GERMAN REACTS TO THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE! - TommyKay Reacts to The Armchair Historian

[@TommyKay]

Neither Holy, Nor Roman, Nor an Empire...

[@lakezfn1973]

sounds just like joe mama

[@charl7668]

How

[@kryann3112]

Un-holy german... place 😎

[@gnoblin7320]

How's this a week ago

[@smegajo4614]

its just mustard

[@newromanianmappernrm4420]

Fun fact talking about crowns: The romanian crown is made out of steel instead of gold, as the King wanted to show respect to the bravery of his soldiers fighting for him. It was forged specifically out of the steel of a ottoman cannon that was captured after a battle.

[@chuckn4851]

Based Romania

[@ls200076]

@@chuckn4851 Bosnia ftw

[@waterlily3609]

@@ls200076 bosnia are zoo animal

[@jamesson1154]

Michael the brave? Vladimir draculesti? Who made the Romanian crown? Or had it commissioned?

[@Lwowski-Polak]

W Romanis

[@lovinglife5602]

If you randomly generated very small city states and like a few big ones and then showed it to me and told me it's the HRE, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

[@Star-tc4dy]

Holy "how the f**k did this not collapse" Roman empire

[@hakonandreasolaussen1949]

"How the f**k did this not collapse", sure you don't also mean the original roman empire? or the byzantine? Seems like if anyone calls their state "roman empire", they're in for one hell of a rough ride

[@MatthiasDrinksH20]

@@hakonandreasolaussen1949 Or empire, they all fall, just a matter of time

[@Aniyah-CHG]

@@hakonandreasolaussen1949 tbf the Roman and Byzantine Empire lasted for quite awhile.

[@NeoMicy]

@@Aniyah-CHG The HRE lasted for quite awhile es well,

[@gigachadgaming6071]

well it was holy ;)

[@themanofathousandnames2243]

The amount of jealousy in Tommy's voice when he saw the HRE crowns are all in Vienna and not Germany got me laughing 🤣

[@JohnDoe-pb6zs]

@ 19:48

[@LoveYaAngelino]

@@JohnDoe-pb6zs Would've been even funnier if it was at 19:38 .

[@leone.6190]

Vienna is german Land. As a gdr citisen that is completely fine to me. :)

[@thcaustria7439]

@@leone.6190 as an austrian i completly disagree , we are not germans, we are austrians, no matter what people from other countries say

[@leone.6190]

@@thcaustria7439 ha? "Deutsch Österreich du schönes Land..." Selbst unter Kaiser Franz hießen die ethnisch deutschen Gebiete deutsches Kronland. Erzähl keinen Stuss. Entweder sie geben sich nur als Österreicher aus, sie sind ethnisch dazugezogen (vielleicht aus dem nahen Osten) oder sie sind komplett Ahnungslos und wissen nichts über ihre Ahnen.

[@prussia6530]

Otto I. is my favorite German King/Emperor It's really a shame he is almost forgotten here in Germany yet he is so important to our countires history. I don't think there would ever have benn a Germany if he didn't exist.

[@AverageHouseofWolvesEnjoyer475]

To bad the UN doesn't think you exist.

[@wh6057]

@@AverageHouseofWolvesEnjoyer475 to bad nobody acknowledged the existence of manchuko either

[@prussia6530]

@Manchucynical too bad i do in fact not exist anymore...and you as well my friend

[@prussia6530]

@@wh6057 well i did but...yeah let's not talk about that 🤫😂

[@germanstormtrooper2298]

Hey prussia dont worry i make you proud

[@mwallrabenstein5215]

I am Not shure, but i think tommy wants a divice that allows him to observe battles and other stuff of the past. For example like in assasin screed

[@columodonnell9212]

If he ever doesnt say this in a history vid then ik something is wrong

[@TommyKay]

he says htat every time hahaha

[@columodonnell9212]

@@TommyKay omg markoni...

