New 24oz Titanium GRAYL Gets Two Big Changes!

[@Radtradslim]

I use the grayl with nesting cup. So as an experiment with my 12 year old daughter. I shocked our pool with a large amount of chlorine. The next day we took two samples of water one we ran thru or grayl the other straight from pool. We took both samples to pool store for testing. The grayl filtered pool water lowered all chemicals well below max safety drinking limits.😊

[@gideonstactical]

Very cool!!

[@Meme-qd2oj]

Can you test it before the chlorine? The chlorine knocked out everything,

[@Radtradslim]

@@Meme-qd2oj Sure can my goal was to see if it can actually filter chemical/chlorine not bacteria. It’s hard to find filters that are portable to actually filter chems.

[@Meme-qd2oj]

@@Radtradslim In WWI before antibiotics, chlorine bleach was used to drip onto injuries and it saved many limbs it’s so good at killing viruses, bacteria, etc. I’ve changed my mind about chlorine, believing it to be another lie we’ve all been told.

[@eyeofthetiger4184]

G'day Joshua, what a fantastic activity to do with your daughter. I get the impression there's some solid parenting going on here, ...... never know, the next Marie Currie, ....... in any case, good on ya mate and thanks for the info !!! Cheers Duke..

[@smoakie976]

It would be nice if you could just get the titanium cup by itself to work with the plastic geopress that I already have.

[@AndreFavron]

An excellent comparison review Aaron. (A quick observation: not only did the ding marks not affect pressing but you were still able to press it down even with the air-bleeding "drinking" cap on.) I have been studying the Grayl Geo-Ti for the last few days finalizing my actual purchase set-up and you have been TRULY helpful with this video. Thank you. After watching this video I have decided that the "safest" set-up is actually the original GeoPress and a Toaks Ti 750ml pot (with bail). As much as the Grayl was not defeated by the drop tests, those were not the worst drops that can happen (Murphy's law) and there was an effect on the cup. I think I will keep the actual Grayl unit prioritized for filtering and a separate unit for boiling. Again, very helpful and thank you for the effort you invested for my education.

[@wouterstorms]

I got an regular ultra press and it works fine, so no issues with the filtration part of it, but I am concerned about using the dirty water cup as coffee cup. Yes you boil, but you also might collect several days of nasties first.... I think I'll stick with a separate cup for cooking and drinking, especially as you need to keep canister and stove somewhere anyway. Might as well be inside the cup

[@gideonstactical]

Totally understand

[@ssos4540]

The cooking in the dirty cup is my concern as well, especially because the boiling takes care of the water but not the nastiness on the container higher than the water

[@marcomaiano]

Exactly my thought

[@bobinmontana777]

Free for you, $219.00 for the rest of us. Glad you did the dent test, that was my concern. However, it is unknown for sure if dent contamination could occur, depending on the placement/size of a dent. But for the money, I’ll stick with my nesting cup the Grayl fits in.

[@davidhawkins847]

Since it claims to be a Purifier and not just a filter, I would expect it to be $200+

[@etiennerochon62]

@@davidhawkins847but a normal Grayl purifier is 100$, that mean 100$ more for the titanium cup. I know titanium is expensive but 100-125$ ?

[@garypotter5569]

​@@davidhawkins847 I agree!

[@konakcc]

@@davidhawkins847 You want to tell me the difference, LOL. a Purifier IS a filter. I would love to see a lab report that shows how much better it really is.

[@davidhawkins847]

@konakcc Yes, a Purifier is a filter, but a filter IS NOT a Purifier. There are specifications that must be met in order to be classified as a purifier. As I recall, and I may have the sizes wrong, the primary bug removal for filters and purifiers are cysts, bacteria, and viruses. Most Filters handle down to .1 micron, which only covers the first 2. A certified purifier can remove or kill all 3. That's the difference between a $20 Filter and a $200 Purifier. Now, the question is whether you need a Purifier? Supposedly most of North America is virus free, except some questionable sources like a beaver pond. Also, you could opt for a secondary method if worried about contaminants like bleach, etc. But these take time to work. For example it's usually recommended to wait 30 minutes to 4 hours for water you have treated with one of the chemical methods depending on temperature and suspected contamination level.

[@James-ke5sx]

One thing I learned in life whenever a company comes up with a brand new product you should always wait for the next version after they get feedback from the community and they make modifications.

