Does The Bible Teach That Women Should Submit??? -- Voddie Baucham

[@erinbuck129]

“The Bible doesn’t say ‘Women, submit to all men.’ This is about order within the context of the marriage relationship.” THANK YOU for stating this so plainly. I get so sad hearing other women (in particular SINGLE women) get so offended by an idea that was NEVER in Scripture in the first place. And then to misunderstand how submission in a marriage works just pushes them further away. When both parties of a covenant uphold their part, the covenant (in this case marriage) works

[@Ike-un6mc]

It does say "submit to one another in the fear of the Lord" (ie the saints, those that make up the Body of Yeshua the Messiah, His Church) however.

[@elle_l808l]

@@Ike-un6mc i believe he said that part encompasses the follow up verses....submit to one another, as in...wives submit to husbands, children submit to parents, slaves submit to masters, everyone has someone they need to submit to....in fear of the Lord.....for order....is that not so?

[@Ike-un6mc]

@@elle_l808l submit yourselves to one another is addressed to the whole Body of Yeshua, His Church, the saints and pertains to mutual submission in service to one another, which reveals our reverence (fear) of Yahweh, who commands that we Agape Love one another through our beneficial service to one another, as exemplified by Yeshua theMessiah, who laid down His life for us, His flock as the Good Shepherd.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@elle_l808l exactly. They kinds of submission he's talking about are explained immediately afterwards. Not everybody to everybody

[@Berean_with_a_BTh]

​@@Ike-un6mcSo do you submit to _everything_ your children demand of you?

[@cosmictreason2242]

Read Ephesians 5-6. It says "submit yourselves to one another in the fear of the Lord. In the following way: 1. Wives, to your husbands 2. Children, to your parents 3. Slaves, to your masters." Consistent exegesis means we cannot conclude that husbands submit to their wives any more than parents submitb to their children, just because they are addressed in the passage.

[@bobbyadkins6983]

And Jesus doesn't submit to us either.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@bobbyadkins6983 also a good point. If the husband is symbolizing Christ, he can't submit to his wife

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@bobbyadkins6983 also a good point. If the husband is symbolizing Christ, he can't submit to his wife

[@Tonyanevangelist]

We've all witnessed parents submitting to their children and its consequences: bratty, insolent, smart aleck, spoiled.

[@felixntui4729]

If the husband symbolise Christ ,then the Wife submission,is directly related ,to how he treat her , care for her ,respect her , sacrifices himself for her ,for it's written that we love him because he loved us ( the church ,his bride ) first,he suffered everything for her ,empowered her with the holy Spirit,Wife submission is not free of charge or automatic,it's triggered by the loving kindness , It's a military word but your home isn't a military camp , Christianity power is held in leadership ( exemple as Chris did ,he is the role model ) not in command pointing for others to do in an authoritative manner.of some unholy men .But love is the most excellent path to walk in .

[@dereksander4854]

Thank you for being bold enough to preach the truth

[@yumdelicious123]

Everyone needs this kind of courage to say what everyone is afraid to hear!

[@Vipsosam]

another idiot using the word "truth" when it's made up nonsense. This is not what truth means...

[@wikdipr2944]

This is absolutely the most eloquent argument I've heard on this topic for either side.

[@helloearth11]

If being the "male leader" in your home makes you prideful, you do not know how to imitate the humility of Jesus being our Great Shepard. If submission "the female role" makes you envious, angry or contentious, you do not know how to imitate the humility of Jesus. Husbands ought to lead like Jesus, wives are to submit to their husbands like Jesus does to His Father. Both have a tremedous job to accomplish. Fear God people.

[@CarmenCastille]

ok snowflake internet expert change your diaper 😅😅😅

[@Sylver_Echo2923]

Beautifully said! =)

[@WavyCloud313]

On and when Jesus led he rebuked his disciples included Paul called him Satan. So leading is not always the way a woman might want it. This day in age woman are not shame faced as the Bible says they should be. 1Timothy 2:9-15

[@jaylonallen8423]

​@@WavyCloud313Jesus did not call Paul, Satan

[@Vipsosam]

Really really stupid

[@johnbarnes4540]

In the same passage husbands are instructed to live their wives as Christ loves His church. That is we as husband's must not laud it over our wives but rather be ready to die for her. Most husbands are very quick to read past that verse. Very quick to tell our wives what they must do but even quicker to ignore what we are called to do. And the calling is very high indeed

[@Brian-sh7oc]

Amen

[@John14Verse6]

That takes away nothing from the other verses and does not mean a wife can choose to disobey just because he husband puts it over her head. “Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;” (1 Peter 3:1)

[@mythreesonsfarms]

And this person chooses to interject their personal opinion.

[@10Sethg]

There are men who mistreat their wives and take advantage of the submission verse and there are wives who do not submit to their husbands and quote that husbands should live with their wives in an understanding way. Both are wrong and focusing on one feels like it’s negating the other.

[@johnbarnes4540]

@10Sethg absolutely. I cannot agree with you more. Marriage is a two way street. I've been married for 47 years and I always remember what a young office peer said to me. He asked me why are you getting married and we chatted a bit but he said one thing so profound I have never forgotten it. He said if you are getting married for what you can get out of it the don't get married. It will fail. He said if you get married for what you can put into the marriage it will always last.

[@angloaust1575]

In the garden God said to the woman your desire shall be For your husband and he will rule over you! Genesis3v16

[@stalker7892]

Man and woman were created equal. When god gave Adam authority over the woman it was delegation of authority. In any relationship whether corporate or social , when there is a decision to be made where people do not agree only one can make it. But! With that authority comes the responsibility for making that decision, because it also affects other people in the case of family.

[@angloaust1575]

1tim2 11.15

[@CarmenCastille]

that was a curse totally irrelevant she wanted him to bring her food and shelter keep her from being raped This submission is willful in God's Order

[@gingercake0907]

Ephesians says husbands love your wives as Christ loves the church and gave His life for it. God rules over everyone but in love , never forcing himself on others just because He can. Ephesians 5:25-33. So the verse in Genesis doesn’t mean men are superior to women, women are of lower social status , because of God sending Jesus Christ. On the surface that seems simple but when you start delving into it, it ain’t simple and men folk and women folk better stop worrying about whether the other gender is doing what they are told and start worrying about whether they are doing what they are told.

