What If The Patriot Mil Spec Was Heavier in GTA Online?

[@babbabiamesser]

Being the slower imani tech vehicle, some more weight to avoid losing too much speed on crashes and not flip to explosions would definitely be ideal, I still haven't bought this vehicle because I'd better use a half-track in its place, the absence of lock-ok jammer is quite well compensated by the immunity from flipping over and getting bombed over and over.

[@uncleraaj6479]

Trust me this things better just trust me

[@xDerHunterHeli]

It's trash...

[@sponge2068]

It doesn't flip as easily as you'd expect, especially not when you're driving at mach 9 and nobody can lock onto you.

[@butternug5303]

It is extremely hard to destroy an imani vehicle in motion. E rounds/cannons are your best bet

[@hummerguy]

This is how the armored version should've been, the real life armored humvees is nearly double the weight, the light armored trucks being from 9,000-10,000, and the heavily armored slant back ones being from 13,000-14,000 dry. I also think those windows should hold up to more firepower than the other windows, those armored windows are up to 3 inches thick, including the windshield. These windows should be similar to the police armored riot van, those windows can take a ton of bullets before they break unless these which take like 16 or so bullets. These 3-inch-thick windows can take bullets all day unless you bust out a 50 cal

[@foodistzen]

fancy seeing you turn up

[@Ranz90]

in a demolition ranch video he did not get trough with a normal .50 bmg, had to use a black tip

[@wintersbane3183]

Actually the armored hum-vee in real life weighs around 7,700 at its maximum.

[@hummerguy]

@@wintersbane3183 That's the weight of an unarmored humvee with the slant back and x doors. Armored humvees are typically around 9,800 - 13,500 pounds. The only armored humvee that can possibly be around 7,700 is a 2 door humvee with the MAK armor and even that, I'm sure it's over 7,700

[@hummerguy]

@@Ranz90 Yea, that make sense, those windshields are thick and very heavy, just one of the windshields is like 130 pounds

[@stahl44]

Would be cool ngl…

[@onemustypickle]

I hate that rockstar doesn't take into account these kind of details anymore. It just seems like they just design a new a vehicle and throw in generic stats of previous vehicles.

[@XxXNOSCOPEURASSXxX]

Rockstar really do be spending the time to fully model a new car and then just slap random numbers at the easiest part

[@onemustypickle]

@@XxXNOSCOPEURASSXxX exactly! It really makes some vehicles that are priced over a million dollars just not worth it. It's pathetic that 1 guy can make some minor changes to the code to vastly improve the function of a vehicle or weapon.

[@scottl.1568]

+1

[@thisfeatureisstupidxo]

yeah it’s just shells at this point - just look at the interiors , car sounds , it’s all just different shells - all the same base lmao

[@Vibevibellama]

It's all about getting content out so they can make money

[@wintersbane3183]

To be honest they need to fix a few things with the Mill spec. Number 1. Increase weight and horsepower. To give it more ramming ability. 2. Remove the the crappy step bars on the side. They serve no purpose and even the character animation has no use for them. 3. Stiffen up the suspension just alittle to give it more stability off road. 4. Add snorkels that actually work and/or give us an exhaust option like the patriot that we got with the Cayo Perico. Cause when I gave the deep water test I was alittle disappointed that it didn't go further under water. Otherwise that's basically the only few issues I see with it.

[@G1ggl3z]

What if: The Mil-Spec was more tanker and could take more Homing Rocket's, RPG's and Explosives to destroy?

[@stahl44]

That would make it unbalanced tho because the Imani-Tech makes the new vehicles almost too good already

[@masteroftime1703]

It needs explosive cannons resistant for how slow it is

[@masteroftime1703]

@@stahl44 there only good for mk2 oppressor

[@shushhhl6597]

@@masteroftime1703 they're shit for the mk2 lol

[@masteroftime1703]

@@shushhhl6597 have you try hitting a mk2 free aim homie missiles 12 times on one of the imani tech vehicle with homie jammer. It not a easy

[@giovannifelipe5461]

I think I'd personally want the Mil-Spec to have the ramming power of the Duke O' Death.

