Gillian Tett on how she predicted the financial crash & why the debt crisis is going to get worse

Gillian Tett is editor-at-large at the Financial Times and an anthropologist.(Subscribe: bit.ly/C4_News_Subscribe)
Her latest book 'Anthrovision: How Anthropology can Explain Business and Life' reveals how anthropology can make sense of people's behaviour, in business and beyond.
Krishnan talks to Gillian about why need to pay more attention to 'social silences', how she predicted the financial crash and the new global crisis on the horizon.
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[@MichaelBrown-lw9kz]

I love me some Gillian Tett, what an impressive intellect. I would encourage everyone to read her columns in the "Financial Times".

[@hkpr-ro6ui]

Gillian Tett is a very impressive lady. Her "build back better", "techlash" and Amazon analogies are useful verbal shorthand to convey her ideas. I think many people forecasted the 2008 crash though. I recall having a discussion with a guy in my office in early 2004 regarding the madness of ever-increasing property prices, personal debt, etc., and that it had to hit the buffers eventually. He had decided then to only rent, waiting for the crash so he could buy cheaper. It happened a few years later than expected but many people knew and said it was coming.

[@timmurray7165]

Yes. A brief conversation with a mortgage surveyor I met by chance in 2005 was enough to show a crash was inevitable

[@spartacusforlife1508]

Decrease debt crisis? Increase wages to minimum £13 per hour. Overdraft card payments reduced to 8% per annum. Similarly all other exhorbitant payments. Much stricter loan criteria. Return to council House building thus reducing the cost of rental market

[@matbroomfield]

"Whether you're in the Amazon warehouse or the Amazon jungle" She's proud of that line. I bet she tries to drop it into every conversation.

[@nagihangot6133]

You blame her for that instead of praise her?

[@matbroomfield]

@@nagihangot6133 It's like someone who says a line that gets a laugh the first time they use it, so they reuse it every opportunity they get until it becomes like a tired old dad joke that people just groan at.

[@ConservativeAnthem]

@@nagihangot6133 How about being wrong on masks?

[@globalist1990]

What a pleasure to watch this conversation. Why can’t we have at least a few people like her in power?

[@metastract]

Agree👍. Though the answer to that is hinted at in comments. 😏

[@carwynj.thomas5057]

You want to make a long lasting change? Lock a economist and an ecologist in a room with one another

[@celestialteapot309]

The phrase 'build back better' has anthropology all of its own i.e. it's a smokescreen for more of the same.

[@Dischordian]

Thanks for so noticing this. And the fact that she said "the means of production, i.e. Money.." What a fucking travesty.

[@beowulf1312]

Doesn't build back better mean pork barrel economics?

[@beowulf1312]

A sort of using tax payers money or borrowed tax payers money, to get rich.

[@michaelhoodleeder]

Fantastic .. Thankyou..

[@RONMAYS71]

Gillian seems very bright and compassionate

[@nagaestepuping]

That was very nice! Thank You!

[@rodatwhodesign]

Another great interview in the series. An excellent point Gillian Tett makes about the lack of focus on human nature in the strategy adopted for covid; I think it was missing in most of the western sphere's approach to the problem.

[@TomNook.]

exactly. The Japanese were speaking to the Italian delegation on trade in January... they warned the Italians about COVID, but they were told it was a "yellow man's disease". The West's arrogance - and ignorance - of other cultures, led to it getting far worse than it should have been.

[@NickHewlettTHATCHIT]

This Lady is saying So Much Sense to Me. Absolutely Brilliant Mind and Vocabulary. Thankyou. 💭💭🤺🤺💃🐬

[@lukerabin5079]

Promise this isn’t a trolling question, but what is the difference, fundamentally between sociology and anthropology?

[@GeorgeRow]

I think she would say something like: “Sociology is the study of (the structures of) our society. Anthropology is about: - immersing yourself in the culture of others - learning about its internal mechanisms - understanding how those things make sense within that strange culture - coming back to your home culture and looking at it through the eyes of someone from the other culture”

[@metastract]

A good question actually. Clearly some cross over between them.

[@lukerabin5079]

@@metastract exactly. I have a well renowned Sociologist (had, unfortunately), but he hated talking about his field.