[@Cloudsbegone]

I've heard it said that this "desire" is mistranslated. In more articulate terms, it means that we women COVET, not desire, our husband's positions, not our husbands! We ALL want to be the BOSS! It can be clearly seen that the majority of women DO NOT DESIRE their husbands!

[@karinteeples9715]

If us as women, are genuine Jesus Christ Followers, we are to submit to our husbands period. It doesn’t matter if he is acting out or being a child in moments, we are only in control of ourselves and our relationship with Jesus, we are still to be obedient. This is my journey currently. I wanted to be in rebellion as I was angry with my husband’ behavior ~I cried out to God angry, He comforted me reminding me that I was still to be obedient and in this~ He will reward my obedience. It’s not a matter of if we find reasons not to, it’s a matter of God says to and we do it. Marriages and Families are being destroyed due to both men and women refusing to obey Gods’ commands. There’s joy in obedience. 🙌🏻🔥

[@annehortsana2957]

Hallelujah ❤🙂

[@WOODYSBUILDS]

I agree I was unsaved and my wife was and she prayed and stayed for years that I might truly come to know the lord it’s unfortunate that I even felt worthy of marrying her before Christ became I never deserve her truth is marriage should be between two believed that know Jesus but now I lead and she fallows keep praying and god bless

[@j.p.5716]

Yes. This is exactly what Peter teaches in 1 Peter 2:13 - 3:6.

[@karinteeples9715]

@@WOODYSBUILDSHallelujah!! God is a God of miracles!! Marriage for Believers, is a covenant with God. It is our assignment while here on earth. Home is where Godly living, example servant hood is demonstrated among one another. Satan is destroying this unit and as a consequence we have so many with childhood trauma and are broken mentally and emotionally. Praise God you are choosing obedience you will receive a reward! I’m married 33 years and it has been the most difficult thing I’ve ever had to live out biblically. I fail constantly. God in His mercy continues to guide and protect me and our family. We choose obedience and repentance for fleshly sin. I’ll pray for you guys! What a testimony!! Keep on!! 🔥💯

[@Akitorbenov]

Love his preaching so much, God keep him with us for a hundred years. Hugs from Italy

[@tomhitchcock8195]

“Thank God for them that has the knowledge.” Percy Ray

[@churchofchristministriesin5810]

I've heard the response to this scripture where the spirit of Jezebel would say "I'll submit yo him if I feel he's leading me well"

[@Tonyanevangelist]

Amen Dr.! The twisted, deceptive "gospel" coming from women "pastors", lesbian "pastors", cross dressing "pastors", me-centered "pastors" and prosperity "pastors", are works of the devil, thus non-biblical. Keep preaching the truth, brother!

[@2giusinos]

Please stop with the music.

[@deniselong6102]

Right

[@dancarusone]

agreed

[@josephraff2433]

Never

[@aaroncook5928]

Agreed, some delusional man-child trying to be cool.

[@clausewitz41_plus_1]

Amen. It is distracting and it makes it difficult to hear what Voddie is saying.

[@Ch.G.7]

Loved what was spoken, as it is true. The music though - in this setting especially, I don't even want to mention what it brings to mind. Next time this channel uploads, they might want to ask themselves "if I was there attending, would this music/any music be proper as this preaching was done?" .

[@shellygrant4905]

It’s a copyright thing and a KZbin demand. They have to do something to change the video from it’s original. So they add music. The other option is something like altering his voice or speeding up the video. It’s not a desire they have it’s a KZbin thing.

[@davidgloria1661]

Who cares?//@@shellygrant4905

[@davidgloria1661]

Who cares?

[@davidgloria1661]

Who cares?

[@skyydancer67]

I think they are addressing the song choice more than the fact that music is playing, ​@shellygrant4905. The song does sound mismatched for the video and more appropriate for dudes gearing up to do dude stuff.

[@benphoto1647]

I agree. My note though would be that all this submission is never done in a vacuum. I find though the husband has a bigger responsibility then his wife in all of this. It is much harder to follow: Eph 5-22 --> Because of Eph 5-33 and 5-34 --> now the real part where there is many failures (ie.: Husbands are so bad that they need more info in Eph 5-25 to 33) For Children towards their parents: Eph 6: 1 to 2 (I agree with that too) --> now the responsibility of the father towards his children is Eph 6:4 --> Do not provoke If you fail in what is above, why would you be suprised if you have contention with your wife... and your children. My two cents. (edit: also everything should be done because Christ loved us first and for his sake. If anyone looses the reason why, they tend to be bad husbands with contentious wives and really provoked kids.)

[@culinaryheart9549]

Amen. Thank you for explaining this so well. We must have order so that we can move forward in our purpose. Know that we are called to honor Christ in all that we do; competition disrupts the order. As children of God (male and female) we should see honor in what God has called to. Blessings to all who are seeking the Lord.

[@NinjaRN4731]

Amen pastor. You are doing the Lord’s work.

[@93Wande]

I've seen so many things in this comment section 😂 1. It's conjoined twins, not a being with two heads. meaning two people that should have been separate by all laws of nature but are not. You know this, so why do you choose to find offence where there is none? 2. The submission of a woman is by choice, one she makes even before tying the knot. She has to have decided that this man has the Capacity to head her home and that She can, in all honesty, place her own personal authority (given to all men since Genesis) under his (the man's) own and have a Certain level of confidence that he will take care with it. If she is not sure of this, why is she marrying him? Just to "wing it" Or see how it goes? The father-heart of a man starts before he even has his own kids. That is why being a man is not a job for little boys 🥲 As we know, leaders will be the first to give account, so, sorry men, that's another line of reporting 😂

[@j.p.5716]

NO. Conjoined twins is a birth defect. It is not the norm and certainly cannot be used as an example. It is amazing what some people come up with.

[@Hashyrama]

Amen!

[@thelthrythquezada8397]

You are speaking my language sir, I am here for it.

[@carolyn1696]

Thank you, except for the music...

[@Patrick-l6p]

Yeah thats no edit just the video

[@gfbc1689]

You are always welcome to listen to the original. You can find it in the description.

[@jen6741]

Godly men. Submit does not mean slave…no opinion…and whatever you say. As women we are answerable to God. Every man is not a Godly man. Understand the will of the Lord. Christ was humble. Many men abuse the scripture and make themselves a master. Submissive is not slavery of any kind. In saying that My husband is the head of my household.

