What Did Paul Mean in Romans 8:1? There Is No Katakrima for Those in Christ Jesus - Bob Wilkin

[@karent743]

Very good!

[@AlvinFen]

Amen and amen brother~!

[@karinecarde1254]

Excellent study!!! Thank you, Bob 😊

[@drewhubbard9214]

Timing is perfect! I was JUST diving into Romans 8 because someone just told me that Romans chapter 8 shows that salvation is conditional. I do not believe this, and this was said in response to me pointing out Romans chapter 7 where Paul talks about his struggle with sin

[@truthgardener9983]

This was so very excellent. Thanks for sharing! I’m going to meditate on those two Greek words ‘katakrima & krima.’ Thank you for pointing out the differences between these two Greek words. I’m going to listen again until this gets down in my spirit so that when I read the scriptures I will understand exactly what God is saying I must focus in on in order to live a victorious Christian life. I’m sure it won’t be focusing in on fulfilling the Law but it will be focusing in on what Jesus has done for me and asking the Spirit of God to help me walk as He walked which He has deposited inside of me the day I was born again 47 years ago now. It is true that ‘the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus has set me free from the Law of sin & death’ (Rom 8:2)…. and ‘the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life & peace.’ (Rom 8:6) 👏👏👏👏🙌🙌🙌

[@murraylloyd6011]

Once again learnt something key.

[@Bobbychildree]

“For those who walk (Halacha) not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.” There is indeed condemnation for those who walk (Halacha) according to the flesh. Even “Christians.”

[@davidseverin7764]

Thank you. I've been wrestling with this verse this week. It makes me squirm when I see the qualifying description of those who have no condemnation as "who walk not after the flesh but after the spirit" ..i over think on that "so if I'm not walking after the spirit I'm still under condemnation?" But also, walking after the spirit doesn't necessarily mean following the law or being obedient. It could mean abiding in the faith of the gospel. Galatians makes a distinction between the religious flesh and boasting in the perfecting of the flesh as opposed to walking after the spirit in faith working in love.. which ill also over think about.

[@bugsocsollie1694]

I think it's referring self condemnation. If our focus is mainly on the flesh (carnally minded) what the flesh is doing or not doing right, then we condemn ourselves. But if we walk in the Spirit, knowing who we are in Christ (perfectly clean) there is no condemnation. Jesus doesn't condemn any of us who are in Him. He didn't even condemn the woman caught in the act, and she didn't even repent or anything, before He told her "neither do I condemn you."

[@steveburgoon3674]

It's very simple. The eternal security of our soul was already dealt with in earlier chapters. Verse, one of chapter eight, is a conclusion of chapter seven. If you walk in the flesh by putting yourself back under the law, you're going to fail, and you're gonna condemn yourself by the actions of keeping yourself under a law system. We are a spiritual creation. Now we're supposed to be walking in the spirit.

[@2Chronicles714_]

You added your explanation to scripture changing the meaning entirely Those who live in he flesh will die in the flesh.

[@steveburgoon3674]

@2Chronicles714_ i think I just said it differently, but I understand what you mean. We can't produce spiritual fruit by walking in the flesh. We produce spiritual fruit by walking in the spirit. Hopefully you agree

[@steveburgoon3674]

@2Chronicles714_ those who live in the flesh will die in the flesh? I would love to see those verses.I would appreciate it.

[@SSJCyan]

This is how i learned it in bible school too thanks

[@nicholasisaiah53john316]

Amazing study!

[@PreacherPaul71]

The only way to be free from the dominion of sin is faith in the Finished Work of Jesus Christ. There are many believers with faith in the wrong object, and they are slaves to the sin nature

[@gek1406]

Thank you for this correct meaning. The context reveals the use of "condemnation" when seen in light of its connection to Rom. 7, not as many say it would mean losing your salvation, therefore they dismiss the "who do not walk according to the flesh" part. I agree, I don't know Greek but shouldn't have to. In my mention online to a critical text scholar about something, he concluded I was "one of those 1611 guys [and needed] to learn Hebrew and Greek, and to see how ridiculous [my] ideas were." Also, I "was in a cult...." Maybe I'm just one of those "Tyndale plowboys" reading the scriptures in my own language.