[@conallgeneral8136]

when I was at college i did an introductory course in anthropology as part of an archaeology major and as I recall it comprised the study of human cultures and by one (of many)definitions , this covers economics,science, religion, art and magic.

[@artoaco]

Thank you Gillian for your important thinking. Light destroys the darkness. Truth will win. We know it.🌼🌺🌸

[@tonybliss577]

Interesting and thought provoking interview. Not necessarily about the information given but ways of viewing both personal and wider situations differently.

[@vlanwatcher6928]

Very interesting interview

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[@greenetolstoy]

Gillian Tett is really clever and makes interesting comments here and elsewhere. The phrase 'build back better' however was used too often in this interview, and invites anthropological evaluation. Why did she repeat this? Does she use the word 'I' and 'me/my' more than the average interviewee? Was the image above the fireplace placed there deliberately?

[@beowulf1312]

If everyone wore a funny hat there would be unity as we would all be funny hat people.

[@footlongschlong2000]

C4 is awesome

[@pgsprakash]

Very impressive. Thought provoking and educational. Holistic approach is better than silo based approaches. Thank you for this interview.

[@micheltibon6552]

OK, I am sold and will buy the book Anthrovision and read it.

[@gkelly34]

Someone buy that woman a pint. So clever and insightful

[@jerryburrows6206]

Gillian Tett must be worth reading when she uses phrases like "whether your in an Amazon warehouse or jungle" wonderful!

[@gamingtonight1526]

In othr words, we need people in power who think outside the box. I have had a great career and great relationships in my life by thinking outside the box.

[@siwhoc.6031]

Please could you kindly ask if Gillian Tett and Yuval Noah Harari would be available for a conversation between them that we could be privy to? That would be amazing!

[@beowulf1312]

You could make up the quotes like most journalists or say, anonymous sources, like NYT and Washpo or CNN who do it all the time.

[@tarekcompuworld]

Great podcast 👍🏼

[@omarsiyaad4552]

I could listen to her all day, gillian tate.

[@TheBOFAcookie]

“O, wad some Power the giftie gie us To see oursels as others see us! It wad frae monie a blunder free us, An' foolish notion.” Robert Burns

[@beowulf1312]

Isn't it Rabbie Burns?

[@wcbibb]

She speaks of the necessity to use social psychology to understand those not wearing masks in response to covid-19. Of course. Understand their attitudes, values, and beliefs. Identify "influencers" such as Fox News who are promoting attitudes, values, and beliefs. Then go about trying to change these attitudes, values, and beliefs. In Asia there was extensive prior experience with Sars and Mers. Some Asians were wearing masks in my community beginning a decade ago. Prior experience with these coronavirus itself changes people's attitude, values, and beliefs. America had little to no prior corona virus experience with coronaviruses. So the failure to wear masks may represent lack of prior experience rather that cultural factors. In designing an investigation, an interview of random people in the street is not really evidence. This is where proper sampling comes in. Data is only as good as methodology.

[@theredboneking]

As far as wearing masks are concerned, the only controlled study between masks and the coronavirus, proved them useless. People that wore a mask contracted the coronavirus as much as those who did not.

[@wcbibb]

@@theredboneking So a single study now proves this conclusively? No so.

[@theredboneking]

@@wcbibb a single study between masks and the coronavirus. Many controlled studies have been done between masks and influenza and have had the same results. Useless. That’s why Anthony Fauci said initially that wearing a mask does more harm than good.

[@wcbibb]

@@theredboneking "a single study?" You mean that Danish study? If you go to the CDC website you will find all of the studies. JAMA has extensive comments by leading physicians about this issue. The Danish study had the right answer to the wrong question" I trust the CDC and JAMA more than you. Fauci speaks for himself. You don't speak for him.

[@theredboneking]

@@wcbibb I recently added a interesting short 2 1/2 minute video about the CDC on my channel under covid fraud. (It’s at the very bottom titled Massie) all factual information.

[@Dischordian]

"Build back better" Hmmmm where have I heard that before... Just can't quite think..... Also I keep thinking I wonder how long Boris's new marriage will last? Can't explain why....