[@10Sethg]

Submission is a posture, the same as humility. Wives are called to default to submitting to their husbands. Biblically they are not called to submit to good husbands, or wise husbands. There is no qualifier other than to submit to their own husband. The only time wives should not submit to their husbands is when it would be sin. If the scripture gave a qualifier then it wouldn't be hard to apply it to every instance. I have listened to teaching that husbands have to meet a certain standard before they should expect their wives to submit to their leadership and I hate it with a passion. Jumping through all the hoops of being patient, being kind, being understanding, setting the example, only to find that your wife still won't submit to your leadership is toxic. Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord otherwise you are in sin.

[@jen6741]

Men who are controlling always makes the statement that they are allowed to be any type of human that they choose and woman are to bow to them in submission. That is of Satan not of God. Your own words speaks to your mind set. It is written, why are you concerned with the speck in your brothers eye when you have a log in yours. Remove the log from yours then you will have time to worry and concern yourself with the spec in your brothers. It should be noted that no one, even yourself, would not want to be under the leadership of someone who is a tyrant. The word of God does not allow a man to make his wife his slave. It is written that a man should treat his wife as Christ treated the church. You might want to consider that your wife, if that’s whom you were indicating, will not submit to you because of your attitude and your behavior. The Bible was talking about a godly man because a worldly man does not believe in God anyway. You should not expect a woman to do what scripture says when you will not do according to scripture. If a person cannot lead a woman to Christ, if a person is not willing to take on the role of a Godly man and behave according to the Gods will then don’t quote scripture to get your authority. As a whole quoting scripture to get authority and power and not bow your head and bend your knee to all mighty is about selfish ambition. This is a travesty. Abuse of scripture for your own gain is also a sin. The Bible is clear on gods expectation. Yours and minds doesn’t matter. Remember there is accountability. Satan twisted the word and will be held accountable. Anyone reading the holy scripture should be scare and convicted not to use the scripture to abuse GODS children.. People should never think they are immune to the wrath of God. Wake up call, NONE ARE.

[@GodSoLoved.Yeshua]

@10Sethg I agree

[@j.p.5716]

God says as a wife, you are answerable to your husband. God does not say that your husband is the head of your household, He says that your husband is the head of YOU (Ephesians 5:23) Peter actually tells New Testament wives they should call their husbands lord (1 Peter 3:5-6). Lord = owner and master. You, like so many women these days have a huge pride problem.

[@gracenmercy579]

That’s music it’s very much a distraction it’s not necessary

[@DBlanco48]

Agreed

[@gfbc1689]

You are always welcome to listen to the original. You can find it in the description.

[@CBess]

I love the teaching clip, I scorn the music :P Picking background music is hard, this video is exhibit A :)

[@DBlanco48]

Agreed

[@CarmenCastille]

weakling😅

[@gfbc1689]

You are always welcome to listen to the original. You can find it in the description.

[@michaelnivens6267]

Amen

[@kiwisaram9373]

We are all called to submit but not forced to as it is a freewill saceifice made by those who know the will and love of God.

[@j.p.5716]

But if you choose not to submit you are living in daily sin and it is your husbands job to call you on that sin and urge you to repent.

[@7michael7getachew7]

1 Timothy 2:12-15 King James Version 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. (End of discussion.)

[@rhhamlin08]

How do you explain the other letters of Paul where he mentions many women leaders and teachers?

[@judy4419]

I love Voice he tells the TRUTH

[@erinbuck129]

9:31 WOW, Preach that, Pastor.

[@johnboyer9008]

Behind every great man is an even greater woman ? A man should be willing to die for his wife and the lady should be willing to live for her husband, yes, no, good idea? -john

[@n9wff]

First, Paul is still addressing all the saints in Ephesus at Chapter 5, verse 21. He changes who he is addressing to wives in v. 22. Paul is specific in the audience, changes between wives and husbands, then children, then slaves.

[@savedby_grace6110]

AMEN!!!!!!!!!

[@standinginthegap7118]

Well spoken

[@dnisey64]

Thank you

[@savedby_grace6110]

It's about order, not equality. Can I get an amen?

[@h2w25]

So many people hate God’s word in the Bible from these comments

[@Gothic_Knight1647]

Speak the Truth Voddie!

[@Patrick-l6p]

Husbands submission is in leadership of the family, womens is learning to lead the household and kids

[@j.p.5716]

Verse reference please?

[@gtravisstone8138]

Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. (Proverbs 30:5-6) Which yet my soul seeketh, but I find not: one man among a thousand have I found; but a woman among all those have I not found. (Ecclesiastes 7:28) Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? (Matthew 7:16) As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths. (Isaiah 3:12) The knowledge of wickedness is not wisdom, neither at any time the counsel of sinners prudence. There is a wickedness, and the same an abomination; and there is a fool wanting in wisdom. (Sirach 19:22-3)

[@Church_media_made_easy]

Anything with two heads is a monster. So deep

[@elizabethhartley8987]

Brilliant just music is silly.

[@gfbc1689]

You are always welcome to listen to the original. You can find it in the description.

[@sharonboehm5296]

The background music is distracting. Jesus didn't use background music.

[@davidgloria1661]

He also doesn’t care about the background music … sheesh 🙄

[@n9wff]

Must have been tedious for a band to follow Jesus and play the music to set the atmosphere for His next teaching or miracle. Wait, churches do that today...

[@gfbc1689]

You are always welcome to listen to the original. You can find it in the description.

[@duderu4real94]

Wrong choice of music 🤦🏾

[@gfbc1689]

You are always welcome to listen to the original. You can find it in the description.

[@garyantill242]

Before I retired I considered myself a slave to my employer,my aim was to please Christ

[@ramoth777]

Colossians 3:23-24!

[@j.p.5716]

Exactly. Wives do not have the market cornered on having to submit to authority.

[@PSClark-b5b]

Same as everyone else, please forgo the music and let the master of Gods message speak alone. Ty for the short content clips!

[@gfbc1689]

You are always welcome to listen to the original. You can find it in the description.

[@WavyCloud313]

Amen agreed

[@rhhamlin08]

Look up Dr Cinthia Westfall and Dr Scott McKnight

[@ThroughYeshuaislife]

Submission is an act of the heart, obedience is an action. You can be submitted but that doesn't mean obedience.