[@armaholic5949]

I always wanted to travel back in time and see Constantinople....... glad I'm not the only one

[@velasten1948]

Me too

[@VadelmahilloVideotuotanto]

It's still there you can go there smh

[@friedbanana69]

@@VadelmahilloVideotuotanto Constantinople wasnt the same after 1204

[@HackerArmy03]

@@VadelmahilloVideotuotanto Last time I checked, its called "Istanbul" now. It had already lost its "Roman" when it fell centuries ago.

[@TommyKay]

it has to smell really bad meh

[@saladbruh2625]

I saw the imperial crown in real life , when i visited Vienna with school , it's in austria because Habsburgs were the last holy roman emperors

[@michaelbuchinger6191]

Yes and their residence was ofc in Vienna

[@grim4733]

I wish I watched the stream so I could’ve said Christopher Lee, the guy who played Saruman in LOTR and Count Dooku in Star Wars, was a direct descendant of Charlemagne. If you look at Charlemagne’s sword and Dooku’s lightsaber, they both have curved hilts coincidentally.

[@gregoirelebatard1057]

Charlemagne is french

[@Primegaming7963]

@@gregoirelebatard1057he was Frankish and their closet descendants are the modern day dutch

[@NapoleonAquila]

@@Primegaming7963 whatever he is french (And I will keep stating this just for the fun to annoy germans)

[@Primegaming7963]

@@NapoleonAquila keep pissing off these germoids doing the lord’s work from another Latin 🙏

[@leone.6190]

6:30 that is the principel of the "traveling king" wich was a custom in the medieval era. The king had to constantly travel around the realm. That's why germany had so many "Reichsstädte" "realm's citys" where the emperor would reign from, for short times.

[@sosko5463]

If it were 500 years ago Tommy could legitimately raise an army from his viewers and rule his own duchy inside the HRE

[@Ch-ew9tm]

I’d follow him. He’s worth it

[@aureliusmarcusantoninus3441]

@@Ch-ew9tm it beats herding livestock

[@saladbruh2625]

there is always a point in the video where tommy goes on about going back to the past assassins creed style , i love it

[@runedova126]

Me: Oh TommyKay has uploaded a new video. Let's take a look. Me (a Few Seconds Later): Loads Up Crusader Kings 3

[@william_prescott_ii3277]

or ck2.. bc ck2 actually has a charlemagne scenario.

[@playinthegame1822]

@@william_prescott_ii3277 or a Otto 1st scenario

[@pedroperez266]

@@william_prescott_ii3277 ck2 has items

[@zombietaco2391]

Love your videos. Hope you are doing well and away from all the flooding.

[@CarlosianBigWang]

Watch the new German councilor go for a third round of German unification

[@ImThatGuy500BC]

For those who like this stuff, On netflix there is documentary/serie called Roman empire. It goes in to great detail about rulers and life back than.

[@RyanTheHero3]

‘Descendant of Carl the great’ yeah ok along with probably a couple million people. It’s the same with William the conqueror, in the UK you have a reasonable chance you’re related to him because there’s a couple million descendants. Not really a surprise.

[@Damo2690]

Like every European, yeah

[@hsdsaunders]

Bang the myth is gone.

[@slynt_]

Not the same thing as a patrilineal direct or near-direct descendant

[@kingbookser]

5:39 If this is true, Karl would be so disappointed

[@someone-wh2rb]

the reason frankia was split in three was because back then monarchs viewed their land as their own estate, meaning they also went by the logic of it being their personal property. its basically like you building up a fortune, you don't want any of your children to live a bad life while one child lives a life of luxury so you divide it equally

[@dreww8941]

Starting as Karl in CK2 and forming the HRE was a top gaming moment for me XD

[@viktor_voughn]

It may not be connected to the vid but markoni you are doing a great job :-)

[@TommyKay]

ty viktor sir :D

[@ptolomaios4118]

Tommy is truly a thinker, I love that about his streams

[@Supercatzs]

Tommy doing the: try not to mention Assassin's Creed historical imagination during a history video challenge

[@aliofhwice3502]

13:11 his son re-instated absolute partition because of pressure from powerful nobles and governors

