Gilles Deleuze and Felix Guattari, "The Desiring Machines”

[@michaelsoftinc]

Thanks so much for this lecture! I'm a grad student in political theory doing an independent study on Lacan and Deleuze and have been slowly struggling through Anti-Oedipus. This is an immense help!

[@douglaspackard3515]

I loved this lecture, I'm reading Anti-Oedipus myself right now and this was really helpful in making sense of the bigger picture, the beginning of the text is tough going!

[@andrejjovicevic7433]

Feel free to join our Anti-Oedipus reading group on discord.gg/j2AkMsY. We are just in the middle of reading section 4 of chapter 1

[@douglaspackard3515]

@@andrejjovicevic7433 I'm part of it already :)

[@michellesu1742]

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[@warlocksmiling4586]

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[@mttwmacneil]

Would love to join as well

[@FrankBlazquez]

I observed my friend from childhood enter schizophrenia at the ages of 19 to 21. This friend of mine has a profound case of schizophrenia, to the point where he would undress himself in public. But when I look back, those particular schizophrenic episodes did not seem to negatively affect his ability to achieve self preservation. He was completely unaware of another person's reaction to his actions. As an artist now at the age of 33, I am almost envious of his ability to shut out the reactions and critiques of all the humans that enter his social sphere. He does not care what he does or says, and he has never done anything violent to anybody-a trait that also demonstrates an innate machine of checks and balances residing in his unique mental process. It makes sense that schizophrenia attaches itself to conversations relating to post-modern expression etc.

[@curtsiburrowes4065]

In the schizo realm, as long as one lives in a place of the mind and not simply of experience in and of itself - potentially what is of the attempt in pursuing enlightenment in the mystical sense, one is still in the prison of an alternative structure, possibly some amalgamation of mythic stories, all kinds of things. And you're all alone. Probably the worst part of analyzing from the outside is the focus on what happens with the mind and not without the mind. What shines through without, you can't possibly know it without experiencing it. Things happen in a really weird, surreal ways to lead you to certain conclusions. And most of what Deleuze focuses on is the part of the mind and desire. Although from time to time I can experience a kind of synchrophrenia and I can transmit it in some kind of flow state transmission like a live spontaneous channeling tear jerking musical ballad one might overcome by in a rapturous feeling but instead I can share these experiences or least the current can transmit what's really underneath the words. People are so stupefied and lost in a matrix of symbols, they can't even fathom experiences such as this. At least in the West. And to all those utterly trying to rationalize and storify these experiences, we're still seen as lunatics. So fucking idiotic they think "God" experiences are totally just disorders of thinking when they are 1st based in experiences which then one tries to reason and share and in this, this trying to put into words is what you reduce it to. Fuck ideology. Fuck theists. Fuck atheists. Experience is beyond is. It is a totally different kind of prison because at least in your prison, other people are with you, 99% of people In our prison it can be absolutely horrible and horrifying and disgusting. In your prison you think your you. You is all you experience. The irony is you've been schizmed this whole time, it's just covered up by stories. That's the enlightenment project to keep covering it up with symbols. Human project really. We're all just hiing being. if you don't break through, your caught both in your own prison that likely even no one tries to or could actually understand unless they were schizophrenic and your still caught in oedipal prison too. I say this from experience. You truly want it? Go take some datura until you break your thinking machine. Go see shadow people, elves, horrible things in your head. Lose control of your body your thoughts. Experience what your friend experienced and everyone around you be afraid of you and give up on you. Lie in a pile of your own shit and lie in a pile of your own self hatred. It's unlikely by the way your friend even remembers or totally experienced doing these things. They probably weren't even entirely there. It's like being hijacked by a dream or a nightmare. 😉 I think somewhere in South America, there are even still datura practitioners. There also is no breaking through or some end or going from being schizmed to not. It is a lifetime project to just try to bring something back useful not no more psychosis. You have to give up everything to live a life of purpose with these experiences. It is most often a death sentence and lifetime of suffering. People that come back just come back to this realm. To actually be able to go into these states and interact in this realm and "produce" in a way with those experiences is another thing entirely. Idk this is a hypomanic rant

[@curtsiburrowes4065]

Don't take this personally. I'm also commenting on some of the video as well as this. And venting generally. As horrible and as horrifying and as likely as it is to completely ruin you, I am still for creating a world and the conditions by which we can all escape the oedipal condition and become schizophrenic. Probably still have to go into the depths of hell and horror but come out the other side not lie there and suffer for the remainder of your life, hating yourself and suppressing everything.

