Debunking John Piper on Assurance of Salvation - Bob Wilkin

[@sodkasjunkie]

Everything you are saying is true ! I hate to admit that these men who I have looked up to and spent hours and hours listening to did nothing to help me when my assurance but made it worse! The level of despair I have been feeling since joining the reformed church has made me even more unsure of my salvation I didn’t even see it!!!

[@jarodchronister3522]

I left my local church for this very reason. I believe Piper is a false teacher and our preacher thought Piper was a solid Bible believer. Instead of stirring strife within the church, thought it best to graciously bow out. John 6:40 to me is just about all encompassing as far as salvation goes.

[@AJTramberg]

You left your church for sin

[@jarodchronister3522]

@@AJTramberg I left the church because they are a false church teaching John Pipers heretical teaching.

[@Nighhhts]

@@jarodchronister3522 I would have said something. False teachers are equivalent to murderers but worse…

[@Nighhhts]

@@jarodchronister3522 I would have said something; false teachers are essentially mrdrers, leading everyone they “teach” to perdition/damnation.

[@Nighhhts]

@@jarodchronister3522 Why didn’t you say anything? He’s leading them to perdition…

[@ethanplacella]

I always thought Piper was weird. He always talks in circles and creates more insecurity rather than security.

[@MrWeebable]

Once, a long time ago, Piper encountered the bitter pill of Calvinism. It took him two weeks of weeping before he could let go of his sense of love and justice and to accept the cognitive dissonance. You can hear the cognitive dissonance but also note that in most of his sermons you can also still hear the weeping.

[@drjlrust]

Yes. When I listen to him, I always walk away bewildered. The gospel is meant to be very simple, something even a very ordinary person can understand easily. We should not need endless celebrity Bible teachers, huge theology books, and five-syllable words to explain it.

[@ethanplacella]

@@drjlrust agreed. What also baffles me is how 1 John is about telling the difference between believers and unbelievers. And John even says, “so that you may know.” John as well as other places in scripture gave MUCH confidence of our faith.

[@timgrady4630]

​@@MrWeebable "Bitter pill of Calvinism" , indeed . It is the Worst of all possible News , when properly understood . Reduces to abject Fatalism . Mocks the true Nature and Character of the God who "so loved the World that He gave His only begotten Son , that whosoever that believes in Him shall not perish but has Everlasting Life". Theological Determinism (Calvinism) is a "gospel" of Doubt in one's Everlasting destination , rather than Objective certitude (John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9) .

[@keithwolfe1942]

Calvinism is a perversion of the wonderful gospel given by our wonderfully fantastic Lord Jesus Christ

[@2Chronicles714_]

Easy believism is the disgrace.

[@soljos1190]

@@2Chronicles714_ "Easy Believism" IS Grace ! Better yet , "Free Believism"...Free of all working for the Free and Never Deserving Gift of Endless Everlasting Life ? You have No Idea Whatsoever where you're going when you physically die based on your 5 Part Performance Contract till death . Impossible to have Doubtless Certitude based on the Object of your faith: Your Perseverance in Filthy Rags righteousness attempts to "come in some other way", having rejected His PERFECT work of Redemption that Finished ALL the work Necessary that His Free and Never Deserving Gift can indeed be Free of all Cost to all its recipients .

[@karinecarde1254]

​@2Chronicles714_ God said it is finished! You are confused. Progressive sanctification is discipleship and it matters for rewards at the Bema seat, NOT for Salvation. Read the whole Bible, friend!

[@truthseeker5698]

@@2Chronicles714_lay off the chronic, turn to Jesus The Messiah, not your Christ of Calvinism, if you’re willing.

[@Sprbgmack]

Great message thank you god bless 🇨🇦❤️

[@CarnivoreMeatEater]

We don't look within for our Salvation, we look 100% at Jesus and his Works for our Salvation.

[@danielmorais8745]

The moment we believe in Jesus and trust in his perfect blood shed on the cross to forgive our sins past presente and future we are save Forever sealed and batized into the body of Crist impossíble to lose salvation

[@timgrady4630]

Belief alone in the Christ (Jesus) alone regenerates forever , in every single Evangelistic/Everlasting Life passage . Forgiveness of sins is always a Temporal consideration . Never an Everlasting issue . 1 John 1:6-9 clearly states the reality of ongoing Forgiveness in a Fellowship Discipleship context . His work of Redemption has Judicially dealt with all sins ever committed , that His Free and Never Deserving Gift can indeed be without Cost to all its recipients: John 1:12-13,3:1-18,4:1-39,5:24,6:28-47,11:23-27,20:31 . So , it's not about our sins , but all about belief in Him for what He actually Certifies : the Free Gift itself .

[@mauriceb53]

@@danielmorais8745 We must also repent and be baptized for the forgiveness of sins to contact the cleansing blood and then remain until death to receive the crown of life - Acts 2:38; 22:16; Rev.1:5; 2:10

[@timgrady4630]

@AlvinFen Bless you bro ! You and your Household !

[@JamesRDavenport]

The bottom line is this, do you believe the Bible is the Word of God? Do you trust its witness? Do you understand from that who Jesus is? John 3:16 said whosoever believes. It's not a trick word. Whosoever means exactly what it says...you! If you believe on Jesus for what he has done you are saved because GOD says so in the Word. That is your assurance. Trust that, remember it. Your feelings day-to-day mean nothing compared with it. Rest in the guarantee of Christ. It's for you!

[@2Chronicles714_]

Believes according to Jesus means to live for and in Him, not simply believing He exists.

[@JamesRDavenport]

@@2Chronicles714_ That's not what I said. But while we're on the subject, there are not 3 different kinds of faith. There is no "heart faith vs head faith" either. There is just faith, one, belief. The actual Word of God makes no such distinctions. I am persuaded Jesus is who he says he is and did all that he did for me. I trust him. Therefore I have eternal life. That's Gospel. Calvin is not Gospel. Lordship salvation is anything but salvation.

[@Nighhhts]

@@2Chronicles714_ False… stop conflating discipleship with eternal salvation. The former is works of the Law, which do not save anyone whatsoever. In fact, the Law ONLY condemns. Eternal salvation comes SOLELY, EXCLUSIVE by believing the Gospel, which is the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. It can either be WORKS (of the Law) or GRACE (through faith in Christ), it CANNOT be both, ever.

[@Nighhhts]

@@2Chronicles714_ Also, he never said anything about simply “believing He exists,” He clearly referenced John 3:16, which is about putting your FAITH (TRUST/CONFIDENCE) in Christ and His death, burial and resurrection (His perfect obedience to the Law and thereby His defeating of sin and death). THIS is how you are saved, not how much or how hard you work and “live for God.” God’s standard is PERFECTION, so either be perfect and save yourself, or believe in Christ, Who became our PERFECTION for us.

[@Adam-ue2ig]

Personally I identify as a Reformed believer and I don't have fleeting moments of assurance and this is the best Calvinism has to offer...on the contrary I believe in my assurance all day by the finished work of Christ.

[@inChristLife]

How sure are you that you are among the elect and what is your basis for this assurance?

[@Adam-ue2ig]

@@inChristLife The finished work of Christ. He died for my sins and rose again!

[@Adam-ue2ig]

@@inChristLife Ephesians 1:13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee[a] of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it,[b] to the praise of his glory.

[@inChristLife]

What do you mean, "I identify as a Reformed believer?" Did you believe because God regenerated you and gave you the gift of faith?

[@Adam-ue2ig]

​​@inChristLife Yes...that is what Reformed Christians believe! As opposed to arminians that believe they choose on their own free will or that salvation is synergistic as Catholic claim.

[@bobobricklayer]

Dude, I definitely disagree with you. Do you pray w/o feeling fellowship with God? Of course we experience the assurance that we belong to Him when we pray, but not only when we pray. I’m glad that I had no formal theological training to confuse the simplicity of redemption. The gospel is to be experienced just as described in I Cor 1. “He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; he who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed the testimony that God has given of His Son. And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.” ‭‭I John‬ ‭5‬:‭10‬-‭11‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

[@MrWeebable]

Solid passage, thanks for sharing this one!

[@soljos1190]

Piper doesn’t KNOW . Same with every "consistent Calvinist" . "Best assurance" ? Textbook Oxymoron . He Tops Out at purely Subjective criteria : introspection . Objective certitude only comes from His doubtless Guarantee of irrevocable Everlasting Life. However , Little children can easily understand and believe in Him for what He actually Certifies : John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9 .

[@danieloutloud9151]

I am a Calvinist in part in that I believe Christ's death paid for all not some of the lost . From the first millisecond God reached in and redeemed my soul from death I had absolute assurance of my salvation and that has never wavered . I was definitely born again by the Spirit of God and made a New Creation . Whatever has been said by whom I NEVER needed to stand around with my hands in my pockets waiting for a second manifestation via good works . My desires went through a 180 Degree shift , immediately and from then on I more and more wanted to please God .

[@soljos1190]

What is it you're affirming- specifically , precisely , without exception - one must Necessarily believe and Perform till death in order to enter His Kingdom ? Thanks .

[@danieloutloud9151]

@@soljos1190 That is absolutely NOT what I'm saying . To get that from what I said is to be blind and ignorant . I said , without having to observe anything AT ALL I have the assurance of my salvation , no works till death nonsense that you're blathering about . God saved me and changed me entirely INSIDE my assurance comes with this change . If I needed to do the works to prove my salvation that would merely be legalism . I did become the kind of person that DESIRED to please God via the being Born Again into a new person .

[@soljos1190]

@@danieloutloud9151 If you become an Adulterous Drug Addicted Murderer , and spiral into an extended period of depression and bitterness , capped off by becoming an Atheist , who then commits suicide : Where would you spend Eternity ?

[@Nighhhts]

@@soljos1190 If he believed in Christ and His death, burial and resurrection (the Gospel), then according to Christ, he’s going to Heaven.

[@soljos1190]

@@Nighhhts There's not a single passage in Scripture that states : "Whosoever believes the GOSPEL has Everlasting Life" . Or : "Whosoever that believes the DBR is born again with irrevocable Everlasting Life". N9where in Scripture are His attributes/works He performed (DBR) the Object and Content of one's faith (the Bullseye) whereby one is irreversibly regenerated . "Gospel" has a wide contextual and Lexical semantic range . Good news about WHAT precisely , underscores my above highly unambiguous question . The Only Exegetically derived Good News is simple childlike faith in the Christ (Jesus) for His doubtless Guarantee of irrevocable Everlasting Life . His Person & Promise . The Giver of the forever Gift . The Bullseye (John 3:16,4:10-14,5:24,6:28-47,11:23-27,20:31 & Ephesians 2:8-9 ; Romans 3:20-5:11) . It is a Reductio ad Absurdum that removes all subjective criteria. He's claiming to be a T.U.L.I.P. Calvinist , on one hand . Doesn't make sense . Theological Determinism (Calvinism) is inherently inimical to His Objective Guarantee of endless Everlasting Life , apart from Perseverance till death. The very "P" of the T.U.L.I.P. undeniably underscores that . Perseverance of the Saints is a denial of His Objective Guarantee of endless Everlasting Life , apart from Perseverance till death in an Unknowable level of hopefully good enough behavioral performance (works) , faithfulness (etc.) In order to "prove" that one's arbitrarily given "Gift of faith" was genuine .