[@beowulf1312]

Is blo Jo on camera yet?

[@andrewlambert7246]

She is impressive!

[@Rnankn]

Just one observation that isn’t unique to Gillian. Writers and speakers on public issues persist in saying “we”. It feels so deeply inaccurate. The range of inputs into these conversations is so narrow, and exclude nearly everyone. Can public figures then speak on behalf of everyone, even those who are excluded? Are we a we? Did we really miss these things? Did we actually make choices? Etc. It is like watching a conversation from another dimension where we are present and being spoken at, but not in the conversation or heard. We are then told the ideas we have are what we missed and we need to change focus even as we have been dwelling on this the entire time.

[@TheGlobalfrog12]

Predicting a financial crash is easy...they are reoccurring events..what never gets discussed are the answers to ending them, because the methods used so far, only ensure another one is coming 🤦‍♂️

[@ajsctech8249]

Agree. But predictive models rarely take in wider cultural parameters so they will have error

[@TheGlobalfrog12]

@@ajsctech8249 only with when they will happen...

[@ajsctech8249]

@@TheGlobalfrog12 essentially we need to use models in combinations with other tools to make better predictions, and i think that the essence of some of her thinking

[@TheGlobalfrog12]

@@ajsctech8249 as I said in my first message ...I'm not interested in predicting the obvious...I'm more interested in a system that prevents these things from happening

[@michaelshaw4136]

The financial markets are all about trading debt and making a fee on each trade. It's all an empty shell composed of weak financial products ;Collateral Debt obligations and credit default swaps which are assembled from trunches of loans, both good and sub prime. All will be ok until another bubble.....Boom!!!!

[@michaelshaw4136]

Your interviewer will not understand the debt crisis, so do not explain because he is a moron.

[@cedcol356]

David Yaffe also predicted the financial crisis years, decades even, before it happened.

[@Dischordian]

She talks about debt being "written off" why not talk about people being paid enough to live??

[@12235117657598502586]

Because she doesn’t really care about anyone else!

[@conallgeneral8136]

she works for FT and she uses anthropology to explain the world to FT readers- another sub culture in itself

[@erict.watson2460]

The pension systems have been unsustainable for decades in the UK and successive governments, of all hues, have refused to face the reality because it was (and still is) politically toxic. Sadly it ain't going away, so when someone does eventually 'grasp the nettle' it's going to sting much more.

[@user-fy6xv6xw7n]

Surely with inflation debt is naturally diluted?

[@trishahopkins6574]

Build back better? 🤮

[@wilsonmanch6773]

Question is money flow. When one has debt, someone else is gaining. So who is gaining huge from someone’s debt?

[@theredboneking]

Banksters

[@airingcupboard]

Culture was never really a thing with economists, but I wonder about the analysis of social silences and why there are 'silences'. Surely we're also talking about power? At the end of the 90s, you could have said culture plays a role in their assumptions and behaviour until you were blue in the face, but it wouldn't have changed the prevailing ideology. If this is about directors and CEOs holidaying in other people's lives so they stay in their place and the directors gain some 'wisdom', then this vision is fashionable nonsense. Surely the point is alternative voices are allowed in to prevent this damaging solipsistic culture forming in the first place? Needs to go further than mere 'compassion' and likewise the women spoken of need to come from places outside independent schools in the UK.

[@vansf3433]