[@danieljliverslxxxix1164]

@@curtsiburrowes4065 That is idiotic and dangerous. You sound like an utter moron.

[@anhumblemessengerofthelawo3858]

See a hypnotist. Receive suggestions you care no longer what others think of you. And in deep trance, let that suggestion sink deep into your unconscious mind. Done, it becomes automatic. Receive suggestions from time to time from your hypnotist, say bi-weekly, until it becomes quite permanent. If there is a real issue preventing these simple suggestions from occurring, you can do deeper hypno-analytic work.

[@theeskatelife]

thank you so much for underlying and circling the words on the board when you talk about them. its very enlightening

[@jeremygold933]

Love the lecture, need more context on the hair

[@sltfilho]

Jeremy Gold I saw the hair and I instantly knew TIS GON B GOOD

[@jeremygold933]

@@sltfilho It is good

[@rmbrown5736]

i think the hairs rad

[@oqihouqiop]

Her hair is a nomad, unbounded, free flowing, creating new lines of flight between all subject matter

[@notthedroidyourelookingfor8056]

The context is she studies Deleuze and Guattari

[@ggeessttaalltt]

thank you for uploading this, very clear lecture and easy to understand for someone who is interested in but doesn’t study theory academically. the hair rules, for the record.

[@AsIfInteractive]

This lecture has helped me understand some very slippery concepts. I will look for more from Bell!

[@ontolog137-uq6ce]

"The people that really have it the worst are the people that get kicked out of the system, in a sense they get up to that wall, they can't get past it nor can they go back and they're just there[...]". What an incredibly profound summary, this has opened my mind.

[@televisaoassassina9822]

Hopefully it's not a rude request, but could you guys reproduce the diagram she made at the right side of the chalkboard comparing Deleuze and Freud? It wasn't in the camera's field of view.

[@fangednominals1785]

Thanks for your generosity in sharing this informative lecture

[@warishahahmed9069]

Best lecture on Deleuze on internet!

[@NoahsUniverse]

I think so too

[@marinaiodice7425]

and most coherent

[@matthewmontag963]

47:55 perhaps my favorite moment of the lecture.

[@EricCRO]

wow, thank you so much, im someone who is an engineer, and never got exposed to the humanities as i contribute to optimizing these desiring machines (as I have just realized) , thank you so so much for putting this out there.

[@jhat2014]

Your wonderful voice and face exude peace and wisdom, and you smartly addressed a very difficult work. You cover with "they say," and "according to them," but I see through your cover. You truly *understand* what they were trying to say -- what their imaginary symbols (words on paper) point to... Lucky students, and thanks for the youtube upload. I'm quoting this book in my writing, and it's very useful to have such a well thought-out and researched reference

[@superdeluxesmell]

A great way to tell who’s smart from who really wants to be smart but isn’t smart at all, is to see who’s still interested in this stuff past their master’s degree.

[@mathieucharbonneau2710]

Skip to 4:02 for the lecture 😌

[@clumsydad7158]

good grounding and good lecture, thank you

[@trionanimhurchu]

Thank you so much for this engrossing informative lecture. I love your style, didn’t lose attention even once.

[@dennyvonroux1125]

What is the text mentionded in minute ca 56:27?

[@CCriticalTheory]

Check Discussion Tab

[@keanuclark4833]

@@CCriticalTheory where is the discussion tab??

