Getting Started with MPLAB X IDE - Part 4 Microcontroller Basics (PIC10F200)

[@genkidama7385]

CANT WAIT TO SEE THAT LED BLINK WOW !!!!!

[@juansauceda9656]

I remember creating something similar. Great Job!

[@richardzamudio3580]

Look at that sorpresive Spanish lesson included, good content👍

[@CircuitBread]

Just wanted to sneak a little bonus learning in there 😀

[@georgmach1813]

Hello, very nice work thank you, I'll follow all the tutos quietly :)

[@CircuitBread]

Sounds great, Georg! You don't need to do it quietly, though - questions are (almost) always appreciated. 😀

[@mnada72]

Very interesting channel, I like your way for presenting stuff. Thank you.

[@CircuitBread]

Thank you!

[@lucasianii8178]

Wow, great explanation

[@yuribiktop6595]

i am having problem selecting any compiler listed in the Compiler Toolchains. Is not select-able. Please i need help on what to do.

[@theodoroskosmidis9905]

super ......thank you for all this information

[@CircuitBread]

Thanks Theodoros, our pleasure!

[@francaishaitam6708]

how to add mpasm compiler to your compilers list i only have xc8 compiler

[@CircuitBread]

mpasm has been deprecated and now xc8 is what they support. The structure shown in these videos are still applicable and most individual portions but there are minor differences. Here is a link showing the difference between the two types: www.circuitbread.com/tutorials/mpasm-to-mplab-xc8-pic-assembler

[@francaishaitam6708]

@@CircuitBreadI love you your reply just give me a reason to keep working ❤

[@nicklaskaadner6791]

For some reason, even after a fresh MPLAB X install, i can't choose mpasm as my assembler. Any idea as to why it wouldn't be available?

[@CircuitBread]

That's odd, that should be automatically included in MPLAB X unless you actively tell it not to be included. Is the box greyed out or is simply not an option when you go into your settings?

[@mejente1]

Hi, I have the same problem on windows. I got the newest version (as of todays date) from the official site and mpasm simply just doesnt show as an option, also I cant see the mpasm folder in the program Microprocessor directory under Progran Files either. When I try to build an assembly file it throws an error. If you could help me out with some advice I would be so greatful.

[@markpritchett3543]

First of all, you've created a great series of videos and I recently received a PICkit4 and was keen to go. However, I'm having the same issues as others have reported here. I have downloaded the latest MPLAB X IDE, version details below. There is no mpasm anywhere on the server, especially not where it should be, in /opt/microchip somewhere. It doesn't show up in the list of 'Compilers' when creating a new project. Further more, the p10f200.inc file isn't installed either. Could this be because I'm using the 'Free Mode' license whereas you're probably using a professional one ? In case it helps anyone else, I've installed gputils, which included the p10f200.inc file, and have been able to follow along with the tutorial from the command line. The About option in MPLAB X shows: Product Version: MPLAB X IDE v5.40 Java: 1.8.0_202; OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM 25.202-b05 Runtime: OpenJDK Runtime Environment 1.8.0_202-b05 System: Linux version 4.19.0-10-amd64 running on amd64; UTF-8; en_GB (mplab) User directory: /home/mark/.mplab_ide/dev/v5.40 Cache directory: /home/mark/.cache/mplab_ide/dev/v5.40/var

[@mejente1]

Hey everyone! In case this helps for anyone.... I couldnt get MPLAB X working in the end and gave up, but i did manage to get my assambly programs compiled with the MPLAB Xpress online version without any problems. So if thats an option for you, switching to the online version might be the easiest solution.

[@markbeebe2463]

Bad news, y'all. Per this stackoverflow post, it looks like the current version of MPLAB doesn't support MPASM anymore. If I understand correctly, you can use XC8, but there's differences? Idk. I'm gonna check out that and the browser version, see if I can get either working for me. Thanks for the heads up @mejente1

[@theclephane2914]

Is there somewhere I can see all this stuff put into the breadboard? Never done this!

[@CircuitBread]

I think Sergey took some pictures and for the videos we sometimes have close-up shots of the breadboards but Sergey explicitly mentioned in one of his tutorials that he was avoiding Fritzing as being able to turn a schematic into a breadboard is a good skill to have. As these tutorials slowly get more and more difficult, it should be pretty straightforward to start with and then you'll get better as they get more complicated.

[@tanishjeetsingh4350]

The mplab pickit is really expensive. It's cost about 60 usd in my country. Is there any alternative? Please recommend.

