your body. And in some cases that means you are not able to wear specific clothing types without looking ugly in it (or having money to make proper adjustments). As an example, I would love to wear a big princess gown if I ever had a wedding but due to my body type I would look absolutely horrible in it. The fact that I cannot wear my dream dress is just something I have to accept. I disagree with the idea 'You're not fashionable, you are just skinny' but I agree with the idea 'Fashion is made for (tall) skinny people'. And it's the latter that is the issue and that needs to be changed. We need variety in normal fashion. Sometimes people say I could just buy from the kids section but I don't think people realize how humiliating it is to buy kid's clothing for your adult self, especially considering we are already treated like infants. Also, let's not forget how difficult it is for petite plus sized people.

[@aishwaryas2631]

Did I really heard her say male idols fashion is boring 🙂 damn I feel sorry for her... I'm an EXO stan and Kai a world fashion icon ......well anyways.......😌

[@georgehollins]

Kai is a prime example that men's fashion isn't boring haha

[@xxxx-rx7co]

i cannot stand when people quickly start to bandwagon hate after something becomes popular or normalized. we still live in a society where men wearing traditional feminine clothes is frowned upon to the point where they get homophobic comments because of stereotypes, even when theyre straight. i believe even after it being done more often, we should still be proud and happy about male idols wearing this stuff. not complaining that "its overdone" just because youre edgy and different than the others.

[@celinahatton2653]

Agree soooo much. Like, is there a people limit on things? 349 men are allowed to wear eyeliner, but that's it. If any other man wears it, it suddenly looks 'whatever' on him because he's man number 350? It's such weird gatekeeping. Just let people wear what suits them and brings them joy without some weird qualifier of whether or not they're on the right side of the imaginary 'this look is overdone' divide.

[@Humanoidfrenzzy]

Yeah, I agree, I mean, fans don't have to overreact because their bias is wearing any of these items and all of the sudden he is the fashion saviour of the planet, that's overkill. But let's be frank, treating it like a normal thing and giving them compliments with a smile wouldn't kill anyone. Kindness is free of charge after all.

[@cindymx02]

I think she just has the common view that fashion as boring or weird. The fact that she stated she doesnt know fashion ended it for me.

[@georgehollins]

Hahahahah!

[@shyamalidas2815]

I'd really want to see the fashion sense of the person behind this... I wasn't aware of anythin like this but this is ridiculous.The moment she said k-pop men's fashion is boring I knew she knows nothing abt fashion. Kpop literally made me realise that men's fashion can be as diverse and as beautiful as women's fashion. I was tired seeing male celebs in the same Black, Blue n whites barring a few...n then came these men rocking jewellery,diff silhouettes,diff textured fabrics..This may be an unpopular opinion,but I find kpop male idol's fashion better than kpop female idols.I agree abt is the safety shorts part. I'm not a fan of the female idols' outfits that are deliberately made to be too short but I understand that's what the beauty standards are like n Kpop is not just abt singing or dancing a huge part of it is visuals and if that's what is visually attractive to the audience,I can understand that.

[@steviruby]

I extremely agree with you, I love men's fashion in kpop, sometimes i wanna wear their clothes too.. and their suit is not just like another plain suit.. they always come with something different, the detail an everything...

[@kpopgangstajamswagnojams1531]

I agree! after I became a kpop fan, male fashion is better than woman fashion in kpop

[@raijuan2586]

I studied fashion as one of my major subjects in my third year in fine arts school. The person speaking just felt like a know-it-all Twitter kid.

[@k_u8169]

The thing with this "is this an outfit or is she just skinny" trend I mostly run into on TikTok (but like a whole bunch of these videos) is that it's mostly the negative stuff. Like there are a lot of "one size fits all" (well not all but most) outfits skinny people wear but they usually use the ones that look better on a skinnier person, for I believe the shock factor. And I just can't seem to understand why a slim woman can't wear something that specifically fits her type. Why can't a skinny girl wear an outfit that can't go with curvier women? And why are we questioning if it's an outfit? What may be an outfit for a slim woman may not be one for others. Why is dressing for your body type so wrong when it comes to slim people? I do understand that media platforms often shove "omg this fit is so good, she's a fashion icon" down our throat when in reality she isn't, the woman herself is pretty and considered attractive by our modern day beauty standards. But I don't get why we have to shame skinny women for this and not the media. And this comes from a fat girl, I ain't 50 kilograms before someone pulls the "victimizing herself when she's privilaged" card on me.

[@nikkishy3024]

Tldr: Rather than say "they aren't fashionable, they are just skinny", it is more accurate to say "it's much easier for skinny people to be fashionable". "It's not fashionable, she's just skinny" is worded...badly. Everyone has a different body type and like you said, it is partially dependent on that. Personally, to be fashionable, they need to have a good personal style too and incorporate an awareness of their body type. If one wears a "fashionable piece" but it looks bad on their body, we can't call them "fashionable". It is very shallow to say that they aren't fashionable because they are just skinny... It is just that we live in a society where the fashion industry is more targeted to slimmer body types, hence why they'd look better on them. It is something that is chsnging and hopefully more people have the chance to be "fashionable" once more options are available to them. Rather than say "they aren't fashionable, they are just skinny", it is more accurate to say "it's much easier for skinny people to be fashionable".

[@lanagri1983]

But that's not her point, or what "is it a good outfit or is she just skinny?" means. The point is that skinny and attractive people will get praised for having mediocre/trash outfits, just because they're attractive and skinny. The actual outfits, on these skinny and attractive people, aren't good. Yet people act like they're fashion icons for wearing jeans and a hoodie. It's not just about body types, but about the actual outfit no matter size or body, and the outfits aren't actually good. But people act like the outfits are good, just because the idols are skinny and attractive.

