Gforce Seat and Motion Rig by SYMDECK

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Thanks to SymDeck for the demo and for holding my camera :) Gseats are really interesting and I think something that has yet to be fully capitalised on within the field of motion simulation.

[@tradesman1000]

Combined with VR and tuned nicely, motion seats/rigs make all the difference in my opinion . My lap times and consistency have improved greatly since I installed my motion seat.

[@johnnycage3673]

I was interested until I saw the price ..................... 😨 It's about time LIDL and ALDI start selling DD Wheels and sim rigs.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

They would be the best for sure

[@jonboy2950]

This looks pretty good, to find a motion rig that would suit someone living in the UK where the neighbours are close would be ideal.

[@kingcarrot6355]

I loved the humble bragging about the groin tightness :D

[@Simlife101]

love the pause after the groin comment 😂 Thanks for the heads up on this rig, may pop down and try one as it's not far from Brum. 👌

[@Leynad778]

I don't know why active belt tensioners are not available for purchase. There are DIY-solutions for about 150 bucks. It's not like Lego or IKEA, but doesn't look difficult to build either.

[@waterbottlettv]

3:00 subtle flex but ok

[@randomcallsign]

That looks good

[@olivert.7192]

aye GM trying to show off with a huge groin saying the belt could be looser.

[@2Old4Forza]

crazy they had a belt system for the groin...perhaps taking immersion too far. or a cheap form of contraception. you decide!

[@2ndLastJedi]

4:14 lol, you making a freaking milkshake or something here. You certainly make some extreme wheel movements :p imma have to re install pC2 (for the 10th time) and try that Ginetta again just to see my movements, lol got me interested, I'm interested in the product your showing, but I'm a poor criminal that was deported from your home land way back in 1788, lol

[@funbro99]

Now we just slap this into fps mecha games and or warthunder jet gameplay

[@jogb9515]

This is confusing, I don't think Symdeck makes the G-seat, they make the base, the G-seat is made by another company.

[@Gubbjaevel]

Wow Console ready👍🤘

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Console ready just means it works from pedal input rather than from Telemetry :( still better than nothing I guess.

[@Sadorath]

Does Symdek make one for flight

[@TheSimChannel]

Lady viewers, listen up about the belt fit in the groin region! ;-)

[@gelfie2208]

sounds like some kind of terrible infection to me. You should get that drained.

[@909elle]

just subscribed to your youtube channel ,thanx for all the in debt revues .i have a question i have a G 29 set up for the play station 4 GRAND TOURISM SPORT id would like to add the FANATEC CSL PEDALS with the load cell ,will they work with the g29 steering wheel ?thank you .

[@SimManiac]

Nice video bud. Was at ASI on Thursday covering our BTCC announcement and saw these guys. Both rigs looked mega and I wish I'd had the time to jump on for a go. I saw some rigs around ASI still running the first project cars so stayed well clear ;) James, you've got my email - drop us a message if you read this as you mentioned on your live stream over xmas you'd be interested in teaming up in some capacity and I think we've got the perfect thing for it.

[@LeeFall]

3 Grand for a seat! Jeez

[@Bentler]

Not just a seat though. You will be hard pressed to find many motion sims cheaper than 3k. Most sims start at 15k and go up to 100k. Only in the past 5 years or so have motion sims got down into the sub 10k range.

[@chedhead3278]

Cheers GM, very nice indeed. Need the lottery numbers though, *sigh*.

[@FilingAccount]

I wan... 3 grand. oh, never mind then.

[@payman.amini1]

The seat seems interesting but any motion platform with the pivot point under the head gives you a lot of wrong g-force and senses, that's what science says. A decent motion platform should have it's pivot point above the head and should have very very low latency and it will be really expensive. The next best option is a seat mover with very low latency but limited movement. It is usually cheaper than these cheap frame motion platforms and they are much more responsive. Simxperience seat movers are nice options and (if) you can build a DIY seat mover with less lag for the same money.

[@symdeckracingsimulators]

Interesting but completely wrong. When you turn a corner the pivot point of the suspension is level with the centre of gravity of the vehicle, not above your head. Are you saying a car turning swings out as if it is a cable car in the wind? When you go up hill or down hill, the centre of rotation is relative to the longitudinal radius of the road and as the driver generally sits in the middle of the vehicle it is generally above the driver as you transition to go up hill or below you transitioning to going down hill. No simulator has dynamic centres of rotation. How is a seat mover any different with the pivot being under your head apart from the fact you feel as if your driving a very bad 'cut and shut' where the seat is moving yet the pedals and wheel aren't? Also, please note, any motion platforms which have 2, 3 or 4 actuators pointing directly upwards cannot replicate surge or sway, they just tip the driver overcompensating the suspension softness. We only use pitch and roll to replicate the natural inclination of the surface being driven on or the softness of the suspension, the platform has surge as a linear motion and traction loss where it pivots at the front and the whole rig swings from the rear. I would suggest you try it before commenting and recommending an alternative product.