[@DemBlox]

fr it makes more sense too

[@chilbiyito]

the cargobob should have more weight lift limit

[@OliveIsTyping]

Lol yeah

[@MegaRenegade1000]

Cargo bob lift up rhino, no problem...nightshark too heavy😂😂

[@mrnine324]

Now just for fun, give it a mass of 50,000 and the amount of horsepower/torque to easily push that much weight and play around, lol. I remember modding GTAIV and making the police buffalo weigh more than the tank, and then using a trainer I think to keybind two keys: one key is instant 100mph and another key is instant brake/stop. I would have SOOOO much fun using both to just quickly bump the npc vehicles and then stop myself and watch them go flying off or into buildings/peds/etc. So fun!

[@michelveraliot]

He need to do that we need to see what's gonna happen

[@lfla0179]

In gta, speed and acceleration are decoupled from mass. Inertia doesn't exist as function of mass in the game. But yeah, I see your point.

[@eurybiaball63]

Or just play with your RC car with the mass of 999 tonnes

[@courtlanstanfill6102]

It’s ironic that the Deity, a civilian car, is heavier than the military style Hummer, Mil-spec.

[@elfen__]

its not heavier. Deity vehicle mass is 2685 compared to the mil spec which is 3430

[@andrejspecht8217]

In that regard the Milspec reminds me of B-11. Both base themselves on something solid in terms of firepower or weight and both disappoint in that regard - they are absolutely something else than expected.

[@SnivyTries]

Speaking of vehicle mass, I'm really curious what the mass of the monster truck is. That thing feels like it's lighter than any car you find on the street!

[@goodlifeFOB]

This is exactly why the deity is my favourite car from the update, it handles like a the beastly heavy sedan that it is and plows vehicles out the way easily

[@racermigs1]

Feels like the Deity is heavier than the patriot mil--spec.

[@Ozzie816]

This is a good concept, especially since the mil spec is the slowest of Imani tech cars, this would be perfectly balanced given its lack of speed.

[@SamnissArandeen]

The whole "it turns left or right when running into things" is solved by weight *distribution* being shifted more to the rear so the rear doesn't slide around as easily.

[@justanotherghost4589]

Man I really wish Rockstar would tune vehicle mass more often, it would be so much more fun, kinda reminds me of Burnout when it comes to ramming cars out of the way lol

[@alexandrefillot9600]

I believe it to be MUCH BETTER than the normal

[@alexandrefillot9600]

I'd also like to add that I'm gonna add a roof grid cosmetic mod because jeez does it doesn't look right with just clean lines

[@tonystark7152]

They should give nightshark ram power and weight to it

[@GamerScotty]

With an increase in weight, I’d suggest more torque as that’ll do all your pushing and ramming power. (Think MOC.)

[@zwiged]

FFS, Rockstar, hire this guy already!

[@AceMan-20]

For the record, HMMWVs weight irl is close to 8,000 pounds when fully loaded up, so this video isn't outlandish in the slightest.

[@hummerguy]

You never seen or weighed a armored humvee, they weigh in at 10,000 to 14,000. Take a look at armored humvee data plate when you get a chance

[@AceMan-20]

@@hummerguy You really gonna gatekeep seeing a HMMWV 😅

[@Razar244]

The game files value is in kilograms and not pounds, 3430 kg equals to about 7562lbs. A theoretical value of 7400 kg like in this video would equal to about 16000lbs.

[@spiderenigma2803]

@@Razar244 and that's fine because adding the jammer makes the cars slower and in that case heavier

[@hummerguy]

@@AceMan-20 No, I get them off govplanet lol

[@ZOI-Omega]

Welcome to Ghillie Gear, on tonight's episode: I drive a Humvee, I crush a taxi, and I shoot a rocket!