[@nikkishy3024]

@@lanagri1983 Idk who you are talking about but redvelvetsus clearly says something about how most of the fashion isn't about the clothing itself, but the body it's on. Nothing about what you are saying about idols wearing the bare minimum of tshirt and jeans. The clips they also included never showed any of the "bare minimum" effort outfits you are mentioning? And the video they referred to was about how non-skinny people couldn't replicate "fashionable" outfits, hence concluding those outfits aren't actually fashionable. But fashion has never been about replicating "fashionable" outfits, instead it's about LOOKING fashionable in something you wear. Fashion should be individual. I have seen plus sized people rocking amazing outfits, but they'd never look good on me, so should that subtract from how fashionable they are? We just live in a society where more things cater to skinny people and it is EASIER for them to look fashionable. Unfortunately, non-skinny people will just need to spend more effort to explore and experiment because their options are fewer. Being fashionable includes self awareness of one's body type. My sister is skinnier than I am, and so she really fits tshirt-dresses better than me. She also layers on accessories and I say that's fashionable. But just because it doesnt look good on me, I never once called her "just skinny". Conversely, I fit cropped tops better than her. But we dont see the flip argument of "she isnt fashionable, just has bigger boobs"? Hope this makes more sense ^^

[@symon9847]

I would also like to say,, this video simply doesnt give me enough examples. I feel like she is making some broad points with too vague of language and sadly isnt giving specifics. I'd assume that when critiquing fashion in kpop she would actually go over the 'trends' shes talking about and talk about what she doesnt like about them. Like school uniform concepts or velvet suits or chokers, just give us something to work with.

[@kenken-tk5nr]

I think most of kpop idols aren't really skinny just because they want to fit in on korea's standard. Non-stop training/practice and schedules and lack of sleep can also be a factor on an idol's figure.

[@georgehollins]

Yeah I agree with you, any different factors that contribute and you never know what's going on behind closed doors!

[@demi4632]

I feel as though that was just an ignorant comment. I’m Korean and we’re the thinnest country on Earth. I’m not talking perfect bodies, flat tummies, ect… but it would be difficult to walk down the street and find an overweight or obese person in Seoul because of our genetics and diets.

[@samtae6217]

@@demi4632 Yeah, I feel like that's an east asian thing and doesn't only apply to Koreans. Also, how was that an ignorant comment if you're literally agree with her that other factors like genetics and diet play a big role in kpop idols being skinny?

[@xiaovi.0753]

@@samtae6217 I think the comment was being aimed at the video that was being reacted to in this video

[@shell9918]

there are countless stories about idols/trainees eating nothing but ice cubes for days, eating 800 calories, all sorts of crazy diets, etc... and we're talking here about ppl who train for well over 8 hours everyday and STILL have to do these crazy diets. so no, just working out isn't enough to reach a size of a 4th grader when you're an adult and if anything, it's further proof that being THAT skinny isn't natural or healthy. this comment is ignorant.

[@mcneeeeeil]

How can you say male idols wear boring clothes? SM has some of the best stylists as well. I also don't think they put skirts or crop tops on male idols for the shock value. Stylists use skirts to accentuate the idols' movement when they dance. They're also not sticking boys in tennis skirts and calling it a day. Would everyone know how many abdominal muscles Kai uses for a body roll if he had a long jumper on in Tempo MV? I rest my case. I would agree if she'd said that female idols styling isn't the most innovative. Korean society is still very conservative and patriarchal making female idol's clothing an easy target for vitriol. However, I feel her attacks are lazy. She either talked about personal preferences or made sweeping statements that aren't all that accurate. For instance, female idols tend to skew on the shorter side and one of the biggest reasons why their stage fits are short. I agree that a tight mini dress isn't the best choice for a dance heavy song, but comfort isn't the answer. Maybe a sequinned hot pant lol. There is a case where money really matters. Some of the smallest company seem to pick randoms of the streets to style their groups. Their lack of skill is especially on show when it comes to guest appearances. Some girl groups will have the most tragic looks on weekly idol. Someone needs to inform these companies that a steamer is a worthwhile investment. Also the idols they used for their examples aren't even known for being particularly fashionable. Maybe they're very popular, but they're not getting praised for their personal style or serving fashion forward looks.

[@georgehollins]

SM ALWAYS pull it out the bag when it comes to styling and visuals. NCT, aespa, Kai, EXO like c'mon now!

[@xiaovi.0753]

Hard agree on all of this!! Not to mention male idols who genuinely like wearing skirts and crop tops like Yeonjun from TxT and Hongjoon from ATEEZ

[@mxar2074]

The video discussed here recently popped up in my YT recommended as well, however I didn't feel like watching it because there are so many videos like this on YT of people just criticizing and coming across as quite negative and even bitter at times. Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion. However making blanket statements about a huge variety of complex topics in a video that's not even 10 minutes long is something that's quite unneccessary, especially when the viewers don't gain anything from it. I don't have a background in fashion either, I have my own opinions as well but I really don't feel the need to broadcast my opinions in such a negative manner. I would have appreciated it if "redvelvetsus" had gone into more detail while researching these topics. What I did appreciate was your respectful and informative response to her claims and statements, I agree with the expert on this one 👍

[@nina-df3md]

That youtuber is always negative 🥴

[@dudubraids]

Being a plus size girl myself I’ve always been able to be real with myself and understand that certain styles and shapes just don’t work with my body type. Now granted, I have had my moments where I’ve felt that if I were slimmer that I would’ve been able to wear a look better. But the whole “they’re not fashionable they’re just skinny” line is just dumb and it only came about because tabloids and fans were labeling boring outfits on celebrities as fashionable for promotion. Saying that, it is incredibly easy for skinny people to be dressed in looks that are horrible for their body type and the same for plus sized people. Knowing and understanding your body type and wearing styles that enhance rather than retract is such a useful skill to have. Personal style and classic/timeless pieces will always trump trends.

[@lucasbieber9051]

That Aespa AAA red carpet outfit was so cohesive. Everything looked right, just with individuality. It all gave like this goth look(idk what it's called) and the outfits really looked nice on the members. I feel like a lot of that video was just nitpicking and she didn't make that many good points

[@georgehollins]

Yesss aespa looked incredible! I get what you mean with the goth vibes

[@balloontune4185]

With the safety shorts opinion I would have to agree to disagree. They should make sure that they make dresses longer and still try to make them fashionable. Like safety shorts aren’t meant to be shown off unless it’s a skirt you described in the video. And comfort should come before fashion in a sense of making something longer or more appropriate with still a sense of fashion. (Appropriate in a way where the idle is comfortable)

[@RedditchRamblings]

^^^^

[@delusionalmilkshake]

Yeeeeees 👏👏

[@lovelyy6491]

honestly even if fashion trends get overdone in kpop industry, i still find it more fun to look at than anything that's going in the western music industry. and it was with kpop that i realized there's more to men's fashion than what i previously thought. i think kpop stylists do a good job. now the "this idol's not a fashion icon" i think it comes down to how whenever an idol is seen at an airport, for example, fans will probably love wherever look they're in simply because it's their idol. and also when you're a fan you're most likely to be in a certain bubble online for the most part and if you see your idols wearing fits you've never seen before it could be you're just not that into fashion to know where they took that from, and i wouldn't bash those people for thinking their idol started a trend or this and that because they're in a bubble and will praise their idols no matter what

[@gabyesco4115]

I remember watching this video and disagreeing (at least to an extent) with many of her points and you’ve perfectly articulated my exact thoughts. One thing to note with cohesion - maybe it’s just me but it always seems to be much more of an issue on red carpets (vs stage looks) and for girl groups and I have no idea why.

