Real-Scale Starcraft: Mass Recall - Zerg! - pt 2

[@ZergrushEddie]

Mutalisks are the duct tape of Zerg. If it isn't the solution to a problem you just are not using enough.

[@Rychlewicz]

And then Psi-storm...

[@The-jy3yq]

@@Rychlewicz and Archons.... ...and then they just melt against the Mootaleesque

[@eglewether5523]

Mutas are not the anwer, mutas are the question and answer is Yes!

[@judahsmyth5398]

even the units that might counter them are countered by the mutalisk if you have a big enough ratio

[@lanteanboy]

@@judahsmyth5398 a lot of units in Starcraft are like that to be honest

[@eclairtleqaq4758]

Last episode I skipped out on developer commentary, so I have a bunch to say this time. On the previous episodes you might have noticed that both Photon Cannons and Dragoons have minor splash damage against small units such as Zerglings. This is because playtesting of the Protoss campaign showed that early game Protoss had a lot of difficulties against early Zerg units, making the first few Protoss missions super difficult. This resulted in a wholesale buff for gateway units. Zealot’s HP was increased to 125 life and 120 shields compared to RS LotV’s 100 life and 90 shields, and Dragoons gained +10 HP, -10 vespene cost, and minor splash against small units. Once again, since all units are available both to the player and the enemy, RS SCMR took a bit more balancing than other RS campaigns. Since the Terran campaign has already showcased every SC1 unit in real scale, I’ve begun to take more liberties from the Zerg campaign onward to make stuff more interesting. One thing you might have noticed is that all missions on Char feature a lot of mineral patches spread across the map. I cooked up this feature because I wanted the player to spread their macro hatches all over the map to create a sense of infestation, since there is no creep spread mechanic in SC1. Char is also one of the richest planet in the sector and a very important Confederate mining platform pre-infestation, so it also makes sense in lore. The Amerigo was the indoor mission where I first thought up the indoor upscaling mechanic. In order to make the upscaling look more obvious, I added a bunch of things that were medium sized in normal maps but would appear large here. Most of them are in the central bay, featuring a prototype Diamondback, an APC, an Eradicator, a landed Dropship(which Grant missed) and two carbot zerglings. I also added a bunch of siege tanks for the enemy, tho the placement of the first one, which could shoot into the civilian room, was probably a bit jank. I should probably replace that one in a future version.

[@glenmcgillivray4707]

I might suggest leaving the tank unsieged till you enter the room. Thus the tank cannot reach you prematurely yet has the range to do it's work in time for the swarm to sneak in. Alternatively. Just spread out some firebats.

[@asdt560]

I actually really liked that first tank. It started firing immediately after the scientist said 'call for help', as if to say that they called for fire support, which is really fitting and also funny.

[@canebro1]

Thanks. I enjoy the developer commentary as much as the actual video :)

[@franklinllanes770]

They can be inconvenient, but I really enjoy the spread out resources all over the map, and the weird mineral patch shapes throughout the SC1 campaigns. Thumbs up!

[@onholyservicebound1415]

I like that you buffed the protoss gateway units, part of the appeal for me for real scale was playing the races as they are in the lore, in the lore the protoss has a TINY population compared to the other races, especially the zerg, Lorewise something like massing zealots and pouring them in to their doom is like a death sentence for the race lol You should be bulkier and more expensive, makes the races feel unique, Real scale zerg was always properly swarmy, but RS toss didn't feel as individually powerful as they do in lore

[@sergeykuznetsov4314]

Having to bait enemies into hunter killers is turning grant into a master baiter

[@unematrix]

heh heh "master baiter"

[@jedimindtrick3391]

Lol someone else beat me to it

[@danielgibson3422]

I hear that 34 hydras is the best number to bait into, the masters call it a rule.

[@danpitzer765]

Zerg MMM composition? That's how I played SC1! MutaMutaMuta!

[@Mahons]

That second mission is quite perfect just as Grant says that they are usually more aggressive, the enemy is loading up 5-7 drop ships just to drop them all at the same time. Also I have to say that the placement of Grants head was perfect throughout the video, since it basically looked like he had a zerg mohawk because of the command panel.

[@ONIscrooge]

I do like that the map had minerals all over the place. It really gives a point to Char being occupied for it's material wealth, even if it is a sweltering hell hole.

[@op4000exe]

What you didn't know, is that all of starcraft is actually a kabuki theatre. In reality the Zerg, Terrans, Protoss and even Amon are good friends, they're just making a highschool musical.