Anthropology actually studies different cultures of different human societies. A culture is a set of human subjective interpretations of the world and all things around them. It means different cultures have a different way of looking at and understanding the sane world and the same things Human subjective interpretations are expressed in a larger scale in form of regions and political classifications which are called as ideologies which can spread globally Understanding different cultures means understanding different ways of life. Understanding different ideologies means understanding different human subjective interpretations of the same world and sane things Being sympathic with different ways of looking at and understanding the world and all things around you is merely accepting differences of other people of different points of view, but not any way to make different subjective interpretations of the same world and the same things work for all You guys havev to understand that in order for a human society of different peoples with different ways of subjective interpretations of life and everything, there has to be a common ground which is the standard foundation for all peoples of different subjective interpretations to abide by like when everyone has to abide by the rules of law of a human society If you say that your people understand and sympathize with people of another culture or other different cultures , and they say the sane that they understand and sympathize with your culture, then all different cultures or all subjective interpretations are accepted which will means your people will keep your people's own way of thinking and doing things or way of life , other peoples will keep their own ways of thinking and doing things, and in the end, there will still always be conflicst of different cultures, conflicts of interests, conflicts of ideologies or religious points of view and political points of view whenever there is any disagreement on anything among peoples of different ideologies The way you guys understand human subjective interpretations is superficial or shallow, and that's why you guys keep going around and around in the same loop without being able to find any escape from the trap of blind beliefs Such social sciences as anthropology, politics, economics, law, cultures and others can never give you any sort of solution to the problem of human different sets of subjective interpretations of the same world and the same things, simply because all social sciences were inventec by human subjective interpretations, therefore they do not have any sort of objectiveness to be acceptable to all The only one way which can make all different human societies of different ways of thinkings abide by the same global rules of law is natural science which is universally true everywhere, no matter wherever it is in the world Such subjects study in natural science as mathematics, physics, chemistry, biology and astronomy have the same knowledge of natural science which is the same sets of human discoveries with the same human subjective interpretations of what human beings can observe in the universe, and the sane knowledge and human subjective interpretations has been seen as the same standard foundation for all the countries of different cultures and ideologies in the world to follow to develop and to thrive Example: if a mathematic problem , a physic problem , a chemistry problem are given to different countries of different cultures , different social, economic and political systems They will all have to interpret those same problems in the same way , in order to find the correct and only one solution to each problem. None of them can ever interpret those same problems with their own subjective beliefs or interpretations. That's why only natural science has some sort of objectiveness to be the standard foundation for all human species to follow voluntarily without any conflict at all , and that was what i said many years ago

[@theredboneking]

Wrap your mind around this…. The wealthiest man in the world today is Lord Jacob Rothschild of Great Britain. The book of Daniel in the Holy Bible says that the final kingdom on planet earth will be the Fourth Kingdom of the Beast which will devour all the world. Lord Jacob Rothschild is the fourth Baron of Rothschild. He holds the title, “King of Israel.” The name “Jacob” has the numerical value, 666.

[@conallgeneral8136]

what you call natural sciences are also human interpretations of their surroundings. Science is at its base also a philosophy and rigidly adhered to it can take on ideological emphasis in imposing a particular set of human understandings on another set of humans. what we need is a balance between the arts and the sciences in informing our social and political discourse.

[@vansf3433]

Right Certainly natural sciences are also human subjective interpretations of what human limited knowledge can observe to help human beings understand the observed in a certain subjective way , and that's why there are only relative truths or there is no absolute truth in subjective reality created by human subjective interpretations of all forms of existence or matter, observable in the universe , to human so extremely limited knowledge But the distinct difference between natural science and social science is that social science is totally invented by human interpretations of the observed depending on the ways how they look at and understand the observed , including personal narrow points of view and preferences , or subjective beliefs without any specific evidence , and therefore each people of human species can have a different way to interpret the meanings of the observed, whereas natural science is based mainly on objective and and undeniable facts known to everyone, such as human discoveries about the structure and mechanism of the universe which have crested all forms of matter or existence in the universe, including the Earth, all the beings on it , the Sun, the Moon, other planets, and their Moons , this solar system, this Galaxy and all other forms of existence in other galaxies still observable to human limited knowledge , but not merely on subjective interpretations founded on personal beliefs without any specific evidence. So human -invented natural science can be considered to be a sort of objectiveness within subjective reality, or at least closer to being parallel to objective reality which is not decided nor ever influenced by any human subjective interpretation Examples : 1)You can interpret human kind's history in your own subjective interpretation , and another person who lives in another different human society than yours can also interpret it in their own subjective interpretation which is different from your own interpretation But if I give you and 7 billions of people of different peoples or cultures the same mathematics or physics or chemistry- problem for you guys to solve for the only one solution to it , all of you guys will have to look at and understand or interpret it in the same way without ever inserting your own personal narrow point of view nor any subjective interpretation or belief in your understanding my questions , in order for you guys to arrive at the same and only one solution to the problem. 2) The Sun rises in the East and sets down in the West That's is an universally obvious or undisputable truth in subjective reality , which every human being has to accept without inserting any other different statement. But one person who does not like hot weather can say that today is so hot because there has been too much sunlight , while another person who enjoys hot weather can also say that no it's not very hot today . The weather is so nice with so much sunshine

[@conallgeneral8136]

@@vansf3433 natural science based on facts known to everyone?. ok - so what's a fact and who decides it is so ?