[@georgehollins]

Yesss Gaby! Yeah I'm with you on your cohesion point and it makes no sense because they way you'd style them is the same. Maybe they have different stylists for stage and red carpet who knows!

[@berry4937]

i kinda agree with the safety shorts part? your example was an exception which was really good. but as a gg stan i've seen way too many outfits where the dress is way too tight and short. like just a little bit longer would be better. but i do agree with everything else you said.

[@minholic2390]

I do not cuz that's not safety shorts! that's a simple cycling shorts and they do wear safety shorts under it like even if the dress is long it would be hard to perform especially in a tight dress which are mostly short so I think it's fine even if they're visible idk how to explain it better

[@georgehollins]

That's fair, I used that example as it's a great example of when the safety shorts work as part of the outfit but yeah, an extra few inches on a hem line won't hurt 😂

[@galllowglass]

I think the point about 'skinny fashion' has some merit to it. But the thing is: it's grossly oversimplified in the original video. She said something along the lines of 'A lot of kpop idols are not fashionable, they're just skinny.' But you can't separate a person and the means they use to express themselves. Yes, they've got skinny privilege. They probably wouldn't have been able to debut if they didn't have a certain body type. But are their views and their unique approach to fashion, to art, not their own because they're skinny? I don't think so. They're probably heavily influenced by their privilege, but it's still their own views. (I thought it was particularly wrong to only use that shot of Jisoo there. Blackpink are notorious for the effort they put into their fashion)

[@antukinann1070]

I would disagree with the skinny privilege I was skinny before but still got body shamed and when I gained weight they called me fat so it’s not about being skinny to get your way in everything but mostly pretty privilege

[@boombayuna536]

not every skinny person looks good in their outfit + often only one type of skinny is accepted as "ideal" - when you have a big bust, tiny waist, flat stomach but also pronounced hips and a big butt and slim legs. i've always been a very skinny person but i honestly look like a stick, no bust, no hips, no butt and my stomach isn't really flat either. and i don't look good in a lot of outfits and styles. that statement isn't 100% true, she honestly just sounds bitter.

[@oki__]

As a skinny person myself thanks for some of the validation, especially in the comment section, because honestly I’m sick of hearing so called ‘body positivity’ etc. being used as a cover up for people to shame skinny people 24/7.

[@Humanoidfrenzzy]

My mum has always been skinny and I've heard and witnessed a lot of the awful remarks people have given her over the years, I just want to say: Keep your head up, you don't deserve any of these mean spirited comments from anyone, don't let anyone walk over you. The people who claim to be body positive making such comments or attempting to invalidate you in any way, that is not positive, it's bitter and cruel, ignore them as best as you can. I hope you have a great day, take care.

[@mono-mq2ph]

with the whole comfort i think she meant part of serving a look is being confident about it . but so many female kpop idols when you watch them preform you can tell they're more concentrated on their dress/skirt not riding up than the performance. so it's not pleasent to watch and they can't do proper choreo with certain outfits so it's a shame

[@msSweeTae]

I haven't watched the whole video yet, but I absolutely agree on the short dresses and skirts. You can look sexy without showing too much skin. We still love their performance when their dresses and skirts are longer. It also makes it so much easier to perform, because you don't have to constantly think about your next move. And the "K-Pop fashionistas" I know are called like this, because they're exactly that and not because of their weight. Key from SHINee, GD from BigBang, HyunA and so on. The reason for someone like Rosé being invited to the Met Gala was most likely not her sense for fashion, but because of her popularity.

[@georgehollins]

Yeah exactly! A skirt riding up around your hips is gonna make it harder to move. I didn't like how you can disregard people saying they don't actually have style, they're just skinny. It makes no sense to me

[@rickay4549]

I believe she was a designer’s plus one actually!

[@nelenalove247]

Rosé was invited by Anthony, she was basically YSL’s plus one.

[@msSweeTae]

@@georgehollins exactly! The way she explained it makes it sound like as if every style has to be fitting/suitable for every size to be considered as fashionable. Some styles look better on skinny people, some look better on people with curves. I haven't watched the video she referred to, but you can make certain styles be fashionable for plus size people if whatever piece of clothing is adjusted. I think H&M is a good example. They offer "H&M+". They don't just size things up, but they also adjust the cut of clothings, etc. Little disclaimer: I'm wearing 44/46 in (german) EU size, that's why I know how complicated fashion can be for plus size girls.

[@msSweeTae]

@@nelenalove247 thank you for the info! But isn't it still because of her popularity? *I'm not bashing Rosé. It's about the person in the video talking about fashion icons. There's a difference between "fashionistas" and ambassadors for a brand, because of their popularity or whatever reason. It seems like as if she thinks that's Rosé got invited simply because of her style.

[@eunikehalim92]

its not uncommon for a group to have assigned stylists for members individually, some of them also went to different make up or hairdo salon because of the number of the member in the group. also, brands not always endorse all the group members. and we know that sometimes they can really depend on endorsement more than buying their attires because it can be so costly. so in that case stylists have the responsibility to keep the relationship with a brand/ endorser so that idol can keep going with the fashion industry, keeping their personal brand values and such things. if not, they will be cut, not only the idol but also the stylist's carreer would be at risk. sometimes they just don't have the choice and even have to use clothes they dont like.

[@sookiez1269]

Why are some of you guys in the comment section acting dense? Skinny privilege in kpop literally exists some stage outfits are horrendous but are put on a pedestal because of the body that’s wearing them I’m even gonna give an example : when jeongyeon gained weight ppl acted like her styling wasn’t good when in fact it WAS it just didn’t give the illusion of an hourglass because she wasn’t as skinny as the other members ppl bashed her outfits for the scientist comeback saying that “ the stylist deserves to be fired” even though if it was put on an skinny person it would be a “slay” and “twices best styling era” I’m going to add even another example go on any k fashion and k beauty accounts and found how many skinny people are just wearing a graphic shirt tucked into a pencil mini skirt and some converse, and watch how many people love this and think it’s such a cute outfit but think it’d look wrong on a bigger body even the arthoe, vaporwave aesthetic of 2016 was heavily influenced on your body type and how synched your waist was gonna look in that one belt with holes in it.