[@alanhales6369]

Grace Evangelical society "Condemnation" in Rom 8: 1. Does mean Condemnation, judgment against. It means NO Condemnation, No judgment against born again Christians who walk after the Spirit and not after the flesh. It's the only time the Greek word adds separation from God or His blessings. Whereas the same Greek word is in Rom 5: 16 & v 18, where people are condemned. False grace teacher use the erroneous modern translations of the Bible, because they leave "Who walk not after the Spirit, but walk after a flesh" of Rom 8: 1.

[@TheElizabethashby]

THANK YOU

[@tedprice5828]

Romans 7:13-25 states that those who try to keep the law on their own are under the law of sin and death. We cannot overcome in our own strength. It is the same law in Romans eight which is the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. Having their disposition changed they now overcome by walking in the spirit and overcoming the deeds of the body.

[@brandonjcollins1062]

He tells us in Gal 5:16 that we shouldn't be walking in the flesh. We are a new creation and should be walking according to the Spirit. So this is really irrelevant. As Jesus says, if you love me you will keep my commandments. And He gave us two. If we walk according to these two commandments then we will walk in the spirit and not bow down to the desires of the flesh.

[@soljos1190]

What is it you're affirming - specifically , precisely , and without exception - one must Necessarily believe and Perform until death in order to be born again with irreversible Everlasting Life to enter His Kingdom ?

[@2Chronicles714_]

​@soljos1190 IF Jesus is your Lord the term Lord means someone to be obeyed

[@michaelparsons9063]

FREEDOM IN JESUS… No condemnation for true followers…God justifies us of original sin…removing OS and filling the void with His HS. Justification in Greek is DIKIOSIS…meaning ACQUITTAL. And the best part…no DOUBLE JEOPARDY.🕊

[@soljos1190]

What is it you're affirming - specifically , precisely , and without exception - one must Necessarily believe and Perform until death in order to be born again with endless Everlasting Life to enter His Kingdom ?

[@allenbrininstool7558]

Congrats Bro Bob you have found a way to preach works. Return to grace alone. We have all we need in Him we are in Him and He is in us. He will guide us into all truth through the Spirit. He justifies and sanctifies us in His power alone. In addition we don’t inherit the Kingdom through works as you are preaching. We inherit all things when we become His children through faith alone. I am now going to join Andrew Farley’s church and walk away from you

[@2Chronicles714_]

Andrew Farley is a false teacher. He in one video said Jesus had a foot fetish. In a different video he said Peter had homosexual feelings for Jesus He's nothing but a grifter.

[@soljos1190]

Farley is a works righteousness false teacher . He teaches that 1 John 1:9 is an Evangelistic passage , incredibly . Confession of one's sins is working . Not faith . Jesus never once Evangelized as Andrew Farley does . That's an insurmountable problem .

[@2Chronicles714_]

​@@soljos1190 He's just another grace perverter who rejects repentance and condones living how you choose to. A flesh based false teacher.

[@2Chronicles714_]

@soljos1190 Andrew Farsley is just another false teacher that rejects repenting of sin teaches you can live as you wish. He also mocks 1 John 1:9 calling it mouthwash for Christians, which of course he isn't. He also said in one video Jesus had a foot fet-sh and in another video said Peter had hom-sexual feelings for Jesus

[@2Chronicles714_]

Andrew Farsley in one video claims Jesus had a foot fetish. In another video he said Peter had homosexual feelings for Jesus. A wicked grace perverter grifter.

[@DontYouWantToLiveForever]

If Christians would replace the word "commandments" of Jesus (falsely interpreted as the Law) with the word "teachings" of Jesus, which is factually correct, meaning learn the words He spoke, it would solve alot of errors.

[@danielbelteshazzar-mg7rb]

Simply ,know that there is no law,and because of that,there is no transgression. You are free in rest. No matter what you do in the flesh..

[@soljos1190]

What is it you're affirming - specifically , precisely , and without exception - one must Necessarily believe and Perform till death in order to be born again with irrevocable Everlasting Life to enter His Kingdom ?

