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Ginny Di

Ginny Di

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@hoid9407
@hoid9407 Жыл бұрын
This is incredibly helpful. Remembering your legendary actions, lair actions, legendary resistances, minor minions, etc is very important
@gopro_audio
@gopro_audio Жыл бұрын
my variable action economy does exactly that, well said.
@cameronlapp9306
@cameronlapp9306 Жыл бұрын
It's worth restating environmental effects and secondary objectives that aren't based on monsters directly here, like Ginny said. Apart from helping the action rhythm they also blur the beginning and ends of combat - and they give more things the players can't defeat through punching.
@hoid9407
@hoid9407 Жыл бұрын
@@cameronlapp9306 Absolutely. Environments, traps, weather and complications are really important
@commandercaptain4664
@commandercaptain4664 Жыл бұрын
What Ginny is expressing involves environment, goals, and strategy in any given encounter. D&D has this irritating habit of turning all combat into magnetic brawls in which everyone dukes it out until the victor stands, which is the easiest and laziest way to design a battle; it’s basic videogame logic which denies the true power an RPG can pose. The problem being is that dynamism is difficult to design and execute in a way that represents game balance, when it’s story balance that should be considered, requiring attention and improvisation to keep matters interesting. It’s why I like designing encounters like character sheets, with Goals, Flaws, and Backgrounds (environments) for easy reference.
@havable
@havable Жыл бұрын
"The tension is gone" That is always a good time for the DM to consider the bad guys running away or surrendering. They often die anyway trying to get away but its more satisfying for the PCs if they get to ace the last monster in free shots rather than waiting for their turns. Takes less time too.
@burgernthemomrailer
@burgernthemomrailer 8 ай бұрын
Or just say “you kill the rest of the monsters with little difficulty.” No slog. No muss. No fuss.
@salty-nick
@salty-nick 5 ай бұрын
@@burgernthemomrailer I've used that with good success. My party was fighting its way through some corridors full of groups of monsters. When they dispatched the first group easily, I said "alright, you fight your way through several more groups of these and each the exit". The plot could go on!
@an8strengthkobold360
@an8strengthkobold360 Жыл бұрын
Small tip, if you get to a situation where a single enemy is left with no chance leaving the following fight to be a pointless slog, just have them surrender. If they're an intelligent creature they probaly want to live and understand they can't win. It can be a good source of RP and info for the party (also a really good way to help your players understand what's happening).
@thodan467
@thodan467 Жыл бұрын
especially if they are not mad, desperate or except to be slaughtered on the spot
@paulscott2037
@paulscott2037 Жыл бұрын
This is a very good tip and on many occasions I have done this, however I can also highly recommend the complete opposite to take the battle up to a new level. Imagine you whittle the enemies down to a single man. He's battered, beaten and fatigued from the battle when he looks around and sees his mates dead all around him. He is seething with anger and hatred for our heroes and he leans against his sword, picks himself up and rages into one final charge as he scoops up a second sword, dropped by one of his fallen comrades. Give him an extra attack and give him advantage due to how enraged he is and give him the final blaze of glory he deserves with something like 10 additional hit points. Point of order: This works just as well for the players if you are looking to help them avoid a TPK and they are down to the last man. Give them a final, epic surge to try and get them through the fight.
@jayoungr
@jayoungr Жыл бұрын
Just be prepared for the players to want to question that last enemy once they're out of combat.
@Dionysus999
@Dionysus999 Жыл бұрын
Even if they are low intelligence they can still beg for their life or at least whine and cry which some players might pity them
@Dionysus999
@Dionysus999 Жыл бұрын
​@@jayoungr good roleplaying moments and could help them progress with secret information I like it
@armana1404
@armana1404 Жыл бұрын
This is probably one of the better pieces of DM advice I’ve seen - built in with excellent examples of problem and good encounters.
@martmantzt
@martmantzt Жыл бұрын
Our DM utilized these tips last weekend, before this video came out. I can vouch these tips work. We were one attack away from a TPK.