[@thesparks00]

Could it be that the stylist didn't take into account the body? Body and fashion ARE correlated. Why are people faulted for finding certain things very pretty and other things not? Then when people have the "pretty" trait, it's called "privilege" and they're "unfair" to others? We just have different ways of looking fashionable and pretty. Fashion has different spheres to accommodate people of different bodies and there so happens to be more spotlight on the skinny sphere, maybe we should look at average or plus-size spheres for fashion inspo to make things even.

[@sookiez1269]

@@thesparks00 if you are looking at the same two outfits on different people and one is “y2k” “trendy” and “runway worthy” and the bigger person is not treated that way is when it become weird fashion doesn’t = dressing 4 your body type it just= dressing and making it look good non skinny people shouldn’t have to dull down how they want to dress because it won’t have the same effect on people that a skinny person wearing it would’ve. take the “twilight ” aesthetic for an example that’s resurfaced on tik tok people who weren’t skinny where told the outfits didn’t “hit the same” or “something seems off” when they wore it despite the applause skinny people got for the exact same outfits “dressing for your body type” has always rubbed me the wrong way because ppl with the “ideal” could wear any of the clothes that bigger women are told to wear to accentuate their body’s but in a socially acceptable way and it’s still be received better because fashion is still catered to skinny people 🧏🏾‍♀️

[@fernandaanez9133]

As a SHINee fan I don't understand the concept of "boring menswear".

[@Aubadide]

As a Shinee fan, I was just as surprised that there is such thing as "boring menswear"

[@brandyjohnson738]

Yeah I don't understand that.

[@queenblossom9452]

In my opinion, her saying comfort comes before fashion isn’t her saying they should come out in leggings a sweater or something, it’s just her saying they can still be stylish while not ruining their concept. There have been so many times where poor idols especially female idols have had to deal with uncomfortable outfits that just affect their overall performance, and in my opinion idols can still be comfortable while having a very fashionable outfit that fits their concept as a group.

[@MeAmLoveU]

i mean for the topic of "is it an outfit or is she just skinny" i disagree to the video.. because literally an outfit is fitted and coordinated FOR that idol's body type including their height so ofc it wouldnt work for a different body type and height. thank you george for the reaction, i agree on your words so much.

[@xoluciaxo_3721]

Also people keep talking about skinny privilege or like that it only looks good on skinny people but they dont realise ‘those skinny people’ are actually all models who work out a lot to have their body look that way. I myself and veryy skinny but i definitely look nothing like the models in those pictures and those clothes wouldn't look good on me either. Their livelyhood literally revolves around how they look and how they look in clothes, what do you expect

[@eliseesbjornsson4981]

I actually agree with comfort before fashion when it comes to stages. There’s so much styling you can do with pants, shorts and longer skirts. I’ve seen female idols look uncomfortable dancing with their outfits due to constantly having to pull it down way too many times.

[@taetaes_teacup1810]

"male idol fasion is boring". Straykids,need i say more.

[@georgehollins]

YES

[@fawkes8497]

As a female with no fashion background: No, male kpop fashion is not boring at all! For some outfits you might have to look closer to see the detail that makes it special but (in my opinion) this isn't a bad thing nor does it mean the outfit is boring. I have actually taken quite some inspiration from male idols outfits for my own style because I like how they combine, layer and accessorize Also, I agree that trends are often aimed at skinny people, but I really dislike the "is it an outfit or is she just skinny" trend/thingy. An outfit styled to look good on a skinny person might not look as good on some with a different body type. Same goes for outfits styled for curvy people, ect. (In my opinion) a good outfit is usually fitted for the body type/proportions of the person wearing it and for what they want to show concept wise (as well as maybe wanting to show off a specific part about oneself - accentuate long legs, make a unique hair color or vibrant make-up stand out ect...)

[@isabellereffas3679]

BTS V started wearing pearls necklace before Harry Styles. So much of K-Pop fashion is groundbreaking with men not afraid of wearing skirts, extra large clothes, vibrant colors, the list goes on. This YTuber clearly has no idea what she's talking about. Not liking the fashion is one thing but pretending it's boring and all the same, hell no.

[@yourstrulylene2122]

Do you realize that what you are doing with v is the same thing ppl are doing with Harry styles? There were many more men who were wearing this type of jewelry before v too!

[@kpopgangstajamswagnojams1531]

@@yourstrulylene2122 They are just saying on ex: that Tae wear it before Harry. Of course, other wear those jewelry before.

[@PizzaLoverShirley]

As someone who has a body similar to those of female kpop idols (skinny), i really don't agree with the skinny part because put those clothes on me and i'm sure i won't be able to pull it off as well as they do, or i could give off an entirely different vibe.

[@zuu876]

i absolutealy agree that menswear is more about the details. i felt it myself when i started incorporating male clother into my wardrobe, which made me realize that the blazers that might look exactly the same make completely different impression on me when i wear them bc of the detailed silhouette that actually differs and makes one suit me perfectly while the other one just looks 'meh'.

[@glaciemdraco]

Yeah, the original creator is ... one of those girl group stans. Like someone suggested, I'd take anything here with a grain of salt, as they would be biased towards only certain girl groups (as those type of fans mostly are). Still nice to see you perspective, though.

[@daniross2820]

As someone who his AFAB but is Genderfluid I actually love men's fashion over women's fashion though I still enjoy outfits desgned for my gender assigned at birth. I also love that k-pop will mix looks regardless of the gender of the idol wearing said outfit. Also when it comes to people talking about bigger women not being able to wear a fashionable outfits because they don't have the right type of body is a disgusting ideology. It would be nice if everyone could be thin and skinny but genetics don't always allow that and not everyone can just drop the pounds just like that. Instead of focusing on a utopian world perfect skinny model work with people regardless of size and help them bring out their best features. The amazing thing about people having different body types is that you can have 5 people of different sizes wear the exact same outfit but the focus or fashion statement will be different cuz it compliments the person's natural figure and not what a sometimes toxic society wants to see. Whew that was a long comment but hopefully what I said makes sense. Also when it comes to fashion and the comment on guys wearing skirts or crop tops and doing genderfluid looks like Felix having long hair or thigh highs for example has me wishing we could see a vid where we take men's stage looks and talk about how to style it so that anyone can wear the look regardless of gender if that makes sense :D

[@georgehollins]

It just really makes no sense. Saying bigger woman can't be fashion and then that skinny women are automatically fashionable because they're skinny ... how does that make sense? As you say, the beaut thing about different body shapes is that different pieces will look totally different and it's all about dressing for your body shape

[@daniross2820]

@@georgehollins thank you 😊

[@jjasmineluv]

The 'Just skinny' argument is so mean and belittling. So what? They are dressed for their body type, not YOUR'S. Honestly I think its such a harmful argument; and away for alot of people to shame skinny girl's. Idol's are dressed according to their shape and size. That girl she's is so bitter.