[@danielbelteshazzar-mg7rb]

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God Through faith, and that not of yourselves - Do you really think its your faith,after Paul clearly said,´´There is none that do good,or seek God``? Gift is the Faith of Jesus Christ. He did it ALL . ALL the way. James 2:1 My brethren, do not hold the FAITH OF OUR Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with partiality. So WORK James talking about is you learning from God ,not your pope,pastor,preacher or teacher.. You asking for the WORD ---- > wisdom,knowledge,you been quick to ----> HEAR ,slow to speak,and receiving ----> with meekness / BELIEVING the WORD that can save your soul... Rom 10: 17 So then FAITH comes by

[@timgrady4630]

​@danielbelteshazzar-mg7rb So , you're a Theological Determinist (Calvinist) ?

[@timgrady4630]

​@danielbelteshazzar-mg7rb (Dr. John Niemela on Ephesians 2:8-9) VIEW 1: TOUTO (“THIS”) REFERS TO FAITH AS GOD’S GIFT Despite being popular among Calvinists, this view faces huge hurdles. First, it disrupts the passage’s flow with a parenthesis. Second, it abandons Paul’s normal usage of neuter singular forms of the demonstrative pronoun houtos (“this”). A. Distortion #1: Being Made Alive Precedes Faith Few realize that treating faith as God’s gift makes part of Eph 2:8 parenthetic. James Candlish admitted this in 1895: …the majority of modern interpreters, including Calvin,2 refer it [“this is not of yourselves”] to salvation. The chief reason for this latter opinion is that the following clause (ver. 9), “not of works,” can hardly be connected with faith, but must refer to salvation. But it is quite in Paul’s style to interrupt the direct connection of his thoughts by a parenthetic clause such as this, so that the construction would be: “by grace ye have been saved through faith… not of works”; while the words, “and that not of yourselves, God’s is the gift,” come in as a parenthesis [explaining the source of faith].3 Treating faith as God’s gift requires a parenthetic interruption.4 Abraham Kuyper embraced this idea. He explicitly inserts parentheses: For then it reads: “You are saved by mere grace, by means of faith. (Not as tho[ugh] by this means of faith the grace of your salvation would be partly not of grace: no indeed not, for even that faith is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God.) And, therefore, saved through faith, not of works, lest any man should boast, for we are His workmanship.” But then this creates a parenthesis, which is perfectly true; but even this is truly Pauline (emphasis in original).5Like Kuyper, Candlish claimed to expect a parenthesis here: “…it is quite in Paul’s style to interrupt the direct connection of his thoughts by a parenthetic clause such as this.” Though Paul is not averse to inserting parentheses, Candlish did not know that the hallmark of parentheses is that they lack “proper syntactical connection,” as A. T. Robertson’s introduction to that topic contends: “Such a clause, inserted in the midst of the sentence without proper syntactical connection, is quite common in the N. T.”6 Ephesians 2:5f illustrates Robertson’s point that parenthetic portions are “without proper syntactical connection.” Specifically, …He [God] made alive together with Christ [third person main verb] (by grace you have been saved)7 [parenthetic second person verb] and He raised together and seated together… [third person main verbs] The phrase “By grace you have been saved” in 2:5 is parenthetic because the second person verb is “without proper syntactical connection.” Parentheses belong in 2:5f because part of the sentence lacks proper syntactical connection. However, that does not apply in 2:8. Even Candlish admits that the phrase “and that not of yourselves” has a proper syntactical connection: “Whether the following clause, ‘and that not of yourselves,’ refers to faith, or to ‘ye have been saved,’ is a doubtful question; for both interpretations are grammatically possible…” [emphasis added].8 Candlish fractures Paul’s thought here with a theologically motivated parenthesis. Apparently, he embraced the Calvinistic supposition that “dead” (Eph 2:1 5) denotes inability. However, Paul’s grammar precludes such a definition for dead: People are saved (made alive) through faith. Timothy Nichols argues persuasively in that: In their own chosen terminology, what each commentator [Lincoln, Wood, Alford, Lenski, Eadie, Anders, Bruce, Martin, Hoehner, Beare and Wedel, Simpson, Abbott, Hodge, and Robertson] affirms is this: faith is the instrumental cause of salvation, but grace is the principle cause [emphasis in original].9

[@timgrady4630]

