Fire Emblem Elitists

[@Faerghast]

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[@zenronez1158]

Is Laslow a Ogma in conquest ?

[@johnathanedwards9054]

@@zenronez1158 Kinda

[@MrGksarathy]

Constance is literally a temporarily embarrassed millionaire. She even calls herself a "temporarily embarrassed noble" in her C-Support with Byleth. Honestly, I pity people with a mindset like that IRL, and I find it an obstacle to social change. Also, I feel Linhardt, despite not caring for the pageantry or responsibility of nobility, embodies another aspect of noble privilege by his freedom to delve into academic study in a way most non-nobles cannot, and I think he knows it. Forgot to say this, but Oliver is so divorced from reality, I can't even call him evil, let alone a garden-variety elitist.

[@wildfiresnap]

Let’s be honest I can’t be the only one who came into this expecting a video on elitism in the fanbase rather than in the actual characters and games lol

[@megamanzero29]

Given the title that was my first thought when clicking on this video

[@1wayroad935]

"My virtual toy is better than your virtual toy!"

[@calebricks4890]

Same here.

[@kindhri]

the recent community post made me think we were getting a video on royals, then the intro and title made me think it was about the fanbase only to realize it was about royals all along

[@diegocorral8787]

The community post made me thought this video was going to be about the snobbiest of nobles.

[@allenwalker4703]

Pleasantly surprised that this was about the characters and not the fanbase. Interesting take.

[@V-Jes]

*Interesting maneuver.

[@bluntlyhonest6803]

I hear the word 'Elitist' thrown around in video game communities a lot, but i've never really understood it's meaning. Does it refer to some players Simply being better at set videogame and acting like jerks because of it? Or the ones who Believe the Old titles of Set videogame series is better than the new?

[@V-Jes]

@@bluntlyhonest6803 It overall means people who act like jerks and/or like they are superior to those who are new to the series and/or has only played the "mainstream" games (basically only those games that have sold over 2M units like Awakening, Fates, 3H and/or Heroes).

[@AmonsRealm]

@@V-Jes fire emblem also has a lot of tryhards in the community. If u don’t play the hardest difficulty plus classic mode you are not really playing the game.

[@bluntlyhonest6803]

@@V-Jes Gotcha. I was worried that i might be defined as an elitist since I started playing the Older games before the Newer titles. But i didn't start playing like back in "The good ol' days". i only got into FE 2 years ago :P (FE6 Onward)

[@moltz4866]

I really dig how Ferdinand from 3Hs is the very literal definition of aristocracy, in the sense he aspires to be the best because he honestly believes the nobles should be the mode role for the people. Hence why he's disgusted of the most questionable and shady nobles the game has (most notably his dad) while also claiming how there's nothing "noble" about them. He also gets some points from me for advocating free education in Edelgard's route too.

[@TheRealJims]

This video kinda crystalized why I enjoy Ferdinand so much as a character. Because he's super pompous and full of himself like a lot of nobles. But he has this streak of thoughtfulness to him. Where he'll reconsider stuff when explicitly called out, or disagree with people like Lorenz or Edelgard on how to rule. They did a really nice job making him more three dimensional than you'd expect of this archetype. Adding a smidge or vulnerability or thoughtfulness goes a long way for these nobles characters. The same could be said for Lorenz too, but Ferdinand is a more balanced character, imo.

[@therealkenny6]

Lorenz only begins acting like that post time-skip whereas Ferdinand acts like that from the beginning, which from an objective standpoint makes Ferdinand the better character.

[@rhymeswithmoose228]

Hmph. I SUPPOSE I will comment on this video to show engagement. I prefer to distance myself from such PEDESTRIAN videos, but I have no choice in the matter, this time.

[@fe_fanby2278]

Ugh! What NOBLE do you think you are commenting where the COMMONERS are supposed to?

[@johnathanedwards9054]

@@fe_fanby2278 😄

[@rhymeswithmoose228]

@@fe_fanby2278 I'm afraid I was coerced by those DREADFUL, BOORISH peasants. Those COWHANDS seem to have experience with such matters. Clearly due to some unsavory job they do to buy gruel...

[@johnathanedwards9054]

@@rhymeswithmoose228 Hey the common people are uprising right outside your door, and you deserve what happens next

[@rhymeswithmoose228]

@@johnathanedwards9054 You uneducated peasant! I've already left!

[@Arkholt2]

I'm also reminded of Bernadetta. She's not elitist, but her pathology stems from her elitist father abusing and forcing her to be a good wife to a noble.

[@johnathanedwards9054]

Is it wrong that I wish that we could have killed Count Varley in the game?

[@irmatrubura4620]

@@johnathanedwards9054 honestly who didn't?

[@michaelcabangbang]

Lorewise all that was just so she can marry Ferdinand von Aegir

[@rhymeswithmoose228]

@@irmatrubura4620 I paired her and Hubert up. I'm pretty sure he killled/helped her kill him in their paired ending. Canon

[@Arkholt2]

@@johnathanedwards9054 No, I think most people who played the game share the same wish

[@koook160]

One thing I noticed about Three Houses in terms of the nobility: The Kingdom’s nobles seem to go on a “don’t flaunt it” policy when it comes to their privilege. They don’t brag about their status like Lorenz or Ferdinand, nor hold pompous sentiments about “a noble’s duty”. It shows the cultural difference between the three regions. The dynamic is similar to how the north was portrayed in Game of Thrones/A Song of Ice and Fire.