[@gideonstactical]

Not a bad idea

[@tjaller]

I think this is already the next version since the Ti Ultrapress has been on the market for quite a while now

[@Xtariz]

I have the Grayl as a backup... My city's water supply broke and the people were urged to cook or buy water... many of the stores here were out of water... while I was just using Grayls all day for a week... You never know when disasters happens... I think Grayl is perfect water bottle for backup prepping and for travel... or when you go out camping on a longer trip where your water source are unsure

[@LVTHN69]

I guess the deciding factor for me to purchase the 24oz titanium would be "do I want it as a cook kit or solely for filtering and purifying water?" I would "not" buy this as an all in one "cook kit" for useing the boiling water for coffee dehidrated meals, etc, although the option is still there if it is needed. Instead, I would use it mainly to gather and purify water. 1.gather dirty water with a milbank bag and then boil it. 2. Let it cool off and filter it through the press. I would also bring a "separate" cooking container such as a small kettle, cup, pot, etc. That is how I would use it anyway. It would be more along the lines of a normal grayl with a nesting cup.

[@markashlock9017]

I think the Grayl is a great purifier/filter. That being said, the Titanium concerns me. Seems like even a “small” dent could allow nasties to slip by the cartridge gasket, especially considering the amount of force and pressure involved. Thanks for the vid. I was really curious how much it would take to dent the Ti, and the answer is not much. Think I’ll stick with the original with my Pathfinder nesting cup. Great Vid!

[@lucemfert4693]

The dent will make water escape out of the cup and not going through the filter inside the clean water compartment. So you will have in the worst case an innefective leaky pump but not contaminated water.

[@Tamahagane71]

I had the Ultra-Ti and my main concern was the loose cap unlike the Geo i have! Got that super deal they have running with some titanium cookware, I love it! Good review dude ;-)

[@ancientpathseeker6036]

I use the plastic grayl geo press...it'll store 1/2 literally of water...and I carry a 1 literally smart water bottle. I use a toaks titanium 550ml potand put my canister stove, fuel, lighter, and small shampoo wow cloth inside...and use the sea2summit folding silicone cup for the lid....fits tight and nothing falls out of the pot.

[@darthblade2016]

I like the idea of making the Grayl purifiers in Ti and will possibly pick one up in the future, but that is definitely a lot of money. I already have a regular Geopress for camping to pair with my Pathfinder nesting cup, along with the Ultrapress for daily use.

[@6bluestrings]

Good info, thank you. Grayl has been on my radar for a while. I do much less hiking/camping these days. I'm gearing more for s h t f scenario and so I'm leaning toward the orig geopress. I would like to see a torture test on the orig. Thanks again.

Pressing is easier if the cap is open ✨ One way to check filter degradation is to blow air throught it. When the filter is new, no air passes through. Ref: I've been using the plastic one daily for years.

[@eyeofthetiger4184]

G'day Aaron, I do think It'll make sense for a lotta folks. Personally, I'm always gonna carry a separate SS wide mouth bottle and mug combo along side the original, all bases are covered in terms of more water on board as well as boiling/cooking at the same time. And still covers those survival type attributes; char cloth, digging implement and such You do lose the see through/opaque qualities and the bright colors with this one, if those matter to you. Bottom line; I reckon its a good option, though dont think its worth the purchase if you already have one. Cheers Duke. P.S. I reckon the drop test was indicative of what might be reasonably expected to happen, mind you, I could also see it ending up a lot worse, or multiple dings over time. Yes the seal/gasket has a certain amount of elasticity, though we are talk'n microns here, the whole point of the design to start with.

[@renwalter3232]

The silicone valve does not keep water out of the filter. I intended to keep the plug in the filter so that I can use the water bottle daily and have the filter in reserve in case I needed it. Nope, within a couple of days the filter was completely soaked. I contacted GRAYL, they sent me a new silicone plug. I had to purchase another filter and got the same result. Just wanted to give everybody a heads up in case anybody had the same idea as me.

[@xderiwx]

That's interesting. Isn't that the whole reason for that valve? Bad batch of valves perhaps? I have seen comments from others who said they use the bottle in the fashion you described, but never seen anyone say that the water made it into the filter.

[@xvillin]

I can see how it wouldn't really actually work. The capillary action of the tiny valves seats, with the head pressure of any liquid sitting on it, would eventually compromise the seal.

[@ronjohnson8816]

Can you use it as a waterbottle (if you remove the purifier) so that you can use it all the time (even off trail) to help justify the cost.

[@ManInTheWoods76]

My kit: Regular non-metal Geo-press and a sock that nestles a metal bottle, titanium spoon and a cut down soup can with holes and my homemade fuel tabs inside. Gives me the whole gambit.