[@anacovarrubias9423]

We are told to test the spirit. We are also told the traits of bad spirits and the Holy Spirit. Those traits help us understand I believe whether the person we’re learning from is either telling the truth or lying. May God be with you all and always live in prayer.

[@hunterhestekin7420]

Bob Wilkin is my favorite Bible teacher!

[@garithstelly9145]

He is solid on gospel for sure👍❤🙏

[@PDL4747]

Wonderful teaching, Bob... thank you so much!

[@ronaldsimmons9517]

It's amazing how all these "Doctors" have sick patients.

[@hughmccann919]

Assurance is found in John 5:24 & John 6:35, 40, 47-48.

[@fredpena643]

Introspection is crazy look unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith This man is one frie short of a Happy Meal

[@MrWeebable]

5:11 I find it frustrating to hear preachers make these lists that are like disclaimers at the end of advertisement. If you do this AND this AND this ANd also etc. At least half of these lists consist of vague and unactionable metaphors like 'reach out to Christ'. Or subjective feelings like 'find yourself drawn out to say yes'. Every addition to the list is just a way to move the goalposts so the speaker dismiss complaints of laymen who still haven't found assurance. "Well did you reach out to Christ?" "Did you look to the cross?" "Did you genuinely repent?" "Do you not feel yourself drawn to Him?" It's a coping mechanism, as the most popular Reformed speakers admit they don't have assurance themselves.

[@gek1406]

I agree. That's why I believe Prov. 22:20-21 is important in all things. ".... that you answer THE WORDS OF TRUTH to them that send unto you." Not the terminologies of man. It's sad. Assurance is in believing the Gospel message, 1 Corinth. 15:1-4, that it's for you personally. This is wonderful and doubt-removing because it's true>> kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJ2WmGqcbq6Ld5Y >> "No one has ever believed Paul's gospel in vain." See why that is true. Context is king!! This was just icing-on-the-cake of dispelling my decades of periodic doubts caused by man's ideas. What a parched land is Calvinism's teachings that have crept into many churches. Another great blessing is Grace Evangelical Society on KZbin.

[@mervynsykes3482]

Rom., Ch 5 Therefore being justified ( declared righteous) by Faith (through or upon immediate and instantaneous) we havel peace with God.

[@frasierkrane266]

I know that JP is a five point calvy but other than that, I’m not sure what either man is articulating here

[@murraylloyd6011]

Mr Piper is mystifying a simple fact found in the written promise of eternal life made to him who believed.

[@fredpena643]

I agree with Bob's interpretation of Roman's 8 verse 15 and 16

[@AndrewLane-pm2ro]

I will be assured on my salvation when Christ judges me on the Last Day and grants me eternal life.

[@soljos1190]

Based on what , precisely ? What is it you're affirming - spec , precisely , without exception - one must Necessarily believe and Perform till death in order to be born again with irrevocable Everlasting Life ?

[@AndrewLane-pm2ro]

@soljos1190 You ask "Based on what, precisely?" Based on this, I presume: "the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Rev 14:12, 12:17).

[@timgrady4630]

​@@AndrewLane-pm2ro So , you don't have Doubtless Certitude of your Everlasting destination based upon your need to Persevere till death in a Never Knowable level of hopefully good enough behavioral performance (works) . John 5:24 directly refutes that notion : "24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. *** "Never perish...shall not come into judgement but has passed from death to life... Cannot be plucked from My or the Father's hand... whoever comes to Me I shall in NO WISE cast out... shall Never die...I will Never leave you nor forsake you...shall Never hunger or thirst". His Free and Never Deserving Gift has no expiration date attached once received by simple childlike faith in Him FOR it , as Paul himself designates: "as a pattern of them who would believe in Him FOR eternal life" (1 Timothy 1:16) . Apart from Perseverance in behavioral performance (works) : Ephesians 2:8-9 ; Romans 3:20-5:11,11:6,29 ; Titus 3:5 ; Philippians 3:9 ; book of Galatians .

[@Adam-ue2ig]

Thus...I really do believe that folks in the free grace camp tend to have a straw man view of Calvinists...there might be a few self proclaimed Calvinist that articulate salvation or perseverance in a funky way but this is not what I have seen and read in historic Reformed Confessions and individual historic Reformed Theologians.

[@soljos1190]

What is it you're affirming- specifically , precisely , without exception - one must Necessarily believe and Perform till death in order to be born again with irrevocable Everlasting Life ? Thanks .

[@Igrejareformadatabern6980]

​@@soljos1190No, this isn't calvinism. Calvinism teachs your security is in Christ, if you believe Him, you are an elect, so you can be sure about your salvation, Jesus died for you, this is the base for security in calvinism.

[@soljos1190]

@@Igrejareformadatabern6980 Incorrect . Perseverance of the saints Tops Out at Guesswork of one's Everlasting destination . One Cannot possibly have Doubtless Certitude of one's Everlasting destination based upon one's frail , fallible , wholly imperfect Perseverance in Performance (works/faithfulness) till death . Calvinism reduces to utter Fatalism . Means you don't exist , ontologically . Monovolitionism/Monergism assigns all Responsibility for Evil to this Singular Will , therefore rendering human responsibility void . It is the Worst of all possible News , properly understood . Whereas , the doubt free Guarantee of irrevocable Everlasting Life - by simple childlike faith in Him FOR it - alone sets the Anchor in the Water , forever (John 1:12-13,3:1-18,4:1-39,5:24,6:28-47,10,11:23-27,20:31 ; 1 John 5:1,10-13 ; 1 Timothy 1:16 ; Acts 16:31 ; Galatians 2:16,3:26 & Ephesians 2:8-9 ; Romans 3:20-5:11,11:6,29 ; Titus 3:5 ; Philippians 3:9 ; book of Galatians . Looking to one's Perseverance in Performance till death is the sure recipe for Doubt, the antithesis of faith in Him for what He actually Certifies: John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9 .

[@bobferguson1425]

Great response thank God for a ,now so salvation!

[@ramlin35]

As someone who has been in Reformed Baptist Church and interacted with other "Calvinist" churches for over 12 years, I can tell you that we do know that we have assurance of our salvation because our sins have been forgiven because of the finished work of our Lord Jesus Christ atoning work on the cross. As a matter of fact, we read from scripture a verse that assures us of our salvation and the forgiveness of our sins after our confession of sins prayer every Sunday service. I've never heard anyone who is Reformed/Calvinist preach/teach that we can't be sure of our salvation. Perseverance of the saints mean that God's promises are true and will be fulfilled.

[@timgrady4630]

Here's my exchange with a Calvinistic : 1. All of those "human atrocities" were not only Foreordained/Decreed , but "Authored" by this "god" , on Theological Determinism (Calvinism) . And every conceivable Evil ever committed. With ZERO possibility that it could have turned out otherwise than this Singular Will Decreed and performed , given Monovolitional Monergism . But Scripture clearly affirms its impossibility . God's revealed Nature and Character brooks no such "Compatibility" : 1 John 2:16 says, “The lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life-comes not from the Father but from the world.” Calvin said otherwise . "I ...ask how it is that the Fall of Adam involves so many nations with their infant children in eternal death without remedy unless that is so deemed by God?...The decree , I admit , is dreadful; and yet it is impossible to deny that God foreknew what the end of Man was to be before he made him, and foreknew, because He had so ordained by His decree...God not only foresaw the Fall of the first man , and in him the ruin of his posterity ; but also at His own pleasure so arranged it" (Calvin's Institutes/3,23,sec 7 , 1063) Calvinist Edwin Palmer affirms that God's Predestination causes : ..."the moving of a finger , the beating of a heart , the laughter of a girl , the mistake of a typist---even sin". (The Five Points Of Calvinism , 25) . 2. God's Will is NECESSITY , not Permission , says Calvin . Therefore , "Compatibilism" is neither what Calvin himself taught , nor is it a coherent concept when Monovolitionism/Monergism is presupposed . ..."the will of God is necessity". ..."the counsels and wills of men are so governed as to move exactly in the course which He has destined" ..."Since the arrangement of all things is in the hand of God ...He arranged all things ...in such a way that individuals are born , who are DOOMED FROM THE WOMB to certain death...all events take place by His sovereign appointment " *** So there you have it : Calvinism properly understood is a Cosmic Puppet Show whereby One Will has utter and Complete Control over "all things whatsoever that come to pass" (Calvin). Including Raping , torturing and then dismembering babies for FUN . Worse yet , this Singular Will Necessarily must Perform every soteriological detail from A-Z , because there exists no other Will capable of resisting . Perseverance of the Puppets , is a far more accurate depiction . Perseverance till death in an Unknowable level (%) of hopefully good enough behavioral performance (repentance/works) is the Theological Determinist's only "sniff" at being one of the arbitrarily and fortuitously Zapped ones , who somehow won the Cosmic Lottery . Tops Out at Guesswork . That's Doubt : the antithesis of faith in Him FOR His doubtless Guarantee of irrevocable Everlasting Life , apart from Perseverance in Performance (works) . Little kids can easily understand and believe in Him for what He actually Certifies (John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9) , instantly having irrevocable Life at that moment . Cuz He cannot lie to the little ones , unencumbered by years of self righteous hardening against Grace . No better News , ever .

[@markdiblasi3061]

The reason people have a problem with assurance is when they say the prayer you don’t see any fruit because they are not discipled afterwards. Jesus said make disciples and we are more concerned with making Christians.

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

Could God have created a world where no sacrifice was necessary?

[@mirandarogers3595]

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

[@soljos1190]

Great Scripture written to the already born again brethren in a Discipleship sanctification context . John 1:12-13,3:1-18,4:1-39,5:24,6:28-47,11:23-27,20:31 ; 1 John 5:1,10-13 ; Acts 16:31 : 1 Tim. 1:16 ; Galatians 2:16,3:26 ... & Ephesians 2:8-9 ; Romans 3:20-5:11,11:6,28 ; Titus 3:5 ; Philippians 3:9 ; book of Galatians . All show that simple childlike faith in the Christ (Jesus) FOR His doubtless Guarantee of Everlasting Life alone sets the Anchor in the Water , forever .