[@SIRFTEMANRUS]

submission has obedience you can't submit if you can't obey, if you are a christian you can't submit yourself to God if you dont want to obey him same for husband and wife. Wife must submit to husband in everything Ephesians 5:22-24 22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. 1 Peter 3:6 Wives, in the same way submit yourselves to your own husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, 2 when they see the purity and reverence of your lives. 3 Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as elaborate hairstyles and the wearing of gold jewelry or fine clothes. 4 Rather, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God’s sight. 5 For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to adorn themselves. They submitted themselves to their own husbands, 6 like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her lord. You are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give way to fear.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@ThroughYeshuaislife no, that is incorrect. If you do not obey, you are not submissive

[@j.p.5716]

Woman logic there for sure.

[@asengkanya1065]

Please, can we have the link to full sermon?

[@gfbc1689]

Look in the description

[@asengkanya1065]

@@gfbc1689 . thanks

[@pawilliams9786]

Eve was an helpmate, not a possession.

[@cosmictreason2242]

You'd be wrong cause a spouse is both. Is not Israel God's special "possession?" That's in context of the covenant which is symbolized by marriage. God already owns everything

[@John14Verse6]

“Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;” (1 Peter 3:1) Yet, here is Peter, lead by the Spirit, telling wives to listen to bad husbands...

[@Shawney-jf6kc]

Come on now. So if you have a bad husband, obviously not obeying God, you don’t sub,it to Him. Do you have discernment!

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@Shawney-jf6kc this is misleading and therefore false. If a husband is disobedient to the Lord , the wife must still submit to him. 1 Corinthians 7 says so explicitly. You can only refuse to do something he says if that very thing is a sinful action. If you will hate him, and hate is a sin, but he told you to clean the sink, you do not have the right to refuse.

[@John14Verse6]

@@Shawney-jf6kc Sara literally went into the arms of another man because she listened to Abraham and she is an example of what women should be. “For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands: Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.” (1 Peter 3:5-6)

[@nathanmayo5700]

keep up with the music.

[@gfbc1689]

thank you

[@---zc4qt]

How can I answer people who say that a wife should only submit to her husband IF he is worthy of it? Have you ever noticed that many "christian" women today want Eph. 5:25 to apply- no matter what!!!!!!!!!!!- and yet they boast that they are free to not submit to their husband? ( Eph. 5:22-24)

[@BabeDmoney]

Husband still must love his wife even if she doesn't submit...but we don't like to mention that part at all

[@Jaco3688]

@@BabeDmoney. A husband should only have to live his wife “if she is worthy of it”, too. Right?

[@karinteeples9715]

BOTH are to surrender their Will and choose obedience to God. Period. Stop looking at your Partner’ behavior to decide if you’re going to be obedient to Gods’ word or not. Ridiculous. Work on ourselves. Let God deal with our Partners. 🙌🏻🔥

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@---zc4qt they are in sin, op. Submission is unconditional. You don't submit to a command to sin, but that's it. His sinfulness is never an excuse for her not to submit to literally anything he says. He could be rudely micromanaging and she has to follow him

[@j.p.5716]

Short answer, you answer with 1 Peter 3:1-6. If you really want to get into it, read and fully understand 1 Peter 2:13 - 3:6.

[@johngarnto9016]

Marriage, to Husband,123,123.

[@walkerdrae]

Gotta agree the music wasn't necessary and it didn't really fit.

[@gfbc1689]

You are always welcome to listen to the original. You can find it in the description.

[@jameschappell-ih4cw]

People stop complaining about the music! God predestined that the music would be there. It was being played IRL for sure.

[@gfbc1689]

Listen to the original. You can find it in the description.

[@chriskennedy8514]

Full sermon?

[@gfbc1689]

Look in the description

[@ricksaunders8074]

Believe this behind every good man There is a good woman One dont go without the other A women will nature her Children A man will lead his family A real man won't let his Children disrespect his Wife their mother

[@jamin1632]

Mary Todd Lincoln? I disagree

[@ricksaunders8074]

@@jamin1632 She's dead

[@MrSchulz777]

Paul says it's better to be single and devote our energy and life to serve the Lord. Jesus says there is none good but God. So the saying "behind every good man is a good woman" is not true.

[@ricksaunders8074]

@@MrSchulz777 So is that what you are doing staying single ROMANS 3:10-18 Its better to be on the edge of a roof then to live with a quarrelsome women.

[@j.p.5716]

the first 3 lines is Feminist nonsense.

[@jackjones3657]

Great video, there is no music. The question is not about value but about order. A creature with two heads is a monster. The word for submission is a military term. Submission works in only one direction. God's design is clear. He is a God of order and the husband is head of the home, leading as Christ, and the woman submitting to his authority under God. When this order breaks down chaos ensues.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@jackjones3657 good point. An officer doesn't "submit to the needs of his enlisted," as several women are saying

[@ga1actic_muffin]

Why are things with 2 heads a monster? What is the definition of a monster here?

[@8784-l3b]

monster - a marriage of 2 equals serving God together Wives, subject yourselves to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body. But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything. -excerpt Ephesians 5 -words of Paul This is a false teaching by Paul. Paul states that a Christian woman is to submit to an imperfect man, as though that imperfect man was the Christ. So Paul equates a husband, a mere man, to deity.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@8784-l3b you just blasphemed the word of God and claimed the Bible teaches from Satan. You are not born again

[@mythreesonsfarms]

Oh but. Game over mic drop.

[@lisalee8558]

Music is distracting

[@gfbc1689]

You are always welcome to listen to the original. You can find it in the description.

[@TabithaDavis]

I think we want to categorize women who do not do this properly as rebellious when in a lot of cases there are women who did submit somewhere along the way to a man who was not a good leader. Let's not be so quick to cast judgment and assume they just want to be rebellious. A LOT of emphasis has been placed on the woman for years. Men's calling is even greater.

[@karinteeples9715]

Truth. This is a balanced view. Thanku!

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@TabithaDavis women are wirshipped in our society and not taught the full counsel of scripture. Refusing to submit to husband is rebellion against God. This is not a mistake for Voddie to say

[@j.p.5716]

Not an excuse. 1 Peter 3:1-6 makes it clear that it does not matter if the husband is a good leader (or even a good man) or not, the wife is still supposed to submit to him with all respect. She does this because of her faith in God.