[@Scribblescrabbly]

Ohh that’s a beautiful backdrop!

[@miconn69]

With my Stanley pot, I fill the CUP with water, then transfer to the pot for boiling. Saves waste while guessing how much water to pour.

[@miconn69]

I have a couple of Ultrapresses and Geopresses, two Ti Ultras, one Ti Geo, and the PF cup. All in all, I prefer the regular Geo and PF SS cup. I grab that one over all the others. I dont know why, maybe because its separate from my filter. Maybe its because I can replace the cup. Maybe its because I dont like setting the filter down when using the cup to boil. I dont know. I just prefer the SS cup. FYI, the PF SS cup will nest inside the smaller PF cup and bottle stove. Heavy? Yes, but very functional. On the other hand, I could see using the 750ml Ti cup to house your butane canister and stove as well. 🤷 lot's of options here.

[@mrroboto18]

Grayl doesn't have much use backpacking as chemicals are typically not a concern, a sawyer filter and titanium pot are way lighter, cheaper, will last a lifetime if taken care of, and are more versatile. Elsewhere - the initial cost is about $0.88 per liter, and $0.13 per liter for replacement filters. So you would have to filter well over 1000 liters to approximate the cost of just buying purfied water by the gallon, or the entire first filter of 250 liters if buying single liter bottles. Also it takes over an hour of your time to press through the 250 liters, so that adds to the cost as well. Best use case - you are using it somewhere that doesn't have bottled water available, and has contaminated water sources. Then it makes a lot of sense.

[@lucemfert4693]

To avoid cross contamination I will never use the same cup tu put unfiltered water and to cook it. So I will take the lighter cheaper plastic bottle and a larger titanium cup to put around (even if it is not a perfect fit, you can make it do by filling the gap with a piece of cleaning sponge) where the cooking and drinking will happen.

[@gregorybigeni9457]

Hi, with the grayl Ti being titanium on the inside and the outer cup does it keep cold water cooler for longer acting like a double walled flask.

[@disabledcamperhardnocks8068]

Question: Will using just the cup after filtering some water. Will the food be contaminated.

[@gideonstactical]

Yes unless you boil the water first

[@quantumbacon]

If you filter the water to use in cooking, you still need another container to decant the water to, then you need to clean the bottom of the grayl before decanting the water back. or does that 1 way valve allow you to remove the top part with your clean water inside??

[@gideonstactical]

Yes, you can completely disassemble if you wish.

[@quantumbacon]

@@gideonstactical ah but if you remove the inner with water still in it, do you lose the clean water, or can you still use that to drink the filtered water from, while using the bottom titanium for boiling at the same time. Or does the water fall out if you lift the inner with water inside. I have only ever seen people drinking/pouring with the outer and inner attached together.

[@NZComfort]

Enjoyed the vid! Great job as always man! Hope things are going well, be safe and God bless.

[@gideonstactical]

Thanks! You too!

[@jayrobinson5444]

I'm thinking food residue. Did you have any issues with contaminants interfering with the cartridge?

[@gideonstactical]

No, but I did not cook inside it only boil water. That’s really what it’s designed to for coffee, tea, and dehydrated meals. If you want to make soup inside the pot, you just need to clean it really well.

[@williamcoffman7149]

id bought the origonal grayl ti setup a year ago and it's been a nice setup, but wish i would have waited for the 24oz setup now..both are the same price currently...would only use it for boiling water and not doing any food prep, ill leave that to the 32oz pathfinder stainless steel id also bought from grayl...perfect for making the meals on the go.....i wonder how the regular grayl works in nasty 3rd world country water...

[@jquantum23]

Did i miss it? Does the Toaks nest nicely with grayl similar to stainless steel cup?

[@gideonstactical]

Yes, it does a good job. It’s a little too big for the grill. The stainless steel is snugger.

[@trikstar198]

Out of curiousity, what comes of the contaminated water that rests above the fill line once you dip the cup? Surely I can't use this as a cup after I press it as the water goes into my bottle fine, but the cup remains contaminated 🤔 ?

[@gideonstactical]

Yes, the outer cup is contaminated unless you boil water it once you boil water in it it’s good to go again.