[@joshuagabrielcatindig7607]

It's on an "only-when-asked" basis.

[@namoma4922]

there s also the fact that 3 house cast is mostly noble:out of the commoners/commoners at heart Ashe doesn't feel like a noble due to being saved by lonato Dorothea had to work hard and get some noble "favors" to get there leonie is indebted to her entire village Raphael and ignatz are sons of rich merchants(raph is arguably more impoverished but he still has his grandpa and I assume his parents heritage, he just is conscious it can hold out forever) Dedue situation is one of it's own The assumption is that you're at least a minor nobility/knight son. You see commoners still but they are exceptions that confirms the rule

[@l.n.3372]

People also seem to forget that the Kingdom has a mixture of nobles who place an emphasis on crests vs nobles who don't really care about crests. Sylvain and Ingrid's families obviously care a lot about crests. Dimitri's family, the royal family, only allows crest heirs to ascend the throne, hence why Dimitri's uncle got skipped over in favor of Lambert the younger brother. Yet, neither Rodrigue nor Gilbert really seem to care about crests at all. Felix and Annette have issues with their fathers, but NOT about crests. Neither Felix nor Annette seems to deal with families who care much about the crest system.

[@goatmaia]

We are ALL Ferdinand Von Aegir

[@RhysticTutor1]

I beg to differ...

[@maskedman1527]

We all are indeed!

[@aquaticasmr184]

Ty for this 🤣🤣🤣

[@byronvonedmund]

Um... Objection?

[@johnathanedwards9054]

@@byronvonedmund Overruled

[@MinkDaddy]

Growing up my sisters loved to watch British dramas like "Pride and Prejudice" and "Sense and Sensibility." Lukas always reminded me of the kind, dashing and good noblemen who gets the girl in the end of those kinds of movies.

[@toriwork8891]

You're not wrong. Lukas is top-tier husbando material and has legions of fangirls.

[@johnathanedwards9054]

@@toriwork8891 I can confirm because my brother dates one

[@CometX-ing]

I like the noble trope that characters like Maribelle, Clair and Ferdinand and honestly more so than other characters at times.

[@sonicbrawler182]

I don't think Clair had a negative view of commoners at all, just that she had a simplified vision of what their lives comprised of, which is the result of her peers and elders feeding her that oversimplified picture. In actuality, it's implied Clair actually liked the sound of that oversimplified lifestyle anyway, judging by her tone of voice when talking to Alm. She's just confused when she finds out things are more nuanced than she was lead to believe, but is open-minded and curious enough to want to know more about the commoner lifestyle and to be more respectful. She doesn't strike me as an elitist, but just "happens to be born and raised in an elite family". Her actual attitude towards commoners isn't negative nor does she see herself as inherently better than them. Even in her backstory via supports and Memory Prisms, it's revealed that Clair was expected to be a prim and proper lady who would go to tea parties with other ladies to find a suitor, but she was far more interested in hanging out with and playing with Cilve and Fernand as kids, and eventually wanted to become a knight like Clive. From the very outset, Clair was an oddball among the noble ladies, which plants the seeds for her genuine interest in the common folk lifestyle. She also spends a good chunk of the game crushing on Alm even before it's revealed he is a noble himself, and she doesn't stop crushing on him after the reveal, indicating its not just some commoner fetishism either. She liked Alm as an individual, which is far different to the attitude of other nobles, even Clive (who didn't recognise Delthea as an individual worth saving due to her status). This all culminates in her eventually settling down with Gray, an actual commoner. She initially got off on the wrong foot with Gray, but that was because Gray ironically did to her what you would expect a noble to do to a commoner, and generalised her at first. He treated her as "just another pretty noble", as well as another woman he could try to court without really paying mind to her individuality, which she calls him out on and he learns from. Her over the top reaction is in part because of her heartbreak regarding Alm, which she owns up to, but she was right to call Gray out. Clair is probably my favourite character in SoV (a game full of favourites for me), and her deceptively nuanced character is a large part of why.

[@joshuagabrielcatindig7607]

Just like Louise, who preferred to prove herself with her archery skills than the more common lady-like talents.

[@waterking74]

3:24 wow even the ost didn’t like berkuts speech to a point it tried to tune him out

[@jonahj9519]

God I didn’t realize how mean the game is to Ilios in his ending. Guy just can’t catch a break. No one recruits him because you have to kill Olwen to do so, and when you do he just gets a real shitty ending.

[@floricel_112]

7:15 I wouldn't say "negative", more like "ignorant". She had those assumptions because she wasn't knowledgeable about their way of life, not because she viewed them in a negative light, and the way she asked Alm about how the common folk lived came from a place of childlike curiosity

[@CodeMarbles]

hah, got eem.

[@shinigamimiroku3723]

A fair comparison. There's no universal way to approach this particular subject in the FE series, despite the fact that archetypes are definitely used to the point of exhaustion. I'm surprised you didn't include Serra, who acts like a noble despite the fact that she's (almost certainly) a commoner orphan, because she believes wholeheartedly that she's a noble by birth who had to be put in an orphanage because her family fell on hard times. She's probably one of the more interesting takes on this particular topic.

[@joshuagabrielcatindig7607]

I was wondering if she counts, since her origins were never underlined...perhaps she wasn't included due to her being abandoned.