[@vansf3433]

@@conallgeneral8136 there are numerous facts known to everyone including you Your question is silly But I will still give you some 1) if I give you and 7 billions of other people a mathematics or physics or chemistry- problem, you and other 7 millions people of different peoples , different cultures, different religions will have to look at and understand or interpret my questions in the same way , in order for all you guys to be able to arrive at the same and only solution to the problem , and in order to do so , all you guys have to study such natural sciences and have to graduate from at least universities which teach such subjects of study , and all you guys are taught the same knowledge matters tics , physics, including particle physics, quantum mechanics, classical physics, chemestry including biochemistry , although the teaching methods and study materials are not necessarily the same , and such knowledge is a fact known to everyone 2) in human -, invented concept of time which originated in the Earth's endless rotation around its axis and it's motion around the Sun, and the effects of sunlight, each complete cycle of sunlight and darkness is corresponding to a distance which is approximately equal to the length of the Earth's largest circumference on the equator . The circumference is divided into different small arcs , such as an arc subtended by an angle of 15 degree is corresponding to one hour and when the earth has completed one rotation around its axis , it has also rotated an angle corresponding to (15 degree/ 1h) ° * 24 h= 360°, and also corresponding to a distance about 6 times of it's radius . Since the Earth's radius is about us 6371 km , the circumference is about 6*6371= 38266 km which is approximately the distance the Earth makes after each complete rotation around its axis. The reason I do not use 2πr to get the length of the circumference here is that π is not a well-defined value or merely a vague value being a trescandental number .and therefore having no ending digit.it just like when taking the integral of a function without any specific domain or boundary with a upper bound and a lower bound which is nonsensical and useless Here is what you guys have never ever been taught at any university before Theorem of circumference: Every circle comes from a limited straight line or a line segment , and The circumference of every circle is equal to 3 times of its diameter and 6 times of its radius I will give you guys undeniable practical proofs at another time , because tye purpose of this response to your question is to give you examples of objective and undrivable facts , but not teaching you mathematics nor physics nor CS nor any other natural science nor social science You can see that the human-invented concept of time is universally or globally applied for human beings to use as the standard foundation for human limited knowledge to interpret the changes of physical structures and positions of all forms of matter or existence ,which are observable in the universe , to human limited knowledge. Without the human -invented concept of time , there would never ever have been any sort of such human other concepts as distance, displacement, velocity, speed, acceleration, force, work, energy, weight , light, CS, etc That is another fact known to everyone 3) your age is a fact which based on the human-invented concept of time to describe how your physical structure changes with the same endless repeated cycles of sunlight and darkness created by the Earth's endless motion around its axis and the Sun 4) The Sun rises in the East and sets down in the West Which is a known indisputable fact to everyone 6)Human species have applied their discoveries about the structure and mechanism of the universe and their subjective interpretation of the observed to invent mathematics, physics, chemistry , and apply such concepts to invent such machines as automobile, train, airplane, ship, spaceship, TV, fridge, Washing machine , computer, robot, AI and etc 7) There are 6 continents in the world 8) Summer is hot , winter is cold and Spring is warm 8) the majority of human species sleep at night and stay awake during day time 9)Water and fire are indispensable to human survival 10) USA has the largest number of deaths and infected cases of infection with covid 19 The list can go on and on forever or everything and every event known around you are representations of facts Whenever you provide or represent such facts as the way how they are, without inserting your own personal narrow point of view or subjective beliefs or subjective interpretation , then such facts can be considered to be a sort of objective and undeniable facts within subjective reality created by human limited knowledge and subjective interpretations

[@Mark-en3ig]

Where's the source(s) that confirms she predicted a financial crash in 2007?