[@THENEWWRANGLER]

Hi carry one of those with me all the time I love those titanium grails . I use it in the Philippines too when i am there

[@Adin100]

I dont know what it is with water filters, but i always have an itch to buy them

[@James-ke5sx]

I have the older style with the flat screw on lid that doesn't have a spout. That alone might save a bit of weight. I asked the company if I could use food grade silicone lubricant on the O-rings every once in awhile just to keep them fresh and slippery and they said it was okay. The lubrication makes it easier to press down and helps to provide a better seal. If the drop test produces a small ding what would happen if it was in the side pocket of a heavy backpack that fell over with the weight of the backpack added to the force. Especially if it's 40lb+ of weight crushing it. Also did you do the drop test with water inside full weight.

[@gideonstactical]

Yes 👍

[@medic58]

Really great information Aaron thanks again.

[@gideonstactical]

My pleasure!

[@KenLovell75]

Great video man, thank you. The one issue that’s causing me to consider returning it, is not being able to grab the handle after heating up my water. My MSR system nests the canister and pocket rocket in a cup with a rubber ring but also a sweet little clamp pot handle. Is it true that you need gloves on this GRAYL?

[@gideonstactical]

I would say yes you need some sort of a little cloth or gloves to grab it out of the fire

[@KenLovell75]

@@gideonstactical not out of the fire, that I get… I’m talking off of a cooking stove.

[@johndenny3607]

Does the new grayl fit the bottle lock pack?

[@gideonstactical]

Yes, it is a small ever so slightly small diameter than the polymer geopress

[@goldenhealer5645]

Is this a new version of the Ti or is it the same Ti that they have had out for awhile?

[@14ederan]

Every time I buy a Grayl they come out with a better version! But, they’re all great.

[@renexwing1546]

Superb Video. Love my Grail Stuff

[@mattt9318]

Great video. What is that watch you are wearing with the silver face? And do you like it?

[@gideonstactical]

amzn.to/4diw8Yr here is the link. It’s a Casio illuminator and I love it. Had it for a year or so.

[@mattt9318]

Awesome thanks! God bless

[@clintonlewis1261]

Looks like a good one !

[@jameywhynott3838]

Has the company mentioned titanium producing fumes when heated?

[@gideonstactical]

No, not sure that’s an issue

[@jameywhynott3838]

@gideonstactical it's called titanium ethanolate vapor, watch for headache fatigue low grade fever of a sudden onset just an FYI

[@texanalphalegionare]

Is it lighter?

[@gideonstactical]

Lighter than what?

[@elizabeththompson4424]

it's so good I can't afford it!

[@vzmichael]

Taste. Grayl water tastes good.

[@kayakangle]

Found this through Instagram ads. Having a hard time justifying price. I have acquired some nice high end gear over the years but not this time. It just doesn't do enough to replace what I currently use for that price

[@Meme-qd2oj]

Of the three of us in our family, one got the 24 oz Grayl Titanium, new one, one got a water bladder purifier and due to the outrageous costs of the filters when they’re not out of stock (the bag filters 4700 gallons, the Grayl there, only 65 gallons, great if you don’t use it). I’m going with chlorine and filter bag, similar to city water.

[@gideonstactical]

I don’t know if I’ve ever seen the filters out of stock. You are correct that it is low amount would be great if they could double the pressing power before you need to change out the filter, but that’s 65 days of a gallon a day I wish I could be on trail for that long. I will be shocked if most people filter 20 gallons worth of water per season. Easily three years between cartridge changes.

[@Meme-qd2oj]

@@gideonstactical In retrospect I haven’t been able to find filters for the bags but assumed same for Grayl filter. Oh I sure hope we all don’t have to be on a trail or out there out of necessity rather than choice. You know survival theory, 5-10 C’s as a rule, water purification being at the top (hence the container for boiling water). I look at the Grayl filter as a luxury-it IS very convenient. Now that I think about it, you still have the Grayl container to boil and woven cotton being best fiber in the (scientific) papers to filter so you really have the best of both worlds there-think I’ll delete my original comment-I just talked myself into a Grayl! Sorry Aaron-think I spoke too soon. 😬

[@jackharper3190]

My dear American friends, if you get a standard issue Canteen with a nesting cup you pay a fraction of such a filter. Ohh, I understand! in a non permissive environment under cover you can't boil water on an open fire, correct? Hopefully you're dreams come true soon.

[@longrider42]

Yep, not to mention Petrochemicals.

[@gideonstactical]

Ok 🤷

[@papajeff5486]

$220 bucks for the Grayl, $40 bucks for a Sawyer, enough said.