​@danielbelteshazzar-mg7rb (Niemela continuing) "Instrumental cause must precede (by at least a split second) the action that is effected. A simple, but profound implication is that instrumental means must precede (even by a millisecond) the action for which it is a means. An illustration may help: The car started through Mr. Smith’s turning the key. (Key turns, then car starts.) Ephesians were made alive (saved) through faith. (Faith first, then one is made alive.) Both underlined phrases preceded the italicized ones.10 The Calvinist model is akin to the car starting before one turns the key. It reverses the sequence which Paul’s grammar requires. That is not this view’s only distortion. B. Distortion #2: Touto (This) Refers to Pistis (Faith) New Testament statistics strongly deny that touto refers to faith. Viewing faith as God’s gift here also runs afoul of Paul’s usage of neuter singular forms of the demonstrative houtos. Paul simply does not use neuter forms of houtos to refer to feminine nouns, such as pistis (faith).11 In the Majority Text, Paul uses 139 neuter singulars of the word houtos, usually translated as this. One hundred of those refer to multiple-word conceptual units: 13 uses referring to a paragraph (a neuter referent) 20 to a sentence (a neuter referent) 66 to a clause (a neuter referent) + 1 to a phrase (a neuter referent) 100 uses referring to multiple-word conceptual units He uses neuter singulars thirty-nine (39) times to refer to or modify neuter words. 9 uses referring to a neuter relative pronoun 5 uses referring to another neuter word + 25 uses as an attributive adjective modifying a neuter word 39 uses referring to or modifying a neuter wordThe main take-away is that Paul simply does not refer to masculine or feminine nouns via neuter forms of houtos. Some may find comparing the nominative singular forms of houtos with a masculine, a feminine, and a neuter noun helpful: Masculine: houtos: houtos ho anthrōpos = this man (anthrōpos is masculine) Feminine: hautē: hautē hē pistis = this faith (pistis is feminine) Neuter: touto: touto to arnion = this lamb (arnion is neuter) These forms are quite distinct. Only hautē would point to a feminine antecedent. In Eph 2:8, Paul uses touto. The standard Calvinist approach has an insurmountable hurdle."

[@TheHeavenTestdotnet-gr2ou]

Share the gospel of the grace of God - I Corinthians 15:1-4. I Corinthians 15:1-4 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.

[@AlvinFen]

You’re sharing the wrong good news~! The good news of 1 Cor 15:1-4 is written to believers and the salvation is they’re saved IF they hold fast. That is perseverance, and has to do with wellness at the bema judgment seat of Christ for believers 1 Cor 3:11-15. 1 Cor 15:58 makes this clear…how their labor will not be in vain. It has to do with their WORKS and REWARD.

[@GS-mh6ub]

​@@AlvinFenYou're saved period if you put your faith in the gospel of Jesus Christ.

[@AlvinFen]

@@GS-mh6ub It depends by what you mean by the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The simple Gospel is the promise of Jesus of the gift of eternal life taken freely. That is what Paul is talking about in 1 Timothy 1:15-16 which is to be the pattern for those who are going to believe in Jesus FOR eternal life. That is the bulls-eye of Paul’s Gospel. You’re not born again by Jesus death, burial, and resurrection. The life is in Jesus name, not in His work. Jesus death took care of the sin issue, so God can give sinners the gift of eternal life freely (John 20:31; 1:12-13; 3:16-18,36; 4:10,13-14,25-26; 5:24-25; 6:44-45; 10:28-29;11:25-27; 12:47-50). Bottom line…Paul’s Gospel only saves if one is given a revelation from the Father of Jesus the Christ. And that is how the Church is built on Matthew 16:15-20; John 10:16; 1 John 5:1; Luke 10:21-22).

[@AlvinFen]

@@GS-mh6ub The believer is expected to believe in Jesus death, burial, and resurrection, but is not a requirement to be born again. These verses will prove this. The death, and resurrection is the 8th sign in the Gospel of John, and the purpose of the signs is that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have LIFE IN HIS NAME. (John 1:12-13) The Gospel of John is the only book that is evangelistic (John 20:30-31 and was written during the Church Age. All eleven of Jesus disciples did not believe that Jesus would die, and be resurrected. No one did in John’s Gospel, as John 3:32-33 makes clear, but yet they were born again as Matt 16:15-23 makes clear. It wasn’t until after Jesus resurrection the last one of the eleven to certify God as true was Thomas John 20:29. One is born again when they hear the voice of the Son of God in the Scriptures, and at that moment they pass out of death and into life (John 5:24- 25; 10:16; 12:47-50). The command the Father gave the Son to speak is the command of everlasting life, if not believed will come back on the last day and judge you (Rev 20:15; John 12:47-50).