[@mirandarogers3595]

@@soljos1190 no it is written for people to be saved.

[@soljos1190]

@@mirandarogers3595 15:2 clearly states otherwise . "If you hold fast" is Conditional language unlike the Book of John (Everlasting Life) . His Doubtless Guarantee of irrevocable Everlasting Life is Uncononce received by simple childlike faith in Him FOR it, as Paul himself designates: Acts 16:31 : 1 Timothy 1:16 ; Galatians 2:16,3:26 ; Ephesians 2:8-9 ; Romans 3:20-5:11 . Corinthians is a Discipleship sanctification context written to the already born again brethren invested with His endless Life . John is clearly framed as Evangelistic (20:31) .

[@soljos1190]

@@mirandarogers3595 Does 1 Corinthians 15:1-11 Contradict John 3:16? July 13, 2021 by Bob Wilkin in Blog - 1 Corinthians 15:1-11, the cross and the promise of life A reader expresses his agreement with our understanding of what it means to believe in Christ, and then he asks how we explain 1 Cor 15:1-11: So, I was reading a few blog posts from the GES about what it means to believe in Christ. However, I actually had already known (more or less) of what your stance about this question is (being that I like your ministry, listen to your podcast, read your blogs and whatnot, etc.). And, as it is, through reading John, I too agree that “belief in Christ” (the belief necessary for eternal life) is the belief that He guarantees everlasting life, not the belief in Christ’s works. Anyway, the actual reason I was reading the blogs in the first place is because I was wondering how our position on salvific belief would be defended in the reading of 1 Corinthians 15-vv. 1-4 specifically. One would imagine that whatever was “of first importance” (v.2) to Paul would be whatever can trigger everlasting life in a person; nevertheless, Paul makes no mention of believing that Jesus guarantees eternal life. His emphasis is explicitly on believing the death, burial, and resurrection. So, how would you reconcile this passage with the belief that Jesus grants eternal life to those who belief just that? I have written on 1 Cor 15:1-11 on several occasions. See a 2019 blog on believing in vain here, a 2008 Grace in Focus Magazine article dealing with things that people add and take away from 1 Cor 15:1-11 to try to make it evangelistic, here, and a 2020 blog on the need to hold fast, here. I will summarize what I say in those articles. First, the Gospel of John was written long after the birth of the Church to tell people in the church age what they must do be saved (John 20:31). Nicodemus (John 3) and the woman at the well (John 4) both came to faith, yet there is no indication that the Lord preached the cross and resurrection to either. (He did allude to the cross in John 3:14-15, but even the disciples did not understand this as a reference to Jesus’ dying. Compare Matt 16:21-23. The eleven disciples were born again years before they believed in Jesus’ death and resurrection.) Second, 1 Corinthians 15 is the great resurrection chapter. Paul is not evangelizing in this chapter. On this side of the birth of the Church, people come to faith in Christ for everlasting life by learning of His death and resurrection for us. Yet that is not the point of 1 Cor 15:1-11. Paul is calling the Corinthians to ongoing sanctification. He is writing to believers in Corinth on the importance of Jesus’ resurrection in their daily walks. Third, vv 1-11 serve to introduce the chapter. Paul’s point in these verses is that the believers in Corinth can be spiritually healthy by holding fast to the good news that Paul preached to them concerning Jesus’ death, burial, and resurrection. The salvation mentioned in 1 Cor 15:2 is not a past completed event as in Eph 2:8-9. Instead, it is a present tense ongoing salvation that is contingent on holding fast to the gospel Paul preached. That salvation is being spiritually healthy. Compare 1 Cor 3:15; 5:5. Fourth, the point of 1 Cor 15:1-11 is clearly found in Paul’s call to the believers in Corinth to hold fast to the truth of the gospel (1 Cor 15:2). It is possible that a believer will stop living at the foot of the cross and the entrance to the empty tomb. We must hold fast if we are to remain spiritually healthy. Fifth, those who seek to make 1 Cor 15:1-11 into an evangelistic text have to do a lot of adding and taking away. They have to add the promise of everlasting life, which is not mentioned in this passage, as the reader points out in his question. They have to add that the moment one believes in Jesus he receives that life. The passage says nothing about what we receive at the moment we first believe. They have to take away the requirement that one hold fast to the gospel in order to stay saved. This passage does not contain what we find when Paul discusses the message of life. Compare Acts 16:31; Eph 2:8-9; 1 Tim 1:16.

[@mirandarogers3595]

@@soljos1190 The verse that I posted is the gospel of how we are saved today.

[@2Chronicles714_]

The cross changed everything including how to be born again. Bob claims John's gospel is the only one for evangelism acknowledges it was written about 60 years after the resurrection, yet never says how people that died during that 60 years were born again ? Acts 2 occurred right after the resurrection which is the day of pentecost. A young John was also there and did not correct Peter. Acts 2 is the start of the church . It was the first time in church where some asked how to be saved. Acts 2:37-41 is the message of salvation for all Jew and Gentile (see verse 39). 37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart [with remorse and anxiety], and they said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what are we to do?” 38And Peter said to them, “Repent [change your old way of thinking, turn from your sinfull ways, accept and follow Jesus as the Messiah] and be baptized, each of you, in the name of Jesus Christ because of the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39For the promise [of the Holy Spirit] is for you and your children and for all who are far away [including the Gentiles], as many as the Lord our God calls to Himself.” 40And Peter solemnly testified and continued to admonish and urge them with many more words, saying, “Be saved from this crooked andunjust generation!” 41So then, those who accepted his message were baptized; and on that day about 3,000 souls were added [to the body of believers]. Repent Believe Be water baptized Receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

[@soljos1190]

You're literally working for a Free Gift , based upon a Theological Determinism (Calvinistic) Your "faith" (Perseverance in Performance till death) is a superimposed, Irresistible and Unconditional "Gift" wholly apart from His Free and Never Deserving Gift of Endless Everlasting Life . But there's zero Exegetical evidence of the Calvinistic Gift of faith in the Bible . Worse yet , you make your Perseverance till death in hopefully good enough behavioral performance (works) the Decisive factor in your Everlasting destination (working for a Free and Never Deserving Gift) . Which means you NEVER actually possess His Free and Never Deserving Gift of Endless Everlasting Life in this Life . One who only and always believes that isn't saved Eternally , according to every single Evangelistic/Everlasting Life/endless Justification before God passage in the Bible . It so very obviously contradicts Ephesians 2:8-9 ; Romans 3:20-5:11,11:6,29 ; Titus 3:5 ; Philippians 3:9 ; book of Galatians . Working for a Free and Never Deserving Gift is the Doctrine of the Judaizers/unregenerate Scribes and Pharisees (Matthew 23) who also had contempt for others while "Justifying themselves in the sight of men" . Only way to get His PERFECT Righteousness imputed is to believe in Him for what He actually Certifies , apart from looking to one's Filthy Rags righteousness as the "infallible metric" of Kingdom entrance . Cuz you ain't Sinless . You ain't Jesus . So , your soteriology is the clearest possible rejection of His Finished Work of Redemption , having fully Finished ALL the work Necessary , that His Free and Never Deserving Gift can indeed be without Cost to all its recipients : John 4:10-14 & Ephesians 2:8-9) . Your "God" is the one that appears when you look in the mirror .

[@wlewis7946]

If a Calvinist believe they have the assurance of salvation through faith. How is that in itself different from osas people who believe the same thing. The only difference is how that faith they believe came to fruitation. Does that difference matter for salvation? Really?

[@CDPTN]

I am curious, since you mentioned it at the beginning of the video, what is your stance on repentance and salvation?

[@GESvids]

*Turn or Burn? - Do I Need to Repent of My Sins to Be Saved?* - Bob Wilkin kzbin.info/www/bejne/iGjSm4Wvmqljeq8 Have you ever been told that you need to turn from your sins or you will burn in hell? Have you ever been told that you need to repent of your sins for salvation? Bob Wilkin looks at what one needs to do in order to receive everlasting life, and whether repentance is needed in in addition to believing in Jesus for everlasting life.

[@ronbozich9757]

I'm not a calvinist, but I believe in the guarantee that Yashua Himself tells His sheep in John 10:27-30. Shalom!

[@smilebigryan]

I've been saying that Calvinism makes you more insecure about your salvation for many years. It's good to hear some confirmation.

[@karinecarde1254]

Thoughts have consequences, and so does wrong doctrine. The ravages of religion are very serious. False doctrines are from the evil one and send billions to hell. That's horrible. God wants us to believe and know that we have eternal life, not feel like we do. God hates religion, He IS the Truth! Great episode, thank you.

[@dostoyevski9423]

Dear brother in Christ, your channel has been a great blessing for the edification of the Body of Christ, I praise the Lord that He continues to use people who are committed and diligent in the faith as in your case. ¿Do you have a video where you explain how we should interpret Romans 9? Calvinists use this chapter to support the doctrine of "unconditional election" suggesting that the phrase “I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy” (Rom 9:15) indicates that God's mercy is limited only to some chosen ones. They also use the verse: "so then it is not in him who wills, nor in him who runs, but in God, Who shows mercy" (Rom 9:16) thinking that this refers to the fact that no human being could be saved if God had not chosen him beforehand. ¿How should we interpret that correct? Thanks

[@GESvids]

Romans - Part 26 - Romans 9:14-33 - Ken Yates & Kathryn Wright kzbin.info/www/bejne/qXrYf4Caic6sipo Kathryn Wright and Ken Yates are continuing to look at the (sometimes difficult) issues of Romans Chapter 9. Did God really harden Pharaoh’s heart? And was this part of God’s predestination of Pharaoh? Yet the Old Testament account says that Pharaoh hardened his own heart first. How does Pharaoh play into Paul’s argument in Romans chapter 9? How does God use his life and choices.

[@Tom-h1s]

Charles Finney believed in Total Sanctification he believed all the Apostles achieved this state before being Martyred for Christ the more you love Christ the more you will become like him not as him

[@timgrady4630]

Finney isn't an inspired writer of Scripture . Both Theological Determinism (Calvinism) and Arminianism reduce to doubt of one's Everlasting destination based upon the need to Persevere till death in a Never Knowable level of hopefully good enough behavioral performance (works) . Both antithetical to His Objective Guarantee of irrevocable Everlasting Life simply by childlike faith in Him for the Free and Never Deserving Gift: John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9 . Exegesis alone adjudicates any Truth Claim . Not invoking purely Fallible humans .