[@NoName-dx1no]

Some idols aren’t dressed as nicely as their peers tho some stylists seems to struggle a bit for female idols with the apple body shape and some stylist’s execution on certain members can fall a bit flat but yeah just finding the right clothes for yourself has lots of layers like the Kibbe system where it talks about whether if your features are on the softer or sharper end, body types, body proportions etc. Tbh the whole the just skinny argument is kind of valid at the same time a lot of people just use that reasoning because they are jealous or have zero confidence or interest in putting effort or maybe fatphobic themselves like it’s confusing

[@jjasmineluv]

@@NoName-dx1no see that I understand and completely agree with but most the time I see people being super toxic and nasty. They just start shaming the girl for being skinny.

[@florasteffen9098]

I aree that being fashionable and being just skinny/having a body that fits the beauty standards is often confused, however I don’t really see how this fits into the whole “KPOP fashion sucks” point she’s trying to make, because it’s not something specifically about Kpop but rather a problem in our society and the fashion world itself.

[@lanagri1983]

How does it not fit? Her point is that kpop idols are praised for being fashion icons, because they are skinny and attractive. But the actual outfits aren't actually good ("kpop fashion sucks").

[@yourmuse7]

abt your comfort statement I agree w her comfort does come before I mean you can still stick to a concept while being comfortable and not having to wear a mini skirt. Ex: Redvelvets Psycho mv I think Irene was wearing pants and still suited the concept

[@shahdahmed9136]

Even for someone like me who has absolutely no clue when it comes to fashion knows that male kpop artist take more risks than any other industries worldwide (in my personal opinion). And she just had to say that point while EXO was on the screen!!!!! Thank you for the reaction,as always I learn a lot!

[@shakira7301]

The kpop menswear reminds me of those comments where people said the kdrama girl sang better than 'most' girl group idols. Inexperienced people shouldn't be acting like they've seen it all.

[@alexpiperhalliwell]

I think redvelvetsus is shirt-sided at times. Intresting points were made but they are very much points of someone who didn't put much thought into it. Menswear is boring and they are skinny are the main examples. It's fascinating that she shows Kai who is serving in this department and still say it's boring. I really can't take her point seriously because of that. I can assume she is girl group stan or just not that interested in men's fashion. Intrestingly enough, she goes after skirts and crop tops which diversify male idols outfits and yes it is been done by queer people but let me just bring up that South Korea is a conservative country it is indeed revolutionary there. I am living in a quite conservative country myself and I still get the point skirts, dresses, even pink is feminine and no men should wear them. I agree to some degree it is sometimes done for shock value but if you know men wear those clothes as well then is it really that shocking. I don't think so. Then, there is they are skinny point is quite ridiculous for me they are on diets obviously they will look skinny and then there are idols who aren't skinny and oh gosh so much fat shaming happens because of that. I like that she totally ignores that as it makes her argument pointless. Those idols really put their blood, sweat and tears to look like that. I would argue that sometimes stylists put idols in clothes that don't suit them well and further add up to fat shaming I mostly noticed it in case of Jeongyeon from Twice. I am impressed that she is a fan of Red Velvet yet she doesn't mention it because Wendy and Joy were fat shamed. It needs to be considered especially when you talk about fashion not to body shame. You need to consider the figure of an idol to judge the clothes he or she is wearing. I feel like kpop idols can gain weight and look amazing but some outfits make them look bad because they aren't suitable for them. Clothes should serve someone who wears them rather than just look good. In case of underpants it is a safety measure, yes she makes a point when she says they can make it longer, but indeed those outfits need to fit the concept and underpants aren't there to destroy the look but make sure no one sees their underwear. Dancers use underpants for awhile and kpop idols aren't just standing and singing like most of the singers but have to move. I noticed that Lil Nas X had clothes mulfuction lately and yes it happens to kpop idols as well. I feel like that's the point she didn't make at all but it can be problematic during performance. I feel that would mostly point that just because idols wear gorgeous outfits they aren't really reliable during performance. I can agree with her those clothes should be more comfortable but not at the expense of concept. The way she says they have money oh my most of those idols are in debts and it's the company which choses outfits. That point is ignored as well. Matching and coordination are valid points but then they aren't the same person it would be boring to put them in similar looks. Stylists aren't just working on one idol they change and some are more creative and some play it safe. I don't have an experitise on the fashion but I can appreciate amazing designs when I see them. Not every outfit will be a good one. There are hits and there are misses. I might be nitpicking at times but I feel like some points should be viewed from different perspectives.

[@corvettecorvettee]

I agree with every word u said lmao

[@MyUmer10]

About the safety shorts.... Longer dresses wont do anything. These ideals arent standing still in these dresses...they are Dancing. Safety shorts are a NECESSITY in this situation.

[@juliak1192]

I, personally, really enjoy men's wear, I may also be biased as I mostly stan male idol groups however I have not seen much of this repetitiveness that the creator of the video stated about it. There is always something added or changed with each individual idols look that makes it look unique when you look at it in depth whether its the see-through undershirt or some patterns cut out or painted on. I feel the only time any sort of fashion overlap happens is during concept overlap where 2 groups share a similar or same concept such as the school boy concept which probably has been done by every male kpop group under the sun at this point but even then there is some little bit of individuality that comes through for me.

[@hiragi1289]

what ever happened to “wearing what makes you comfortable in your body type”? like the whole “they’re just skinny” is fucking disgusting. what suits them might not suit or make you comfortable and that’s okay but you do not have the right to ridicule others for looking good in it because they’re “just skinny”.