[@payman.amini1]

@@symdeckracingsimulators We perceive movements and g-forces through: 1. Our inner ear via vestibular system. With motion simulators like your motion platfor with the pivot point under the head what the user initially feels (when the platform starts to move or change the direction) is totally wrong and becomes true just when the platform stops. I give you an example; imagine your car inside the simulator is stationary, now you push the accelerator pedal and car starts to accelerate. This motion platform will start to tilt back and as the result your head will accelerate and move backward (but in a real car your head moves forward just like the car do). This is when your inner ear and your brain feels you are decelerating instead of accelerating, exactly the opposite of what it should be. But when the platform (for example) reaches it's limit, it stops and your head no longer moves, now a fraction of gravity is pulling you backward and just now you can feel the right force. It is exactly the same for every other movement. Seat movers are pretty much the same but as I said the movement should be very limited. 2. The second way that our body feels movements and g-forces is through proprioceptors which are receptors located in muscles, tendons and joints. For example when you turn left in your real car, your body leans right and you can feel it by your muscles, tendons and joints. Again in your motion platform whe you turn left in the simulator the motion platform moves and accelerate to the right. Now your body will tilt (just a little) to the left which is totally wrong again, until the motion platform decelerates or stops. But in a seat mover you feel the right pulls and pushes in your muscles, tendons and joints from the begining without the wrong ones. AND another advantage of seat movers is they can have low lag and fast response time without being super expensive, because they have to move much lower mass compared to full chassis movers. AND in fact hexapod motion platforms don't have a real physical pivot point and is comletely controled by the software. But they have to move a lot of mass and to be fast and responsive they should use very big actuators with powerful servo motors like CrudenSimulators (which a lot of real racing teams use). So they are huge, heavy and very expensive. Or better yet they could be built by direct drive linear motors and be even more expensive. AND I'm not affiliated with Simxperience. I just suggested it because it uses SCN5 actuators which are very good for their price and an industry standard for that matter. You can build DIY seat movers or buy any other seat mover with SCN5. It is more responsive than somthing like Next Level Racing V3. Or better yet we can build better DIY seat movers ourselves.

[@symdeckracingsimulators]

@@payman.amini1 While you are correct in your explanation of how motion is perceived, you are wrong about how we try to simulate it and are commenting as if you've tried our product? You have obviously not tried it or read/understood my response to your first comment which explains how it moves and now you have written even more trying to justify your first comments. You must now surely feel like a complete idiot.

[@payman.amini1]

@@symdeckracingsimulators Are you trying to simulate the suspension movements of the car statically to see and evaluate how the simulator is working or you want to simulate the forces that applies to the driver to a degree and somhow simulate that feeling? If the answer is the latter then YOU FAILED. Does your simulator behave any different than what I explained about the full chassis motion platform? If your answer is yes then explain how does your motion simulator always exert the right forces and how does it work against the science? Magic?

[@symdeckracingsimulators]

@@payman.amini1 Here we go again, you criticising something you've never tried and even though I've already explained how it works you are telling me I'm wrong yet you completely miss the point. Virtually EVERYONE who's actually tried it, including many racing drivers tell us it's the best they've tried. GamerMuscle even quite likes it. Have you watched the video?

[@djsquibby]

Looks a fun bit of kit ;)

[@idventure6036]

I don't understand the homepage. So how much is the rig without all the stuff simracer already have?

[@symdeckracingsimulators]

Just rebuilding the web site and it's a bit messy at the moment :/ The deck is £6899 and the seat is £2499 + VAT

[@symdeckracingsimulators]

@Randy BoBandy1234 The deck never made it to production and was replaced by a modular system. The 3 products together to replace the 4 DOFs that offered now cost £5685. The seat was dropped and now 2 years later the new version is £1795. I guess though however cheap we make them you will never be satisfied.

[@Gubbjaevel]

How much ?

[@RealWitblitz]

GM 2020, Project Motion Rig

[@benjiebarker]

I don’t see any reviews…is this not a good simulator, or is it because its too exoensive?

[@lukezoide]

@3:02 ...Hold for laughter...

[@treerexaudi]

epicoooo

[@DhruvPaliwal]

what game is he playing?

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

It was project cars 2

[@RUINERS]

Nooo! Stop making me buy expensive things

[@PauloRicardo-pp4ml]

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