[@danielleejohnv.malonzo9677]

hi anyone know where i can read the paper she is reading thank you :)

[@rogoitan]

D&G smashed the familial psychoanalysis

[@victoriakawesa3558]

Thank you so much. This was truly brilliant.

[@xyui8434]

Professor Bell, thank you very much for your lectures, they are immensely enlightening. I apologize for asking this question, but I watched this lecture a while ago while driving and I could be mistaken but I had remembered you mentioned an analyst or professional of some sort that can help an individual break through the wall. I've skimmed through this video with no luck, I was wondering if I could have the name of this person? Once again I apologize for having to ask

[@friend_qqqqq3709]

i'm currently trying to read through anti-oed and this was super a super helpful primer. i am still lost on why the body without organs resents in the first place the system of machines it supports, and also what the body without organs "is"-- the soul?

[@orangeblue322]

the bwo is meant to describe the movement from traingulated or dual subjectivity into the mode of being called the One. to be One is to reject the psychoanalytic conception of being as that of a primary split or lack. a bwo is a plane of consistency on which cuts are made, divisions, events. it remains the same though even after the event. you make yourself a BWO by remaining on the surface or rather between the surface and its understanding "crunched" into a concept. the information should float to you like sense was a golden wheel rotating underneath your palms while you were only just dreaming

[@ehsanghazavi470]

What class is this at York?

[@franceso5266]

I'm so reminded of the movie donnie darko when i consider desiring machines and psychosis.

[@sahilsasidharan4634]

I am not sure what Melanie Klein's case example at 29:00 has to do with Lacanian psyhoanalysis at all. It is surprising as one would assume at least Deleuze would know that free association has nothing to with all this. I would recommend reading Bruce Fink's A Clinical Introduction to Lacanian Psychoanalysis: Theory and Technique to understand that process better before very poorly attempting to critique it and failing dramatically in even an amateur Lacanian's view (myself).

[@flynnjaman]

Fan of The POMOS but also would like another perspective concerning desire in pre-capitalist countries. I think this is a pretty usual/obvious criticism of Lacan, but would like to hear how his lack & D&G’s desiring machines hold up through history.

[@sonGOKU-gy7rg]

so how u move outside of schzoid state ?

[@sheenamcgrath9238]

by plugging the body without organs (catatonic schizophrenic subject, intensity = 0, model of death) into flows of desire and labor (the nomadic subject)

[@sheenamcgrath9238]

*flows of desire and labor which go beyond the family and representation, instead of bouncing back on to them, or remaining stuck

[@clumsydad7158]

@@sheenamcgrath9238 oh interesting, i've had trouble understanding the body w/o organs concept

[@clumsydad7158]

@@sheenamcgrath9238 yes, unfortunately the relations to parents/family is so pronounced in our culture (which for some can be an o.k. thing), but for those that need to separate themselves from that dynamic there is a mental scar, just because how it so relentlessly emphasized as a paradigmatic point of emphasis for our culture ... and that the parents 'judgement' is a false standard

[@giusepperenga8203]

How did all the vampires fall in love with Deleuze?

[@samuelclemens1502]

Had to buy some stuff which wasn't available elsewhere so I used your affiliate link at least that way Bezos get's less profit from my purchases and it helps a good cause.

[@CCriticalTheory]

Appreciated!

[@MarcelloMilanezi]

Ok! Great lecture!!! I've been reading Anti-Oedipus along with other material, including Baudrillard, and imo D&G are by far the hardest read. I feel that quality material on the subject, such as this lecture, and a lecture I'm taking on posthumanism at my University go a long way to "guide" through their work!

[@narivony6210]

Nice lecture. Thanks

[@therandomlieutenant]

Who are some of the authors they believe broke through the wall?

[@cola3173]

Joyce, Artaud, Beckett, Kafka

[@NoahsUniverse]

awesome lecture

[@danperryuk2003]

Seems a great lecture, I'm only 7 mins in but if there is anything you can do about the subtitles (which I think are auto generating) please do! Have had multiple versions of the name Deleuze and Guattari (or Guitar e) , "so the muttering sickness" and "now unlike the dominant understanding of freedom they talked about the pizza" which is obviously the modern sickness and they talked about schizophrenia. Just thought I'd better point it out in case you didn't know it was doing that :D

[@wren3164]

amazing, I'm connecting my dots.