[@minorsingingairhead]

@@AlvinFen You are correct about the context of the passage being about sanctification. But this is, in fact, the correct good news. Paul said, "Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you" (1 Cor 15:1) - that is, the gospel he preached to the Corinthians. The gospel, which saves, is the same gospel which Paul applied here in this sanctification context. Anyway, he did not preach a GES gospel to the Corinthians, sorry.

[@robertcain3426]

The other versions don't leave it out, 'those who walk after the Spirit and not the flesh'. Rather, the KJV puts it in twice. Because its made clear in verse 4. There is now no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus because they are under grace and not law. For it is through the law that condemnation comes. Take away the law and you take away the condemnation that comes with it.

[@murraylloyd6011]

I went to the blue letter bible and looked at word in strongs "katakrima" and it does not seem to confirm what's been said it says. "Damnatory sentence " even the root word seems to say sentence passed. So I don't know.

[@AnnieOneill-mi3ff]

Bob could l correspond with you privately.

[@TheWhyisthatso]

Paul is saying that "God" is your "mind" ......the word "spirit" means "mind" (consciousness) . "God is Spirit" ( John 4:24 ) "God" is the Mind and Consciousness in all people and in all things created ...... not some old man up in the sky somewhere . If we "walk" (LIVE) after the "Spirit".....we have God's "Mind" (Spirit) and have "crucified" ( put to death ) the "carnal mind" of "flesh" , that enslave us ........as Jesus taught , showed, and commanded us . " That old serpent called the devil and Satan (man's own carnal mind) that DECEIVES the whole world. " ( Revelation 12:9 )

[@soljos1190]

No Lexicon known to man affirms your Eisegesis .

[@soljos1190]

What is it you're affirming - specifically , precisely , and without exception - one must Necessarily believe and Perform until death in order to be born again with endless Everlasting Life to enter His Kingdom ?

[@TheWhyisthatso]

@@soljos1190 ......The word "spirit" in Hebrew is "ruach".....and it means "breath" or "wind" . The word "spirit" in Greek is "pneuma"......and it means "air" . Jesus says that "God is Spirit" in John 4:24 . So I ask you.......which one of these is "God".....your "breath", the "wind" in your hair, or the "air" around you ? WHICH ???

[@soljos1190]

@@TheWhyisthatso You didn't answer my highly unambiguous question . You literally stated above that Paul says that "God is your mind" . Who's the "your" ? Is "God" ..."your" mind when you sin ? Doesn't follow , logically . Textbook Non Sequiter . There's an infinite Gulf between the temporal and the Eternal . Only the Eternal is in a position to Give that which is Everlasting . "God is Spirit" (John 4:24) is Ontologically an entirely different affirmation . Distinct categories . One must be born again (from above) to enter His endless Kingdom . You didn't indicate what is that one must Necessarily believe - and Perform until death - to be forever regenerated and thus invested with His Everlasting Life that He alone possesses , intrinsically . All mere humans have No such intrinsic attribute , as "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God" . You and I - nor any other mere human who's ever existed - aren't the One who alone possess immortality . The New Nature born from above is only a Received capacity , contingent upon faith in Him for His doubtless Guarantee of irrevocable Everlasting Life , apart from all behavioral performance (works) : John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9 . Honestly , whatever it is you're attempting to affirm makes no sense whatsoever .

[@TheWhyisthatso]

@@soljos1190 .......I asked you what "spirit" is.......and I gave you the definitions of the word in Hebrew and Greek . Jesus says that "God is Spirit" in John 4:24 . So.....is Jesus saying that God is your "breath", the "wind" that blows, or the "air" around you .......which is it ? It is neither, the word "spirit" is a metaphor for the "mind" or our "consciousness". And the scriptures themselves prove this. Mankind has a "fallen consciousness" or a "carnal mind" . This "carnal mind" of man is also called the "serpent", the "devil" and "Satan"......all metaphors for the "carnal mind" of man that deceives the whole world . ( Revelation 12:9 )

[@2Chronicles714_]