[@Adam-ue2ig]

It's not that the Reformed person is unsure about whether they will persevere and it's up to them to persevere rather you can know you are elect and that the Spirit Himself testifies with your Spirit that you are a child of God Romans 8:16...1 John 5:4 for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. It's simply not true that Reformed Calvinists are trusting in their works or their own selves to make it to the end...rather God finishes what he starts Phil 1:6. Reformed believe salvation is monergistic from beginning to end.

[@timothyross8985]

I am a Calvinist but don't believe in the L or P for salvation but full salvation reigning in life.

[@barujhashem8]

Repent. Repentance. First repent.

[@timgrady4630]

Repentance is works . Not faith . Only simple childlike faith in the Christ (Jesus) for His doubtless Guarantee of endless Everlasting Life regenerates forever , apart from all behavioral performance (works) : John 1:12-13,3:1-18,4:1-38,5:246:28-47,10,11:23-27,20:31 ; Acts 16:31 ; 1 Timothy 1:16 ; 1 John 5:1,10-13 ; Galatians 2:16,3:26 ... Apart from all behavioral performance (works) : Ephesians 2:8-9 ; Romans 3:20-5:11,11:6,29 ; Titus 3:5 ; Philippians 3:9 ; book of Galatians . Little children can easily understand and believe in Him for what He actually Certifies , instantly having irrevocable Life at that moment . Cuz He cannot lie to the little ones , unfettered by years of self righteousness hardening against Grace . No better News , ever (John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9) .

[@2Chronicles714_]

​@@timgrady4630 That's a lie from satan himself. IF all we have to do is believe then why did Jesus the disciples and Paul all say we must repent? How does your false theology explain Acts 20:21 I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they MUST TURN TO GOD IN REPENTANCE AND HAVE FAITH in our Lord Jesus. Paul preached works? Really? Or is it because you want to pretend its works?

[@2Chronicles714_]

​@@timgrady4630 Millions who memorized John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9 will never see the Kingdom of God.

[@richardwells8954]

Jesus said that you will know believers by their fruit. Sounds like "Perseverance of the saints" to me. Calvanists have a big GOD (the Author and finisher of their faith). Armenians have big Humans, who decide if God is good enough for them.

[@ZandJ12345]

That passage about fruit was referring to false prophets not false believers. We can know believers by their belief.

[@timgrady4630]

​@@ZandJ12345 Exactly true.

[@Adam-ue2ig]

I agree that it's not about fruit checking or looking to your feelings for assurance on the other hand what you seem to be advancing here is basically Sandemanianism i.e a mere intellectual assent as if the Christian life has no aspect of the inner witness of the Spirit or fruits of the Spirit or the Spirit filled life.

[@ZandJ12345]

Yes, faith is simple persuasion (intellectual assent). Although intellectual assent is a bit misleading as is presumes that there is no emotional element to the moment of saving faith but a simple intellectual exercise. While at its core, maybe we could say faith is intellectual assent, To say that someone would not have an emotional response to knowing they have eternal life would be strange and extremely unlikely. As to bearing fruit or a spirit filled life as you have said, that is not guaranteed in the Christian experience. Failure in the Christian life is possible and perseverance is not guaranteed. But Gods promise of eternal life to the believer in Him is guaranteed.

[@robertwheeler1158]

But the question remains, what about all the people who have fallen away from the faith, who have "deconverted"? Are they saved?

[@inChristLife]

"Deconverted"? Is this Biblical? Let's say someone believed in Jesus for eternal life in the past. Later that person denies Jesus. If he lost his salvation by denying Jesus, then his salvation was not only based on the faithfulness of Jesus to keep His promise.

[@robertwheeler1158]

@@inChristLife So these atheist KZbinrs who are constantly attacking Christianity are saved and going to heaven?

[@inChristLife]

​@@robertwheeler1158 I don't know who you are talking about. When someone believes in Jesus for eternal life, they have eternal life that can never be lost.

[@timgrady4630]

​@@robertwheeler1158 Straw Man Fallacy . Only way to be born again with irreversible Everlasting Life is to believe in Him for what He actually Certifies: John 3:16,6:28-47,11:23-27 & Ephesians 2:8-9 . There's no Time Limitation Objectively articulated in Scripture imposed on the recipients of the Free and Never Deserving Gift of Endless Everlasting Life , once received . One's behavioral Performance till death can give No assurance of one's Everlasting destination . You and I aren't Sinless , nor any human who's ever existed . So , either one gets the Everlasting Solution to one's Filthy Rags righteousness by way of His Free and Never Deserving Gift of His PERFECT Righteousness (Romans 4:1-8) , or one looks to their entirely frail , fallible Filthy Rags attempts to "come in some other way" than simple childlike faith in Him for what He Objectively Guarantees : John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9 . One's works better be Flawless for a Lifetime: James 2:10 ...in order to enter His Kingdom. Or : The Scriptural solution to acquiring His Free of all Merit Gift is to be like a little child , with nothing to Give or Take any Credit for , but only to believe . ..."therefore it (eternal Justification before God) is by faith that it might be according to Grace that the Promise would be Certain" (Romans 4:16) .

[@seanbillingham4887]

Yes, the Bible does say that he who believes In Jesus will receive eternal life. However, if people think that this belief comes from a decision made by us, then we have absolutely nothing and certainly not assurance. How many people do we see who sincerely believe for a season and then their faith disappears like the morning mist. Jesus said ‘And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.’ Hence, If Bob Wilkin is right then our faith is something that is reliant upon our current ability to believe and as Piper said faith is fickle. If Bob Wilkin is right Jesus must be wrong. Our faith is only secure if we recognise that God is sovereign and our faith is in his hands.

[@truthseeker5698]

The tulip tea has usurped your sense making Sean. Return to Jesus The Messiah s vine for refreshing the filth you’re experiencing.

[@stephenvos2380]

Mr Piper is a no go drama queen. His gospel is John Calvinism, lordship works, and his go to buddies are Steve Lawson, John MacArthur, and the late RC Sproul Avoid him to avoid slipping into his non good news teachings

[@Mark65845]

I’m confused. Isn’t Piper that guy who claimed to be a 7 point Calvinist, or was that someone else.

[@peterclarke3990]

John writes in 1 John c5v13 ‘These things I have written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God: that you may KNOW that ye have eternal life and that you may believe on the name of the Son of God’. God leaves you in no doubt about your salvation. Jesus did not die for you, shed His blood to cleanse you only to let you doubt yourself salvation. The Holy Spirit is the seal of your redemption, the guarantee of your inheritance. You are a purchased possession and the Lord Jesus Christ will redeem you upon your death or when He returns a second time if we are still here.

[@Jimmy-gk9rd]

Why do they always tslk about a pastor that has died and can't comment back 😮

[@DevinAndres]

Piper is alive. Thankfully!

[@timgrady4630]

​@@DevinAndres "Thankfully" ? For what ? That he's a verifiable promoter of a "gospel of Doubt" , based upon the god of Theological Determinism (Calvinism) ? John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9 alone refute his working for a Free Gift teaching .

[@ramlin35]

Have you tried engaging John Piper directly?

[@timgrady4630]

An exchange I'm having with a Reformed person : Spurgeon's name isn't found in the pages of inspired Scripture . Nor Calvin , MacArthur , Piper , Sproul et al . But John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9 are verifiably His Objective Guarantee of never ending Life, that renders Theological Determinism (Calvinism) impossible to sustain , Exegetically . Calvinism reduces to sheer Fatalism , logically . It assigns all responsibility to a Singular Decisive Will , given that it rejects human volitional capacity to do otherwise than wholly determined to do so - Irresistibly and Unconditionally - by an inscrutable Secret Decree . Therefore , the Fall of Lucifer/Adam to the Horrors of Auschwitz , to the unspeakable crimes of Mao , Pol Pot , Stalin , Hitler , Lenin , Charles Manson & Jeffrey Dahmer - to the last sin at the end of the Tribulation - were all meticulously determined/caused by this "god" : "God has sovereignly and unchangeably decreed whatsoever comes to pass for the praise of His own glory,” (WCF III.1) " John Calvin wrote: “…how foolish and frail is the support of divine justice afforded by the suggestion that evils come to be, not by His will but by His permission…It is a quite frivolous refuge to say that God otiosely permits them, when Scripture shows Him not only willing, but the author of them…Who does not tremble at these judgments with which God works in the hearts of even the wicked whatever He will, rewarding them nonetheless according to desert? Again it is quite clear from the evidence of Scripture that God works in the hearts of men to incline their wills just as he will, whether to good for His mercy’s sake, or to evil according to their merits. ” (John Calvin, “The Eternal Predestination of God,” 10:11) ***Not by "permission" , but is the "author" of all Evil , including Raping , torturing , and dismembering babies for Fun . *** So , this is the true "god" of Theological Determinism (Calvinism) . Spurgeon called Calvinism the "gospel" . I find it rather a slander against the revealed Nature and Character of the Only True God of Scripture . Theological Determinism (Calvinism) is the Worst of all Possible news , properly understood .

[@aarons6220]

Total distortion of the gospel and what Piper is saying.

[@RyanST89]

I consider myself more protestant than catholic. Piper and them do not claim that works have anything to do with your direct salvation. They claim there should be some good works as evidence of a change in your heart. They also agree we can all fall back in to sin, and back-slide. If we confess He is quick to forgive. They are afraid of the false conversion. I love Ray Comfort, his few sermons are awesome. He prods people to turn from sin and repent, but I've seen a clip where he agrees we won't be 100% perfect until we're glorified with The Lord. Why do we work out our salvation with fear and trembling? It's a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Faith without works is dead. Is it perfect? No. Does it save you? No. Is its bribery? No. It's an admission that we're the slave and He's the master. Our sanctification is a lifelong process God willing. The theif on the cross couldn't preform any good deeds, but he confessed, asked for mercy, acknowledged Jesus for who he was, and was saved.

[@GESvids]

*What Did Paul Mean by "Work Out Your Own Salvation in Fear and Trembling"? - Phi **2:12* - Bob Wilkin kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZyoZYaPrLZ-i8U What did the Apostle Paul mean by the expression "work out your own salvation in fear and trembling" in Philippians 2:12? Does the word, "salvation" in this passage mean eternal salvation or salvation of another sort? Bob explains how the word, "salvation" is used in Philippians, and shows what kind of salvation needs to be worked out for believers.