[@Mark-en3ig]

What I get from the video is that she saw the dangers that lead to the crash. That is in no way the same as predicting the crash. To state that the global economy is unstable is the default position of anyone subscribing to anthropological marxist theory. Not very helpful, if anything, unless someone can actually source something else, she has succeeded in scamming people into believing that she predicted a crisis, when in fact, she did nothing of the sort.

[@slorter10]

There were a few economics predicted the crash did not see her name there!

[@abmong]

So to sum up. We're fucked

[@12235117657598502586]

You might as well close ‘ALL’ banks if you write off all debts

[@wcbibb]

I studied Economic Anthropology at UCLA in 1967 with a visiting professor from Yale.

[@marimota5083]

No one in the comments understand what she is trying to teach us all which is "Empathy" and stop the entitlement and selfishness of advance societies.

[@Bantallas]

Thanks for this content. The Reporter not interrupting, a women of science talking sense. Nobody is loud, rude or talking down. Proof that England is not full of brexiteers and women need bo feminism to pursue and suceed in a career. Would like to know if There is a link to the rise of racism.

[@beowulf1312]

Has she empathy with strange people ? Define strange.

[@timmurray7165]

Sensible points. Presumably she compartmentalises from the rest of the garbage the FT publishes

[@cedcol356]

"Cancel the debt" Fidel Castro, Rio 1992

[@peterstaykov9670]

Power shift.""

[@jeffreyrichardson]

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[@pam7022]

Blather on.

[@barnabydinosaurroadsafetyp3457]

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[@12235117657598502586]

Wait a minute!… She said she was shocked by the Brexit vote, so she asked American Trump voters what was going on???? 😶. WTF!

[@erict.watson2460]

You sure the 'Janet-bot' was not introduced as a warning for your make colleagues?

[@benitochia8623]

A brilliant intellectual! Someone we badly need in today world.

[@beowulf1312]

Does krishnan believe this mish mash of ideas?

[@beowulf1312]

Is she an educated person ? It's amazing this person is an FT editor. It shows gibberish works.

[@cedcol356]

She's highly educated, but paid to paint capitalist barbarity in bright colours. Like all bourgeois political and economic 'analysts'

[@beowulf1312]

She's going to look around a corner to "build back better "? What does that mean ?

[@beowulf1312]

This is gibberish. I knew where wuhan was it's really Hankow.

[@wcbibb]

The idea is to get more empathy within a society. Communal societies have certain attitudes, values, and beliefs. A big difference is the difference between a me society and a we society. The guest is more of a journalist than an anthropologist. That is not a criticism but she is not like my Anthropology professors from UCLA or Yale. Anthropology was my minor. I was a psych major. Many of her observations are mostly anecdotal, not necessarily wrong, but lacking data. Research requires investigations or surveys where attitudes, values, and beliefs can be measured against other variables. I could spend a few months in Mexico and then write a book. But I haven't done an investigation. I don't have any data. I can say Mexicans have warm, loving families and therefore their society is superior to ours in the US. This is what author Morris Berman does. Stick to data. That's science.

[@julianshepherd2038]

Its a TV interview, basically entertainment. If she was talking to an informed audience then maybe she would be different.

[@wcbibb]

@@julianshepherd2038 i listen to academics all the time in interviews. She is much more of a journalist than an academic. Maybe her writing is different but I doubt it. You won't see five hundred foot notes in this gibberish. She ain't getting a job at UCLA or Yale based upon what I'm hearing in this interview. Does she have a PhD? Have she written research articles that are peer-reviewed? Has she done post-doctoral work? Sounds like pop psychology for non-majors but she uses pop Anthropology. Certainly not academic.

[@theredboneking]

@@wcbibb If you want to listen to an academic about lockdowns………Joel Hay PhD DIRECTOR, USC CLINICAL ECONOMICS . RESEARCH & EDUCATION PROGRAM (CEREP) senior fellow. “You don’t shut down the economy for the common flu. Even if it were two or three times worse, you are killing one hundred people for every one person you save.” He has over 200 scientific peer reviewed citations. Joelhay dot com

[@fingerscrossed2453]

Shutting down the country will cause a crash

[@Andrew-ww7qq]

She lost me at 'Build back better', her belief in face masks and that appalling sound byte 'Amazon warehouse or the Amazon jungle'. Sorry Gillian, you lost my respect. I was hoping for so much better.