[@Kriegschwein]

Watching this video, I had a thought "Huh, Terran need some kind of AA with splash" And then, "Ah, they do get one"

[@nonya1366]

The duke cleverly simply staged his attack, saving his men, valueable materials, and himself from getting an asskicking.

[@franzluggin398]

Welcome to **mutalisk screech** - The Mission!

[@KaelDraykose]

Heroes scaling as the game progresses is always a fun idea, provided that they still need an army to support them, or they support the army, like in Warcraft 3.

[@iaNdaveNport.]

I never knew that Hunter killers were literally the size of a freaking goliath. Geez, those things are big.

[@sindrisuncatcher653]

In lore and most of the cinematics, a hydralisk stands like twice the height of a man, plus about fifteen feet of tail on the ground. And hunterkillers are the Heroic Scale version of those. Them snakey dudes be big.

[@NevermindThee]

Can't wait for the release. That's something I waited 25 years for, since playing good old Starcraft back in '98. I'm a lore guy and oh man, real scale SC1 campaign with SC2 controls no less - YES, PLEASE!!1!eleven

[@rexxthevaliant]

I like the scaling for heroes. It keeps them useful and allows you to use them in later missions for dps instead of making them a babysitting objective 24/7. Like ghost Kerrigan in Rebel Yell: yes her attack sucks but a +2 or +4 with level 2 upgrades feels better than her doing equal or less than 2-3 marines.

[@justaclock4768]

“Build more mutalisks to support my mutalisks”--Grant

[@DarkQuill]

Love that upgrades work on hero units. Devouring Ones getting up to 13 attack and 6 armor with the built-in Spawning Pool upgrades is disgustingly fun.

[@lewisvargrson]

I love how the Zerg UI makes Grant look like he has a spiked mohawk.

[@Flamewarden_Honoushugoshin]

@~13:00 yeah the reliance on hatcheries for production is impressively synergistic with the environmentally aesthetic resource deposits, the chaos of the swarm is fun!

[@Flamewarden_Honoushugoshin]

Also, kinda wild how early you get the SC1 queen, I always assume it's hive-tech, since dedicated casters for the Zerg feels like a late game thing, but then the Defiler exists so I guess the Queen really is the early-mid game caster, huh?

[@Flamewarden_Honoushugoshin]

Good lord I would hate to be a scientist working at that facility when 3 big ol' hunter killers come rampaging through...oh and "hero unit" Kerrigan too, I guess. Those are some spooky ramps though...

[@Seagull512]

Agent of the Swarm starts at 12:48 The Amerigo starts at 23:10 First restart at 27:37

[@trashpandapaladin8989]

Wow, I had no idea multitasking was so powerful.

[@Warclam]

5:50: "Damn, Jimmy, are those Vulture bikes?" "Not anymore, Tychus."

[@jordani_war]

17:38 "We definitely need more overloads here" Literally 1 second later: 2 Overloads just hatch

[@Sperber90]

Thank you for so many missions at once. Was a blast to watch.

[@Snowfireblues]

I think I like the kind of eco from Sc1. Idk why but it feels like a rich get richer in StarCraft 2, and it's such a liability too, which makes the game less about the armies and more about the eco harassment. Then again, I never really played Sc1 online so... I'm talking out my ass. Edit: The thing that sounds like a spider mine is the Consume ability. Dunno why they used that sound effect for Consume, especially when the animation and the unit death sound convey the idea well enough, but 🤷‍♀️

[@JimRaynorRaider]

It's that sound effect bc that how it was in sc1. They reused it for consume killing a Zerg unit

[@Snowfireblues]

@@JimRaynorRaider I know that much. I was actually wondering about why they did it in SC1, since the unit death sounds are comparatively a lot louder, and each unit has a unique death sound.

[@TheCuriousFan1]

I think heroes scaling with upgrades was removed with Heart of the Swarm because someone saw Kerrigan with full battlecruiser pants instead of marine level armour and decided that that was too much even for Heart of the Swarm Kerrigan.

[@Photoloss]

Have you seen Grant speedrun things with Primal Kerrigan? She probably could wear an entire Jackson's Revenge on each cheek and _still_ wouldn't be significantly more OP. Because the only thing which really threatens her to begin with is massed tank/thor fire backed up by a fleet of detectors.