[@GESvids]

*Do You Fear a Dead Faith? - James 2:14-26* by Bob Wilkin kzbin.info/www/bejne/m2bTZpeMiqp9qbs Do you fear that a dead faith (faith without works) means that you do not have saving faith? In this video, Bob Wilkin of the Grace Evangelical Society explains what is a dead faith in James 2:14-26. *Is the Faith that Saves Ever Alone? - James 2* - Ken Yates kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5PQfnmfndeel9U A popular slogan for James 2 is "We are saved by faith alone, but the faith that saves is never alone!" Is this a biblical understanding of James 2? Ken Yates of the Grace Evangelical Society explains why this popular slogan explaining James 2 is wrong, and why a better slogan would be: "Works do not prove our faith! Works improve our faith!"

[@GESvids]

*Catholic View of the Thief on the Cross on Salvation and Discipleship* - Bob Wilkin kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6G5nJprabetqbM Catholic apologist, Dr. Douglas Beaumont, claims that the experience of the Thief on the Cross supports Catholic teaching that faith plus works are required for salvation. Dr. Beaumont argues that the Thief on the Cross passage support the following: 1. The Thief on the Cross was under the Old Covenant. 2. The Thief on the Cross might have been baptized. 3. The Thief on the Cross is an edge case. 4. The Thief on the Cross is only one salvation example. 5. The Thief on the Cross did exhibit faith and works. Bob Wilkin of the Grace Evangelical Society examines these 5 points and shows that the experience of the Thief on the Cross supports salvation by faith alone in Jesus Christ alone for the free gift of everlasting life and the reward of ruling and reigning with Jesus for confessing Him.

[@curtisbeshears8364]

I know on channels like this, there is a great disdain for those who hold to the Doctrines of Grace or Calvinism. But I understand where John Piper is coming from. Do I agree with everything he said, no. This I do know, there are some who lack assurance, and shouldn’t. There are some who have assurance, and shouldn’t. They need help. Those three things you mentioned are the way to know. 1.Does what I believe agree with scripture? 2. Does my life give evidence I love Christ? 3. Has The Spirit testified with our spirit that we are children of God? Personally, I experienced number 3 years after 1 and 2. Until then, I struggled with assurance. There was a particular sin in my life that brought shame and guilt. By the grace of God, he delivered me from that sin. I could say so much more but I’ll stop here. God bless you all.

[@ZandJ12345]

I’m not sure how you experience number 3. In my view the Spirit testifies WITH our spirit not TO our spirit. The spirits witness is directed to the Father and not to us.

[@curtisbeshears8364]

I understand what you’re saying, I guess I’ll just tell you what happened. I am a truck driver and while I was on my run to Memphis, I was listening to God’s Word and it came to that section that included verse 16 in Romans chapter 8. I was so overwhelmed with the understanding that I actually was a child of God. That truth had a tremendous impact on my daily walk. That may have been the actual time of my new birth. I am about as uncharismatic as they come, but I must say that was a pivotal time in my life. Since then I am often overwhelmed with the truth of God’s word. That experience, or simply that understanding of the text and the importance of it in my life has been tremendous. But it is the truth that has had the effect on me, not the experience itself. Thank you for your reply.

[@timgrady4630]

​​@@curtisbeshears8364 Your #'s 2 & 3 criteria listed above are purely Subjective and wholly Unknowable . "Love" is working in a process over time involving myriad deeds . Not one passage of Scripture states: "Whosoever loves God (how much (%) is Requisite?...non Quantifiable) has Everlasting Life" All Subjective criteria Tops Out at Unknowabilty and is strictly non Quantifiable . Thus , uncertain . Yet , His Objective Guarantee of irrevocable Everlasting Life (John 1:12-13,3:1-18,4:1-39,5:24,10,11:23-27,20:31) is - by definition - Free of all doubt . Only simple childlike faith in Him for what He actually Certifies (John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9) regenerates forever .

[@timgrady4630]

​@@ZandJ12345 Exactly . The witness of the Spirit isn't some sort of Mystical and subjective "experience" like a "Liver Quiver" or a "Shake n Bake" discernible via Xtra sensory means .

[@curtisbeshears8364]

Is falling on your knees in worship because of the truth of Gods word ok? My liver didn’t quiver. I understand you were warning me against simply an experience. Experience is never to be held up as God‘s word. I understand that. Peter said I have a more sure word right. Even though he experienced seeing Jesus, Moses, and Elijah. I will continue to allow God‘s word to do as it says in Hebrews 3:12. For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. (Hebrews 4:12, NASB) I will also continue to look forward to God‘s word, penetrating my heart and mind and I will continue to give him praise when that happens. Thanks

[@kirkdennis830]

Mr. Piper is not a 5 point calvinist. He's a 4 pointer.

[@sigeberhtmercia767]

That Christians according to Calvinists can have full assurance is witnessed by the following: 1. "The true conviction which believers have of the word of God, of their own salvation, and of religion in general, does not spring from the judgment of the flesh, or from human and philosophical arguments, but from the sealing of the Spirit, who imparts to their consciences such certainty as to remove all doubt", "The commencement of faith is knowledge: the completion of it is a firm and steady conviction, which admits of no opposing doubt. Both, I have said, are the work of the Spirit. No wonder, then, if Paul should declare that the Ephesians, who received by faith the truth of the gospel, were confirmed in that faith by the seal of the Holy Spirit. Ephesians 1:13 2. "Such as truly believe in the Lord Jesus, and love him in sincerity, endeavouring to walk in all good conscience before him, may in this life be certainly assured that they are in a state of grace, and may rejoice in the hope of the glory of God: which hope shall never make them ashamed", Westminster Confession of Faith, Ch. 18, Para. 1. 3. "[The objection against full assurance, in part states:] 'it cannot be possible that Christians should attain to a full confidence and an infallible assurance of being saved.' [Spurgeon's response: To this, sir, I reply thus. You say it is impossible-I say it is not only possible, but has been certainly enjoyed by the people of God", C.H.Spurgeon Sermon on Ps. 35:3 To be fair, while a Calvinist himself, Spurgeon says this about some Calvinists who have thought that assurance is not possible: "There is a certain breed of Calvinists, whom I do not envy, who are always jeering and sneering as much as they can at the full assurance of faith. I have seen their long faces. I have heard their whining periods, and read their dismal sentences in which they say something to this effect-“Groan in the Lord alway, and again I say, groan! He that mourns and weeps, he who doubts and fears, he who distrusts and dishonors his God, shall be saved.” That seems to be the sum and substance of their very ungospel-like Gospel", C. H. Spurgeon, Sermon on Ps. 35:3.

[@soljos1190]

Clearly Subjective criteria involved . His Objective Guarantee of endless Everlasting Life at the nano moment of faith in Him for it , alone sets the Anchor in the Water , forever . ***Question: If at some point in the future you became an Adulterous Drug Addict , and after a failed Robbery attempt where you were shot ; imprisoned ; and became a Bitter Atheist ; that ended in death ; ...where would you spend Eternity ?

[@ok-qt4kr]

Spurgeon isn't inspired Scripture . His criteria is contradictory to the Bible . Only His Objective Guarantee of irrevocable Everlasting Life alone gives Doubtless Certitude of one's Everlasting destination , as a present possession , entirely apart from Perseverance until death in an Unknowable level of hopefully good enough behavioral performance (works) . Calvinism is as incoherent as it is impossible to sustain Exegetically . It is the worst of all possible News , properly understood .

[@sigeberhtmercia767]

@@ok-qt4kr That Christians according to Calvinists can have full assurance is witnessed by the witnesses I quoted. I mentioned it because the OP said that Calvinists don't believe in full assurance and I've cited three sources who say they do.

[@sigeberhtmercia767]

@@ok-qt4kr Calvinists believe precisely what you have yourself stated. Our salvation and our perseverance according to the Calvinist is entirely dependent upon Christ and his work on the cross. The question that arises for them with regard to assurance is whether one's faith is true saving faith or that empty faith that hypocrites boast of. Good works for them constitutes evidence that faith is true, not that good works saves.

[@soljos1190]

@@sigeberhtmercia767 @sigeberhtmercia767 Works are Never Objective evidence that proves one's Everlasting destination . Ever . Tops Out at sheer guesswork . Calvinism is as incoherent as it is demonstrably contradictory to His Objective Guarantee of irrevocable Everlasting Life , APART from Perseverance until death in any Unknowable criteria . I don't look to Spurgeon , Calvin , Augustine , Sproul , MacArthur , or any proponent of Theological Determinism (Calvinism) as the Infallible metric for Exegesis . Their adherence to Monovolitionism (Irresistible "Grace" ...a Textbook Oxymoron) proceeding from an equally inscrutable Secret Decree , that is arbitrarily given to those devoid of all capacity to do otherwise than wholly determined and caused to do so , is the Worst of all possible News , properly understood . Reduces to abject and utter Fatalism wherein "all things whatsoever that come to pass" (Calvin) , could not POSSIBLY have turned out otherwise than this Singular Decisive Will "Irresistibly" causes/determines/performs every sub nano particle of every event in History : from the Fall of Lucifer/Adam to the last sin at the end of Revelation 22 . A truly ghastly Theodicy . Makes a lot of Atheists out of freezer lks who recoil at the problem of Evil and it's origins . Inescapably , when "Irresistible Grace" is Logically evaluated , there's simply no denying that all Evil ever committed is solely Responsible to the Singular Decisive Will (god of Theological Determinism/Calvinism) . Quite unlike the Loving God of Scripture who "so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son , that Whosoever that believes in Him shall not perish but has Everlasting Life" . Therefore , I remain a Zero Point Calvinist .

[@Adam-ue2ig]

Now we shall possess a right definition of faith if we call it a firm and certain knowledge of God’s benevolence toward us, founded upon the truth of the freely given promise in Christ, both revealed to our minds and sealed upon our hearts through the Holy Spirit” (Institutes 3.2.7).

[@2Chronicles714_]

Johns gospel is not for evangelism. It is written for already repented believers. The promises of everlasting life in John's gospel are not the message of salvation as Bob claims but for those who continue in the faith until the end. John 16:1 All this I have told you so that you will not fall away. Of course thst verse alone shows that Jesus is speaking to believers.

[@wtom04]

@2Chronicles714 The book of John is the only evangelistic book in the Bible that teaches what a person must do to be saved. The book of Galatians defends the book of John in it's simplicity on how to be saved.

