Getting an Atari ST on the information super highway with NetUSbee

[@MacSociety]

Watching now. Been waiting for a more full video on this device. Been considering buying one. Thx for the video.

[@commodoreisnottheonlyfruit]

Your very welcome. I think it's a great piece of kit, even if, just for the UIP tool.

[@madigorfkgoogle9349]

I will just add up that it is great if you need to backup data fast from HDD, it supports USB sticks, USB keyboards, USB mouse and even USB printers with PCL support. But I recommend more power hungry gear to be routed via a powered USB hub, the cartridge port on ST is not buffered, so if you overload it... Kaboom. Mouse and Keyboard is working in GEM conform apps, so if something is hammering the mouse and keyboard registers directly, it will not work (for example DynaCADD).

[@commodoreisnottheonlyfruit]

@@madigorfkgoogle9349 Yeah, the power budget for the cartridge port isn't very high. A powered hub is the way to go

[@mmille10]

Back when I was using my STe, I explored a bit about using it on the web, when that starting becoming popular; so, probably 1996. All that I could find was STiK and Lynx, which is a text-only browser. Even so, I probably made the mistake of thinking STiK would only work over Ethernet. Years later, I looked back at some of my old magazines, and was surprised to find that there was in fact a PPP driver that worked inside of MiNT. Darn. I kind of wish I had known that then. The browsing experience would've been very primitive with Lynx, but I think I could've gotten that working. If I remember my history correctly, CAB didn't come out until 1998/99. I've seen a demo of CAB running on a Falcon. It's a bit slow, but it doesn't look that bad. The main thing it lacks is it doesn't run JavaScript, and of course, it doesn't run plug-ins. So, basically like running Mosaic.

[@peterhurn4045]

Excellent video, I have yet to use my NetUSbee, this video has encouraged me to do so. looking forward to the part 2 and the USB side.

[@commodoreisnottheonlyfruit]

Glad you like it. Working on part two as I type

[@madigorfkgoogle9349]

Gave you thumbs up before I watched. I missed the "MagiC" moment you loaded up the NetUSB drivers 🤫

[@DanWillars]

Great video David, and overall great work on them all. I've recently got back into my Ataris having owned an 520stfm back in 87. A lot of my knowledge lost over the years as been reclaimed from you and much more besides. after doing all my own upgrades am now using an 4mb ste with exxos psu, 32mhz booster fast tos switcher, ultrasatan,netusbee and sidecart. i got my netusbee workign with the network before i saw this video. Can use airc, ftp but would like to give CAB a go, are you allowed to say where the overlay files are from ? cheers again

[@commodoreisnottheonlyfruit]

I'm glad you like the content. I looked at the exxos booster but it looked like it needed multiple sets of upgrades to the motherboard (replacing cpa adding filtering stuff etc, so It scared me off), or was that the total final ever ST upgrade guide? Was it an easy upgrade? THe overlay files came of one of the forums, they're not commercial, but I cant remember the forum. I've stuck a link below to a copy of the one I used. If you can or can't access it let me know. Some times YT snaffles such things. PS: Is the exxos PSU a refurbished one, or is it a modern one like a meanwell? www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/eprxf988ys8pqsmcuflcw/CABOVL.1.48.zip?rlkey=vny876y0ur3elqr9gnqtly8p2&dl=1

[@DanWillars]

@@commodoreisnottheonlyfruit Hi David, many thanks for the overlay file downloaded fine. If i get some time this weekend will try it out i need to redo my SD cards for ulta satan as mainly i have been experimenting with different setups and now need to write a definitive one. The PSU is the exxos one and is very high quality would recommend it, although a i did struggle a little soldering in the new power lead that connect to the motherbaord. The booster while looking a little daunting was quite easy really, i had to swap 74S257 for 74F257 as that cause problems, other than that it was soldering up a single wire and a couple of switches for the fast TOS switcher and the booster. I took my time and did it over a couple of nights but you could easily do it in hour if you have all the pieces and a bit of patience. It seems very good although i have had the odd stability issue but i would say worth it.