[@shinigamimiroku3723]

@@joshuagabrielcatindig7607 It's entirely possible.

[@dantedemitrov9389]

Ngl i thought this was gonna address the playerbase

[@Kryptnyt]

We got baited dude

[@dantedemitrov9389]

@@Kryptnyt but any Ghast content is great content

[@joshuagabrielcatindig7607]

That's more of Mekkah's department, via Pitfalls.

[@tyaty]

@@joshuagabrielcatindig7607 Pitfalls also unwittingly promote elitism.

[@joshuagabrielcatindig7607]

@@tyaty no hate, but how exactly?

[@MackSaysWhat_]

Keep up the good work, Ghast! At this rate, you’re bound to become the definitive Fire Emblem KZbinr for a lot of people, and I can’t wait. It’ll really help bring Fire Emblem out of its current ultra-niche part of KZbin. Patiently but excitedly waiting for the next upload!

[@dictatorvert2491]

I know this isn't about the player base, but can't believe Awakening players aren't really "babies" anymore

[@dirichlettt]

CYL was so weird this year because Awakening fans started showing traits of elitism and that just threw me for a loop

[@dictatorvert2491]

@@dirichlettt Obviously everyone likes theyr favorite entry in FE, but overwhelming Chrom support was surprising definitely

[@llw1508]

I remember being called an Awakening Baby back in 2013-2014 and It's really jarring knowing I'm no longer considered a newbie to the series.

[@disgraceddairy1282]

@@dirichlettt i mean, i think it's fair to be upset your favorite pick was displaced by what could easily be interpreted as a gag character. but that doesn't excuse hostility

[@ivanbluecool]

Well awakening fans are from a long time but they are strong in who they like. Remember when everyone was overhyping camilia winning for the second time in the gauntlet so the quiet tharja fans including me came in and won as everyone was focused on taking down camilia. That was a sight to see. Chrom also gets looked down on at times like smash Bros making fun of him before adding him later or something as well as warriors making him the poster child so chrom definitely earned him fan base.

[@kingbeerz7978]

So Ferdinand is my favourite Student in Three Houses, so like 4th favourite character in the game overall XD, but the most important thing to remember about Ferdinand is that almost every time he says 'Noble' he is talking about spirit and deed, not bloodline. He strives to be a noble person and to uphold noble ideals. The whole reason he constantly challenges Edelgard is not due to ego but because he believes any leader worth their salt needs a person who can compete with them and tell them when they're making a mistake. I find it super weird that he doesn't auto leave the Empire after time skip because of this, but then again I think it's implied that Edelgard takes away basically all his power and freedom on most routes, so maybe he tried to dissent and she shut him down because she's not interested in counter arguments. Anyway, he may have a tendency to put his foot in his mouth at times, but I find him to overall be one of the most genuinely caring and well meaning characters in the game. I feel like it's easy to look at him and say 'oh he's super arrogant' but the more I read into his supports the less that seems to be true, he holds a deep and genuine admiration and respect for his peers and teachers regardless of their status and really doesn't fall into arrogant thinking too often. I just wanted to share my thoughts, since I think it's pretty easy to take a shallow look and miss a lot of this character who I really enjoy.

[@awesomesmileyguy]

Exactly. Certain things do go over his head thanks to his outlook on life and nobility (Linhardt's beautiful response to his noble deeds), but never out of spite or thinking he's better than someone (other than maybe Edelgard)

[@kingbeerz7978]

@@awesomesmileyguy I mean though, he is better than Edelgard because she's morally bankrupt, so at least there's grounds there XD

[@johnathanedwards9054]

@@kingbeerz7978 I just think Edelgard is morally grey. She has good intentions but poor execution, still wouldn't side with her though

[@kingbeerz7978]

@@johnathanedwards9054 She came off that way in Azure Moon and Verdant Wind, and seemed like a really good antagonist because of it. Then I played Crimson Flower and her motivations became super wonky and inconsistent, so it kind of ruined her for me. She really wasn't written to be a protagonist, just kind of ruined her.

[@johnathanedwards9054]

@@kingbeerz7978 I thought the same, and then I looked at how Rhea acted in the academy phase and I began to see the similarities between the two and they both were great antagonists in their respective stories

[@VirgosCostaaCosta]

The people who hate Lorenz fall into three categories: 1_ People who didn't do ANY of his supports. 2_ Hair stylists. 3_ Joe Zieja.

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

This aged poorly since he ended up liking him lol

[@Bamboo_bazooka]

i do love the fact that Alm immediately called Clive out on his bullshit shows that even with all of his fancy words and big speeches there are part of him that cloud his judgement

[@floricel_112]

11:15 ...we don't deserve you, Ferdinand

[@michaelcabangbang]

And that's why Ferdie is best boy

[@smallsoul2374]

Clive is probably the best take on a well meaning noble in the entire series, imo. He is *beautifully* realistically handled.

[@toriwork8891]

Clive is underrated.

[@karl-snarks]

This is such a good analysis on why elitist characters pop up so often and why we like certain ones more than others - I love Maribelle because deep down she is a good person but hate Fernand because he just refuses to accept all people have value. Also shout out to Sylvain, my favourite noble who never wanted to be noble. King.

[@insusceptiblez5683]

I thought that "fire emblem elitist" was talking about certain players. Edit: thanks for addressing my misconception, ghast.