@wouldcanoe
@wouldcanoe Жыл бұрын
I as a DM had the opposite side of this point in the last session. One of my PCs got a lucky break on the boss failing a save v. Stun 2 turns in a row.. This allowed the players to spend their free time healing the Barb from unconscious. "A classic 2-player-switcharoo."
@seandremel337
@seandremel337 Жыл бұрын
Love the inclusion of environmental effects and the region essentially getting a turn. I’m a huge fan of dynamic fields of combat, since players and GMs can use the effects to advantage their side (a fire can spread and cause damage to structures, smoke can cause blindness or stunned effects, and the whole place can be used to intentionally cause characters or monsters harm).
@oscarlove4394
@oscarlove4394 Жыл бұрын
i'm primarily a Vampire the Masquerade player so take this suggestion with a grain of salt. Within vampire there's a concept of "three and out" that is to say combat (or social combat, or any type of conflict) should generally be resolved within 3 turns. This keeps things going and prevents you from spending an entire session slogging through 10 rounds of combat that are only a minute in real time. You could easily adapt this to D&D, have three rounds of combat, then re-contextualize. Some environmental hazard changes the landscape, enemies that are on the losing side surrender, run away or summon reinforcements. A boss relocates or disengages for a bit requireing some roleplay. Then if necessary you go into the second combat with a new context. Of course i'm very much in the ' rip the system apart, homebrew what you like, hack and steal and improvise ' tribe of D&D. So YMMV.
@commandercaptain4664
@commandercaptain4664 Жыл бұрын
Mild take: Players should be responsible for hosting and scheduling, not GMs. This promotes session engagement and delegates responsibility in a reasonable way. As a GM, it is extremely rare for me to host a game at my place. I’d much rather go to someone else’s place instead.
@gutterspeak
@gutterspeak 5 ай бұрын
As a DM who has all the stuff, no thank you lol
@harvmate
@harvmate 4 ай бұрын
I agree that it’s how it should be, but it’s never how it is, at least for me. I’m the one who has the stuff and, in our group, the best circumstances for meeting up. Tbh scheduling isn’t that insanely tricky for us, just because we have a small group, and we’re all happy to be missing a person
@Longinus89
@Longinus89 4 ай бұрын
This is actually a really good advise, as DM I just make sure that the availability survey for the next session is created and answered, the rest of organization and logistic is left to my party.
@Ghostdragon529
@Ghostdragon529 2 ай бұрын
I prefer not to make 3 trips to the car
@Leo_8005
@Leo_8005 2 ай бұрын
Yes its very annoying to plan a campaign plus managing the game itself and taking care of a location to play and cleaning up after
@gbprime2353
@gbprime2353 Жыл бұрын
I'm fond of spicing up a combat by adding motion. it provides the need for the players to spend actions on things other than just multiple attacks and flanking the bad guy. A chase scene across two speeding carriages has challenges and even "lair actions" of a sort. Likewise ye olde rooftop chase. The trick to both of these is to make sure a player doesn't get left behind or steal the scene (if they can fly, for example).
@commandercaptain4664
@commandercaptain4664 Жыл бұрын
Completely agreed. Most movie action scenes involve chases and combat concurrently, which is why I discourage miniatures (or at most use them on a “moving” map based on distance for easy tracking).
@GestaltKirin
@GestaltKirin Жыл бұрын
How do you generally work around having a player who could "steal the scene"?
@gbprime2353
@gbprime2353 Жыл бұрын
@@GestaltKirin You give them something specific to do. If a flying character can spoil a rooftop chase, for example, then there's a second bad guy going a different direction. They go be all superhero on that one while everyone else tackles the first guy. That way all the characters are important to the scene and the scene stealer gets to bask in how useful he/she was.
@GestaltKirin
@GestaltKirin Жыл бұрын
@@gbprime2353 That answers all my questions. Thanks so much for your insight
@BramLastname
@BramLastname Жыл бұрын
I recently found out just how effective burrow speeds can be, Because it's effectively a flying speed with cover You can infiltrate the backlines quite easily Making the party freak out as they have to deal with this enemy before it disappears again.