[@professoremeryeetus5292]

I like hero upgrades because it allows you to take these OP versions of regular units and make them even better and then see how much they can do. What's annoying though is that in SC1, all attack upgrades for heroes only seem to increase damage by 1, even if it's for NORAD (50 attack) or Zeratul (100 attack).

[@GeoffronX]

The first mission is Grant learning why Corsairs and Valkyries exist :)

[@zswords]

10:42 "Okay Multitasks..." I will let you know that my brain didn't even realize a joke was being made because it just reshuffled multitask BACK into mutalisk.

[@misterwolf3817]

Imo The Overmind is best campaign in OG SC1, so seeing it getting a real scale really makes me happy

[@canebro1]

I'm less concerned about heroes scaling, and more don't want to have to either babysit the hero or leave them tucked in a corner. I like the idea that the hero with either re-spawn or be incapacitated.

[@vumasster]

The new dominion is filmed before a live studio audience [APPLAUSE]

[@TheMasterGeese]

I'll have five mutalisks, with five... more mutalisks.

[@RandomizerYevhen]

Will you do Randomizer Real Scale?

[@Taldaris]

Here's hoping, Grant goes for infested terrans, at least once, in real scale!

[@Neometalll]

Missed the chance during the 2nd one, it's the only pre brood war mission where you can get them.

[@Taldaris]

Yeah, here's hoping for the Kel-Morian/Korhal missions in BW.

[@Justadonkey]

Grant goes to war with an army of bedbugs

[@Mythmaker12687]

I love the idea of smaller mineral patches being sprinkled across the map. If there's one thing the SC2 campaign really failed at, it was making its map/base-building feel organic. It's so oversimplified they all practically put a sign up with "build here" written on it.

[@quickdraw6893]

Random little gold patches around the map would be interesting, though questionable if it would be worth sending workers out to get it. DPS is way higher in SC2 and bases can die pretty much instantly so building far away from central forces is a pretty risky move too.

[@francescognerre2408]

"What if they die to firebats instead" Could you think of any single more dishonorable end for your poor zerglings?

[@Znwarp]

I like the sedate pace of sc1, it means that a bad engagement isn't the end of you

[@Nekoyashiki-san]

Thanks for the funny zerg rush! ^^

[@ChaoticKey29912]

Grant really spoiling us with 3 missions in 1 video :)

[@metrick00]

I've always loved having units that are just "Special". Things like Hunter Killers and the special marine armor you find in games like Hyperion Crew. Treating the heroes as just a special variant of the base units is something that I love. (Though the whole mortality issue has never truly been resolved, I have had some ideas...)

[@inductivegrunt94]

When in doubt, throw Mutas at the enemy. Peak Zerg Strategy since 1999. Also Big Muta Energy with Mutas as support is the correct way to play Zerg before Brood War.

[@SeriousApache]

Unburrowed sound of spider mine is consume. Before you asked, yes, consume in SC1 does use spider mine sound for some reasons.

[@Ottriman]

Heroes scaling with upgrades is fun in a simple hero system where they're just particularly strong units. However if they already have leveling up and inventories like in Warcraft 3 then it feels like too much piled onto the heroes.

[@daddysempaichan]

Thinking about it, SC2's Eco is better for Multiplayer due to how slow it is, namely the gas, and how you need to spend double the minerals and supply to get roughly 25% more gas income compare to SC1. This makes teching up and affording higher tech units and upgrades harder on one base economy, and if you want higher tech units and upgrades, you better expand and put yourself out there for the other player or players. It means any one base aggression will have to be mineral heavy and let's the game designers know generally which game state a unit should come online, early mid or late game, and balance the unit according to what they should be facing in that stage of the game, and that there should(generally) be a way to counter whatever's going on with your build. But in Singleplayer, SC1's Eco is better because you aren't trying to fight over 12 bases spread evenly throughout the map or denying enemy expansions. Usually, they give you 2 bases, 3 if you're lucky, and 4 if you're winning, and tell you to go blow up or fight an enemy that has like, 3 times the amount of dudes and dudettes and buildings that you, as a single player, could ever build. And so this faster economy you have let's you be more aggressive earlier on and actually let you play the game. It's great for Singleplayer, especially with the simplistic mission design of "blow up all the buildings" and "kill X", but bad for multiplayer as it makes the early game more volatile, due to cheeses going online faster and being harder to stop because you have 3 extra workers mining minerals and not having to pay for another gas extractor. One thing I will say, I like the campaign maps in SC1 than in SC2. Like the SC2 mission plays better and has more variety than SC1 missions, but the SC1 maps feels more like real places in universe than SC2, especially with the way resources are place throughout, with mineral fields being actual fields and how Gas Geysers tendency to be in the middle of nowhere. And the large amount of island bases and objectives on islands that, if you want a ground unit there, you have to build a transport. Idk, it's just, it feels like you're actually thinking and creating strategy's and plans on how to do this task as opposed to the feeling of the hand of the developer guiding you to the correct solution. Might just be me.