[@citrusslimreaper]

Proud of you for this new leap for content creation, my guy. I'm loving the new stuff, can't wait for the next one! Also thank you for showing that phenomenal boss quote Ike has with Oliver in PoR, you're a true man of culture.

[@XellosNi]

Constance: I'm a high class noblewman except I'm GENUINELY FUCKING WEIRD

[@johnathanedwards9054]

The same could be said of every noble in this franchise.

[@manuelfinale9231]

Linhardt effortlessly body-bagging Ferdinand never stops being funny

[@windsweep9162]

God i love hearing lorenz and ferdie bro it out

[@MikulOnIce85]

I'm gonna bring up Virion as one of my favourite examples of this trope, he sounds very frilly and silly in how he speaks but he's fully aware of his own shortcomings and flaws aka his supports with both Robins. He's also an example of someone that tried to make the sacrifice play like emmeryn did, but his actions backfired on him because it hardened the resolve of those that he wanted to protect instead of saving their lives. Thus he was forced to flee in order to save the lives of the people living in his lands.

[@tiny3138]

Berkut has such a sexy voice wtf

[@KMakoENVtuber]

Wait til you hear him scream uncle

[@sugoiboyxl8345]

Ian Sinclair for ya

[@karlauminga6404]

Burkut: Lies! Lies! Lies!

[@johnathanedwards9054]

@@karlauminga6404 No one: Literally no one: Berkut: If I can't have it, then I will kill everyone

[@awesomesmileyguy]

King Dragon sends his regards!

[@Fyl-w3z]

Lukas has been in two ghast vids in a row. Great to see my favorite character to get some representation.

[@Lushy2904]

I’m ok with most of the elitist characters in the franchise, just as long as it isn’t there whole personality and they don’t include it in every sentence they make.

[@GunnGuardian]

Wait I thought this video was going to be about thracia 776 players!

[@joshuagabrielcatindig7607]

Or Kaga cultists in general.

[@johnathanedwards9054]

Get jebaited

[@cricket8875]

I am both relieved and mildly disappointed that this wasn't about the fanbase lol. I'm so tired of the bickering an in-fighting, but I also really enjoy your insightful and considered takes on everything you address, so I genuinely wouldn't mind hearing your opinions on that whole situation. But I also really enjoyed your exploration of the elitist archetype in all its various forms across the series. I feel like I always learn so much from your videos, so thank you for taking the time to make them!

[@unboundsky9999]

Something I think is interesting is how despite the frequency of its usage people generally don’t have a problem with the inclusion of nobility as a story element within Fire Emblem (and to an extent media in general). It kind of goes to show that just because something is commonly seen or “cliche” doesn’t mean it’s inherently bad or boring.

[@mediocreindigo]

I think it would be more interesting if there was a Fire Emblem game that doesn't focus on the royalty or nobility at all. Something that centers around the struggles of commoners and doesn't romanticize the idea of class hierarchy.

[@isaie7144]

Would be a great idea

[@johnathanedwards9054]

I would play that game

[@lantredudax]

The thing here is that it's always about wars, kingdoms falling or expanding, geopolitical situations and all of that needs to include nobility at some point. If the story were to focus on commoners only I guess all nobles would have to be antagonists. Something about a revolution maybe, we can tell a lot of things with that, but the bigger the country is the more likely it is some nobles would join the revolution in hopes to save at least part of what they risk losing if the power shifts.

[@MackSaysWhat_]

I really liked this! Definitely an interesting concept that you don’t see being explored on FEKZbin very often.

[@spyeikzjesus]

This video reminded me once again that echoes was absolutely amazing.

[@floricel_112]

9:00 gosh I love him SO much

[@brandedheretic5849]

Reminds me of Algus, or Argath, from FF Tactics. His family lost all the power they had when Algus' grandfather betrayed a friend for freedom and then got killed by a common squire. Algus' father was the only one to not believe this and soon their House was abandoned, this lead to Algus forming deep contempt to non-nobles and desperately trying to regain his family's reputation back. Dude let his anger get the better of him and he ended up dying to a noble/commoner duo while following orders.

[@DoctorSpacebar]

And then he became a raid boss.

[@Amy_jo_]

I actually find the noble/kind of stuck up characters fun and charming. Like Clair, Virion, Ferdinand von Aegir, and Constance. Also Clair and Gray are cute and I totally ship it

[@Faerghast]

yeah same. the uptight snobby nobles are usually fun to watch

[@Amy_jo_]

@@Faerghast Yes!

[@joshuagabrielcatindig7607]

@@Faerghast does that include Larachel?

[@Vassilinia]

@@joshuagabrielcatindig7607 ESPECIALLY L'Arachel.

[@joshuagabrielcatindig7607]

@@Vassilinia cool character, absolute murder on the battlefield.

[@mobiusloop339]

You're uploading at a breakneck pace, I am thoroughly impressed. Awesome videos.

[@ghostvalkyrie5054]

I really like one conversation that Clair has with Grey, where after a lot of flirting on his part she tells him that he doesn't have the right to decide if he gets her love or not. It's a true and mature statement that shows that behind a lot of regal beliefs and concepts she still tries her best to be a good rational person. It's something I've always liked about her.