[@vampyregod81]

It should knock cars put of the way like the insurgent did when it was first released, before it was nerfed.

[@maltainu3621]

The new Bentley is one dense car though

[@maltainu3621]

Edit: its one disingenuous dense mf who doesn't know anything about anything

[@tylercouture216]

so cool to see the heavy vehicles resist the force of the explosion

[@slayo710]

This thing needs a roof turret I feel. Especially with the price

[@nightshotjamie]

I was expecting this thing to be way heavier, ramming vehicles out of the way just doesn't work which it looks like it would easily be able to do

[@RSAgility]

That's why Saint's Row 2 has the greatest cheat ever designed. "Car Mass Hole" which makes your car infinitely massive and cannot be stopped or affected by other vehicles, plowing through traffic is the funnest thing in that game.

[@cpljimmyneutron]

Army vet... a fully armored humvee weighs around 12000lbs. This can vary wildly depending on attached equipment. This is why they have a 1200HP engine. These vehicles do have a top speed of about 80mph... however... I can tell you from experience that a regular personal car will literally bounce right off of them and not even scratch the armor.

[@hummerguy]

They have turbos on the armored ones, they make around 220hp, they ain't making no 1200, the 6500 Optimizers won't hold up to that much lol

[@cpljimmyneutron]

@@hummerguy Yes, I see your user name, and I know what is publicly available on the internet. I also know that I have not had my own hmmwv assigned to me since 2008... however in 2005 I had my own, brand new M1151 that I drove for uncle sam... along with a M1083... and our mechanics were quite jealous of my hmmwv because of two things... 1, it was new... but two... it was one of the first bored variants, it was custom modified... a modification that over the next year was applied to ALL of the M1151's and M1152's in my unit. And they directly told me that the engine could reach 1200HP. When we left country we gave those vehicles to 172SBCT out of Alaska... and well... that unit didn't do very well, and most of their equipment became crap from abuse and neglect. I do know that the specs on the vehicles are not the same as what we really get... but I also know from being in a Stryker unit that everything we got, every piece of equipment was modified from factory specs, often using tools that were not available to other units. We literally made the "Stryker" equipment, we made rhinos and BFB's before any kind of issued version existed. It is just how we operated, and a part of why we were incredibly successful in our mission.

[@hummerguy]

@@cpljimmyneutron Damn, I'll have to look into that, I know the newer 6500 Optimizers in the newer humvees are improved, especially the Cylinders that kept overheating. I may have to get one of those newer engines if I can find one. I know these newer 6500 Optimizers on the humvee makes 220ish hp, which is a big upgrade from the N/A 6.5s

[@hummerguy]

@@cpljimmyneutron How did that M1151 held up for you in service? I been thinking about getting one to go on side with my M1123 but undecided because all the ones that come up for sell are usually trashed. Thank you for your service!

[@cpljimmyneutron]

@@hummerguy Honestly... the only problem I had was the AC going out from dust... which was an easy fix. BUT... I only had that one for a year before passing it on, so I can't really speak to longevity. I put about 20k miles on it. That said... I don't know if you can get the armored/modified 1151's... I think the armor and engine are removed before sale.

[@kavinskysmith4094]

I kinda think maybe it needs to be an inbetween of the two weights, as it looks almost a little much on your modded one, like personally I think the ideal would be something along the lines of giving it the pushing power the one in the rock had also personally with my own misgivings with the model I wish it had a blocker panel that could be fitted to the rear window so we can use it in the pickup truck form without having to worry about it getting blown out all the time when someone shoots rockets at us, and it needs a roll bar with lights in the back so we could properly complete the GTA 3 look, and have some bumpers without the non functional tow hooks that always look stupid and like someones sticking their tong out at us. but still their is alot of potental with the thing, also its rather curious with this patriot, its the most detailed car they've ever put in as apparently if you put a bunch in a server it lags it pretty bad begs the question of what their planning with it really, as everything else in the DLC has been recylced in some form or another, with the body being the most unique thing about them, all except that.