[@glenmcgillivray4707]

Starcraft 1 like many games in its era was based around exploring a world and fighting a battle. Starcraft two is they give you a kitset and ask you to solve a problem. They feel very different as a result.

[@XenoNeltharion]

Is it just me or does the placement of him with the zerg command screen in the background make it look like he's got a sick spiky mohawk?

[@josiahkendall4492]

11:05 What program do you use to write scrips? Most text editing soft wares let you add words to their internal dictionaries. Assuming you want to of coarse.

[@emmettraymond8058]

Amazing multitasking on this one.

[@Rosfuture]

Does anybody else get a little laugh from the new haircut the ui is giving to Grant? He kinda looks like a Zabrak ^^

[@QuestionableObject]

On the kerrigan hatching mission I always parasited the drop ships and they scout the map for me lol

[@hypotheticalaxolotl]

26:00 that was the Consume sound effect.

[@aarend5168]

I unno if I just missed it but what happened with the marauders campaign? Is it gonna continue sometime?

[@DasianSensation]

Isn't there a mission in Terran Brood War where you capture like 12 or 14 battle cruisers? That is going to be NUTS when you get to it.

[@EMDakka]

im guessing that one will get downed to 2-3 BCs.

[@heimcrab7556]

Noticed on the second mission played here that the lair has the reactor double training bit that it has in Real Scale HotS, so it could actually train two overlord upgrades at once. Is that intentional, given queens are spawned from larva in this game?

[@PeterZaitcev]

Oh, I feel you multitask! Have the same issue with the investing Infestors.

[@kasothronos4434]

Grant, Hatcheries have double production on them! This is due to Starcraft 2 and how you're allowed to build two queens at ones for maximum swarming! Meaning your research rate is doubled here and you spend... extra money... on something you had...

[@denysmikhail]

The only sad thing about zerg Kerrigan in the first one scales terrable with attack upgrades gaining a damage to her base 50 each melee upgrade...

[@garethantle9318]

Friendship ended with Kerrigan, hunter killers are my new best friend

[@prototypeCorruptor]

If I'm not mistaken, the spider mine sound you were hearing is Kerrigan autocasting consume on your lings.

[@prototypeCorruptor]

Oh you got there 3 seconds after I posted comment, lmao

[@TheUberjammer]

First the moon landing, now the dominion mission...

[@vidimirrayne]

@ 5:13 you say you need those minerals? Maybe, daresay, crave them? GiantGoatGames, everyone...

[@Santisima_Trinidad]

I like the idea of Heros scaling with Unit specific upgrades, potentially from more than 1 unit type. Example might be kerrigan getting attack speed from adrenal, movement speed from muscular augments, and then armour from chitinenous (is that in SC1? I have no idea). You can get all the upgrades that benfit the hero and balance your composition around that, or you could trade a weaker hero for not having to grab that tech. I personally don't particularly enjoy the generic attack and armour upgrades, esspecially in starcraft, so I'm not really a fan of the hero scaling with them. If you are implementing the hero benfits from unit specific upgrades one then that somewhat solves the potential issue of the hero being overpowered early game. Complete alternative is having a hero specific attack and armour upgrade, possibly on the main base rather than the upgrade structure. Allows them to scale without overly encouraging a particular composition.

[@jedimindtrick3391]

I don't recall there being a battle cruiser in the first map.. interesting.

[@Navrable]

``She's infested, stay away from her' '.........................great advice Doc, as if dudes were about to run up to Kerrigan and shake her hand?

[@BesfrenOnlinegamerz]

I wonder if it is plausible to see a REVERSE Real Scale Mass Recall like the REVERSE campaigns in SC2 made as well?

[@QuestionableObject]

You don't usually get scourge on this mission but you also don't usually have a battlecruiser on this map

[@viviisqueen7899]

Yoooooo those firebats at 26:20 are sus

[@edpistemic]

Where can I play all the GGG SC2 real scale mods? On the Campaigns tab in SC2 I can only see the first 3 or 4 missions of WOL...