@Dima666Air
@Dima666Air 11 ай бұрын
There many types of tactics enemy can use that makes them unavailable in other creatures turn. As example: goblin on high ground. Stand up - shoot - lay down to get full cover. I call this tactics "let's check if my player remember they have ready action"
@BramLastname
@BramLastname 11 ай бұрын
@@Dima666Air my players did realise they had access to spells and abilities that allowed them to lock the creatures into place or bypass the cover, So in their perspective the encounter was easier than expected, However the encounter wasn't a threat at all on paper, So the fact that the creatures managed to make them actively engage with the fight was a win already.
@Romanticoutlaw
@Romanticoutlaw 10 ай бұрын
there's also a special kind of panic when a huge monster is burrowed as you scramble to get onto ground that it can't pop up under
@burgernthemomrailer
@burgernthemomrailer 8 ай бұрын
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@BramLastname
@BramLastname 8 ай бұрын
@@burgernthemomrailer There's counters to burrow speeds, However, basically every counter to burrow speeds also counters fly speeds, While most fly speed counters do not counter burrow speeds. Everything is beatable, but some things moreso than others.
@arcanuke3294
@arcanuke3294 Жыл бұрын
The same is true for players honestly in my opinion. If you want to make a character who turns up to fights and gets stuff done then all you really need to do is think about how you are going to use your Action, Bonus Action and Reaction on every turn if you can. It matters way more than trying to milk the max damage out of any specific thing, is a lot less gimmicky and generally just feels more fun imo. I play the game to interact with the world. If I get 3 ways to interact with the world every turn, best believe I'm gonna try to do all 3.
@bendynotbend
@bendynotbend Жыл бұрын
This is such a good idea! It feels like min-maxing but its not repetetive for anyone.
@1217BC
@1217BC Жыл бұрын
One of my favorite tricks for dealing with the players focusing fire is sacrificing an underling as a meat shield. This can be a devout kobold cultist throwing itself in front of a hit for its dragon master, or the orc warlord shoving his goblin underling into the path of a coming arrow. Can't use it all the time, but it's a fun one when it works, and can seriously screw with a parties established combat rhythm
@mechavos4066
@mechavos4066 11 ай бұрын
A great spell to use for that is Life Transference. Let minion clerics sacrifice themselves to heal their leader
@kangke57
@kangke57 Жыл бұрын
"Say it louder for the folks in the back!" This is such a useful video, great stuff! Also, I need that shirt!
@andrewlustfield6079
@andrewlustfield6079 Жыл бұрын
Overall, solid advice. Never allow a party to focus their fire. That's always a cakewalk recipe
@MagusAgrippa8
@MagusAgrippa8 Жыл бұрын
To add to the lair action idea, one of my old dms had legendary actions for important boss fights. These legendary actions usually manifested in a sort of special attack or buff that activated when the boss hit a certain hp threshold. It changed the flow of battle and made winning actually very dangerous sometimes. One of my characters nearly lost her construct pet just because it got caught in an ice explosion. Her pet nearly dying also got her angry enough to use her abilities to shift her rapier into a greatsword that split the boss in half.
@iquemedia
@iquemedia Жыл бұрын
alternate work around: let the party dog pile but if they do it would allow the enemy to cast a spell that nukes the whole party in a pokemon-like counter effect
@Sdevistan
@Sdevistan 6 ай бұрын
I do this and it made my players be more careful, strategic movement is making them have more fun and be more loyal to their role instead of dumping attacks
@jonathanstern5537
@jonathanstern5537 Жыл бұрын
Two things that help with action economy for big bads, Legendary Actions and Lair Actions. Think about it, you’re fighting an ancient blue dragon, he does multi attack to your fighter, some hit, some don’t. Your rogue backstabs the dragon. The dragon uses their legendary action to whip their tail at the rogue. Then the cleric goes and heals both the rogue and fighter. Then the lair action goes off, electrifying the floor, causing lightning damage to everyone touching the floor.
