German Interwar Tanks That Need Adding to War Thunder

[@notazombie...notatall8577]

The allies watching Germany mysterious build a lot of vehicles named "traktor" right after a war: 🤨

[@AntiFurry174thInfantryRegiment]

Germany: Ah zis? Zis is just a Big tracktor with a small little Pipe for wetting the crops

[@daveanderson3805]

Well, yeah, they used them to till the fields of Belgium and France.

[@nade5557]

​@@AntiFurry174thInfantryRegimentthe zis tractor? That was a Russian design

[@AntiFurry174thInfantryRegiment]

@@nade5557 with zis i mean the steriotype of the germans saying this like zis

[@nade5557]

@AntiFurry174thInfantryRegiment it was meant to be a joke but idk if the sarcasm was conveyed in the message

[@Bronasaxon]

The loltractor! I have good memories of that in WoT.

[@Nick-rs5if]

Having more interwar vehicles in general would be very nice. Most nations made so many wacky designs and concepts in between the wars. Carden-Loyd! We need Carden-Loyd!

[@G_Ludwig]

Carden-Loyd :D

[@Train115]

T2 Light Tank my beloved

[@CZ350tuner]

The 77mm. L.36 Gf.16 actually had an APHE shell issued for it, from 1916 onwards, until the guns were re-sleeved to 75mm. and renamed the 7.5cm. Fg.16.Neu Arte. In German Kummersdorf range tests, it was found to be capable of penetrating up to 74mm. of WW1 era HCSA @ 0 degrees @ 100 metres with APHE and up to 50mm. of RHA @ 0 degrees @ 100 metres with APHE. Be aware that Rolled Homogeneous Armour first appeared in the early 1920's, whilst in WW1, AFV's used High Carbon Steel Armour (sometimes referred to as Harveyised Armour). HCSA is extremely prone to spalling. Many nations were still producing (mainly armoured cars) using HCSA well into the early 1930's, due to its cheapness of production. HCSA offers far less protection, for equivalent thickness, than RHA.

[@Saturnus_Ouranos]

Oh man, this takes me back to when WoT Blitz had tanks from the 1920s that were readily available (except for France, when it was added to the game, but they instead had the Renault FT of WWI for Tier I tank), who served as the vehicles of Tiers I-III, before they were removed/made collective along side others (like that German high tier Toaster DT, which I really enjoyed driving) in Update 5.5, unfortunately (and I also stopped playing that game very soon afterwards, lol)

[@50centpb7]

There needs to be a tier lower than 1.0 just for inter-war tanks.

[@Toreno17]

I agree, I think starting at 0.0 with the earliest World War 1 tanks and reducing the spread to 0.7 would be a good way to allow World War 1 and interwar tanks to be added without causing too many balancing issues.

[@kommandantkillcode]

@@Toreno17The 0.7 spread for 0.0 and 0.3 would be the only ones where it would be well balanced whilst still allowing enough tank variety and players in queue because of the potential numbers of vehicles Gaijin could add there. However, I'm fairly certain that 0.7 tanks of the same caliber as what you suggested would be too strong to only match against 1.3 at most, as many 1.7 tanks are quite poor in-game already, and the 0.7 tanks would be able to penetrate many of them reliably or have other capabilities to allow them to beat 1.7s.

[@50centpb7]

@@Toreno17 I’d argue there are already tanks in game that belong below reserve tier. It would be nice if the French tanks with sub 30mms of pen could be in a viable tier, for example.

[@neatnoot214]

Tbh I wish they would just start at 0.0, and let you research both directions, so to speak. That way players are not forced to grind prewar vehicles that may be unfun to play or unsuited for tank combat, but would still allow for players who are interested to research them.

[@Mini_Knight17]

@@50centpb7 Yes, There's would be a strong argument for the I-Go Ko and Every tank that uses the SA18 L/21 (37mm) gun

[@juanpablosuarez4910]

Despite the age, the design of the leichttraktor resemble pretty much to the modern concept of armour vehicles like the tam or the merkava, even the german marder

[@otisschultz2912]

Leichttraktor and Grosstraktor will be fun. I tried them within an other tank game and thier over all parameter let them compete well.

[@adrielcamilo2564]

8:03 don't think the suspension is a Christie one, it looks to have some shock absorbers in the front and the middle of the hull. Maybe torsion bar or leaf spring suspension?

[@Ghostmaxi1337]

14:02 No? The gun is the 7,7cm FK 96 n.A. L/27 and among multiple He rounds including one with 930g Amatol (which could have a 1,26x TNTaquivalent) it also had the K. Gr. 15 m.P and K. Gr. 15 m.P m.L which were Aphe and Aphe-T shells of 6,85 and 7 kg, with 230g Amatol filling at 470 and 465 m/s they will (by gaijins calulator) easily go through 51-52mm Armor.

[@Toreno17]

Those shells would make it a pretty deadly weapon, especially if going up against interwar or World War 1 tanks, though the slow speed and lack of armour still lets it down a bit.