[@floricel_112]

4:55 ...she's a little confused, but she's got the spirit. She's also a work in progress

[@gabrielroxas854]

Kinda wished you mentioned Dorothea, a commoner with an "eat the rich" mentality who took every chance she got to shit on the nobility, especially on Ferdinand in their first couple of supports lol But otherwise, great video!

[@brakthalas]

Wow rude, they aren't elitist or classist, they are just better than you in every way.

[@Faerghast]

You would make a great senator then!!

[@larissamitie9808]

Out all of them I am least fond of Ferdinand. Less so about his elitism and more so because his "pushy side" on how people should conduct themselves is mild triggering to me. Lorenz, on the other hand is one of my favorite characters from 3H, he nags less than Ferdinand (maybe because GD is a mixed house) and his supports are more about how he views the responsabilities that his position as a noble brings and I admire that trait of his. Echoes... Man, Echoes. I absolutely adore the Deliverance crew and how they handle that. Specially for Clive and Clair, my favorite characters! I absolutely love Clair and how well developed she is. Her first impression falls more on the "Innocently insensitive" side than outright snobbish and even then we can see learns from it on her next appearence as she chides Fernand for disparaging the Ram crew and even apologizing for his behavior as well as vouching for Lukas and them. Clair is one of the most mature examples because she is more open to listen to others, take criticism and self reflect a lot. Clive is amazing. I could dedicate praises upon praises over how good his writing is and dare I say that he's even more developed than the Main Lords from his game. Clive is a good man, heralded as a paragon and showered in praises but he isn't perfect. His elitism is one of the rares instances that isn't played in comedic effect and is an attribute of one of the "good guys" used to great effect to both give a character development arc to him as well as showcasing his flaws.

[@kadenelson1469]

Constance is such a cool character! And while her multiple personality trait is an interesting concept i find it takes away from what makes her great

[@RayRayRay4547]

They gave her two(2) personalities and developed neither of them, lmfao.

[@kadenelson1469]

@@RayRayRay4547 exactly! Anything one personality would do the other would undo

[@kumakibbs]

I like this take on these types of characters, nice video Ghast :)

[@idreadFell365]

Loranz and Ferdinand’s B support conversation reminds me of Elizabeth Bathory from the Fate/Grand Order. A noble having horns and a tail and all.

[@KINGD353]

Ferdinand and Lorenz are without a doubt my favorite elitist characters of the whole series.

[@rigistroni]

I really like how Clive grows beyond his elitism in echoes. It's a unique arc and it's really well done

[@maccheesey2746]

Your content is so good recently man. It sucks that FE has such modest popularity because I could see you blowing up otherwise, but it’s very cool you stick to making content about a series you are so passionate about.

[@mobiusloop339]

The thing is, the three recent games (Awakening, Fates, 3H) have huge popularity, hence why those videos of his tend to have a lot of views. The majority have not played the games before those, so these types of videos that feature them will have less viewership.

[@maccheesey2746]

@@mobiusloop339 I wouldn’t say huge popularity. It’s more popular than it used to be sure, but FE is still pretty niche especially when it comes to KZbin content

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

@@mobiusloop339 Yet the most popular videos on this channel are about Genshin Impact.

[@daz1543]

If Edelgard had her way, Ferdinand Von Aegir wouldn't be Ferdinand Von Aegir. And I can't allow that, Ferdinand Von Aegir does what Ferdinand Von Aegir does because he is Ferdinand Von Aegir.

[@johnathanedwards9054]

I think you said Ferdinand's name more times than he does

[@Vassilinia]

No, no I'm pretty sure he's still got a LONG way to go to match up to Ferdie lmao

[@johnathanedwards9054]

@@Vassilinia haha 😄

[@ClaudevonRiegan_]

@Daz ah a Man of culture!

[@domhyrule]

Claire is one of my favorite characters

[@Amy_jo_]

Mine too! (Clair x Gray is otp, Clair x Gray is otp, Clair x Gray is otp)

[@johnathanedwards9054]

@@Amy_jo_ Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well

[@manuelcartagena8052]

People make fun of his hair but I think Lorenz is one of the best characters in the Golden Deer house. He might come off as a prude but he really is a great guy.

[@tristanbowles7258]

I love how there’s a storyline where he becomes the leader of Fodlan, while Claude peaces to Almyra. I thought it was odd at first, but more and more appropriate as I looked into it.

[@josebriceno6851]

I really agree, Lorenz is one of my favorites too. It's a shame not many people seems to care about him

[@manuelcartagena8052]

@@josebriceno6851 I think it's because people sleep on the guys in the golden deer house and the fact he has to compete with Ferdinand for noblest of nobles.

[@josebriceno6851]

@@manuelcartagena8052 Yep, Ferdinand is like the youngest brother who received all the attention while Lorenz is the oldest nodoby cares Sorry for my grammar i usually don't write a lot in english

[@johnathanedwards9054]

@@josebriceno6851 To be fair, this community loves to make memes and forget that the people that they making fun of are sometimes great characters.

[@SoundaSheep]

Came for the playerbase roast, stayed for the character roast

[@constancevonnuvelle5265]

my elitism so big only the sun can defeat me

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

Or a Bow

[@johnathanedwards9054]

Hi Constance, how's the magic research going?