[@lightningdoughnut4880]

I really don't get what she meant with the whole crop top and skirts in men's fashion. Yes originally and STILL its being used for shock value, but its not getting "boring" or "losing that shock value" its becoming normalized as a regular piece of clothing to add to an outfit. It doesn't always have to to be the big statement piece, it can just be a part of the outfit. Yes, queer men have been doing it forever, but skirts and dresses are literally normal for men of other cultures to wear in their traditional clothes FOR CENTURIES. Just bc western fashion and gender norms have made it seem like a skirt is shocking, literally most ethnic clothing all over the world for men have dress or skirt like elements. Bc those things being seen as a solely feminine thing is a very recent addition to our current understanding of gender. And crop tops were originally invented by men- body builders in fact (plz correct me if I'm wrong). Idek what she means, if you want something to be normalised, of course its boring. Because why would it cause any sort of special reaction or be praised if its just a normal addition to an outfit. And that's a good thing!

[@londonbordeaux]

these channels are so toxic which they took pride in it, they love being toxic, and they think their opinions are the shits, the kind of people who are on twitter all day to start a debate because they got nothing else to do with their lives.

[@coolioguy1535]

tbh when it comes to group, i can see that blackpink has a good stylist recently. They don’t wear same outfits but the concept is there, idk how to put my words but yea

[@georgehollins]

I get what you're saying!

[@demi4632]

I can’t stand the way none of their outfits match on stage. I get that’s it’s their “thing” and they’re all dressed to portray their individual images in the group, but it genuinely looks awful when Lisa’s dressed in a football jersey and baggy jeans and Jennie’s in a full Chanel tweed suit, both not matching the concept of the song in anyway. They can dress like a somewhat co-ordinated group while still looking like individual artists and representing their designers.

[@coolioguy1535]

@@demi4632 which one are you pointing at? the one you’re talking abt probably back then when they had the old stylist but now definitely they have the best performance outfit, i’ve seen the public’s reaction and they all love it. It’s boring if they have the same outfits just different styles like most groups would do

[@yunecorn3756]

When she said male idol fashion was boring you can tell she honestly didn’t know much about it. I honestly would’ve been the same if it wasn’t for this channel. I think that’s why channels like this are amazing. You obviously have your own opinions on what you think looks ugly or not but watching these videos has made me look at clothes differently

[@abbyl4621]

I wanna see George review shinee's view stage outfits bc that was when key was styling the whole group and he broke the standards for kpop fashion. At that time everyone was doing over the top and fancy stage outfits so for shinee to go for a casual skater look was outside of the box.

[@runumarabha4414]

About the last point that she made I think an idols personal choice /preference has some say in it. Like some idols personally incorporate there clothing or look they want for a specific day or occasion it's not always that the stylist would make them wear everything what they want them to and there are idols who choose there clothing themselves, where the stylist would just give him/her option on which one he would like to wear

[@lindiwek7215]

Mens fashion in kpop is actually very iconic I mean in terms of just stage outfits alone look at exo especially kai,yeonjun,g dragon , SHINEE I def wouldn't call it boring

[@queenning28]

The bottom line about safety pants is that it should allow the idols to execute their dance movements properly. Don’t give a female idol a choreography, and then make their skirts so short and tight that they can’t even move their legs. Like imagine if Aespa were given tight skirts all the time. It would ruin their intense choreography. Karina would not like that lol

[@varia2xg]

Honestly I kind of agree with the "male idols style is boring" obviously it depends and it doesn't apply to every boy group (thank goodness). I think the "boring" adjective is not the most appropriated word to describe it , more like "deja vu" and "repetitive". One of the only male groups that fashionably stood out for me these past years(?) is NCT. Their style and concept is AMAZING. Their outfits are one of a kind each and every time. They have concepts when their outfits are just very detailed and luxury like(lots of bling bling and accessories) and concepts more simples but still innovative and cool (in majority NCT dream comebacks). They have a lot of units (members) and do a loooot of comebacks every year , but they never 're-do' an outfit compare to groups that stick to certain aesthetic. for exemple MonstaX ( I love them), I can very hardly tell what outfit goes to what era since they all look similar. More recently , stray kids , I think their styling is good but repetitive these past months. Their stylist found what goes well with them and now they only use that. I mean, it's okay since they look amazing but I would like to see them in other types of outfits sometimes. And idk when it started but every year theirs always groups that do the "white shirt , black jeans and harness" THAT COMPLETELY DRIVES ME CRAZY. WHYYYY??? Honorable mention to seventeen , the Boyz, shinee stylists, great job !

[@arag9853]

Yes, i think this person who made the video, obviously is lack of various kpop boyband experience. Go back just one previous generation like 2pm, big bang, SHINee, and so on.. it's just i want to say .. hey wake up, what you see is not everything. 🤣

[@varia2xg]

@@arag9853 The previous generation omg unforgettable. Even if for a lot of people their style was "embarrassing" and a complete mess, I find it amazing and mesmerizing. There wasn't a single moment where you could get bored watching them perform. I miss first and second gen ...

[@rebeckaroy6790]

I'd love if you'd go more into detail at some future time about the overlap or meeting of Fashion and Workable performance outfits. Maybe it's because my background is more in musical theatre but I often feel like red carpet or daily fashion choices need to be looked at from a different viewpoint than designing for stage performance and concept there. When designing for a stage show (and kpop has always had a lot in common with musical theatre to my mind) it's all about concept and communicating/supporting an idea while also being practical and understanding what works for performers who will be dancing and singing. And if you haven't been a performer, it can be a lot more difficult than you might think. I just think it's interesting that fashion critique comes so much into looking at kpop groups clothing on stage when it doesn't much with ballet, musicals or other theatre/dance productions (maybe they aren't mainstream enough). I often feel that kpop stage outfits have more in common with costume design than general stylistic or fashion approaches. Those areas definitely overlap but I feel the nuances are different. Would love to hear your thoughts on that. Red carpet, on the other hand, or other publicity scenarios have different functions and goals and different.... rules? For lack of a better term :) Also, I wish her video recognised more of a distinction between "fashion icon" and "brand ambassador". A lot of idols have endorsement contracts or other considerations in their choices than just personal style. From a stylists' point of view, what are the considerations when a celeb is formally representing a brand? How does that affect their choices at large public events? And I do wonder how much of this differs from region to region and different parts of the world...