[@CircuitBread]

We go into this a little bit on the second tutorial - www.circuitbread.com/tutorials/equipment-for-our-simple-microcontroller-tutorials-pic10f200-part-2 There are clones and DIY kits out there that drop the cost considerably but we can't guarantee they'll work as well as the original, unfortunately.

[@anyonecanmakeit718]

Is there any way to bypass pickit??? Bcoz its so expensive for such project

[@CircuitBread]

It is unfortunate how expensive these have become. There are other programmers out there for cheaper from places like Alibaba and Amazon or you can even make your own. They're not officially supported but most of them, so I've heard, work well. Unfortunately, I don't have any personal recommendations.

[@dLLund]

would the new mplab snap programmer work ok ? i'm guessing 'no' because of the high voltage required on the reset pin, during programming. the outrigger canoe bringing my pickit3 [AND a pickit2] from china may have sunk in a typhoon or something. thanks

[@CircuitBread]

Hey David - I've looked into it in the past and even though I haven't tried, I think you're right. The high voltage required to program the PIC10F200 isn't available with the SNAP programmer. And I'm sorry to hear that your shipment may have gotten lost. I think some parts for a few of these tutorials are at the bottom of the ocean with your PICKits as well - Sergey created several more tutorials and the parts I ordered two months ago for the tutorials still haven't shown up.

[@CircuitBread]

You should definitely go and read Sergey's written tutorials that these are based on. Besides going into more depth on each topic, you can get the code and read through the important schematics and tables: www.circuitbread.com/tutorials/circuit-setup-mplab-x-ide-part-4-simple-microcontroller-pic10f200 ALSO! MPASM is now becoming obsolete, so we have provided XC8 ported code on the site, as well as a process of how to port the code if you are interested: www.circuitbread.com/tutorials/mpasm-to-mplab-xc8-pic-assembler The structure, logic, and MOST commands will remain the same but there are some minor variations.

[@saksham9143]

Can i use a PIC K150 for programming?

[@CircuitBread]

We've never used that programmer before but looking at the datasheet, it looks like the PIC10F200 is supported by the PIC K150. You should be good to go!

[@Inquire98]

That was REALLY a good question 🤔

[@brucelamb6060]

From your website, where did you get the schematic diagram? Did you come up with it? I'm trying to follow along with official documentation as muc as I can but can't seem to find that diagram (or a diagram). I do have datasheet and Pickit 4 official guide.

[@CircuitBread]

Hi Bruce, all circuit diagrams were created by Sergey and he's pretty good about being explicit when he pulled images from datasheets. If he doesn't give credit, you can assume he made it.

[@sweekarkhadka4595]

I want to know about the circuit design of it

[@CircuitBread]

How the PIC10F200 is designed internally? That would be fascinating and while Microchip may have that information available, I would be kinda surprised if they did.

[@zakiakhtar6871]

Will this work with PIC16f676?

[@CircuitBread]

I haven't tested it myself but I believe it will - though minor modifications may be necessary. The 16F series has a lot more options and is much more powerful compared to the 12F series used in these tutorials. That being said, the concepts and framework are all applicable and helpful, I'm just not sure if the details will transfer. I have a PIC16F690 somewhere, I need to try this out and see...

[@mortenlund1418]

This is a great video

[@CircuitBread]

Thanks Morten, glad that it was helpful!

[@yacinemaaroof1496]

CAN I DO THIS IN PROTEUS SOFTWARE

[@CircuitBread]

Proteus will help you with circuit design but, as far as I know, it won't work as a Microchip IDE. I would be very surprised if it did. So for the firmware portion, you will likely want to use a Microchip provided IDE.

[@danieleborrello8932]

Great man!! Bel video ;)

[@CircuitBread]

Thanks Daniele!

[@piratec6291]

Great video, quick question, is this software just for the "pic..." Microcontroller series or if I get a random microcontroller will this software be able to work with them? Thanks :)

[@CircuitBread]

It will not likely work just as a copy and paste between microcontroller families. Different manufacturers have slightly different assembly commands and different hardware architecture. That being said, there should only be fairly minimal changes from one platform to the other and a lot of things will likely be a "replace this with that" instead of requiring many, if any, changes to the actual structure of the program.

[@piratec6291]

@@CircuitBread awesome, cheers

[@josemarcelino2403]

I like how small the chip is :)

[@CircuitBread]

Yeah, though the programmer and stuff is a little bit more upfront, the chips themselves are tiny and inexpensive. They're great for minuscule projects that don't need much processing.

[@Alex-rv8gw]

where to install mpasm ???