[@TabithaDavis]

@j.p.5716 while you are right, you didn't refute my point. Compassion goes a long way. I just made the point that some Women who have trouble submitting aren't being rebellious. Some women have been traumatized. I used to be hard towards people laying down the hammer. I'm not arguing against the Word. some Women need to be encouraged not to grow weary in well doing.

[@j.p.5716]

@@TabithaDavis - You can make your earthly excuses all you want but, anyone (man or woman) who is being disobedient to the word of God is being rebellious.. to God. That said, women seem to be the ones who (much more often) want to make excuses for why they do not do what they should do. God knows their hearts. They are only fooling themselves. Either they have enough faith and love for Jesus to obey Him or they don't.

[@DBallantino]

Love this message. Don’t love the music.

[@gfbc1689]

You are always welcome to listen to the original. You can find it in the description.

[@furiousstyles285]

Bro, the music is a huge distraction

[@gfbc1689]

You are always welcome to listen to the original. You can find it in the description.

[@iCy_youseeme]

The music is not necessary. It's immensely of putting to listen to.

[@gfbc1689]

You are always welcome to listen to the original. You can find it in the description.

[@MWebb-de9pq]

The last example able the military 10 month vs 10 years men doesn't always hold up. Sure there are consequences, but breaking command does happen when life is on the line. This is why a woman shouldn't submit in every situation, and why citizens don't submit to government in every situation. God gives rights that can't be taken, they can only be willingly laid down. Part of the trouble with teaching Romans 13 incorrectly.

[@armsracer8273]

What you are talking about is exceptions to the general principle. Just because there are exceptions doesn't mean the principle doesn't exist.

[@mpclepto182]

@@armsracer8273 Anyone using the line of reasoning like the guy above you did is very confused. Wives are submit in "all things", however, Scripture never conflicts with itself therefore when God says, "don't sin" we must reconcile the meaning to be a balance here. Perhaps for people who really are bad at understanding this specific piece of Scripture, they need to be hit over the head with an extra statement, "Wives submit to your husbands in everything...that isn't a sin, because duh." But many of married life's decisions come with no guidance from the Spirit nor 'right or wrong' Scripture to justify it. A husband wants to buy a tomato and the wife wants to buy a pear, they have not enough money to buy both. Do they buy neither and keep their money? Do they argue until they can't speak in the middle of the store? Do they buy a potato since they can't agree? No, the wife submits (surely after giving her opinion as to why the pear is the preferable choice) and says, "Ok husband, if you think the tomato is the better choice then I support your decision....and then they both move. on. together. There's no Bible passage saying pears are evil nor one saying tomatoes are a poor choice...and I highly doubt the Spirit will tell you which to buy. At most, I'd guess the Spirit would guide the wife to submit to her husband...This isn't complicated stuff, but it is difficult to accept because submission requires humility and humans are prideful creatures.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@MWebb-de9pq op your words are careless. Listen to the man above my comment. The only commands you are not to submit to are the ones that would have you directly violate a higher authority.

[@terrylawrence906]

No. The Bible is clear on the matter. Attempting to modify the rhetoric of the Bible, under any pretext, would compromise its value and interest. The Bible is a sacred text, regarded by many believers as the divine word transmitted by prophets and apostles. By altering its message to fit contemporary circumstances or opinions, we risk diluting its essence and authority. What is the purpose of possessing a Bible if we do not respect its fundamental teachings? The Bible serves as a spiritual and moral guide, offering teachings and principles that the faithful are supposed to follow. Questioning or modifying these teachings is tantamount to challenging the divine authority attributed to them. The Bible is the word of God transmitted through men. If this word is continually revised to adapt to debates and social evolutions, it would lose its immutable foundation. The strength of the Bible lies in its constancy and authority. Modifying it according to the whims of human discussions could erode the foundation of faith and the coherence of the religious teachings it contains.

[@8784-l3b]

And do not call anyone on earth your father; for only One is your Father, He who is in heaven. -excerpt Matthew 23 -words of Jesus I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you. For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers... -excerpt 1 Corinthians 4 KJV -words of Paul

[@wateringthefate3890]

Submit to christ jesus as head. But never a leader over men by status form or fashion. Word of God is for correction. Man who dont supply for "his own household" is worse then an infidel.

[@wateringthefate3890]

Know a tree by fruit it bares. Money not a fruit in creation when a KINGDOM of HEAVEN be at HAND.

[@wateringthefate3890]

For it is easier to take camel make a thread out of it. melt steal into a needle and thread it with the camel. Then to get a rich man to enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

[@siyabongamateso6955]

The music is a distraction sorry please stop it in future videos

[@gfbc1689]

Listen to the original

[@bobvadney7240]

No...the word of God teaches...that husbands are to love their wives.....AS...CHRIST....LOVED...THE...CHURCH...& GAVE HIMSELF ...FOR...IT....Eph 5:25...{V22} yeah wives are instructed to submit to their husbands....AS...UNTO...THE...LORD....AKA...As husbands submit to Christ....is the standard....V25....

[@Berean_with_a_BTh]

Neither of these _commandments_ is conditional on the other. You've inserted a condition that is foreign to the text. Ask yourself why you would do that.

[@j.p.5716]

@@Berean_with_a_BTh - Because of feminism.

[@rhhamlin08]

​In the greek it is conditional.

[@j.p.5716]

Also, your "As unto the Lord". is incorrect. It is not as husbands submit to Christ. It is that a wife should submit to her husband in the same way she would submit to Christ if He were living in the house with her.

[@kathyyoung6736]

The music is distracting and not spiritual

[@gfbc1689]

You are always welcome to listen to the original. You can find it in the description.

[@Borealis_ColorsErupt]

And they say sexism don't exist 😂

[@gfbc1689]

Who says that?

[@Borealis_ColorsErupt]

@gfbc1689 heard that at a church one time, but also that's just a phrase, like you know what they say

[@hectorcorrea6993]

Bro turn that music off

[@gfbc1689]

You are always welcome to listen to the original. You can find it in the description.