[@2Chronicles714_]

​@wtom04 These passages from John's gospel clearly show its for believers. Even Bob agrees it was written about 60 years after the resurrection although he never explains how people obtained salvation during that period till as he claims the only gospel for evangelism was written. How then were people saved that died during that that 60 year period? The cross changed everything including how to be born again which is found in Acts 2:37-41 which is very clear its for all people(verse 39) Jew and Gentile not to mention that a young John was also there and never corrected Peter. How could an unbeliever understand verses like these? John 15:5-6 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. John 14:12,16,17 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father 16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. John 16:7-8 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9Of sin, because they believe not on me; 10Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; 11Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. Here's one verse out of dozens that prove 3 things 1]John's gospel was written for already repented believers since unbelievers can not fall away. 2] A true repentant believer can fall away 3] It debunks once saved always saved. John 16:1 All this I have told you so that you will not fall away. Jesus is saying everything I have said in John's gospel up to 16:1 is for believers so they won't fall away. John's gospel is NOT for unbelievers, again He's not telling unbelievers not to fall away. John 17:20-26 My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the worldMy prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one- 23I in them and you in me-so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me. 24“Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world. 25“Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know 26I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them.” Bob is in major error read John for yourself with 2 things in mind 1) John shows overwhelming evidence that Jesus is God. 2) John encourages already repented believers to go on believing to go on to having everlasting life.

[@soljos1190]

​@@2Chronicles714_ You're regurgitating this already debunked screed ? Your entire scheme is utterly devoid of the slightest syllable of evidence . John 20:31 is as clear a statement of purpose as it gets . Evangelism . The fact that John also records Discipleship sanctification (abiding/fellowship) in chapters 14-17 - To BELIEVERS - is unsurprising . Never once in the Book of John is Repentance mentioned as a condition of everlasting life . Repentance is works . Not faith . Only faith receives the Free and Never Deserving Gift of endless Everlasting Life , in every conceivable Evangelistic/Everlasting Life/eternal Justification before God passage in the Bible . So , your works righteousness affirmation exactly contradicts that Objectively verifiable truth .

[@2Chronicles714_]

​@soljos1190 Purpose of the Book of John. Overwhelming evidence that Jesus is God. 2) John encourages already repented believers to continue in the faith and then you will go on to having everlasting life. John 20:30-31 30The disciples saw Jesus do many other miraculous signs in addition to the ones recorded in this book. 31But these are written so that you may continue to believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing in him you will have life by the power of his name. Read John for yourself and you will see it is not for unbelievers. Bob is in major error.

[@soljos1190]

@@2Chronicles714_ Except that nothing you just indicated is Objectively verifiable in the BOOK of John itself , except His deity . You're adding that to the Text . Adding to Scripture is a NO-NO . Means you're lying . Who's inspiring your Scriptural add-ons ? "Already repented" never occurs in the Text . Repentance is works . Not faith . Only faith secures the Free and Never Deserving Gift of endless Everlasting Life : John 1:12-13,3:1-18,4:1-39,5:24,6:28-47,10,11:23-27,20:31 . None of those passages have "Already repented" included . Interestingly , your Lifetime Behavioral Performance Contract "Already Repented" means ONE TIME ...2 Times??...3???...a 24/7/365 Perpetual working like your comrade @DannyLloyd (?) REPENTANCE ? Or a LIFETIME OF REPENTANCE PLUS PHYSICAL WATER BAPTISM ? Makes no sense whatsoever . Never actually Gets the Gift . Never "saves" eternally . Gotta have a 100% for a Lifetime Behavioral Record to quantify for Kingdom entrance based upon your criteria: James 2:10 shows its impossibility .

[@DevinAndres]

Bob, you cant give people assurance either. Your gospel is promise centered not christ centered. LS Chafer. "To believe on Christ is to see and believe the all-sufficiency of His saving grace. This most naturally includes abandoning all other grounds of hope, and the experiencing of such sorrow for sin as would lead one to claim such a Saviour. " "Repentance, according to the Bible, is a complete change of mind and, as such, is a vital element in saving faith; but it should not now be required, as a separate act, apart from saving faith". "the greatest problem for man is simply to believe the record in its fulness."

[@soljos1190]

You're Objectively mistaken . Wilkin clearly - and verifiably - teaches that His PERSON AND PROMISE are the Object and Content whereby one is irreversibly born again .

[@2Chronicles714_]

​@@soljos1190 A change of mind about your sinfulled life will lead to a change of direction.

[@soljos1190]

@@2Chronicles714_ It'll never give the Free and Never Deserving Gift of endless Everlasting Life . Repentance is not faith in Him for what He actually Certifies . Your 5 Pert Performance Contract till death explicitly denies His Free and Never Deserving Gift as a present possession . Instead , your working for a Free Gift attempts will hopefully be rewarded after you've Propitiated for your sins till death , because you've openly denied that He Finished all the work Necessary to Pay the penalty for all sins ever committed . A greater blasphemy isn't possible , this side of eternity . So , your antichrist doctrine is a Textbook "Wolf in Sheep's Clothing" message that steals all the Glory due to the Lamb of God , and instead makes your "Stellar" Performance till death the Object and Content of your "faith" . A 2 Corinthians 4:4 Textbook example .

[@marleyaria]

Wrong on the first point. That's nonsense

[@alex-y5f4g]

So are You saying that if i believe in Jesus 100% and i still continue with my homosexual relationship ' i will still enter the kingdom ?

[@GESvids]

*If I Believe in Jesus for Eternal Life, Can I Live However I Want?* - Zane C. Hodges

[@alex-y5f4g]

@@GESvids yes i believe but i also sin like eveyone else , at the end we need good works.

[@raltar3855]

No you cannot continue in willful sin - Romans 6 makes it clear that we can no longer live in sin once we have died to it. There is a difference between “sinning” and “living in sin”. The former happens to all believers but the latter proves that you are false believer - that you never were saved to begin with if you live willfully in sin.

[@alex-y5f4g]

@@raltar3855Yet you say all this but we and YOU are not sinless and can not be sinless all the time , you see if you say thats possible you just sinned again LOL

[@GESvids]

*Is there Any Difference Between Entering the Kingdom and Inheriting the Kingdom?* - Bob Wilkin & Ken Yates kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZLUlYaBptp5nqM Bob Wilkin and Ken Yates are answering a question about entering or inheriting the (Millennial) Kingdom? Should these be thought of as synonyms?

[@ishiftfocus1769]

In the dispensation of the grace of God, God’s policy of salvation is by grace through faith not of works (Eph 2:8-9). Satan’s policy is to preach salvation by works in order to minimize the cross of Christ and to condemn man’s soul (2 Cor 4:3-4).

[@2Chronicles714_]

After repentance through faith comes works.

[@drjlrust]

@@2Chronicles714_ Very true. Faith without works is dead. But works are a result of our desire to please God and emulate Christ, not to achieve salvation.

[@mikyl-fo8rh]

Our salvation is as certain as receiving (Revelation 3:20) and remaining (John 15:4) in relationship with Jesus. calvinism is a perversion of scripture.

[@johnlavender242]

You might want to study what Calvinism actually teaches.

[@timgrady4630]

Already have . It's the Worst of all possible News , when properly understood . A gospel of Doubt , rather than certitude (faith) in Him for His doubtless Guarantee of endless Everlasting Life (3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9) .

[@2Chronicles714_]

​@timgrady4630 The end times perverted grace movement is possibly satan's greatest deception.

[@2Chronicles714_]

​@@timgrady4630 You believe a man-made gospel that appeals to the fleshm

[@timgrady4630]

Spurgeon's name isn't found in the pages of inspired Scripture . Nor Calvin , MacArthur , Piper , Sproul et al . But John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9 are verifiably His Objective Guarantee of never ending Life, that renders Theological Determinism (Calvinism) impossible to sustain , Exegetically . Calvinism reduces to sheer Fatalism , logically . It assigns all responsibility to a Singular Decisive Will , given that it rejects human volitional capacity to do otherwise than wholly determined to do so - Irresistibly and Unconditionally - by an inscrutable Secret Decree . Therefore , the Fall of Lucifer/Adam to the Horrors of Auschwitz , to the unspeakable crimes of Mao , Pol Pot , Stalin , Hitler , Lenin , Charles Manson & Jeffrey Dahmer - to the last sin at the end of the Tribulation - were all meticulously determined/caused by this "god" : "God has sovereignly and unchangeably decreed whatsoever comes to pass for the praise of His own glory,” (WCF III.1) " John Calvin wrote: “…how foolish and frail is the support of divine justice afforded by the suggestion that evils come to be, not by His will but by His permission…It is a quite frivolous refuge to say that God otiosely permits them, when Scripture shows Him not only willing, but the author of them…Who does not tremble at these judgments with which God works in the hearts of even the wicked whatever He will, rewarding them nonetheless according to desert? Again it is quite clear from the evidence of Scripture that God works in the hearts of men to incline their wills just as he will, whether to good for His mercy’s sake, or to evil according to their merits. ” (John Calvin, “The Eternal Predestination of God,” 10:11) ***Not by "permission" , but is the "author" of all Evil , including Raping , torturing , and dismembering babies for Fun . *** So , this is the true "god" of Theological Determinism (Calvinism) . Spurgeon called Calvinism the "gospel" . I find it rather a slander against the revealed Nature and Character of the Only True God of Scripture . Theological Determinism (Calvinism) is the Worst of all Possible news , properly understood .

[@matthewburns1012]

Instead of calling these people false teachers and wolves, lets call them Brothers in Christ with faulty theology.

[@karent743]

They are not brothers in Christ if they believe a false gospel. They are only brothers if they believe Jesus gives you eternal life just by believing in Him for it, which they don’t. They need to be rebuked and called out for what they are.

[@truthseeker5698]

@@karent743Amen!

[@karent743]

@@truthseeker5698 it’s sad the non theologians recognize what’s really going on.

[@johnlavender242]

"Freewill carried many a soul to Hell but never a soul to heaven"... CHARLES SPURGEON Sola Gratia- Sola Fide-Solus Christus!

[@timgrady4630]

Spurgeon's name isn't found in the pages of inspired Scripture . Nor Calvin , MacArthur , Piper , Sproul et al . But John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9 are verifiably His Objective Guarantee of never ending Life, that renders Theological Determinism (Calvinism) impossible to sustain , Exegetically . Calvinism reduces to sheer Fatalism , logically . It assigns all responsibility to a Singular Decisive Will , given that it rejects human volitional capacity to do otherwise than wholly determined to do so - Irresistibly and Unconditionally - by an inscrutable Secret Decree . Therefore , the Fall of Lucifer/Adam to the Horrors of Auschwitz , to the unspeakable crimes of Mao , Pol Pot , Stalin , Hitler , Lenin , Charles Manson & Jeffrey Dahmer - to the last sin at the end of the Tribulation - were all meticulously determined/caused by this "god" : "God has sovereignly and unchangeably decreed whatsoever comes to pass for the praise of His own glory,” (WCF III.1) " John Calvin wrote: “…how foolish and frail is the support of divine justice afforded by the suggestion that evils come to be, not by His will but by His permission…It is a quite frivolous refuge to say that God otiosely permits them, when Scripture shows Him not only willing, but the author of them…Who does not tremble at these judgments with which God works in the hearts of even the wicked whatever He will, rewarding them nonetheless according to desert? Again it is quite clear from the evidence of Scripture that God works in the hearts of men to incline their wills just as he will, whether to good for His mercy’s sake, or to evil according to their merits. ” (John Calvin, “The Eternal Predestination of God,” 10:11) ***Not by "permission" , but is the "author" of all Evil , including Raping , torturing , and dismembering babies for Fun . *** So , this is the true "god" of Theological Determinism (Calvinism) . Spurgeon called Calvinism the "gospel" . I find it rather a slander against the revealed Nature and Character of the Only True God of Scripture . Theological Determinism (Calvinism) is the Worst of all Possible news , properly understood .