@bukharagunboat8466
@bukharagunboat8466 Жыл бұрын
Once in a while you do have to have smart enemies focus on the squishy characters. Mainly to keep them honest. Unusually large parties might be able to afford to assign a bodyguard, but I've only had that happen to my Wizard once in decades of playing. Wizards have defensive spells, and they should be scared into using those precious spell slots (and Actions) to cast them. The hardest combats are going to be the ones where the monsters get the party on the back foot. In a Boss+minions fight having the Boss engage the Fighter and the minions harass the other characters works well, as does having the minions mob the Fighter while the boss lobs stuff from the rear.
@DrewskiTheRed
@DrewskiTheRed Жыл бұрын
Thank you! After this weeks game, I was running through the "What Worked? What Didn't Work" and needing some better ways to do it. Right advice at the right time
@tntori5079
@tntori5079 Жыл бұрын
I've totally fallen in the hole of just "add more monsters l" and still struggling to be a threat. Love this! Defd going to try these ideas. Helps a ton! Thank you?
@VivaLaDnDLogs
@VivaLaDnDLogs Жыл бұрын
That World Anvil ad felt like a conversation with Ginny's niece/nephew during the holidays 😂
@DJFelixChester
@DJFelixChester Жыл бұрын
Something that I love doing if my players are cool with it, is letting the enemies fill in the places between player turns. My players roll there initiative stack and my monsters roll their's then we alternate between stacks. It's not super realistic, but my players loved it. They call it "hard mode"
@SingularityOrbit
@SingularityOrbit Жыл бұрын
That's really cool! There is an RPG system called the Cypher System with an alternating initiative mechanic that's a bit similar. The difference is that there's no initiative roll; the acting side (whichever side starts the conflict has initiative) has one person act, then initiative switches to the other side, back and forth until the round is over and it all resets for the next round. It works really well, and I'll bet it works just as well when applied to D&D. I can see why keeping initiative rolls involved would increase the difficulty, forcing the party to adapt to the play order they've rolled. Of course, the DM has to adapt to the monster's initiative order as well, so it's entirely fair.
@Bladezeromus
@Bladezeromus Жыл бұрын
That's basically how initiative works in Larian's Divinity, RPG system. Enemies and allies have an initiative score based on derived stats. The character with the highest initiative goes first, then the opposing character with the highest initiative on their team takes there turn and so on so forth.
@fred_derf
@fred_derf 9 ай бұрын
I just roll individual initiatives for the NPCs. I've never found it that difficult to keep track of initiative order, spreadsheets are your friend.
@ChrisRovers0
@ChrisRovers0 Жыл бұрын
What a great video - the clearest explanation of action economy - and what to do about it from a DM perspective - I've ever seen
@Jessie_Helms
@Jessie_Helms Жыл бұрын
I just ended a campaign after retconning the old-semi-finale session because of a terrible action economy encounter. Added 4 groups of minions, legendary actions, legendary resistances, and smartly used Banish on the high level NPC Paladin to take out the harder hitter (and not taking out PC). Best encounter I’ve ever run, everyone thoroughly enjoyed the battle- including several players who’ve been playing over a decade. Action economy is the key.
@swordsman111982
@swordsman111982 Жыл бұрын
Strahd has a legendary action that lets him do a move without provoking attacks. It sounds simple, but this turns him into a creature that is chump to a monster that can eat teir 4 parties. Just giving a monster 2-3 extra move actions in a round can be insane
@oleanderwyvern
@oleanderwyvern Жыл бұрын
I can't give over how awesome the pattern matching is on the button placket of your frog shirt, and the fabric is already amazing at that (also really good tips in the video, I'm just easily distracted by cool clothing/sewing details).
@Umbran
@Umbran Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this. Big validation and helps to know I'm heading in a good direction as a DM 👏🏾
@DocterZed11
@DocterZed11 2 ай бұрын
OMG - "In real life it isn't actually strategic to focus fire, because we are not bags of hit points that remain completely functional until the moment that we die." That was gold... no, that was platinum.