[@annbathan7232]

With due respect. Today, the teaching or preaching of a women is regarded by many as a disgrace or a curse to the community of Christianity. 1. For you do not believe on the ENTIRETY of the Scripture and you focus only into 1 or 2 chapters. You are like the nonbelieving Jews who focused only on the Old Testament more especifically on the Law. Why? Because if you are going to read one or two chapter or one verse in the Old Testament only and get the whole interpretations from these verse or chapter like: Psalm 19:7-8 💕The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul... Psalm 19:8 💕The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart; The commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes; All these are true but if you only focused on these then you would forget that the second or new covenant is more precious than the first or old covenant stated in Jeremiah 31:31-33 and Isaiah 53. Then why are you now not in the Old Covenant rules? 2. At the same time in 1 Timothy 2:11-15 💕A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;she must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing-if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety Then if you only focus on this chapter then you would forget the prophecy in Acts 2:17-18 💕‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams. Even on my SERVANTS, BOTH men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy. And these verses coincides with the book of Joel 2:28-29 If you are going to analyze the verses 1. "And it shall come to pass in the last days,' It means there are 2 phases of time, the previous days and the last days. In the previous days I believe that men is primarily the servant of God while, The time "in the last days" supports that BOTH MEN AND WOMEN are called SERVANTS. There is no called less servant neither more servant in capability and ability. It is only called servants. This is further confirmed in the Book Revelation Revelation 19:10 💕 At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “Don't do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your BROTHERS AND SISTERS who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For it is the Spirit of prophecy who bears testimony to Jesus.” As the Revelation had foretold that brothers and sisters HOLD the testimony of Jesus for it is the Spirit of Prophecy who bears the testimony of Jesus. And these gave us the right TODAY to speak even as a sons or daughters, young or old, men or women. We women DO NOT assume the authority over men, but HOLD the testimony of Jesus Christ for it is only Jesus Christ who is the master of all servants whether men or women, young or old. So I ask you would you deny the reliability of a women or sisters who holds the testimony of Jesus? Is it only the men who must have the testimony of Jesus? Why are you not primarily on the 'Law of Moses' today when verse said that 'the Law is perfect' ? Am I deceiving you? 3. It is only by the "works you could know the fruits" for all servants. So I encourage all the Christian pastors to test the spirit that tells this understanding and after you have tested then SPEAK to know the spirit of truth or the spirit of falsehood. For it is only our Lord Yeshua, Jesus Christ, who could judge each servant for it is only He who is our master. 4. ALL the believing Gentiles in the "Vine" are holding the testimony of Jesus Christ for it is the reason why primarily the Gentiles are called that our 'brother' may have faith for faith came from hearing and hearing the Word of God, by preaching the gospel of Christ. Romans 9:14 - 18 💕How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard?And how are they to hear without someone preaching? And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!” But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?” So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ. But I ask, have they not heard? Indeed they have, for “Their voice has gone out to all the earth, and their words to the ends of the world.” Romans 9:18 is for the believing Jews and Gentiles or is called the Church. For if each Christian religions focused only on the different ideology or on the numbers of the members as blessing, but have forgotten to preach the Word of God, then they are not the 'called believing Gentiles' to fulfill Romans 10:18 as the Scripture had said and not included in the "Vine" who is Jesus Christ. The war is not about who is greatest among the Christian religions, or who is more better on holding the testimony of Jesus Christ.

[@jarrett2213]

Not true

[@robertdouglas8895]

We all have access to the truth through the Holy Spirit. Does the Holy Spirit dish that truth out differently for men and women? Submission worked in two directions to expedite the US out of the Vietnam War when we were going in the wrong direction. The draftees had had enough of that stupid war.

[@10Sethg]

Bro, Voddie literally just went over the scripture and explained it clearly. The scripture doesn't say that wives aren't allowed to have opinions or they are not allowed to influence their husbands. It says they are to submit to their husbands. The husband will stand before God and give an account of his marriage in a way that the wife won't. The husband is called to lead well and in and understanding way and the wife is tasked with submitting to that leadership. Anything less is sin.

[@robertdouglas8895]

@@10Sethg If both are listening to the Holy Spirit, there will be no difference of opinion. The submission is to God, not a human.

[@10Sethg]

@@robertdouglas8895 If what you are saying is true then there was no need to write 95% of the new testament because the apostles and churches all had the Holy spirit and there would have been no difference of opinion. But the apostles did write to the churches about many things including instruction on relationships between wives and husbands, servants and masters, children and parents. Are you married? If so, it will be no surprise to you that your wife and you will have different opinions on almost everything. I would also make a distinction between moral matters and matters of opinion. I doubt that 2 Christians married to each other are going to come to different conclusions on adultery or murder. You could have different opinions on which church to go to, what to wear to church, how to teach your kids, where to eat, etc...Situations where you don't choose between right and wrong but between 2 different options. In those cases, the husband makes the final decision because that is the way God designed marriage.

[@robertdouglas8895]

@@10Sethg When you decide that you will differ on everything, then you will. Ask and you shall receive.

[@93Wande]

​@@robertdouglas8895But why would you intentionally decide that?

[@D1900fas]

Paul received a teaching from Jesus about women needing to cover their heads during prayer and worship. He concluded that the church had No Other practice. The true church of God, women wear veils. Its not debatable. Men must remove head coverings when praying or worship. But y'all hold to man made, even pagan traditions rather than holding to biblical teaching

[@D1900fas]

1 Corinthians 11

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@D1900fas you received this teaching from pastors. You do better at convincing others by not giving people an excuse to label you a nutter

[@D1900fas]

@cosmictreason2242 This teaching about veils comes from the Bible. Your word means less than nothing and your name calling proves it 😅

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@D1900fas I'm not disagreeing. Im pointing out that your aggression has the opposite effect than persuading people. Last sentence was unnecessary in your original comment

[@marylaber7268]

The music is awful.

[@gfbc1689]

You are always welcome to listen to the original. You can find it in the description.

[@jjj0026]

In 2024, submission ain’t happening preachers.

[@raymoss706]

Yes, it does, but you have to rationalize an apology since the morality of secular humanism long has surpassed the immorality in the Bible.

[@scase1023]

Moral secular humanism? Now if that isn’t the biggest oxymoron I’ve ever heard.

[@raymoss706]

@@scase1023 The most obvious is slavery. There isn't a single passage in the Bible that tells you owning slaves is wrong. There isn't a single passage in the Bible that tells you women are equal to men and should not be treated like property. There is n't a passage in the Bible that sets an age of consent. There's more, but it has to be obvious to anyone who is not blinded by dogma, than morality standards have greatly evolved since the bronze age.