[@truthseeker5698]

Cultese, distorting your faculties, John. FYI

[@dh1335]

The Bible says examine yourself, and see whether or not you’re in the faith. If you’re sinning every day in thought word, and deed. It’s a safe bet you’ll die In your sins unless you repent. You will know them by there fruits.

[@timgrady4630]

That verse has nothing to do with a Never Knowable nor Quantifiable level of behavioral performance (works) in order to determine one's Everlasting destination . It's purely a Temporal consideration of being useful in Ministry . Nowhere in the Text are there given Objectively verifiable levels (%) of behaviors that give Doubtless Certitude that one is Eternally saved , or not . Works have no Objectively verifiable way of establishing whether one is irreversibly born again , or not . Works are undeniably EXCLUDED as a means of eternal Justification before God: Ephesians 2:8-9 ; Romans 3:20-5:11,11:6,29 ; Titus 3:5 ; Philippians 3:9 ; book of Galatians . Only faith in Him for what He actually Certifies regenerates forever: John 1:12-13,3:1-18,4:1-39,5:24,6:28-47,10,11:23-27,20:31 .

[@dh1335]

@@timgrady4630 Have you ever read in James 2:24? We are justified by works and not faith alone, or you will know them by their works. You cannot both walk in the flesh and the Spirit at the same time. You are a child of God or a child of the Devil. Your behavior will give witness for or against you. Next case!

[@timgrady4630]

@@dh1335 @dh1335 James never states that one is justified BEFORE GOD by works . Nor is that ever stated in the entirety of Scripture . To sustain your works righteousness affirmation , you must Necessarily produce a clear , unambiguous , undeniable , and Objectively verifiable Text that actually states that . Undeniably and Objectively , you have not done so . James is clearly written TO the already born again with Everlasting Life brethren , in a fellowship sanctification context . Profitability of one's faith BEFORE MEN is the purpose . Whereas , positing that one's works merit or DESERVE His Free and Never Deserving Gift , would undeniably contradict : Ephesians 2:8-9 ; Romans 3:20-5:11,11:6,29 ; Titus 3:5 ; Phillipians 3:9 ; book of Galatians . One's behavioral performance (works) are Never "good enough " . James exactly states that : 2:10 . It's an All or Nothing proposition . One sin and you're Disqualified . But His imputed Righteousness gives the only Perfect Righteousness that alone secures the forever Gift : Romans 4:1-8 . Jesus Himself stated : "Noone is good but God alone" . So , your attempts to be Justified by "stuff" you're DoingNot Doing - instead of simple childlike faith in Him FOR His doubtless Guarantee of endless Everlasting Life - is as futile a pursuit as it is contradictory to every conceivable Evangelistic/Everlasting Life/eternal Justification before God passage in the Bible . Little children can easily understand and believe in Him for what He actually Certifies (John 3:16 & Ephesians2:8-9) , instantly having irrevocable Life at that moment . Because He cannot lie to the little ones , unfettered by years of self righteous hardening against Grace .

[@harrytaylor906]

Make your calling and election sure

[@ZandJ12345]

That is talking about reward, it’s not about getting eternal life.

[@raltar3855]

Bob, be careful here please. You didn’t debunk Piper. You merely disagreed with him.

[@Chris-zh9nd]

With total depravity an "unsaved" person can show worthless good works. So if you dont know you are saved NOW, then anything someone can point to in good works in life has no meaning because those good works could just reflect the flesh's efforts. Ultimately for extreme Calvinists, its salvation by election, not of faith. Thats why faith has to be meddled with so much in the theology. Think about how much Calvinists agonize over the word "faith" concerning salvation.

[@craigs4530]

John Piper is a false teacher preaching a false gospel hands down. These false teachers will always have a problem with John 3:16. Just simply believe in Jesus for everlasting life.

[@2Chronicles714_]

Because Piper's teaching doesn't appeal to the flesh.

[@2Chronicles714_]

John 3:16 For God so once (past tense) agape loved the people of this world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who has continued faith and strives to obey and lives in Him will not be cast into the lake of fire but will have everlasting life.

[@mauriceb53]

John 3:16 Belief is only part of God's plan of salvation. Repentance and baptism into Christ and His blood & church is the other part - see Acts 2:38; Mark 16:16 etc. Remember that John 3:16 was before the Cross and the Great Commission. Study the 8 conversions in the Book of Acts. Belief, Repentance, Confession and Baptism

[@soljos1190]

​​@@mauriceb53 Book of John was written well after the Cross . Your point is Pointless . Your doctrine is works righteousness . You're literally working for a Free and Never Deserving Gift . As incoherent a proposition as it is unbelief in Him for His doubtless Guarantee of irrevocable Everlasting Life: John 1:12-13,3:1-18,4:10-14,5:24,6:28-47,10,11:23-27,20:31 ; 1 John 5:1,10-13 ; 1 Timothy 1:16 ; Galatians 2:16,3:26 . Contradictory to Ephesians 2:8-9 ; Romans 3:20-5:11,11:6,29 ; Titus 3:5 ; Philippians 3:9 ; book of Galatians . Your rejection of His doubtless Guarantee of irrevocable Everlasting Life - as a present possession - is replaced with a "faith" that has as its Object , your Perseverance till death in an Unknowable level of hopefully good enough behavioral performance (works) . That is as impossible to sustain as it is Utterly contradictory to every conceivable Evangelistic/Everlasting Life/eternal Justification before God passage in the Bible .

[@mauriceb53]

@@soljos1190 I accept and believe all your verses. Will you accept mine? Acts 2:38; Mark 16:16 There are no works mentioned in these verses. I don't know know why you would bring up that. Baptism is part of God's plan of salvation and is an act of obedience just like believing and repentance. He who believes AND is baptized shall be saved Mark 16:16 Easy to understand but difficult to accept by some!

[@Adam-ue2ig]

I don't think that's an accurate articulation of reformed faith...Phil 1:6 And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.

[@evanwildermann7034]

A double minded man is unstable in all his ways let him think he will receive nothing from the lord guys if your wishy washy about salvation do you think you will receive it....if your assurance is based on moments of your life when you go to church or whatever do you think that's living out your faith or is that actually keeping you in sin it is written the just shall live by faith

[@wtom04]

John Piper is an educated fool.

[@CalebCline-j9v]

I won’t necessarily defend the claim that Christ only died for the elect, but I will affirm every other doctrine of grace. God only chose a remnant from the earth to be saved, and not based on any merit of any person. He didn’t even choose those who He knew would believe in Him. He chose those whom He chose to choose. Just as scripture says, He will have mercy on whom He will have mercy, and He will harden whom He will harden. God’s children can know they’re saved based on their fruits. In 1 John and James, we’re given tests that can prove our profession of faith either authentic or inauthentic. If you’ve been born-again, you will be not be the same person you were before. You will be a new creature, who has new desires and new affections for God. God is not mocked, and this channel is abhorrent. Giving people a false sense of assurance is abominable. Jesus said “if” we continue in His word, then we are His disciples indeed. Please, don’t listen to what this channel is teaching. Anyone who thinks they can live in premeditated sin after coming to Christ is damned if they don’t repent. John Piper is a beloved and highly respected brother, and to watch these ignorant people in this comment section debase him is a despicable thing. I hope anyone who reads this will find the true God that effectually disciplines His children, knowing that anyone whom God doesn’t discipline, does not belong to Him.

[@calebbasile2219]

That’s weird cause I know many Calvinists who write Piper off as a heretic, yet he’s your straw-man to attack Calvinism.

[@ZandJ12345]

No, he has just used Piper for this video. But a lot of what Piper believes is the same as other Calvinist. TULIP is a works based salvation.

[@timgrady4630]

Spurgeon's name isn't found in the pages of inspired Scripture . Nor Calvin , MacArthur , Piper , Sproul et al . But John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9 are verifiably His Objective Guarantee of never ending Life, that renders Theological Determinism (Calvinism) impossible to sustain , Exegetically . Calvinism reduces to sheer Fatalism , logically . It assigns all responsibility to a Singular Decisive Will , given that it rejects human volitional capacity to do otherwise than wholly determined to do so - Irresistibly and Unconditionally - by an inscrutable Secret Decree . Therefore , the Fall of Lucifer/Adam to the Horrors of Auschwitz , to the unspeakable crimes of Mao , Pol Pot , Stalin , Hitler , Lenin , Charles Manson & Jeffrey Dahmer - to the last sin at the end of the Tribulation - were all meticulously determined/caused by this "god" : "God has sovereignly and unchangeably decreed whatsoever comes to pass for the praise of His own glory,” (WCF III.1) " John Calvin wrote: “…how foolish and frail is the support of divine justice afforded by the suggestion that evils come to be, not by His will but by His permission…It is a quite frivolous refuge to say that God otiosely permits them, when Scripture shows Him not only willing, but the author of them…Who does not tremble at these judgments with which God works in the hearts of even the wicked whatever He will, rewarding them nonetheless according to desert? Again it is quite clear from the evidence of Scripture that God works in the hearts of men to incline their wills just as he will, whether to good for His mercy’s sake, or to evil according to their merits. ” (John Calvin, “The Eternal Predestination of God,” 10:11) ***Not by "permission" , but is the "author" of all Evil , including Raping , torturing , and dismembering babies for Fun . *** So , this is the true "god" of Theological Determinism (Calvinism) . Spurgeon called Calvinism the "gospel" . I find it rather a slander against the revealed Nature and Character of the Only True God of Scripture . Theological Determinism (Calvinism) is the Worst of all Possible news , properly understood .