[@constancevonnuvelle5265]

@@johnathanedwards9054 sometimes it's very tiresome but i won't stop until i've reached my goal. one day i will rule the world with my magic tea imperium i'm sure of it

[@johnathanedwards9054]

@@constancevonnuvelle5265 I would wish you luck, but you don't need it, I have seen what your magic does in the game. RIP 32 different Fortress Knights and Paladins, you will not be missed

[@overlorddystroy4044]

I got clickbaited, and I couldn't be happier :D

[@mcihay246]

No Clive and Python support convo about Privilege? A shame. Interesting video regardless.

[@rileystone3493]

I enjoyed this look into the characters who portray the elitist archetype (and honestly did not even consider you might be talking about the fan base)

[@wouterW24]

What is interesting to me is that it’s largely ignored that Three houses spends quite some effort on Noblesse Oblige. We also have the creator of the modern system, Rhea, who made it a church creed, which is relevant since she had to deal with the ten elite tribes. Seems to me she was serious about imposing certain standards on them since they possessed power. The cast has Lorenz has the arch-elitist who is still good-natured, Ferdinand who has a ego but compared to Lorenz is far more down to earth and less likely to make unforced errors, and also many other students who touch on the theme. Overall past the honeymoon period I haven’t seen much discussion about 3H trying to paint a diverse picture, since the roles of Rhea,Edelgard and Dimitri largely dominate the discussion, with nobility often ending up approached very black/white.

[@paladinslash4721]

Sadly some things went undeveloped, like the Leicester Alliance (well the Alliance in General) being a pretty cutthroat place. The whole reason Claude was even in Fodlan in the first place was because of an assassination possibly orchestrated by Lorenz’s father.

[@daz1543]

I see no reason to hate the nobility in Three Houses, the only bad ones are Imperials and Acheron

[@GeorgeKinsill]

@@daz1543 , don't forget Sylvain's parents. Lorenz's dad probably killed Raphael's parents, in addition to Claude's. Duke Goneril seems to engage in slavery, which isn't great.

[@wouterW24]

@@paladinslash4721 also interesting detail: looks like he was the one who sent Jeralt to Leonie’s village. The end result is a unseen character who engaged in depraved power politics, but seems to take day-to-day governance seriously, although quite aloof. Lorenz takes after him but is more principled. Ferdinand is less clear but he admits he hasn’t been proud of his father’s methods. Also on the subject, how long and how often has TWSITH tried to goad nobles into power plays? There’s a pattern to actively stoke ambitions and cause civil war. Was the nobility always this cuttroath, of has centuries of the manipulation fostered this culture?

[@johnathanedwards9054]

@@wouterW24 TWSITD many manipulate the Imperial Royal Family and the Six Great Noble Families and only have one or two agents in other parts of Fodlan that cause trouble, like Cornelia in the Kingdom or Solon in the Alliance. Most of what they do is working behind the scenes to cause Rhea to lose control and show her true draconian heritage.

[@ikon2986]

God I love this character archetype so much. Whenever I see characters like this that are pure hearted individuals you know they’re being genuine, and it’s just so nice.

[@reaperofthings]

In the middle of rewatching Ghast vs Echoes and I see this lol Edit: Lukas is the absolute BEST Noble in the series

[@windmage0168]

I love his voice. Greg Chun's buttery soft voice is like an eargasm.

[@fe_fanby2278]

I am rather fond of Lukas as well!

[@AznYunHou]

@@windmage0168 His Cheesecake recipe

[@mr.merlot]

This is awesome . Simply Awesome

[@jenhedge9481]

Love watching your videos!

[@danielostrowski856]

Thinking about elitism and nobility in FE makes me think about the series’ consistent support for the principles of absolute legitimist monarchy- something it likes to hand wave away by stressing that the protagonist monarchs are good guys. We spend so much time in FE and wider medieval fantasy settings restoring monarchies because it’s an easy plot setup. I’d really like some of these things to examine those ideas a bit more closely and not just always tell us to restore the kingdom because the lord is a great guy.

[@metaknight1410]

I've kinda had to balance my love between Lorenz and Ferdinand, I couldn't decide who was better. But I kinda fell on Lorenz more as a character. Lorenz believes in a class system, but also (in Catherine's support I think?) believes in a commoners right to overthrow a corrupt ruler. He believes in "higher standards" for nobles which includes distancing themselves but actually cares about how to actually improve the lives of subjects (such as direct spending on markets as opposed to a singular more wealthy establishment.). He refuses to date common women not because he automatically thinks they are poor and ugly but because he "needs" a certain standard for women, such as enough experience to not be overwhelmed with noble responsibility. I think FE3H just explore his nobility a bit more than Ferdinand.

[@pokemongirl5674]

the elitist characters well are higher class folks raised in a way that they're expected to. Granted in a way its a stereotype, and a few definitely show the oujosama trope that you would find in Japanese media (I won't be surprised if Maribelle did the ohoho laugh that comes with the oujosama trope). Despite all of this I find these group of characters to be...quite fascinating, and they always seem to be on my endgame team in some shape or form. I have been doing research all for the purpose of writing a comic set in Victorian England (which definitely featured the upper class folks) so as a result...it have affected on how I view certain character tropes in the series, and can (for the most part) appreciate them.

[@usernotfound1191]

Constance is a very fun character and one of my many favorite

[@guitardedzach]

I just got into the series a couple weeks ago. I binged 2 playthroughs of 3H. Now I have all the gba games downloaded to my phone.