@andrewlewis2123
@andrewlewis2123 Жыл бұрын
Possibly your funniest sponsorship yet! One thought on using environmental effects - if you can, try to include a way for any player (mage or mundane) to mitigate or solve those problems. For example, in the last month, three of my games featured combat arenas that caught fire. It certainly upped the stakes, but at low levels and without Create Water spells, we ended up just focusing fire on the enemies as usual while the arena burned. I don’t blame the DM for not thinking creatively *for us*, but without a source of water in the arenas, each one felt a little inevitable to try and fight.
@csabalako1788
@csabalako1788 Жыл бұрын
That's a thumbnail straight out of Avatar :D Sokka got the shrooms!
@ether4211
@ether4211 Жыл бұрын
The #1 trick I found to improve combat was to give each creature a name and basic personality (eg. Gorg the Orc - afraid of fire) or create a swarm with multiple attacks and legandary actions that scale up/down with their hitpoints. Then for boss monsters they should have a aim and create a dilemma for the PCs. I've had monsters who's lair action was trying a divine intervention that got eaiser for them the more damage they took, or mixing and matching abilities like combining the 'invisible in water' ability of a water weird with a Aboleth in a sewer fight making the disease especially scary. Though my fav was my BBEG Ravenloft game where Strahd and Vecna ended up having to flee a horde of Nothics....because while they could easily kill them, every single nothic had the 'weird insight' ability and was using it to steal embarissing secrets and TELL THEM TO EVERYONE... Which was both super fun for the players to make them up on the spot, but terrifying for the PCs.
@skier340
@skier340 Жыл бұрын
Great video! Also, legendary actions are a good way to deal with the action economy imbalance of players vs DM. It could be cool to see more legendary actions on lower levels bosses as well.
@bukharagunboat8466
@bukharagunboat8466 Жыл бұрын
That's exactly what Legendary Actions (and Resistance) are for.
@SingularityOrbit
@SingularityOrbit Жыл бұрын
Something I never see mentioned: if you think that 3 legendary actions per round and 3 legendary resistances are too powerful at lower levels, there's no rule preventing you from changing those numbers. I once ran 2nd level characters against a pseudo-lich (basically a skeleton with boosted hit points and a few 1st level spells) and a few zombies, and I gave that boss monster 2 legendary actions per turn and 1 legendary resistance. It was just enough of an increase in the monsters' actions to make the fight a real threat. That worked better than I'd even hoped.
@Nihzlet
@Nihzlet Жыл бұрын
@@SingularityOrbit Spot on, I've done the same thing and it works wonders. Had a level 3 party fight a legendary version of a Wight with 2 Legendary Actions per turn and 2 Legendary Resistances, the first fight he beat them down hard (he also readied an action to coup de grace a fallen player if they didn't give him what he wanted...) but the second fight they had prepared for him and had a way to strip away those advantages -- made for a great set of encounters.
@pauldeddens5349
@pauldeddens5349 Жыл бұрын
Great fun for me was running a dreadnaught construct whose only attack was an enormous 6 chambered magic gun. He could only fire on his turn when fully loaded, but could use a legendary action after every turn to chamber a magic shell. This was fine in the intended scenario of the dreadnaught and two other baddies guarding an airship port. It became much worse when a lone PC attempted to steal an airship, got caught immediately, and then ropetricked into a pocket dimension for roughly 2 hours. Giving ample time for more threats to show up. On his own, he is hardly even a boss. He is a bullet sponge with a devastating attack. But one on one, he takes several turns to fully load his cannon. But six versus six? He has got a chance every time his turn shows up. It was great fun having them quickly panic and try to kill weaklings to boost the action economy in their favor, and attempt to avoid his turn by disrupting his attack or hiding at the end of their turn. Especially since of how its designed mechanically, he becomes gradually weaker as the fight goes on. Starting as a very intimidating boss, and turning into a satisfying victory as he becomes too sluggish to output damage.
@CosmicNebula444
@CosmicNebula444 Жыл бұрын
4:37 I was really hoping the response to this would've been something along the lines of "What do you mean? I have dark mode on"
@petershriver9209
@petershriver9209 Жыл бұрын
That actually was a very entertaining ad read! And you are the reason I've been using World Anvil for about a year, thanks!