[@calebbasile2219]

@@timgrady4630 Calvinism is merely a nickname for an interpretation of scripture. Are you giving me your interpretation of scripture now? I could call that Grady-ism and for the sake of useless semantics say something like “Tim Grady isn’t found in the pages of scripture, is he?” But that would be a gross misrepresentation would it not? Yet that’s exactly what you do to Spurgeon, who never said that Calvinism is the gospel in the sense that John Calvin is some inspired prophet of God. But that the doctrines that the “nickname” Calvinism represents, which he’d argue with scripture, are essential to the gospel. What you’re doing with Spurgeon and the like, is at best a misrepresentation and at worst bearing false witness against your neighbor. If you want to discuss the doctrine let’s talk, but I’m not going to waste anymore time with those bogus semantics.

[@calebbasile2219]

@@timgrady4630 yeah it’s a difficult subject, do you pretend it’s so simple? How do you deal with Romans 9:20? How does God find fault for who can resist his will? That’s very similar to the question “doesn’t that make God the author of evil?” And I’m sure they both would earn a sharp rebuke from Paul. You haven’t provided an alternative that makes your interpretation harmonious with scripture. I suspect your interpretation would seek to render all of Romans 9 irrelevant, or severely twisted and full of special pleading. I find in scripture that God sovereignly decrees all things, yet man is still culpable for the evil he does.

[@timgrady4630]

@@calebbasile2219 @calebbasile2219 So , you're OK with Calvin and the Westminster Confession clearly affirming that the author of all Evil is "God"? That's an indefensible Theodicy , if one values Exegesis . I really don't care what Spurgeon , Calvin , MacArthur , Sproul , Washer , James White et al affirm exhaustively , other than to point out that they're clearly Unified in a Monergism that presupposes Monovolitionism . Monovolitionism is the tacit admission of utter Determinism . Thus , humans are devoid of the capacity to do or think otherwise than wholly determined to do so , with Zero ability otherwise . Therefore , the Abortion Doctor who delights in hacking little babes to pieces was just as Determined to do so , as the Pro Lifer outside the Abortion Mill holding a Protest against the murder of the Innocents . Does that make sense in a Universe where the Laws of Logic are Operational ? The question ought to answer itself . On Determinism , humans have no Ontological existence , being completely devoid of a sentience not found in Automatons or Robots . So , on a Determinist view , why would my Rejection of Calvinistic Theological Determinism be any Less caused/authored by this Singular Will than your Monergism? Makes no sense . Reduces to a Cosmic Puppet Show , in actual Fact . Turns humanity into Mear Mannequins . *** Here's what I'm unambiguously affirming , in unmistakable terms : 1. Theological Determinism (Calvinism) is Monovolitionism . Monovolitionism denotes that only One Will has Responsibility for "all things whatsoever that come to pass" (John Calvin) , including Raping , Torturing , and dismembering babies for Fun . 2. The Systematic (T.U.L.I.P) wholly rests upon a Secret (thus Unknowable) Decree that determines "all things whatsoever that come to pass" (John Calvin) , as "god " is the Author of Evil itself : including the Fall of Lucifer/Adam and every conceivable Evil until the end of History . 3. Total inability denotes that humans have no ability to do otherwise than Irresistibly and Unconditionally acted upon , Extrinsically . Therefore , on Calvinism , regeneration Precedes faith , and only a "Gift of faith"/ repentance that perseveres till death" ( inevitably and inexorably) , only given to "some"... for No Known Reason Whatsoever ... eventuates in "eternal salvation" . 4. "P"erseverance of the saints clearly affirms that one must Necessarily Hit the Finish Line in a Never Knowable nor Quantifiable level (%) of hopefully good enough behavioral performance (works) /Faithfulness Obedience/Fruit that will prove one's "Election" . The insurmountable Rub remains however : one can Never have Doubtless Assurance of having irrevocable Everlasting Life as a present and endless possession UNTIL the end of one's life . Therefore , all Subjective tests of one's Performance (Introspective Fruit Inspection) gives the "Best Guess" that one has been "Predestined" by this Singular Will that alone has meticulous Control over "all things whatsoever that come to pass" (Calvin") . Tops Out at Doubt , rather than Objective certitude (faith/belief) . Since Calvin taught Double Predestination , all those who Irresistibly , Unconditionally , Inevitably , and Inexorably end in the lake of fire , were also "Elected " to eternal condemnation, without the slightest shred of possibility otherwise . They were ONLY and ALWAYS created to be damned forever , on Theological Determinism . How one can have Doubtless Certitude that one was arbitrarily and fortuitously "Elected" via behavioral performance Metrics I simply cannot find articulated in the pages of Scripture . *** Therefore , Theological Determinism (Calvinism) is the Worst of all possible News , properly understood . I remain a Zero Point Calvinist . I'm an Atheist with respect to the Theological Determinist caricature of the Only True God of love . Unhappily , it makes many very thoughtful people recoil from the Absolutely Righteous , Holy , Loving , Merciful Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world , that His Free and Never Deserving Gift of Endless Life can indeed be without Cost to all its recipients: John 4:10-14 . The Biblical God (who cannot lie nor author Evil) loves the whole world so much "that He gave His only Begotten Son , that Whosoever that believes in Him shall not perish but has Everlasting Life" , as a Free and Never Deserving Gift . Little children can easily understand and believe in Him for what He actually Certifies, instantly having irrevocable Life at that moment . Because He cannot lie to the little ones , unfettered by years of self righteous hardening against Grace . No better News , ever (John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9) .

[@noway22573]

I can't stand reformists of ALL variations, Piper and the fool in front of the book shelves. Just get on with living for Christ as your example instead of ALL this head garbage.

[@guiltyandforgiven]

Piper lives in his own world - he is so damaging to folks out there

[@Adam-ue2ig]

Also by the way...when you say Calvinists believe there is an elect but they can't know whether they are one of them so they must endure and persevere by themselves and at the end if they do that they can have assurance. NO! This is not Calvinism this is Augustinianism...Augustine taught that yes there are the elect but you can't know for sure if you are one or that you have the gift of perseverance so you must live as though your unsure...Augustinianism is not Calvinism...I would have to pull up the quotes but your articulation on Calvinism there was not accurate from anything I have read from Calvin and the historic Reformed camp. Now we shall possess a right definition of faith if we call it a firm and certain knowledge of God’s benevolence toward us, founded upon the truth of the freely given promise in Christ, both revealed to our minds and sealed upon our hearts through the Holy Spirit” (Institutes 3.2.7).

[@ZandJ12345]

Pretty sure Calvinism has its roots in Augustinianism.

[@Adam-ue2ig]

@@ZandJ12345 There are some similarities but not the same. You have not accounted for any distinction or nuance by simply stating "I'm pretty sure Calvinism has its roots in Augustinianism".

[@dumpybear8664]

Could be the Holy Spirit or the pizza you ate last night… what?

[@joshstacy272]

Bob you flat out lied about what a Calvinist believes. You are totally crazy

[@aussierob7177]

Once saved, always saved is heresy. I am also being saved. 1. Cor.:18. 2. Cor.:15. I hope i will be saved. Rom. 5:9-10 1. Cor 3: 12-15. I am working out my salvation with fear and trembling. Phil. 2:12 With hopeful confidence in promises of Christ Rom 5:2 Tim. 2:11-13. Quoting one piece of Scripture for everlasting life is not sufficient. You have to read the whole Bible to find other verses that guarantee eternal life. For example : Baptism is necessary for salvation. The Eucharist is necessary for salvation.

[@timgrady4630]

Working for a Free Gift is unbelief in Him for His doubtless Guarantee of Everlasting Life : The free and Never Deserving Gift of endless Everlasting Life. John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9 alone render works righteousness soteriology impossible to sustain , Exegetically . Every conceivable Evangelistic/Everlasting Life/eternal Justification before God passage in Scripture affirm the complete impossibility of entering His Kingdom by means of being "hopefully good enough" . A manifest impossibility . "Only God is good" , Jesus clearly states . So , expecting to be "good enough " till death as an Infallible Metric for entrance is an eternal Non Starter . As incoherent as it is contradictory to His doubtless Guarantee.

[@aussierob7177]

@@timgrady4630 Baptism and the Eucharist are not "works"

[@timgrady4630]

@@aussierob7177 Yes they are . All physical behavioral performance are works (deeds) . Ergon in Greek . Faith is the only instrumental cause of endless regeneration in every conceivable Evangelistic/Everlasting Life/eternal Justification before God passage in the Bible . If your presupposition were Exegetically derived , every single Evangelistic/Everlasting Life/eternal Justification before God passage in the Bible must Necessarily have them Objectively present . Undeniably , we find them utterly Absent in all such Lexical nuances . Since you're affirming a "Temporary" life that can be Lost or forfeited , rather than the possession of endless Everlasting Life , your entire scheme rests fully upon your Perseverance in behavioral performance (works) till death . Reduces to working for a Free and Never Deserving Gift of irrevocable Everlasting Life . A manifest impossibility . Never makes sense to a little child . Contradictory to Ephesians 2:8-9 ; Romans 3:20-5:11,11:6,29 ; Titus 3:5 ; Philippians 3:9 ; book of Galatians . Whereas : ..."therefore it (endless Justification before God) is by faith that it might be according to Grace that it might be according to Grace that the Promise would be Certain" (Romans 4:16) . Not a syllable about Perseverance till death in an Unknowable level (%) of hopefully good enough behavioral performance (works) , nor "successfully completing" the Lifetime Sacramental System of working for a Free and Never Deserving Gift. Little kids can easily understand and believe in Him for what He actually Certifies , instantly having irrevocable Life at that moment . Cuz He cannot lie to the little ones , unencumbered by years of self righteous hardening . No better News , ever (John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9) .

[@ramlin35]

I've never heard of somebody looking to their good works to see if we are saved. I've never heard of this idea in reform circles. I feel that you are spreading false information.

[@timgrady4630]

You're extremely naive . Do some research .

[@dannymcmullan9375]

This is false teaching. I have soundly refuted it on my channel.

[@truthseeker5698]

Your sound is a dissonant and shrewd harmonious cult clanging. No thanks bro.

[@alanhales6369]

Anyone who knows the Bible can debunk John Piper.

[@chernowitz]

Bob Wilkin is Captain confusion.

[@wtom04]

@chernowitz Chernowitz is Captain heresy.

[@chernowitz]

@@wtom04 right back at you Captain ignoramus.

[@wtom04]

@@chernowitz And right back to you Captain unsaved reprobate.

[@fredpena643]

With our spirit not to our spirit He is the pied Piper leading people into HELL

[@2Chronicles714_]

Piper preaches repentance necessary for the forgiveness of sins,as Jesus and the disciples and Paul all did, Bob rejects repentance replacing it with a claim of belief only.

[@alexkelley385]

@@2Chronicles714_Romans 1:16,17;4:3,4; 14:5 Galatians the whole letter…so much more starting with what was said to Abraham 15. No arguing just sharing those few of the plethora of the letters to the churches. Romans on