[@sevasentinel4146]

Clickbait title, but still relevant to what was discussed. I liked it. EDIT: Another thing I should have mentioned that I'm surprised you didn't - granted you did touch upon it- is the concept of noblesse oblige. This explains the positions and temperament of nobles such as Ferdinand, and is a noble's "with great power comes great responsibility."

[@idreadFell365]

This is a convenient video, I recently finished looking at a play throughs of Echoes to the end of the story.

[@johnathanedwards9054]

Is it wrong that I want to fight more laser shooting dragons after completing Echoes story

[@skycaptain39]

The only reason I like this archetype is because I enjoy seeing them get knocked down several pegs. Other than, that I REALLY don't find being unaware of your own privilege charming or quaint, so this trope is not exactly my favorite.

[@daz1543]

Virgin Commoners vs the Chad Nobles

[@Fishman465]

That title is rather clickbaity considering how divided the playerbase is (highlighted by FEH in various ways) But this is interesting take on the topic, likewise with that bit at the end, sometime the best warriors ill make for politicians of peacetme. I'd like to mention some of hte lines of Legendary Alm in FEH, a commoner turned king who on some level still wants to fight on the frontlines. I imagine that he never forgot his roots.

[@CassieHasYoutube]

Great title grab; interesting content!

[@Buzz231094]

Great vid!

[@TheShuckmeister]

Constance is best girl.

[@Faerghast]

She's great and also Jojo part 6 wooo

[@johnathanedwards9054]

@@Faerghast Don't tell my brother about Jojo part 6, his favorite anime is Jojo's Bizarre Adventure

[@dalesabandal9113]

“Preposterous! It is our jobs as veteran players to dictate how or why our playstyles and games are better than what the plebian new players play” - The oh so noble playerbase

[@floricel_112]

haha, lvl 20 promoting go brr

[@floricel_112]

3:25 sheep are hardly the same species as wolves, Berkut

[@thievingpenguin9222]

Elites in FE always hit me in a strange way. Historically there have been good and bad nobles but one should note that nobles within our history have had to be good in general. Any bad lord would eventually get overthrown or conspired against so generally kings, Lord's, etc. had to be good. These people were also highly educated and usually taught how to fight and kill by the age of 8. Generally, when you're looking at horrible nobility it comes from them going insane from some injury or old age. Of course the current views on nobles within media is more or less due to more modern views on such things.

[@SolarYoshi]

not the video i was expecting but i think i like this better anyways c:

[@heyoh167]

I uh may have thought this was about the fans at first-

[@brianwinters2285]

I may be my bias talking (huge Constance fan here) but I feel Constance is not an elitist but she still has that Noble Pride. Her manner of speech can give off elitism but she's the type of character you really have to listen to what she is saying and not how she is saying it. Also the cool thing I liked about some of her supports is how she is learning to live life as a commoner and learning things from a commenter's perspective. The Yuri, Hapi and Mercedes supports with her touched on those things. I especially liked the Constance & Hapi A support because she practically didn't care about the commoner and noble dynamic between her and Hapi. Also Constance > Lysinthia as a unit.

[@wakkaseta8351]

1:20 Oliver once again proving why he's the best and most beautiful Fire Emblem character ever.

[@lantredudax]

Lorenz went from one of the worst to one of the best characters in Three Houses for me. Most of his C-rank supports show him as the snobbiest most pompous asshole who thinks he's better than anyone. But in higher supports we often see that even though he got bad habits from his father he's essentially misunderstood and have a very idealist vision of nobility. He doesn't think he's better than the others, he thinks that he's born in a high place and that before any of the advantages it gives him, it comes with huge responsibilities. Ferdinand tells hims about misconceptions commoners have towards nobles when they don't see them and that's exactly what we see in one of his supports with Leonie. She freaks out when he starts healing her ankle wound, thinking that a noble can't be seen on his knee in front of her. But he brushes it off, focused on his work : being of aid for the commoners. He's got the "good" mentality for a noble but it's often hard to see because of his language habits and also because he's not really good with people. I guess that last trait could be common among the Gloucester, that would explain even though they are a powerful house they can't seem to unite the Alliance like the Riegan do. And no, it's not to convince myself I need to recruit him so I can give Thyrsus to Lysithea

[@TheTenzen12]

Honestly I wouldn't call Ferdinand or Lorenz "redeemable", that would imply there is something in need of fixing (Well, we are talking about "elitism" not Lorenz's fashion sense mind you). You may like it or hate their approach to nobility and commonfolk, but regardless I have hard time to call it actually wrong.

[@wowitsportal5225]

We all thought this would be about the community, don’t lie

[@johnathanedwards9054]

Not me, I saw the thumbnail

[@ceruleanvoice3538]

Unless you saw the community post from a couple days ago

[@johnathanedwards9054]

@@ceruleanvoice3538 I forgot about that, but yeah that too

[@weapontriangleisasuggestion]

3:25 Fernand just hit him with the “so true, Lord Berkut!!”

[@obara7366]

Berkut: *says something bigoted* Fernand: *panties drop* Wth was that gasp?! LOL. I don't remember that from the game.

[@u.srooster3880]

Would Virion fit into the more nice nobles as he helds responsibly for himself for how he had to leave his home behind?

[@bobosmith101]

He also left them behind, soo

[@u.srooster3880]

@@bobosmith101 Hey if a beef muffin like Walhart arrived I'll run away too

[@princeapoopoo5787]

I thought that Virion felt guilty about leaving them behind and it wasn't completely his choice. But I don't remember, the plot of FE:A is a bit odd to me at times.