[@scase1023]

@@raymoss706 well you are incorrect. I can point you to numerous scriptures that are anti-slavery (which is why the American abolitionists were Christians) and for the equality of all. “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus” Galatians 3:28 But you’re missing my point. As a secular humanist, what is morality? More specifically, if you are the result of random chance in the universe, how could you convince me that anything is right or wrong? You can’t, because there is no morality. Your statement conflicts with your worldview, which is why all atheists who claim moral virtue are unwittingly hypocritical. If secular atheistic humanism is true, then Hitler slaughtering millions is no different then you stepping on a bug. Neither are “wrong”, because there is no “wrong”.

[@raymoss706]

@@scase1023 Galatians 3:28 does not command men to treat women as equals or not treat them like property. It says that in the eyes of Jesus, all are one. In the eyes of secular humanism, morality is simply standards of behavior, agreed upon by societies. Is that simple. There is no need for some imaginary entity to tell us how to behave. And yes, there is "right" and "wrong" in secular humanism. And there is Hitler... who BTW was Christian... that's frankly a stupid claim, and very faulty logic.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@raymoss706 the Bible forbids impressment. America 3200 years later had impressment. This is the superior morality?

[@rochellecaffee1417]

Voddie, “you keep using THAT word, ‘submission’, but i don’t think it means WHAT you think it means…”

[@miazanchen5892]

It means EXACTLY as he is teaching don’t stop with submission … you’re focusing on that word too much! I love when it tells men to treat their wives as Christ loved the Church … that is a much heavier load to carry!

[@j.p.5716]

I will tell you exactly what it means. It comes from the Greek word "Hupotasso" that means "rank under" and here is the definition from: Strong's Concordance Original Word: ὑποτάσσω Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: hupotassó Phonetic Spelling: (hoop-ot-as'-so) Definition: to place or rank under, to subject, to obey Usage: I place under, subject to; I submit, put myself into subjection. It does not get more literal that this. Wives are to consider themselves to be a lower rank (think military) than their husbands and to treat them accordingly. How does a junior officer treat a senior officer? With the utmost respect and complete obedience.

[@lonewolf18650]

Whos dominant men or women well men havent dominated women in along time if men cant assert dominance are they really dominant

[@Berean_with_a_BTh]

Scripture calls for wives to submit to their husbands not for husbands to dominate their wives. Fundamental difference.

[@OrangeMonkey2112]

Evangelical feminist lol what an oxymoron lol

[@wPOTH1]

So, should conjoined twins be murdered or put behind glass, Pastor and those who giggled?!

[@ekoopasetapart3933]

This guy is bogus.... Women submit to your husband's as you do GOD!!!! You modern fake preachers are teaching blasphemy!!!

[@karinteeples9715]

He teaches this!! Did you listen?🤔

[@churchofchristministriesin5810]

Please read the bible

[@rhhamlin08]

It's mutual submission among spouses and 1st submission to God. The Greek translation is different than the English.

[@lapassurs5383]

That was offensive of finding someone with two heads to kill it. There are twins born this way and they are not monsters.

[@musiclover2.06]

You know that’s NOT what he was talking about; don’t even go there 🙄🙄

[@93Wande]

That's not a being with two heads. It's conjoined twins, meaning two people that should have been separate by all laws of nature but are not. You know this, so why do you choose to find offence where there is none?

[@lapassurs5383]

@@93Wande hmmm…you presume to know what I know. That’s equally offensive. If you wanted to point something out you have every right to do so but you can’t presume what I know. I also have a right to my opinion.

[@93Wande]

@lapassurs5383 I didn't presume anything 😂 You literally stated "twins born this way" when you said finding something with two heads to kill. I responded to what YOU said, not what i presumed. And seriously, will you find everything offensive at the end of the day? The word is beginning to lose its meaning with your overuse. Reread your initial comment. Nothing I said was out of scope.

[@kimm.8224]

​@@93Wande You are correct. It's a poor analogy.

[@luziela.dugart6987]

Sorry but a lot of men use the scriptures to mistreat the wife ( aka she is the slave) she raise the kids alone, she does all the household shores alone, she does everything with the kids alone, and the husband is a tyrant she carry everything for the kids, and he never helps at all in the Bible said husband love your wife and sacrifice yourself ( in the same way Christ do for the church) but husband don’t care to be emotional available, or show any care for their wife so pastors need to start teaching men that both are one flesh it means the husband responsibility to show love and compassion for his wife, the most mistreated are pastors wife ( many of them get hit by their husbands) but she can’t complain because he is a pastor

[@kardiognostesministries8150]

No excuse to defy what the Bible commands.

[@kimm.8224]

​@@kardiognostesministries8150 That applies to BOTH men and women.

[@kardiognostesministries8150]

@@kimm.8224 No, it doesn't. The wife is to fear (φοβῆται) her husband (Ephesians 5:33). This is never commanded of the husband in reference to his wife.

[@kimm.8224]

@@kardiognostesministries8150 You said there is no excuse to defy what the Bible commands. I agree with that. Likewise, husbands have no excuse to defy what the Bible commands either. And husbands are instructed to love their wives like Christ loved the church and not mistreat their wives.

[@kimm.8224]

@@kardiognostesministries8150 So are you trying to say that abusive, neglectful husbands have an excuse to defy the word of God and hate, mistreat, neglect and abusive their wives? That's not Biblical. I agree that there is no excuse to defy what the Bible commands. That applies to BOTH men and women. Men are not exempt from obeying what the Bible commands for husbands.

[@graphguy]

Great admiration for Voddie, But at least up until 1 minute he is misleading you. ...Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ; 21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God. 22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as iChrist is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. 29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. 33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so ylove his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband The Holy Bible: King James Version, Electronic Edition of the 1900 Authorized Version. (Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 2009), Eph 5:20-33.

[@j.p.5716]

You are misleading yourself.

[@bobbyadkins6983]

There are simese twins that share the same body. He needs to be careful what he says. That needs to be edited out of the video.

[@mpclepto182]

No, I think he was saying we should charge money to see them!

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@bobbyadkins6983 those are not one person with two heads. They are two people

[@ladyalaya]

He should have thought that idea through a little more. Siamese twins are a beautiful example of the Bride of Christ. Two heads sharing a body, both living in a continuous state of loving, sacrificial submission to one another. The must do this to ensure their survival and overall happiness. The Bible does say a man shall leave is father and mother and cleave to his wife, and the two shall become ONE flesh. Also, that a man must love his wife as he does his own body, because they actually share a body, for both are the Bride (Body) of Christ. If he hurts her he hurts himself and vice versa. If he submits to her needs and wants, if it will not hurt the body, he submits to himself. She should do like wise. This is how to have a healthy body (marriage).