[@mrodysseus03]

I want to say something about the interpretation of the HRE, particular abut the sentence of Voltaire "not holy, not roman, not an Empire". If you take this sentence, you can't undestand the HRE. The HRE was at least until the death of Karl V. a roman empire. If you don't see this, you can't understand the actions of the Ottons, the Salians and especially the Staufer, above all Friedrich II., who reigned in Sicily like a combination of Luis XIV. and a roman princeps, and saw himself as the head of the church. This brings me to the "holy" part of the HRE. The emperor had, like the pope, a sacral function and it wasn't alwas clear, who is the real boss in the latin christianity. Under Heinrich III. the pope in rome was a puppet of the emperor, but with his death and the Chaos under the regency of queen Agnes for her son Heinrich IV. The reform papacy (idk if this is the correct english term) took over and Hildebrand, better known as Gregor VII. saw himself as first one on the Chair of St. Peter in a such powerful position. In the fight with Heinrich IV. lost Gregor and Heinrich made some other puppet popes, but the roman citizens killed them. The last one who saw himself in sacral function was Karl V. So we can say, the HRE was in it's understanding holy an roman. And it was an Empire. We can't use the term "empire" ore "country" for an pre-Rennesaince-country. And especially the HRE, but also Byzantium, the Roman Empire itself, Neustria, England, etc. don't fit into this scheme. So the HRE was holy, Roman, and an Empire, but not a modern one. And a thing the medieval HRE was absolutly not german. The german part was the last thing wich came to the title. The kingdom title of Otto the Great was Austria or East-Francia, and the kingdom title later was the one of an roman king, not a german. The German part came with the renaissance, for example were the dukes, counts and kings in fear, that Karl V. would made the "teutsche libertät" (german freedom) to a "spanische servitut" (spanish slavery). The infenrification with the empire began under Ludwig the Bavarian, where the whole Empire stood united against the madness of pope Johannes XXII., who was one of the extremest reform pope and hated not just the Franciscans, but claimed to insert the roman king and the emperor, and everyone in the empire hated him because of this. It came, that the priest and citizens kept their city doors closed for the diplomats and priests of the pope, some thinkers at the court of Ludwig started with the idea of an secular state. And the election system was developed in this form after the Interregnum between Konrad IV. And Rudolf I. Before this, the empire was a kind of an elective heredetary title, especially for the Ottons and the Salians, who were alle descendants of Charles the Great and the Carolingians, who were seen as the rightful ruling dynasty. But when this dynasty dies or the emperor was bad, then they elected another one. The constitutional idea of the Electorate of the seven Kurfürsten was after the simultaious election od Ludwig the Bavarian and Friedrich the Beautiful, when the king of bohemia gave his vote both candidates. In the Goldene Bulle of Karl IV. the election system was made to a constitution and remained until the last emperor, although it was clear, that the Emperor would be an Habsburger, he was elected in Frankfurt and crowed in Aachen. And why the throne of Charles I. There ist so simple is easy: Because he was a christian. If you look at the rittuals, the emperors acted often humbely (?). And in the medievla europe the emperor was the primus, and not just a primus inter pares, and this is because of his sacral prestige and his role as the heir of the western roman empire and like in the kingdom of Jerusalem everyone would gladly become emperor because of this (for example were the candidates against Karl V. Henry VIII, the French king and Friedrich the Wise of Saxony). So I think I showed, that the conclusion of this video was a little bit oversimplified (especially if you think about the actions wich made the first emperors to emperos) and I wrote an much to long commentary, I apologize for this and my not so great english. (Sources: Weinfurter, Stefan: Das Reich im Mittelalter; Rader, Olaf B.: Friedrich II.; Schilling, Heinz: Karl V.; Riley-Smith, Jonathan: Die Kreuzzüge; Baltrusch, Ernst: Herodes; Herm, Gerhard: Des Reiches Herrlichkeit; Wies, Ernst W.: Friedrich II. von Hohenstaufen; Die deutschen Herrscher des Mittelalters. Hrsg. von Bernd Schneidmüller und Stefan Weinfurter; Czernin, Monika: Der Kaiser reist inkognito; Venohr, Wolfgang: Fridericus Rex)

[@antonfj_2260]

Well said

[@Christian-mt5jx]

Could have used some spacing and use of paragraphs because now it is one big lap of text hard to read. But good explanation overall to give more depth.