[@bobosmith101]

@@princeapoopoo5787 I mean the populace hates him for it and it takes the timeskip for him to properly rally some forces sooo

[@karlauminga6404]

@@bobosmith101 As Walhart invaided Rossane, the people are willing to fight to for homeland at the point of death which Virion knew that the dukedom will suffer heavy losses even if he concocted a strategy and win the battle, he'll also suffer losses as well which this is a possible indication that his people are willing to die for their duke because of that. That reminds me that Virion's actions is quite similar to Celica as the later leaves Ram Village (Both Rossane and Ram Village are situated in the same area albeit a millennium apart) after a kidnapping attempt although she was young back then.

[@hhh827]

Wait i subscribed over a year ago and was wondering why I hadn't seen your videos in awhile! How on earth did it unfollow??

[@toriwork8891]

Spoilers for Echoes. It's really a shame Echoes undercuts everything it set up with Alm and "commoners can do it too/nobles aren't inherently superior" by making Alm . . . actually a noble. I enjoy stories about nobles and kings and think it's fine when an FE game ends with "there's peace because the new noble/royal leader is good," but what is a bit irritating is how it almost pushes that these nobles ARE better with things like Alm, that Thracia character, and even Edelgard for all her lofty ideals just puts nobles in charge of their houses and CF totally ignores how war hurts anyone not named Edelgard. FE often seems to want to say something about class, but never really does outside of Tellius.

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

Still waiting for another FE where the main character isn't royalty or a god-like being.

[@TeeGee3]

Maybe the real elitists were the casuals we met along the way

[@ivanbluecool]

Honestly looking back on awakening I ask myself "why is sumia the main herione" when Maribelle is such a better Character especially when she is the main wife to chrom not counting Cordelia who is better than sumia on all sides as a character personality and kit. Same as Daughter. Maribelle is probably one the only Character in all of fire emblem that actually tries to fix the class system that most games just accept as the system when you see many evil kindoms where one person has too much power Lead to major war. Niles is funny as he looks down on people and Camilla shoots his narrow mind down on how hard it is to be a noble especially after all the siblings get killed to which only 4 remain in norh. I never liked fernad i think his name was in echoes who went with berkut. Berkut I liked even with him giving up his love for power and dying for it but went out like a boss. Fernad died like a loser and i felt like laughing if I cared. Claire deserves better than gray and she does so she never stays in one place helping people. Sure she probably has some views on villagers as nobles Probably do in general but she is quite the good person inside like Natalia in tales of the abyss where she helps people regardless of class. Honestly everyone who is a lead is a noble so they could fall into this class system aside Ike who later leads but more so like chrom who eats an orange bare while gauis takes him to go see how the people actually are. Loved the video btw.

[@daz1543]

Probably because there is nothing wrong with the class system in Fire Emblem, the majority of characters are fine with it, the only time there are problems are with blatantly evil people

[@ivanbluecool]

@@daz1543 nothing wrong is beyond wrong to say. Awakening went from gangrel to vaildar in plegia with the evil dragon and Even chroms father was a tyrant to which emmeeryn had to fix the country and even get a scar being hated for her father's actions and hide her pain from everyone as she healed the country from the bloodshed Blazing sword you see the kid prince grow up a tyrant as s most if not all the kings get possessed or controlled in the shadows especially in sacred stones where Lyon and his father were easily used. That's not even bringing up norh with all the concubine wars leaving 5 kids alive after dozens of kids and mothers died then anakos took garons body. Or genealogy of the holy war that used all these ancient bloodlines that were heroes were used against itself as Arvis was used and even he was wasn't the worst person in story compared to his son and loteays. Funny enough walhart while being a conqueror is not anything special he is just strong and said to be like alm without a Celica by the people and rather compared a large army where his counselor was using him with aversa to get both sides killed if walhart wasn't smart which he was. If anything the class system is the very big problem with all these wars happening and leading to the bad guys using it for power as both sides bleed each other dry for thier own ends leading to dragons and whatever by the end. Which Maribelle should get more credit for in wanting to go from ylisse to plegia to valm to everywhere to fix this broken system as a whole

[@orvatus6195]

Dear lord, you sound like an extremely judgemental person.

[@ivanbluecool]

@@orvatus6195 calling out a bad Character is judgmental? That's not a good argument as you never gave me one defending point for the Characters Sumia just on release having little to no supports despite the story showing she talks to people aside the 5 is I.S really not doing the "main herione" justice especially since Cordelia and Maribelle have better Characters being Lissa's friend or everything Cordelia sees. Sumia is basically pie tripping flower fortunes a flying horse and that's it. Everyone else I dare you to try to make an argument for I'll take the challenge Also Anyone can say "your wrong" and never make a point like yours(mic drop)

[@namoma4922]

Constance would count as an elitist since she does believe in the nobility system and work herself hard to get her house worthy again of that title.If we go by her crimson flower self too were house nuvelle would loose eventually the noble privileges, she isn't opposed to the idea, since it would simply mean her descendant would need to work like she did to maintain society recognition(like how some business or political families are known in democracies: the law itself doesn't bend to give them advantages, they have to get them and maintain it themselves, otherwise they just fall(how abusable is the system is another matter))