[@darkadmiral106]

Now I know how the Soviets got the T-28

[@mcpuff2318]

The Räder-Raupen-Kampfwagen M28 (Landsverk 5) was not designed by Landsverk. It's really a German vehicle designed by GHH. Landsverk was majority owned by GHH and used as a front to start tank production outside of Germany to circumvent the Versailles treaty. No L-5 was ever in Sweden and the chassis was only ever demonstrated to Swedish officials In Germany. It did however serve as the design origin for subsequent Swedish tank development carried out by Landsverk, initially with German assistance and later independently. This is covered in the tank encyclopedia article (which you didn't credit in the sources btw) As for WT, I'd love to see this sort of stuff in-game. WT currently basically starts in 1939/1941 for the USSR and Germany while many other countries have earlier reserve vehicles with lower performance. Everything above should be pushed up and the baseline balanced around things like the R.35/Type 89/A1E1, so early 30s tanks basically When you get around to your Swedish episode, don't miss out on the pbil fm/26 that mounted the 37 mm SA 18 and the Finnish Sisu armoured car with a 13.2 mm HMG

[@Ghostmaxi1337]

While the Großtraktor was first intended to have the L/20 gun, they quickly changed over to the new L/24 gun. Not to mention the test fitting of a 75 and 37mm gun and fitting of a longer 75mm gun, most likely a modified 7,5 cm FK 16 n.A., as proof of concept for the later Pz.Sfl.II.

[@Toreno17]

I had originally seen the L/24 mentioned in the Encyclopedia of German Tanks of World War Two by Peter Chamberlain and Hilary L. Doyle and was originally going to use that in the video. However I later found the phrase "Die Bewaffnung besteht aus einem 7,5 cm Rohrrücklaufgeschutz L/20" in documents in the Federal Archive (RH8/2669), which seemed to translate as "The armament consists of one", which I had taken as a definitive statement, though I should have double checked that figure referred to the as built tanks and not the initial design. I had considered mentioning the long 75mm but had decided not to as I didn't have access to much information other than the odd picture and a mention in "Covert German rearmament, 1919-1939 : deception and misperception" (page 32)

[@pavelslama5543]

The 7.7cm WD would be a total junk at any tier. Maybe if it has a negative repair cost and you get paid for letting the others wreck it, then it may be viable as a reserve (R) TD.

[@Toreno17]

It would struggle but I don't think it would be useless, I could see it working in a similar manner to the SU-5-1 or Lorraine 37L, but with 360 degrees of traverse it would easier to operate on the battlefield and its HE shells should do decent work against WW1 and interwar tanks.

[@Ghostmaxi1337]

It wouldnt, as he was wrong about the gun. It has 2 strong Aphe shells od 6,85 and 7kg with 470 and 465 m/s with 230g amatol filling and about 52mm penetration.

[@Swagmaster07]

There are alr some inter war tanks in WT, but Gajin is picky. 😢

[@Toreno17]

True but I their is a whole lot more that could be added in future!

[@alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723]

Might asll give very person a gods dang money printer because there is not way I'm working my ass of for that

[@Malino8835]

Interwar let's goooooooo!!!!!!!!!!

[@Toreno17]

Yep, looking forward to covering some cool and often forgotten tanks!

[@ibalistichedge1098]

The panzer I with the breda 20mm may make more sense in war thunder at a lower Br than the Pz II since it’d be able to deal with armoured targets much more effectively than the standard Pz I but it’s own armour would be more or less useless against anything other than small arms fire.

[@Ghostmaxi1337]

I allready made the Suggestions for those on the new forum allready some time ago.

[@Briselance]

I totally dig your accent, mate. Where are you from, pray tell?

[@DreadMaps.]

The real considered Interwar tanks come from 1933-1934 Panzer III, kinda Panzer II aren’t really considered interwar even though they are

[@Vextonomy]

100%

[@vissler]

BLYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTT, TRRRRRRAAAAAAKKKTTTOORRRRR

[@delinquenter]

Das Wort "groß" wird mit einem scharfen s (ß) geschrieben, nicht mit einem doppel s (ss). Das ist falsch. Also heißt es in dem Fall Großtraktor. Wenn über Deutsche Geschichte gesprochen wird, erwarte ich genügend Engagement, um die Thematik korrekt zu präsentieren. Eine Verdummung unserer Sprach und folglich unserer Kultur und Geschichte ist unerwünscht und wird nicht tolleriert.

[@nade5557]

I learnt that you can write "ss" instead of ß as a substitute. Some input systems won't let you use ß, and it's not standard on most keyboards requiring special steps

[@dougstubbs9637]

I learnt ‘classic’ book German during the seventies at school. Despite the written being pretty much the same, the spoken language left me gasping. My Language instructor in the Army told me I sounded like an Australian speaking classic german. Which I was. I grew up with German immigrant kids, my age, next door, leaving Germany in 1968. The average German I had to learn in the eighties was bastardised anglo English with bulk swear and slang terminology. Wagner era germanics have bit the dust. Gone forever.