[@CircuitBread]

Hey Alex - mpasm has been deprecated and we need to go through and update our written tutorials and some of the code. Fortunately, as the videos are at a higher level, the concepts and general structure should be completely unchanged.

[@Alex-rv8gw]

@@CircuitBread so I can be using the PIC -AS assembler for your all pic tutorial ??

[@CircuitBread]

In structure, yes. In specifics of the code, at the moment, maybe, maybe not. I'm confident about the simpler code but am not certain about the more complex code. I'm hoping in early December to start going through all the example code on our site and converting it to PIC-AS and frankly, I'm not quite sure how that will go.

[@CircuitBread]

@@Alex-rv8gw A bit belated, but we have ported all of the code to XC8, which are included on the site, as well as a process of how to move any code from MPASM to XC8. www.circuitbread.com/tutorials/mpasm-to-mplab-xc8-pic-assembler

[@Alex-rv8gw]

@@CircuitBread noted thanks

[@dLLund]

i watched a youTube video on programming an attiny45 or 85, using an arduino uno as a programmer. can the pic10f200 be programmed w/ a similar setup ? between ebay & aliexpress, the postal carrier is visiting frequently these days, as i tool up to follow your excellent videos. thank you so much. between cv & the mpls riots, i'd been running out of crappy old movies to watch. :) take care & stay safe.

[@CircuitBread]

Hey David - yeah, I've been giving our mailman a workout recently too, I understand! You can create a programmer out of an Arduino or some other microcontroller and that is something that Sergey has done on multiple occasions. As for an Arduino Uno to program the PIC10F200, I think there would have to be some sort of voltage booster as you need 12V on VPP to program it and I'm not sure how that would be done offhand. Not all PICs require those 12V, though. I'll send Sergey this comment and see if he has any thoughts.

[@CircuitBread]

I chatted with Sergey and he agreed that you won't be able to use most microcontrollers as a programmer of the PIC10F200 by themselves but that a voltage step-up module is an easy and inexpensive way to expand their capabilities. Should be fun to experiment with!

[@dLLund]

@@CircuitBread - hello again. so, does the pickit provide the 12vdc on pin 8 [vpp] of the pic10f200 ? reading on the web, it looks like vdd+4v should suffice. if vdd is 5v, from the usb port, i'm thinking a 9v batt & a momentary push button might suffice. my faux pickit from china is mia [8+ weeks so far]. one little programming gizmo i bought is labeled tx & rx. that just sounds like rs232. the fauxduino uno has sck, miso, & mosi available. i'm guessing sck to pic10f200 pin 3 [icspclk] & mosi to pic10f200 pin 1 [icspdat]. any hint where i can find the json {?} file to add the pic10f200 to the arduino ide targets file ? i'm doubtful the mplide 8.76 is gonna offer the fauxduino uno as a programming tool. no need to respond, if i'm being too much of a pest. anxious to get started w/ my 'follow the bouncing electron' tutorial w/ y'all. please take care & stay safe.

[@yacinemaaroof1496]

WHY MICROSHIP WEBSITE DOES NOT WORK IN IRAQ

[@CircuitBread]

Working with other companies (we've never worked directly with Microchip), we've found that sometimes they have to geoblock certain countries due to restrictions placed on them by the US government. That is probably the case here. I can't encourage any potentially illegal behavior, of course, but a VPN may be an option to consider.

[@FutureCloudX]

I guess you can use diodes instead of registers to the switches. Can't you?

[@CircuitBread]

I'm not sure if I understand - you want to use diodes instead of changing the registers in the code?

[@lecrammped9036]

Tremendo

[@Holzf43ller]

so i guess the pickit is like an eeprom writer?

[@CircuitBread]

Hmmmm... I'd more consider it a programmer and debugger than an eeprom writer. In this series we use it solely as a programmer.

[@darkojakimovski3834]

Still trying to control my excitement :XD

[@FelixNielsen]

You know it's a shit product, when you have to fight with a fracking IDE, of all things, after paying and arm an a leg for a thingymagick that allows you to flash the damn development/evaluation board, which was equally expensive, even though it's really nothing but the pic, a couple of LEDs and buttons. Seriously, this is beyond comprehension. I had a few options, and I chose the pic, exactly because I fully expected to NOT have to deal with shit like this. *sigh*

[@Oh-ou4lp]

weres 4

[@CircuitBread]

Sorry, what's the question here?

[@veerasandhya9826]

Binod

[@DarkLight748]

Bloody hell who are these videos aimed at? 10 year olds?

[@veerasandhya9826]

Binod