[@mrodysseus03]

@@Christian-mt5jx Thank you for the comment, I hope now it's better readable

[@orashitaneshi359]

@@mrodysseus03 mad respect for the information

[@Christian-mt5jx]

@@mrodysseus03 Now it's awesome. Great job!

[@zeqirzeqiri1216]

This really tells us alot about the hapsburgs ottomans and the Russian empire

[@chekiefloofderg4997]

Might be mistaken but from what i know, the Iron Crown, as know as the crown of Lombardy, is the oldest crown still existing in the world

[@tazzy097]

18:45 we have a similar thing in Britain where they say if ravens leave the tower of London the monarchy will fall and Britain with it

[@RESTITVTOR_TOTIVS_HISPANIAE]

Laughs in Eastern Roman throne

[@bookinator2367]

5:37 that aged well

[@historyafficionado478]

Wasn’t the last known descendant from direct line a woman on the county of ver man dois that married the brother of the king of France at the time? I think Hugh the Great was his name…

[@Vagabund92]

The original saxons are from Niedersachsen btw., not from tommys region.

[@weehoo2]

Why was he surprised that Armchair has seen his stuff? Didn’t he do the intro for some of the HOI4 championships?

[@krimzonstriker7534]

Be sure to check out Armchair's incoming game Fire & Manuver Tommy, would love to see it on the channel ;)

[@Oxley016]

Hey Tommy if you want your question about did all the scheming and backstabbing really happen like in tv/movies then you should react to something about ‘The War of The Roses’

[@ThisDutchDude]

Fun fact. He actually uses hoi4 references and art styles in his ww2 vids

[@TommyKay]

vicky2 music here and there too

[@ThisDutchDude]

@@TommyKay yea he is a very cool youtuber

[@Dan_WATP]

6:29 "thats a fucking chinese toilet" i will admit that line kinda broke me

[@allninelivez7631]

Watch the "How Prussia Ended the French Empire" by Armchair Historian. On your own accord though, no need to rush. Also, a question for the viewers. What would you rather be? A King? Or an Emperor? Explain.

[@mee8801]

A king so I can hand all of my issues to the emperor and just screw around.

[@AKennedy4K]

Items are coming along with next DLC in CK3

[@robinruppert1554]

I just watched the video 9 hours ago and now i watch it from tommy

[@legocomenter]

Charlemagnes throne looks shitty intentionally. It was a sign of humility and extreme piety because that throne was actually made from the floor boards of the church in jerusalem in the vicinity to where jesus was crucified. You can even see roman soldiers graffiti on the sides.

[@عبدالملكالسلوم-ك7ي]

كل عام وانتم بخير 🎉❤

[@iKirkie]

Guy pause more than my grandmother.

[@vladtheimpaler4476]

Blonde Pure Aryan Tommykay in another verse ? woohoo now that's a multiverse we all look forward to

[@glomman]

Will Tommy colour his hair blonde at 500K subs?

[@TommyKay]

proud ginger

[@slosoa115]

Barbarossa has returned in the form of Tommkay only to become addicted to conquering in video games.

[@leone.6190]

2:25 I don't get why tommy is so unhappy about his hair colour. The greatest german emperor Friedrich Barbarossa had the same hair (and beard :D ) colour.I'd feel pretty nice about it. 🤷‍♂️A

[@calebbrooks1037]

7:53 the real intersting thing it to look at the throne of the previous Pope compared to the throne of the current Pope. Mad respect to Pope Francis 10:00 except for the Clintons suiciding people.