[@WhiteDieselShed]

Always a puzzle when adding armour does not add weight and make the vehicle a little slower. Should offer the options of no armour and fast or lots of armour and slow. Why is the Agency RC vehicle sometimes visible on the map though? Anyone had that? Friend could see me on the map (Buffalo GTX), unsure if others could but I could not see them and they could not see me when I swapped RC vehicles another Buffalo GTX.

[@peekaboom9299]

i wish it had ramming power of insurgent or half track

[@67ShelbyGT500E]

To just out of sheer curiosity what are the numbers on the armored karuma, that thing's a rolling tank for being such a small car Hell a 1v1 of the mil-spec patriot and karuma

[@MilesFox92]

5:49 I've giggled at this door flying right into your face

[@thenooseagent]

I don't know how I feel about the explosives. The Humvee in real life is well known for being disastrously incapable of being hit by IEDs but RPGs I would assume it would react differently to.

[@tokisky46]

Yeah but this is GTA. I understand where you're coming from, but an armoured vehicle that reacts too much to explosions would be obsolete.

[@GhostyOfKyiv]

I’ve seen u twice

[@dogface45]

That's the case for a lot of vehicles in game that have that weird weight/physics going on but it's a R* logic.

[@sergioledesma1389]

That contract soundtrack that you used is so nice. Best in the game

[@carlosrz_7]

We need more rammimg vehicles they are fun

[@psilovecybin5940]

Arena war Cerberus with shunt boost. Sends Semi trucks flying trough the air. it's so much fun. Too bad it's slow as fuck

[@tigerfung5575]

I find the first test interesting. In real life, I don’t think mass of the pushing vehicle matters if both the pushing car and car being pushed are connected and standing still before the pushing car starts to apply force(accelerate), what matters should be the power of the pushing force or the horsepower/torque of the car. But correct me if I’m wrong.

[@LSCrazyCabCo]

glad to see the taxi being used more for tests

[@sr_echo]

Pretty easy to see your point Seeing the heavier mod patriot tank the rockets was kinda sexy

[@EditedDread]

You should do a video where you make a car extremely heavy and plow through the highway

[@kylestivers4606]

I don't like how it spins completely around when you barely bump into another car. It's kinda annoying to drive.

[@GirlsUndPanzerFan98]

I think it'd be a cool idea for that but I'd also think two imani tech armored vehicles that would be interesting to see is an Armored Stockade and an Armor Guardian or Sandking that could be used for ramming

[@VeXeDZERO]

Honestly it should rival the Insurgent, or maybe the Nightshark.

[@johnathanmayes8413]

Nightshark has good ramming power

[@FalconFlight747]

The Sandking XL absolutely needs this

[@onemansvideos2134]

Heavier seems more realistic

[@masteroftime1703]

Lacks armor, mass and speed against explosives cannons

[@Dragono_]

How heavy is the Zhaba in the game files then? Cause that thing feels like it’s paper machete lol

[@GhillieMaster]

The Zhaba is very light

[@Dragono_]

@@GhillieMaster feeling like driving a weighted balloon around, absolutely pointless vehicle

[@JimJonesBG97]

Average supercar weight, around 1600kg

[@lfla0179]

You can compare with the Armored Kuruma that just PUNTS traffic around like a Pinball flipper, while a Tuners DLC car simply stops dead. I was so pissed when they wanted me to rob 6 banks with a completely unarmored car that can be stopped with a stick. On the other end of the spectrum is the Chernobog and the Vigilante...

[@TheLukesterGaming]

That's definitely a much needed weight improvement there, though ironically that split screen comparison also makes your video a good showcase of 30fps on console vs 60fps on PC!😂👍

[@ye7170]

All it needed was more mass and a turret instead of a front mounted MG to make it greatly viable.