[@myself9084]

Awesome hair, professor.

[@Willzp360]

Passionate, interesting and helpful (!!) lecture. Thank you Prof. Bell.

[@giusepperenga8203]

I see that the lenght of Deleuze's nails and the vampires are the same

[@coreyrachar9694]

I bought this book at the store because it looked interesting..... And i'm sure it is if you can understand it lol! I read 2 chapters and put down after reading the most ridiculous series of sentences I have ever encountered. Damn postmodernists and their weird use of language! Jokes aside, this lecture was helpful for me in understanding key terms and such as I make my way through the text, Thanks.

[@bramblecino]

Excellent thank you!!

[@michellesu1742]

I have no idea what's going on ngl

[@CCriticalTheory]

😢

[@Richard-fl4oo]

neither does she.

[@TokyoShemp]

@@Richard-fl4oo Precisely. She doesn't even understand her own notes.

[@sltfilho]

She had me at blue rasta

[@LucBoeren]

Thanks!

[@iliailo9159]

lecture is great! But why is it okay to back off from the wall .. Why is it okay to go to a therapist where she transfers you back away from the wall? And back to the society which is wrong to you.. because otherwise in the first place you would not end up facing the wall

[@thenowchurch6419]

Pink Floyd said all that in the song "Welcome To The Machine"

[@AlwaysfirstNeverlast-m3s]

is she make more sense comparing to Avital Ronell? more engaging?

[@theopenmouth9695]

Thanks

[@AlineSanchezRamirezBaruc-xm6qb]

Essa sou eu, subitamente tendo tesão em um documentário de vulcões A lava, as perdas de vidas e o sofrimento são SEXY, LEMBRAM LINGERIE, CERTAMENTE A quarentena tá me levando a fronteiras olímpicas de sexualizar LAVA

[@s4gviews]

Great hair, kind of rambling lecture

[@monkey4hire]

shannon you are vastly smarter than i am but you spelled schizoid wrong but lots of love regardless

[@theamici]

This lecture should've been split up into two.

[@xyui8434]

Just watch one half then watch the other half later 🙄

[@JMM333]

"Critical Theory" *RANTING IN ADORNITE FOR 120 MINUTES WITHOUT BREATHING*

[@ComradeDt]

Ayo lol

[@jam1087]

Characterizations of the upper and political, hence predator class, therefore allowance and privilege are boring darling why don't we go out and act like

[@moviereviews1446]

i love it when the weirdest, dirtiest, most unkempt people come to my university to talk about philosophy.

[@12HHoo]

Great lecture. Ridiculous hair.

[@coahuiltejano]

laughable

[@unnunn12]

schiz

[@excitingworld364]

It's a mess, in multiple ways, including hair.

[@natnar6181]

how come?

[@kiwitoffee]

'Everything is a machine'. Really? I think not. I, for one, am not a machine, though bits of me may resemble one. It requires a very shallow view of the human person to regard him or her as a machine. It's hard to take seriously anyone with hair like that. She looks like something out of a pantomine. Could it be the influence of Deleuze? I think so.

[@sorrygio]

Deleuze puts an emphasis on 'becoming', which is why there's a flatline for machinery. It's another way to appropriate Nietzsche's will to power, as we commit to becoming what's outside of us, the same way every essential process to live works. The way to free yourself from being this machinic flatline, is to fulfill the body without organs, this rejects machinic desire (production) and the will to power.

[@clumsydad7158]

@@sorrygio i think it's involved with the non-distinction between humans and nature, the materialistic approach, in which there is no soul/spirit, so it's just a cybernetic framework ... and that doesn't remove all value, but makes it more of one huge process, machine-like

[@sveu3pm]

lot of unnecesary crap, very little help to somebody first introduced to such very hard matter