[@alchin95]

The Multitasks are strong in this one...

[@jawnjang8131]

26:14 that wasn't a spider mine, it was the sound of Kerrigan's Consume triggering because it's on autocast and you had just done two Ensnares back to back EDIT: now i see you actually address it later on, my bad!

[@retloclive9118]

My only issue with hero scaling was how it felt so pointless sometimes. Like how Zeratul's attack goes from 100 to...100+3. Like, why?

[@Leonhardt04]

you should get a mod that green screens out all the unit portraits so you can put your cam footage in the portrait box

[@tanaflameheart8883]

hey might i ask where do you get mass recall?

[@manolgeorgiev9664]

Holy crap, those Hunter Killers look insane when scaled up compared to Kerrigan.

[@JessWLStuart]

Has Real Scale fixed it's math problem yet (where it rounded down damage before adding, instead of after adding)?

[@QuestionableObject]

Why is Kerrigan SO small we see in SC2 that a zergling comes up to her knee

[@vinyamar5674]

How can we play this mod?

[@voltaire9176]

Is mass recall on the discord?

[@ValtheJean]

I think WC3 did heroes best. They get a natural upgrade system through items and levels, and so they don't force you into any particular army tech.

[@Saren-yc1rk]

So unlike real scale Wings of Liberty - those Mutalisks aren't made of tissue paper.

[@Shegin]

I would say sc2 economy was developed in fine way. But then the game was made x1.5-2 speed so nobody could ever get bored... and then LotV start made things even more wild so here we are.

[@EllipticalReasoning]

1:15 I'm pretty sure that's the meta in competitive ZvZ

[@SquintyGears]

I think the economy is better in SC2, it makes the game harder to have to expand but when you compare WoL ladder games to current ladder games it's a very clear improvement. For campaign play or coop it's more fun if you don't have to really focus on that part and in that case SC:BW is better.

[@luckylarry71]

Lol, how are Reavers (or really any AI opposition in SC1) scary when you can make Mutas xD? On top of that, the Tassadar mission is also when you unlock Guardians = free nukes

[@grapphiiczak]

muta and muta then tech into muta sounds like me circa 98 when i was 5 playing this new game called starcraft

[@Photoloss]

I like the abstract concept of heroes scaling with upgrades, but I don't see much potential with the vanilla pool of upgrades in Starcraft. Having to research both Hallucination and Psi Storm for Tassadar would be *UTTERLY TERRIBLE* and mere attack+armour upgrades aren't really significant enough on a single elite unit. Meanwhile if we could upgrade the Arch/Bloodmage with Arcane Sentry or the Dread/Crypt Lord with Cannibalize that would be a fun utility gimmick at least in PvE.

[@Gunthersby]

I guess in that last mission the game is really Ramping Up its difficulty!

[@petrowegynyolc7108]

1:30 am I smelling a gas-only challenge?

[@SuperZero42]

Grant is definitely the first person to do the Multitask joke and nobody ever read "Mutalisk" as "multitask" before him ever. ...

[@sar_ptolemy]

why not put the facecam in between the timer and control groups, the map buttons are not that important

[@erothrenmacarfime1981]

In the base game the ai atacks are so vioment. I wonder why here isn't. Hears digital cracking of fingers...

[@cancerguy5435]

I think heroes scaling with attack upgrades is fine, but armor upgrades are way too strong, at least when it comes to starcraft. 5 armor pretty much makes kerrigan with mend invulnerable.

[@BesfrenOnlinegamerz]

Place the video of yourself a little to the left so we can also see the images of the units or structures

[@paragonvice1128]

I think Starcraft II is better in terms of design for its economy. You're naturally encouraged to expand more and more which demands you engage with your opponent as they naturally expand themselves. It's not perfect, and in practise it's rare that games end up with you stealing your opponent's resources unless you're doing some cheese strategy, but it's trying.

[@Cobra100]

hero scaling makes sense with zerg because its evolution. in general I'm meh about the idea.

[@resee9856]

Kerrigan is NOT smaller than a marine or a firebat. We have seen her in cinematics, her scale is not accurate in this mod.

[@Thyranel]

Woho second!!!! And god morning from sweden

[@Stalker_x2]

My life for AIUR

[@Eantrin]

Jimmy's boys heard you talk shit, Grant. Had to prove you wrong all at once

[@Kai-K]

REAL SCALE MASS RECALL: MULTITASK EPISODE (kinda) (not really)