[@Mattaiyoh]

This heavier version would be amazing against god mode vans haha

[@TJBrouwer]

I find the (non-godmode, PC version) Speedo Custom to be a total crap out as an armoured vehicle. This vehicle with it's cow catcher front end gets tossed around by tin-can Futo's all the time. You know, for those of us who use it as the delivery vehicle it's supposed to be... 😉

[@Wing578]

It would be less bad

[@jimbo8743]

I agree, it’s definitely too light. And the mines don’t always work. Lately I’ve been just using the SUV 👌

[@kinginfamousz]

I seen a Disney (What If), and now I'm watching a Gta version. Lol I like this, this is dope!!

[@HinaomiAkiyama]

I still don't get why they thought that Patriot Mil-Spec is lighter than Insurgent

[@Nithian]

its amazing how little effort it would take for rockstar to make the vehicles more realistic and yet that is still too much for them lmao. Rockstar doesnt care anymore

[@clarksonoceallachain8536]

They could add a armoured vehicle based of the international workstar crew or jack mack granite

[@Samuel_Lipscomb]

The Iraq hummer weighed about 5-6 tons. It had a heavy v shaped armor plate just on the bottom to deflect blast and save solders. You're driving like the 1970's with light armor. It's not meant to be super bulk.

[@davidjacobs7465]

Currently I believe the deity is the heaviest imani tech vehicle.

[@ironespio]

This is pretty interesting. Now I'm curious to know how much mass the armored karuma has, since when you get some speed goin, the karuma can launch regular cars rather well

[@flux3238]

The armored kuruma is 3200 kilograms

[@connor2513]

Should be as tough as the night shark then I remember Stalinyium

[@yarnickgoovaerts]

How do you get different colored taxies and an insurgent pick up without guns?

[@TJBrouwer]

Mods in single player

[@yarnickgoovaerts]

@@TJBrouwer I’ve seen him driving the taxi around in online in another video a couple of days ago

[@GhillieMaster]

@@yarnickgoovaerts The taxi is an Arena War unlock, rank 25 is when you get it

[@yarnickgoovaerts]

@@GhillieMaster thank you for replying. I find it actually pretty cool, perhaps now I’ve a reason to play arena war

[@TyrannoKoenigsegg]

How heavy is the nightshark?

[@JimJonesBG97]

4400kg

[@low1444]

The regular boxville was 8000 kg

[@JimJonesBG97]

@@low1444 Actually, I've looked it up and the regular Boxville weighs 5500kg and the Armored Boxville weighs 7500kg

[@akaaaay]

Whats the mass of Calico GTF? I'm asking because that car kinda feels heavy

[@marcel7803]

I was already 2mins in when the notification for the video popped up

[@price763]

This would definitely give it a place in the imani tech cars. To be an unstopable force.though I do question if it is enough. Since its so slow it can still get fired upon easier than the others.

[@bloodycringemode3563]

Once again doing changes that would help this game grow and the devs wont even care :l keep up the great changes and idea's.

[@devilshit2949]

I wish it was more like the insurgent and nightshark

[@Check_Vibe0]

My friend says the half track lost its fully bulletproof windows?

[@sooperdude22]

>Insurgent pickup with no gunner turret Excuse me, what?!

[@NatureXwars]

How much mass does the Revolter & Duke O' Death have?

[@yarnickgoovaerts]

People seem to forget that the humvee is designed to be light enough to be parachuted in, something that is unthinkable for an LAPV like the insurgent. why does everyone think they’re in the same weight class?

[@hummerguy]

The gurkha is 16,000 pounds and a armored humvee is nearly 14,000 pounds, they ain't much different

[@yarnickgoovaerts]

@@hummerguy wrong. The gurkha weights around 19,5000 pounds while an uparmored humvee weights 7,700 to 8,500 pounds. I would like to see your sources

[@hummerguy]