[@mehlife8239]

1:35 that hurt

[@kingpoxy2289]

Actually almost nobody smelled because baths, and they tried to move there fecal matter into the alleys or into rivers and ponds, oh and Charlemagnes throne was probaly made of marble and with cussions made of silk. To finish this off the Holy Roman Empire was Holy, was Roman for the time, and it was an Empire!

[@Trein05]

WTF is that at 3:43? What he is holding?

[@tonyhawk94]

There always are so many misconceptions in these videos : - First of all Aachen wasn't the capital of the Carolingian empire...there was, NONE ! The concept of capital wasn't a thing and the city of Aachen itself didn't exist, it was the residence of his father that built a palace there. Charlemagne used this residence because of frequent Saxon insurrections (your ancesters ;p ). - Secondly "how did you control so much land", well...the Carolingian control over eastern part of the empire was really loose, the heartland of the empire was between the Loire and the Rhine, with centers of powers being of course Paris, Reims, Metz in modern France, and Mainz, Trier, etc in modern Germany. And the empire was still leaned toward the Mediterranean sea because it was where the most powerful empires and riches were.

[@arrielradja5522]

20:11 holly hand grenade of antioch

[@alexsharp717]

"The fucking Austrians have it?" *seconds later* "imagine stealing that"

[@maxheinrich1043]

Tommy der alte Laschet-Fanboy😂😂 da muss ich fast so lachen wie selbiger bei der Rede Steinmeiers nach der Flutkatastrophe.

[@formica4404]

All I got from this is that Tommy got bullied into being a KZbinr….

[@infini_ryu9461]

Yeah, people weren't covered in crap, my dude. Not to diss, but you still have a very pop culture view of history. Medieval people loved to bathe, a lot, and people wore many different colours, some dyes were very cheap to use and they used them.

[@perpetual_suffering1458]

Why was tommy surprised that armchair historian knew about him, didnt he star in one of the videos on this channel?

[@paulgirard3823]

hi tommy ,i am a direct descendant of charles martel i am a boy who lives in argentina but my father is french and his mother is a descendant of one of charlemagne's children, lothaire i

[@paulgirard3823]

My aunt did all the process of investigation to understand the life of our ancestors

[@gigaya777]

fun fact the holy roman empire was quite a functional empire until the interegnum with the fall of the staufen

[@georgewashington6903]

Another cool thing look at is how different the world would be if the Greeks had fell to the Persians. Democracy and western civilization would have been killed in it’s infancy. The ideas of the philosophers lost to the sands of time.

[@DoubleB9719]

The Persians were a tolerant empire, pay a tax every year and do your thing and also Greece was a bacwater for them not a core province. So for the most part it wouldn't change history that much

[@Damo2690]

There's no direct line between Greek democracy of Modern democracy

[@Mako2401]

Fake news.

[@axcuse2298]

Hey Tommy hey markoni, are you guys some day going to host ck3 multiplayer rp games with rulesets and so on?

[@TommyKay]

tommy is not that big of a fan of ck multiplayer, so most likely no

[@amara139]

The Peacock throne is still being fought over by Persia, India, and Afghanistan. They possibly should have spent less time on the chair and more on armies so they could have avoided Western colonization... but hey, what do I know?

[@kirb1111]

Operation Barbarossa was named after Frederick Barbarossa

[@ChristisLord1917]

Finally someone else knows about the myth about Barbarossa

[@justwatchinyt3586]

The actor that plays count dooku in the star wars movies is a descendant of Charlamane.

[@Damo2690]

Along with every other European

[@Mplkjo15]

and then Napoleon crushed the HRE so bad, it decided to commit seppuku.

[@inigoranero3133]

Barbarosa = pink beard Barbaroja = red beard

[@DannyCapM8]

"how does it smell"

[@andygeary3531]

Where is the song from that Tommy always plays when he is doing the weights?

[@TommyKay]

ivars revenge or something

[@andygeary3531]

@@TommyKay you absolute legend, thanks so much!