[@roxy171103]

Can America afford to pay their debts. Maybe less study on Anthropology and more on Economics, with a focus of studying the country with the most powerful widely used currency in the world.

[@michaelshaw4136]

If you as a journalist are in command of the language then why do you need an editor???? You speak out of of your field on several issues.

[@12235117657598502586]

You cope with the pension debt by culling the elderly… (virus anyone)?

[@12235117657598502586]

So…. SHE’S ADMITTED THAT SHE’S REALLY JUST A ‘JOURNALIST’! 😖

[@fg146]

lies

[@omarsiyaad4552]

Like no ones business.....lol.

[@higreentj]

We would need a default on debt repayment to trigger a financial crash.

[@everready2903]

Negative interest rates on CBDC's can be the new norm!

[@higreentj]

@@everready2903 The US should introduce a value added tax (VAT) as this with the fiat currency system and interest rates can simulate inflation and deflation. Emerging technologies are deflationary so we will need to simulate inflation, and eventually the world will have to introduce a universal basic income because of automation.

[@user-fy6xv6xw7n]

How many times are you going to say "build back better" 🤔🤔🤔 Slipping new terminology into conversation is subtle indoctrination.. Apart from that the interview was interesting..

[@xnet-pvzok728]

She said it! She said BUILD BACK BETTER! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@sanctuaryplace]

was fine until you put your 2 cents in that we should all have mandatory wear masks because u think its right while saying we need to understand ithers points of view......

[@garydates8034]

+an arty farty way of saying your living in a bubble like most do .donot just get your news from one place.

[@ajsctech8249]

I will buy her book on the basis of this interview. Absolutely amazing woman and visionary intellect. Well done C4 for this interview

[@hikerJohn]

What? "Building Back Better" She's using Biden's catchphrase. Makes me want to turn it off as soon as I heard it.

[@jezza10181]

This stuff sounds like religion in disguise. Love thy neighbour and give all your worldly possessions away lol It is redressed 21st century Christianity.

[@beowulf1312]

It's communism not a kibbutz.

[@paulhoskin3286]

I predict there will be an alien on earth. Oh hang on she's here already

[@RDHamel]

Why is she constantly reiterating a fatuous Tory campaign slogan?

[@_Phoenix3]

She didn't predict anything, it was obvious what was going to happen...

[@mikw1809]

Sometimes it's better to say nothing, than say too much.

[@jawedz]

circa 32:50, she is dead wrong by saying "inflation makes it worse". Inflation makes debt easier by lowering their real value. DOES SHE HAVE A CLUE about macro economy? I wonder. This scare tactic about debt is mostly done in bad faith.

[@jawedz]

@Delyan Kirov That is a 1970's paranoia. In an ordinary economy the value of currency must gradually go down otherwise people and companies would save cash rather than invest, and you would have stagnation like the stagnation here in Japan since 1990. Deflation is a higher risk. Inflation is controllable and a good thing.

[@ape72patch1]

It’s a stupid theory as we can never keep pace with understanding. There will always be entropy in a system and the more we expand outwards and look for more knowledge the more we will continue to find. There will be no finite understanding… Hence the saying by Albert Einstein- “The more I learn, the more I realise how much I don’t know.”

[@stefanisolomon725]

Too many soundbites, too self markety and too robotic. A lot of fluff. Social silence indeed. If it was in the media interest to publicise these 'silences' it would have done so. I gave up after 10 mins..

[@kebenemat]

The words are coming out of her mouth but they don't mean anything

[@John_Doh]

A) "Bigly" is a word listed in the Oxford English Dictionary, and B) Trump was saying "big league" - not "bigly." Conclusion: Everyone who laughed at that was ignorant. Trump wins again.

[@jeffreychongsathien]

I really resent the concatenation of "educated" and "elite". I see very little overlap between the two. Perhaps "credentialled" is more legitimate, but "corrupt" and "ignorant" are the most relevant.

[@kebenemat]

What is this person even talking about

[@jeffreychongsathien]

The face mask example is appalling. It's medically-bankrupt fear signaling.