Romans chapter 8 debunks the assursion that how you live is irrelevant (and a believer can be carnal) to your Salvation. Romans 8:1,4,6-9,13 There is therefore now NO CONDEMNATION to them which are in Christ Jesus, WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH, BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT. 4That the RIGHTEOUSNESS of the law might be FULFILLED IN us,WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE BUT, AFTER THE SPIRIT. 6For TO BE CARNALLY MINDED IS DEATH; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Without repenting of sins one cannot receive the Holy Spirit [Acts 2:38] 13For IF YE LIVE AFTER THE FLESH, YE SHALL DIE: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live

[@soljos1190]

Doesn't say : "Will be forever condemned and go to the endless lake of fire" , which is what you're inferring . Romans is written to the already born again brethren . Not an Evangelistic nor eternal Justification before God context unlike Romans 3:20-5:11 that undeniably excludes all Working for a Free Gift attempts to assign one's behavioral performance (works) as the Decisive Factor in one's Everlasting destination . You've yet to produce one Sub Nano Particle of Exegetical evidence to sustain your Working for a Lifetime for a Free and Never Deserving Gift proposition . Gonna have to consider an F-Minus × 4 for this Eisegetical effort ...

[@AlvinFen]

@@soljos1190 Exactly~!

[@2Chronicles714_]

@soljos1190 How do you think the way you do? Verse 1 There is therefore now NO CONDEMNATION to them which are in Christ Jesus, WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH, BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT. IF you follow free grace theology of living in the flesh you are Condemned. Do you understand what Condemned means? You die Spirituality and yet somehow avoid the lake of fire?

[@2Chronicles714_]

@AlvinFen Verse 6 For TO BE CARNALLY MINDED IS DEATH; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Let me guess Hodges says God may kill you if you are carnal ?

[@soljos1190]

​@@2Chronicles714_ To repeat the Objectively Verifiable - once again - nowhere in Romans 8 do the modifiers "endless/forever/eternal/everlasting" occur . Your Eisegesis is - once again - glaringly Obvious to anyone truly invested in the pursuit of Objective Truth . Interestingly , your entire scheme Tops Out in the flesh , without access to the New Man created "IN CHRIST JESUS" , having rejected His Free and Never Deserving Gift in favor of carrying your self styled Cross till death to atone for your sins that He somehow never quite Finished paying for . Without access to fellowship forgiveness IN CHRIST JESUS . Since you deny that anyone is born again with endless Everlasting Life this side of the Grave . It's just such a monstrous absurdity that underscores a Working for a Lifetime for a Free and Never Deserving Gift . Since you're a Filthy , Vile , Wretched , Horrible and despicable sinner...like me - and every other mere human who's ever existed - you're affirming the impossible . You're Spitting in the Face of the Spotless "Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world" l and exalting your behavioral performance (works) till death as the Decisive Factor in your Everlasting destination . No more poignant example of Prideful arrogance under cover of Christian terminology . Cut out of the same Cloth as the Judaizers/unregenerate Scribes and Pharisees (Matthew 23) who always seek to "Justify themselves in the sight of men" , to "establish their own righteouness"... ...having rejected His Free Gift (His imputed Righteousness) that is only by faith in Him apart from all working : Romans 4:1-8 . Jesus clearly stated that one's righteousness must "exceed that of the Scribes and Pharisees" to enter His Kingdom . And THAT righteousness isn't somehow inherent within a sinfilled and utterly Flawed human like me , or you , or any mere human who's ever existed . Thus , your contempt for others that consigns Zane Hodges to Hell (and all Free Gracers , apparently) , is borne of this behavioral Metric that is impossible to achieve . So , you're Stuck with trotting out your "mighty WORKS DONE IN HIS NAME" as your Infallible plea for Kingdom entrance , just as He indicated . Cuz it appears that you STILL think you're "good enough" , even though He said "Noone is good but God alone" . Still makes no sense whatsoever . Turning a Free Gift into a Lifetime Performance Contract truly takes a considerable TOLL on one's ability to operate within the Laws of Logic .

[@Barnabas70x7]

I have always believed that the born again believer can live without sinning by the Spirit. It’s becoming clearer to me how this is achieved by listening to this message. The discipline of our minds is a must for the New man in Christ to shine forth.