@@yarnickgoovaerts Sadly I can't post my source here since youtube don't let me send pictures and throws my comments with link in the spam folder but its the weight of humvees are literally on the data plate Pickup armored is 12,500 If I remember correctly the slantback is 13,100 and the sqaure armored one is around 13,900. The humvee you're talking about at 7,700 is a basic slant back with the X doors, the 8,500 number idk where you got that one from, unless the pickup MAK armored kits is around there, or maybe the ambulance humvee Gurkha, I don't have the data plate to that one, but they list it as 16,500 ish. I think 16,700

[@yarnickgoovaerts]

@@hummerguy I have multiple different websites all stating the same numbers, but none of them said anything about 14,000 and 16,000 pounds

[@OliveIsTyping]

This is how it should’ve been it feels way to light to be a armoured military vehicle

[@JillyBeany]

Give it the ramming power of a Phantom Wedge and then it's balanced. 😛(I really just want a low profile Phantom Wedge)

[@OmarTheAtheistAziz]

would it be even slower if its mass gets higher no matter what new armored car comes out, Insurgent is my all time fav.

[@carljohnson3348]

Imagine it being as heavy as the vigilante

[@Srfingfreak]

The gros weight of a M998 armored Humvee is 7.700 lb - unarmored weight of 5,200lb, so you're actually pretty close to reality. For reference, an MRAP (closest thing to an insurgent IMO) weighs in at 28,000 lb.

[@pietrosouto9732]

how do you get a insurgent pick-up without turret ?

[@regera6019]

0:25 how does your insurgent not have a mounted gun?

[@nolydyrav4686]

Glad I am not the only one who thinks the patriot is lacking

[@JaysGaming127]

Rockstar Games should take notes from your videos so that they can learn how to get things right in the game.

[@melvinmcfly4498]

I really hate the armor plating on the thing because it forces you to have the ugly ass breadboxes on the windows, and, they don’t even make the windows thicker, the normal windows are still on the inside, it just puts the boxes on top of them, unfortunately you basically have to have the armor for it to be worth owning.

[@dbdgamer1223]

I agree it should have more mass besides that it’s a decent vehicle

[@atemeds2262]

why does the insurgent pickup not have a gun?

[@_m.a.y.o_]

modded

[@GhillieMaster]

That’s what happens when you do the Benny’s merge with it lol. The gun goes away

[@atemeds2262]

@@GhillieMaster oh lol

[@jimbrown8031]

How about when the Lazer cannon hits the heavier one?

[@Treklosopher]

Yeah. It should be at least as heavy as the Duke O' Death.

[@FacuGonz3]

It's like they don't care how to do cars now.

[@Demonware47]

How tf did you remove the gun on the pickup

[@Allanjay6]

We need you to work for Rockstar, Ghillie!

[@ihavetowait90daystochangem74]

Needs to be faster as well i dont even use jt anymore as people who manage to kill me run and hide like anne frank

[@leonkenedy4616]

This is a must have for the new Patriot, can you upload it as a mod to GTA5 mods page? I´ll definitely download.

[@ChillZaddy]

I know this might sound dumb/stupid but can you do a stun gun rebalanced video? Here's how you can rebalance it, make the cool down 8-9 seconds instead of 12 seconds, make the stun gun inflict more damage while also doing damage overtime, meaning that the player you shoot with the stun gun will be stunned and will take damage during the 5 seconds of the effect.

[@psilovecybin5940]

So u wanna turn a non lethal weapon into a lethal weapon 🤔 yeah makes no fucking sense. Put the crackpipe down kiddo

[@Soviet-Union-]

So we not gonna talk about seeing an insurgent pickup with no machine gun on top?

[@doctortwilight]

I'm curious about the taxi. How the hell do you have a custom taxi?

[@GhillieMaster]

It’s an Arena War unlock haha. Rank 25 I believe you unlock it

[@evanmanochio]

Patriot mil spec collision mechanics are similar to stock ruiner

[@kuraku5712]

i love this type of video but sad rockstar never make this changes :c

[@GZF4]

No this is accurate and I would love it more if it was like this please someone from rockstar try and get this to happen

[@CrazyDavid]

Now make it weigh as much as the Chernobog