[@cosmictreason2242]

@ siamese twins are not husband and wife

[@lokpikr999]

These were the words of Paul (not the Gospel of Jesus Christ) and should be seen as nothing more than a relic of a time when women did not have equal rights.

[@yerierkysuarez1004]

All the scripture is the word of God 2 tim 3:16

[@n9wff]

Then throw the Bible away. The epistles and Acts of the Apostles are nothing more than words and their writings hold no bearing, according to you. Since Paul went out to the Gentiles, his words are vain. Hope you're a Jew. Plus, Jesus spoke to the Jews first. Leaves the Gentiles hanging on nothing because Jesus did not go out among the Gentiles. Lastly, Jesus preceeded Paul. He said nothing of the six million slaves in the Roman Empire, said nothing of the gays, nothing against the ruthless government.

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

Paul unequivocally stated in 1 Cor. 14 that the commands ultimately come from God. So yes, it is the gospel of Christ because there is a government involved. Christ preached the Kingdom of God(Mar. 1:14), and every kingdom has a government and a set of laws. God's Kingdom is no different. Contrary to what "Christianity" thinks, the fake messages that are centered around Christ is NOT the gospel He preached!

[@nicholasgibson6438]

Galatians 1 11-24 Paul did not publish his opinion but his words were the teachings from Christ himself.... I suggest you read and study the scripture to show yourself approved

[@SeanShineYouth]

This is maybe the worst exegesis of the Greek language I’ve ever heard Voddie do. And it shows me He and many of those he runs with will cling to their traditional interpretations even when confronted with sound translation of the Greek language. Go ahead, throw it out, you’ll find yourself without footing to stand on the next time you go to use the same language to defend your own positions. The closed-mindedness has reached serious silliness levels

[@n9wff]

Why don't you teach everybody the "right way" since you are the expert on the Koines Greek langauge?

[@93Wande]

How? Please explain

[@SeanShineYouth]

Great! The grammatical structure is called Ellipsis. It's a common part of almost any language and the correct methodical translation of one language into another. The FACT is that the verb IS borrowed from the verse before. He glosses over this and does nothing to explain why Paul would phrase it this way. He simply says "military term so in MY understanding of the military it can't be both ways". But Greek words often have multiple contexts. He simply focused on the military one because it confirmed his already entrenched position. At the very least Humility would say "look there is some grammatical evidence for what this other group saying, I just can't land in the same place because given the information I see, I come to a different conclusion". Instead we get "NOPE MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY". Debate or disagreement on the nuances of scripture and the original languages isn't a problem for me, it's "my interpretation is the only one" in those particular cases where the Bible doesn't give us that level of precision... and Voddie is a great teacher sometimes, but this isn't a strong argument in it's substance. And let me be clear, I don't hate Voddie or the group he most commonly associates with, but just as vehemently as he takes issue with particular things, when I see scriptural evidence that takes a different position than Voddie, I'll be equally as loving but vehement in my disagreement with his position -- bc it is just that, his position, and just because Voddie says it, does not equate it with God's word. Not everybody seems to realize that. if you agree with him, by all means do what you believe is right before the Lord, but don't demonize folks who have a scriptural basis for a different practice. @@n9wff​

[@n9wff]

@@SeanShineYouth What is YOUR interpretation of these verses? First, translating from one language to another is no perfect art. Second, none of us were there when Paul wrote his epistles. Thus, the "best" way to make these translations from one language to another is to hope to understand the author. We can try but can we convey his spirit at the very time of his writings? Maybe but we can at least attempt to do so. I don't believe we can perfect this art. Bias will play a part in it as well. As long as someone finds ways to even slightly change or add to a word's definition, all mankind does is bring a little more confusion. Bible translations are doing that in our age. We do have to try to find what is the correct interpretation of the Word of God, even as many will say "my interpretation." Doctrine tends to persuade believers as well. I blame seminaries for this bias in their teachings. My two cents.

[@SeanShineYouth]

You're right on with the seminary thing, but I think if we're honest all of us have some kind of bias. The question is whether we've examined it in light of scripture, been willing to let the Bible change us, and if we come to different position on interpreting scripture we should attempt to be as objective and gracious as possible, and honor those who have different interpretations as long as they've actually done their homework to back it up. I realize that this can be mis-perceived as me making allowance for "anything goes" but that's really not what I mean. This isn't always the case, but most often it's apparent when someone's goal is to "entrench" their view or twist scripture to fit their view...This is different (and often in observable ways) than someone who has genuinely studied the scripture and come to a different conclusion based on objective observations of original languages or context. To me, I can honor and appreciate the latter as brothers and sisters who I disagree with and not "false prophets". I rarely see the same grace from folks who run in Voddies crew, and to hear him speak so dismissively of a valid Biblical study of the original language without offering a substantive alternative to why the Greek grammar is constructed the way it factually is, and simultaneously not offer the gracious humility of saying "I can see why they might interpret it this way but I ultimately disagree" is disappointing... that's really what I'm getting at. Grace to you by the way. My issue is with the content and disappointment with the lack of Grace I see, more than picking a fight with anybody! @@n9wff

[@kathleenwharton2139]

JESUS Teaches No Such Thing. That is a Paul teaching. Why don’t you people follow Jesus? 😊❤

[@CarmenCastille]

😂😂😂😂🤡 you obviously don't know what either of them say faker

[@kathleenwharton2139]

@@CarmenCastille You mean..it is obvious you don’t know what either of them said..faker!

[@kardiognostesministries8150]

And Peter (1 Peter 3).

[@kathleenwharton2139]

@@kardiognostesministries8150 Sorry..I submit to NoOne but Jesus. I will submit to No Man. That is breaking the first and second commandments of God.

[@kardiognostesministries8150]

@@kathleenwharton2139 And yet God commands the wife to submit to her husband (Ephesians 5:24). Thus, you do not submit to Jesus because He loves what Ephesians 5:24 teaches. You don't need to tell me you are sorry. Tell that to God in that you defy what He has commanded.

[@deanhorrell8336]

AMEN!

[@matthewkloskowski6991]

Please stop with the music

[@gfbc1689]

You are always welcome to listen to the original. You can find it in the description.

[@KendrasEdge757]

Amen!!