[@3nertia]

Apples to Oranges. The Sawyer is a filter, not a purifier. The Grayl will purify water, which includes viruses which the Sawyer will not. The Grayl is probably over priced though

[@eyeofthetiger4184]

G'day mate, well, roughly half that price for the original Grayl. Anyway, the reason I've never bought a Sawyer, (or Life Straw, or similar), is there's no activated carbon element, nor does it carry water, without their bag anyway, which does come at an extra cost. Yes depends where you go, and those "filter" elements will last way longer, but hey man, ever seen rotting animal carcasses, mining, logging and such, way up in them thar hills ? There's also things like algae blooms, bushfire reside, acid rain, blah blah, but I dont know enough to comment on those specifically, ..... except to say they aint good either ; ). Personally, I'd just rather pay extra to not get crook way out in the sticks. Its only happened to me once, but that was once too many ; ) To be honest, it was not a life threatening illness .........in itself, (as it turned out), more about ......ironically ...... dehydration ; ) I'm sure you know where that comes from ; ) and together with the other debilitating aspects that limit your physical and mental capacity to get out of strife, ....... I'd suggest ..... just cough up the extra moolah to start with and take clean water 99% -ish out of the equation ; ) ......... just gotta find it, ........ but that may well be a whole nother story ; ) Hava good one mate. Cheers Duke.

[@garypotter5569]

I am very disappointed with the quality of a Ti container that can't take a casual drop from two feet(!) There are some serious quality control issues with this item.

[@bdcochran01]

1. thank you. great review. 2. I no longer hike/camp out. However what you present are excellent options. 3. At the very low end, a person can make a UN solar set up with a 2 liter bottle. However it does not filter out muck or process salt water. If you do the 2 two liter pop bottle set up, it purifies and filters. But you wouldn't use the set up on a hike or camp out.

[@henryvandeventer2457]

Honestly, i think it's way too expensive vs other options (says the guy that just got his, owns the Ultra Ti, 3 Geopresses and 3 Ultras + 5 reserve filters each). You can get a Geo + a decent cook kit for $60 to $80 cheaper. Is it as compact an convenient, no but it is cheaper. If you can afford it, I'd say soend the extra money and get this over a regular Geo, if not get yourself a surplus canteen and canteen cup and build a cook kit around that. I do like the options you provided and i agree, the nesting cup is a fantastic option. This works great on the Pocket Rocket/2 stove but i found that it's a bit narrow on most solid fuel (Hex tab) collapsible stoves.

[@gideonstactical]

Nice! Yes I high all that in the weight to value portion,

[@henryvandeventer2457]

​@@gideonstacticalYup, it's philosophy of use. As you said, if you count every Oz, this is a worthwhile investment.

[@josephg.3370]

👍

[@mikegrimm2253]

Just received mine, treated myself to it for Christmas. Opened it up and was checking it out and to my dismay what was stamped on the bottom was disappointing. Made in China, I just spent $200+ on this thing and it’s Chinese. Grayl should be ashamed. Nowhere is it mentioned that this a foreign product.

[@kentonsoufal6340]

I find it very hard to drop 200 bucks on that

[@markjordan4916]

Drop it so you get a dent on the side BELOW the fill line.

[@gideonstactical]

Does not matter the seal has to go past the dent. I think for those people who are on the fence improves that it doesn’t affect the functionality for those people who are going to find an issue no matter what, no matter of testing will convince them.

[@markashlock9017]

I disagree! I wanted the Ti to be all that and a bad of chips!!! The point is, that it seems obvious that if there is a dent that the cartridge gasket has to navigate, with the amount of pressure involved, there is a pretty good chance some nasties will sneak by. I’M NOT SAYING you won’t be able to press by the dent, just that expect some uninvited visitors to come along for the ride. Can’t believe more people aren’t concerned about this. Just appreciate you demonstrating how easy this can happen. Thanks!!!

[@konakcc]

I get concerned by companies using Titanium as a marketing term. If you check a materials website, CP4 Type 1 is an industrial material, not commercial or designed for food. Titanium dioxide (TiO2) is the type of titanium that is best for food grade. Read up on stuff before you buy it. Secondly, it has to be overpriced if they are now offering a dish set with any press purchase. Its made in China so who knows if it is even really CP4 Type 1. If Grayl wants to send me one to test, I will look at it, otherwise I pass.

[@tacticalcenter8658]

I dont want plastic touchingy water. No thanks

[@alpine1600s]

Titanium. More expensive and heavier than aluminum. Vote Titanium today!🤦‍♂️🤣

[@panagiotissoufliotis6558]

220 is a fair price if your wallet is thick like a brick....

[@derekmiles6673]

Easily dented will compromise filtering period, makes this not to be trusted, period.

[@gideonstactical]

We’ll have to disagree, but to each their own.