[@theosemenenko5424]

i want TommyKay to react to Killer bean forever

[@third3rd2nd28]

Duke nukem forever

[@daireomaolain29]

4:45 not me lol its not that I enjoy and want to learn but I'm learning stuff from 1200-1800 so it's hard to keep up I again wanna learn about old gaelge history but it's complicated for example did Hugh o'neill support the crown or ulster's future

[@llhammer3075]

who was the last Charla Martel

[@memochao2262]

If I'm not wrong Christopher Lee was a direct descendant from Charlemagne.

[@Damo2690]

Statistically every European is a distant descendant of Charlemagne

[@TheHellbeast88]

funny thing they dont mention that umayyad in spain were on thier own and never supported by the abbasid (when they took over the islamic empire) instead they were enemies of abbasid

[@Live.Laugh.Lobotomy]

Almost like the video was about the HRE not them

[@Votkamirputin]

Nice

[@foltgameeing]

Ah yes, Tommy the Czech with Saxon ancestors.

[@A1985Jonesy]

I love how he always takes time to trash CK3

[@TommyKay]

literally

[@Shotana343]

I like tommy

[@noyes9361]

Haha

[@noyes9361]

Wait

[@noyes9361]

Sus

[@jo_su1995]

Ruh roh... this German better not got any ideas

[@johnis496]

Holy fuck Tommy, watch the damn thing

[@zeppelinled3967]

not true, they didn't smell like shit... it is stupid to assume that humans of the medieval era somehow forgot the basic instinct that is so common in every animal...

[@sleepdeprivedhistory4706]

Carl the Greats ancestors are everywhere such as Europe and the US b/c I am one

[@harrylion6689]

TommyKay Barbarossa

[@ethan20559]

2:33 Random based Tommy moment

[@emperorhirodripo5863]

„One Little Differenz“ „Imagine of the Muslims would habe Haken over Europe“ If Thats one little Differenz, I dont really wanna know, what a big Differenz would be xD

[@chuckn4851]

Same here brother lol

[@radiospace7071]

Charlemagne had zero drip

[@chuckn4851]

Bruh he had all the drip. Even his mfing blinged out sword survives to this day

[@billpolychronidis7805]

I don't understand the whole it would smell awful thing, yeah sure the villages might have had that but big cities did have very good hygiene systems, especially in the Byzantine empire at least.

[@Oxley016]

If by very good you mean holes in the ground that people threw their shit into that got all blocked up and spilled out into the streets as opposed to just straight up throwing it into the streets?

[@billpolychronidis7805]

@@Oxley016 I mean I don't know about western Europe but I know that in the Byzantine empire they had running water through their houses and everything, actually something that existed in the area even before them

[@Oxley016]

@@billpolychronidis7805 yeah because the romans knew how to do plumbing, pretty much nobody else did though

[@TheRagaz]

tommy shall now be called either Barbarossa or Gingerossa.

[@gigbungus4716]

Barbarossa look like davy jones

[@Marcxop]

nice

[@eLeft6]

The Franks always get the credits for stopping the Muslims from entering Europe from the Iberian peninsula. People must first think why the Muslims had to go all the way to and through Iberia in the first place to enter Europe before giving credits.

[@Oxley016]

Because they didn’t have boats in the middle of Arabia and the stupid fucks still hadn’t figured them out yet by the time they’d conquered their way all the way through Iberia?

[@eLeft6]

@@Oxley016 No, goddammit! Because they couldn't beat the Romans (Byzantines). *Cries in Byzantophile*

[@samalderman2721]

So at this point are these videos sponsored by our armchair historian then?

[@TommyKay]

lol no

[@pierren___]

10:43 Charlemagne wasnt brown haired wtf

[@TruetoCaesar]

Tommy doesn't know PepeLaugh

[@snouff6897]

great video, would watch again in bed

[@danielhakim9756]

god damn it, time to re-install ck3 again

[@AradanEnvinyatar]

Tommy, everyone and anyone even slightly of European descent is descended from Charlemagne. It’s like how basically every Asian is a descendent of Genghis Khan.

[@conniescrimes6304]

Christopher Lee was a decent of Charlemagne