[@ireneserrano4570]

"Male idol fashion is boring, stagnant & extremely safe" well well well... i disagree. In my opinion, 1st of all, she should've deepened a bit in the kpop fashion if she was going to make radical statements about it. For example, she should realise that fashion is used with a purpose & in the Kpop world you should differentiate between fashion for MVs; fashion for music shows; for Live Concert/World Tours; for photoshoot for the album & merchandise pictures; for the member's campaign or collabs with fashion brands; for tv shows, awards & other events, the member's personal fashion... Saying male group's fashion is boring while showing one of EXO' Love Shot stages... at 1st look they don't look extravagant, pompous, not revolutionary, but why should they? Their fashion in this performance is related to their Love Shot MV, to their concept, and fashion must be coherent with it! we all know MVs show at least 3 or 4 different looks and those, or similar ones, will be used for the music shows. Also, boring, safe, stagnant... what does she mean? should they wear hanging beaf steaks type-of-outfits for everything? should they always wear fun, risky or revolutionary outfits? why? i mean, that is not the purpose of fashion & styling an MV much less the performances on music shows, specially when there is a concept behind (more so, a huge concept like SM groups). Also, "revolutionary"...? 1st of all that word should be used for important stuff like the domestication of plants & animals in the Neolithic, those kind of things that have a huge impact on Human History... but anyway, let's say that if Kpop used to show flamboyant outfits in the 90s and then you suddenly start using a pair of jeans & tshirts like SHINee did with View, then maybe that would be outbreaking, but not because they invented jeans & tshirts, they didn't, and not because they were the first in history to wear those, they weren't, but they changed the ways in kpop. So seeing Sehun & Chen in jeans & wool jumpers may look boring to some but it's actually not and it has a past & it has a purpose. Just as Kai wears croptops because, yes, it's the shock-value piece, but also he is the main dancer & it is a way of accentuating his body lines & movements, so there is a purpose. Stylists obviously aren't trying to be revolutionary every time they suggest croptops or skirts, they know history of fashion themselves. Taemin has worn many skirts or skirt-like outfits, but this person reduces all that to "stylists resort to use traditionally feminine items because male fashion is boring and stylists run out of ideas" naahhh they are actually playing with fashion in a broad sense & they aren't even aspiring to make them look as women, but the use of all those items have a purpose & the styling completes the image, the ideas & general concept of an MV or the artist himself. It's not that stylists don't know what to do about male looks, just watch Love shot.. other than the casual looks we see in the Mv, we also see some beaitiful + cool looks like the ones when they shoot against the "badguys" & pleeeease the outstanding beautifully tailored suits in different colors, textures & shapes for each member... Stylists know what they are doing with male kpop fashion. She also said that stylists don't know how to coordinate group looks while showing Aespa Savage performance images, does she mean that those looks (the ones from the end part of Savage MV) aren't coordinated? I'm not even sure what she meant by uncoordinated anymore. But if she watches the MV there are clearly coordinated looks like the light-colored ones when they dance with their aes. The looks she showed actually have a meaning related to SM concept & Aespa even mentioned about it! they have colors & imagery from other SM groups & their MVs like Nct, SHINee (&Taemin), SuJu, SuperM... *I had lots of stuff to say about that video, i mostly agree with your opinions, George. The issue about the fashion icons... wow first of all what's a fashion icon? who says who's what anyway? it sounds like she is the one who's tagging it as fashion ikons are just skinny and rich (rich as a synonim of inhave no style i only buy expensive clothes) but imo there are out there fashion icons not that skinny and even if you onl6 bought expensive clothes you could actually look awful (and yet, as fashion is also very subjective, ot might suit some people's taste and they could consider that person a fashion icon), it's not about the money but about a personal sense of style & taste. But, the body shaming issue is actually an issue in Korean society, their beauty standards in many ways.. So that topic should be part of a serious video about it. Overall i simply think she did that video for stirring up opinions & for the views, otherwise she would've been a bit more serious about how fashion is actually used & portrayed in Kpop industry, there's so much more to it, but she just threw some polemic statements & then try to fit some images to match her statements & nothing else... Also: Why should kpop fashion be revolutionary or radical? not even high fashion is that revolutionary or radical in general... If that was her main focus/point of course then everything in kpop fashion is going to be valued as cr@p. But then she shocked me when she said "i love a good stage outfit but comfort should always come before fashion"... whaaaaat? Contradiction?!? or maybe not? wouldn't having the idols come up to the stage on track suits, underpants and Abanderado tshirts + slippers be revolutionary? 🤣🤣🤣

[@pancajgivan3466]

In a video by kpop stylists where they explain the process of styling artists, they explain that during promotions and filming the artist has to have 22-27 outfits prepared. They also get concepts late as they are subject to change last minute or close to film date. Then they need to contact the designers or brands the artist is sponsored by to get pieces through them then get them customised to fit whatever it is for. Which with big companies and experienced stylists they can get done quickly. However it might be hard to do that in such a short amount of time with everything and trying to work that into the outfits having to be comfortable for the dances as well. It doesn't excuse the short and uncomfortable clothes idols have to wear but I mean other clothes. And certainly they should have award outfits planned better. But I'm just saying some insight on how much they have to work with so they can't always please everyone.

[@beaht4554]

you can clearly notice that this girl is showing an opinion based with negative intentions, in pretty much all her videos she manages to throw some shade on boy groups in general and blackpink specifically... on the "they are not fashion icons, they are just skinny" topic more than 90% of the pictures were blackpink members even tho they are not really a good example for it i could talk a lot about blackpink's impact on fashion but honestly I don't think that girl cares, she's just being hateful and about the male kpop fashion... really? how could anyone say it's boring??

[@amberarcadia]

On skinny people and personal style versus fashionability: you nailed it with your point about the body being part of the look itself. On the one hand every artist knows that the canvas is just as important as how you lay the paint; on the other hand, the critique is about how fashionability can be confused with desireability. Because idyllic body types and “hot” people are already aesthetically pleasing, it is easier to view their clothing choices as fashionable.

[@helenas7948]

Idols dress for their body type. Which is a slim body type. Not because they want to have so called "skinny privilege", but because they have to be fit to be able to dance for a long time. Expecting them to wear clothes which look good on people of other body types, not fit for their body type, is just stupid and has nothing to do with fashion.

[@ninjamo5098]

When I heard about the "BANGS" and "Male fashion are boring" I'm about to skip but I remember it's a reaction from my Guy George so move along but still F&*WFISHJ nonsense my GOD she should at least study online or just learned from experts on KZbin LOL.

[@justme8601]

Most horrible thing is people agreeing with her in comment section of that video.

[@xxxx-rx7co]

there are a lot of kpop fans with youtube channels like hers and theyre mostly girlgroup fans. they make these kind of videos, are just being mean, edgy and say things without thinking and surprisingly a lot of people will agree. its a toxic side of kpop for sure.