[@DanWillars]

@@commodoreisnottheonlyfruit if you are interested in the accelerator ive got round to running some benchmarks today, after getting speedogdos and nvdi installed and the results are pretty good, VDI Text 1048%,VDI TextEffects 1024%, Integer division 355% to name a few

[@charlesdorval394]

That's quite neat! The duck comment at the end totally killed me, never heard that one before hehehe

[@commodoreisnottheonlyfruit]

Glad you liked it :-)

[@metalhead5858]

Can you share the cab setup and cab ovl you use ?

[@Storm_.]

I wonder, since you are running Magic, would it be better to install MagicNet? (The TCP/IP stack specific to magic) I always thought Sting was single-tasking TOS only stack. Obviously it runs fine in a multitasking environment, I never knew :)

[@commodoreisnottheonlyfruit]

I think Stick was not multitasking aware, but Sting says it's a requirement. I do have MagicNet lying around, I might try it an see is there's an ease of installation / speed difference.

[@pudpullertm]

I loved Magic!

[@plechaim]

The ST still came out 4 years later than the PC ;-)

[@commodoreisnottheonlyfruit]

Very true. I remember coding on a PC-XT, two 5.25 inch disk drives, no hard disk and an early version of DOS. I guess it was CGA? Though all it ever displayed for me was text!

[@plechaim]

It's a cheap but good reply to a PC user who says our machines are old lol, "well yours is older" ;-)@@commodoreisnottheonlyfruit

[@mikecaster4612]

How would you get the files for the NetusBee if you did not have the UltraSatan?

[@commodoreisnottheonlyfruit]

It would need a floppy disk and there not easy to create on a modern PC or Mac, with out an old floppy device.

[@mikecaster4612]

@@commodoreisnottheonlyfruit That is my problem - I need to get an Atari formatted disk to get the NetUSBee files into my system. The USB floppy drives (for PC) only format 1.44 megabyte disks (I have one) which is not the 720K Atari disk. I like to get the NetUSBee going first but, don't know anyone with Atari computer who can send a disk.

[@commodoreisnottheonlyfruit]

@mikecaster4612 where do you live?

[@mikecaster4612]

​@@commodoreisnottheonlyfruit Located in Redford, Michigan, just west of the Detroit border. Since my last comment, I have ordered an UltraSatan and a Gotek unit since I feel that I should have one as a second connection to my PC.

[@AdamKlobukowski]

Try Highwire, it runs circles around slow Cab :P

[@atari1040]

Adam, but does it run on plain 1040ste with 4mb?

[@AdamKlobukowski]

@@atari1040 Yes it should. Requires NVDI.

[@commodoreisnottheonlyfruit]

Hi Adam. Do you have a link for Highwire All I found were dead links when looking for it (mind you didn'\t try too hard)

[@CallousCoder]

I have one and never really got ethernet to work reliably. So. I am curioust

[@commodoreisnottheonlyfruit]

It was easy enough to get working, i just ignored all the guides I saw as most of them were for using PPP and getting online via a proxy PC.

[@CallousCoder]

@@commodoreisnottheonlyfruit btw have you tried starting for example speedball 2 on the sidecart to the point you could play it or xenon II? It seems to multi disk games don’t load here. Also the menu system is very “Spanish”. You start arkanoid and you don’t get arkanoid you start xenon (1) you get fire blaster. It really is rather shotty.

[@j.tann1970]

hehe Windows 3.1.1! I think you mean 3.11 😉

[@commodoreisnottheonlyfruit]

Yeah stuffed it up :-) I think it's because we always called it "three one one" at work, not three eleven.

[@mikefulton1963]

Uh, no, the internet was not 2 years old in 1985. It got its start more like 15 years before that for things like email, FTP, and newsgroups, but the WWW didn't come around til 1991, not 1989. There are like 8 billion websites with this information, did you read any of them?

[@commodoreisnottheonlyfruit]

Yes I did. Here are a few key dates, from some of those billions of web sites Some key dates: 1991: The World wide web, started by Sir Tim in 1989 and made public in 1991. 1983: The internet forms as TCP/IP proliferates. That's why 1st of Jan 1983 is used as the Birthday of the internet. 1982: TCP/IP, foundation of the internet was standardized Pre '83 it was ARPANET and DARPANET, not the internet.

[@ally7055]

Be nice if you acknowledged his reply. Maybe consider your tone when interacting with content creators. The author is clearly above average in his tech knowledge for this system, and isn't exactly new to the internet.