[@rileyroussin2772]

16:48 exactly. To add on to that yes there is fashion made for skinny girls, and though they may be the biggest representation, there's clothes especially made for all kinds of specific body types. There's also styles of clothes made to flatter all sorts of bodies. And yes it may be healthy for these "fashion icons" to wear the types of clothes that could work on anyone more often, it should not be illegal for them to show off their own body and wear the clothes that suit THEM the best. Like what? You want their clothes to suit YOU the best? That's a little bit selfish of her. She can go buy her own clothes.

[@maggi506]

I agree with the safety shorts, I hate them, it ruins the look and the concept. If the idol has to use a really short dress or skirt, at least make the safety short the same color of the outfit. That happens a lot to Twice, they are wearing colorful dresses but once they start moving, you can only see the black short abruptly coming out.

[@MonMonAg-95]

Regarding the first opinion on male fashion, I would have loved to see some examples of male idols in the difference fabrics and styles you were talking about. Regarding the opinion on idols being comfortable in their stage outfits, it seems like you essentially agreed that comfort, creates confidence and this is best for performing concepts, which is what she said too. Regarding the opinion on idols having the money to buy "fashion" I think you missed her point, she's was essentially saying, people see idols as fashionable because they wear expensive cloths and they shouldn't. Some examples on your end of idols actually looking stylish not necessarily expensive would have been nice too. I personally don't know any idols with a personal style. Though they always look expensive, I couldn't see an outfit and say "yes, I see this idol wearing this" Maybe some based on color schemes and brand but idols are generally not dressed based on their personality or personal style.

[@diannetapalla1645]

I so agree with what you said. I feel like it was all too generalised in the video

[@nialampani]

i think you misunderstood her point about wearing trendy luxury items as being equal to fashionable. she was actually criticizing that mindset and saying that not because of those factors a person is fashionable, yet she feels like kpop idols are often praised precisely for those factors.

[@nialampani]

actually i feel like many of her points have been kinda misunderstood on this video. even though I'm not a subscriber or watcher of her channel at all. i don't think she's saying people who are skinny are automatically not fashionable. she's just saying that the industry is extremely biased towards skinny people and she isn't wrong. we can't pretend the fashion industry doesn't treat a flat stomach as the key point of so many looks. on the other hand, many idols are just trend followers who don't seem to have a strong personal style, which isn't bad because not everyone has to be interested in fashion. but still that doesn't make them fashion icons.

[@thesparks00]

@@nialampani I feel like, although she had points to be made, she wasn't very good at making them. That, or her points were just disagreeable. I agree with what you said though, it was a bit different from her point since she did mention other things, but yours was very well-put.

[@odothedoll2657]

I think what she means when she says “comfort over fashion” I think what she means is that it doesn’t hinder the idols dancing

[@ningbangs4304]

the way they bodyshame them... it's not it.

[@demi4632]

Literally. Koreans are the thinnest people on Earth. We are naturally very thin due to our genetics and diets.

[@indigo--6936]

I think we shouldn't just make generalisations, I mean some kpop outfits really does suck but that doesnt mean that the whole kpop fashion also sucks, and about the issue about mens fashion and feminine wear, skirts and croptops have long been part of mens wear so there's really nothing new about it but that just proves that mens fashion are not boring and it has variation that are diverse. About the statement "they're just skinny not fashionable," Not all outfits that are fitted to a petite person should also look good in a plus sized person, silhouettes are very important in fashion and some outfits that are made specially for petite people doesnt have to look as good as to plus sized people even if the outfit's size is increased. Thats why we find clothes that looks good on us because not every outfit are fo everyone and if its not for everyone it doesnt automatically say that its not fashionable.

[@chanslaptop8529]

Have they seen the clothes most everyday men actually wear??? Male kpop fashion is a huge step higher than that. One guy I know wore bright red mesh shorts with a different shade of red graphic T-shirt.

[@jbyanx]

Thanks George. Teach them ! I just hope the stylists are not full of themselves and open to suggestions that would be very helpful to them when their coming up with concepts when dressing their stars coz ideas can just empty out and you need a booster ...

[@Cil3102]

From the beginning with the hair stuff into 4:45 THANK you omg. I went to watch her vid before yours and I was not impressed. But it’s her opinion.. it just had no solid base

[@mennaaaaaa]

What would you characterize K-Pop styles as? Street style? casual? Etc.

[@annanobody95]

I am dying for you to review SF9's fashion. Their stage outfits are more on a mature and sexier side, and sometimes they tend to go "daring" by wearing pieces I don't normally see with kpop boy groups (personally). I'd love for you to review at least the outfits in these music videos: Summer Breeze, Good Guy, Tear Drop and Trauma. Love your review as always

[@JuliaSouza-ge3bd]

To be honest, the comfortable clothe thing, I think it falls somewhere in the middle for me. It all depends on the occasion. Speaking from experience, if I’m doing a four minute performance where I’m going to change back to my carpet outfit right after, than I can deal with a scratchy top or tighter pants if it doesn’t affect the performance for the sake of fashion for SURE (which for small performances, even with demanding coreography, not much affects it), however, if I’m doing a concert and there will be a couple of songs in a roll with the same outfit, then yes for the love of god put me in something I can perform somewhat confortably. I think kpop actually does a good job of that for male idols, but it lacks severely for female idols. Also want to point out that we can have opinions on this as much as we want, BUT we need to remember that the idols have opinions, I recommend seeing some behind the scenes stuff because there are a lot of times where they talk abou an outfit that’s uncomfortable but they don’t change it for future performances cuz they are willing to sacrifice a bit of comfort for that song, and there is also a lot of times they do change, specially for concerts since those are clothes that will be used countless of times, an example of that is yoongis pants in seesaw during the love yourself concert, he changed the pants cuz he couldn’t properly move in them(specifically the sliding move). I’ve seen lots of them changing shoes too once they realize they’re uncortable. I also want to remember you guys , comfort doesn’t mean you can dance in it, just like uncomfortable doesn’t necessarily mean you can’t dance in it, there are groups that get clothe that are not suited for dancing yes, but that doesn’t seem to be the point she is trying to make. It depends on the length of the performance, the concept, the choreography and the body to determine if certain piece of clothing is unsuitable for certain performance.

[@TheKeeroop]

I was afraid of what the point of view of an expert would be but watching this video was really helpful and educational. I’m trying to understand more about kpop fashion and your video helped a lot ✨

[@vpr5099]

loved your thoughts about kpop stylists creating a cohesive look! now i'm curious about how you would comment on IZ*ONE's styling on their MV's or red carpets, since they were a 12-member group. I hope you get to react to them as well :))