@AnHourOfWolves
@AnHourOfWolves Жыл бұрын
Haha, I would focus fire as a DM for sure; I played it like a miniature game by targeting the most impactful character that would be the most efficient at defeating the party. It caused problems in my party at first for sure, the players had trouble predicting the monsters' actions and often a couple of them would go down.... Eventually they got wise to it and built their tactics around reviving and healing people. I realize now I should have just told them... that would have helped them right off the start. Also, I love some of the ideas that you suggest... multiple monsters that leave when the leader dies, and having different objectives is also quite a great idea. Thanks! I would argue that in real life, focusing fire can be quite effective. When attacked by multiple people, defend against both, but disabling one will make things much easier for you. This is also true at the strategic level as well, for example the Allies in WWII deciding to focus on Europe and not Europe and Japan at the same time.
@atsukana1704
@atsukana1704 Жыл бұрын
One mechanic I am planning to implement to an undead island I am creating is the undead can only really be killed if all of them are dead at the same time, or they revive eachother. The first time this shows up will be a few beefy ghouls but then it will lead to a necromancer that is being shielded by some undead mages. By taking out the mages you can hit the necromancer but you have to try and do so with all of his undead army rising again once every so often. (Hitting him with the shield down will stop him for a couple of turns) This should hopefully make for something cool that feels like a necromancer putting out an endless horde until defeated, and making it less of “oh there goes the skeleton cannon fodder now lets kill this guy” I am trying to make sure this also doesn’t come out grindy either by making it so the mages defending him don’t really have any hit points and just die guaranteed, but the difficulty being working around that tactic with the necromancer trying to harass you.
@gorgit
@gorgit Жыл бұрын
Sounds like a fireball or any aoe damage spell will cheese that last encounter
@GMsteph
@GMsteph Жыл бұрын
This was a really great video! I would also add for BBEGs I've done "Shadow of Colossus" style combat which has worked out really well every time I've tried it. Basically, each area of the monster attacks on a different initiative (head, legs, wings, tail, etc). Each part of the monster also has its own AC and hit point block. So players can call their shots to take out a dragons wing or leg in order to lessen the effect of an attack or a decrease the monsters movement or just decide to generally hit the monster. It makes them feel like each shot matters and they can see the effects of their attacks more quickly and feel like progress is being made than just whenever the monster is defeated.
@neilhenderson6602
@neilhenderson6602 Жыл бұрын
Superb video, am definitely taking Ginny’s advice when I prep my next session.
@jajsem1109
@jajsem1109 Жыл бұрын
I love those advices. Thank you Ginny DM. Also your eye makeup is just wow.
@edwardromero3580
@edwardromero3580 Жыл бұрын
Some excellent advice here, as usual. Something I do in my game (home-brew 5e/OSR hybrid) to help with action economy is to divide attacks across the round. If an Elf archer has two attacks, he takes one at the start of his turn and one AFTER everyone else has taken an action. Or put another way, one attack at the top and one attack at the bottom of their turn. This applies to the bad guys as well. If a BB has four attacks, rather than waiting for ALL the PCs to dog pile them, I allow the boss to make attacks in between them. As I use group initiative, this makes the division pretty easy. Yes, this requires me to juggle a lot of stuff, but it makes the combat way more exciting.
@underthependulum3484
@underthependulum3484 Жыл бұрын
Best advice for this; If your monsters are outnumbered but still work out from a CR perspective, give them Legendary Actions. The book acts like only certain monsters should get them, but all monsters need them when they're outnumbered. I've put 3 vampiric mindflayers against 6 level 9 PCs and almost killed 2 players just by giving each mindflayer 1 legendary action to even out the action economy.
@theclockworkheart
@theclockworkheart 10 ай бұрын
a lot of my friends i play with have been asking me to DM, but while i feel really confident about world building and making stories fun for them all, balancing combat has always mystified me a little! i always felt like something vital was missing from my understanding, and it turns out it was this. everything is clicking into place! this makes me so much less nervous to DM, thank you so much!!! a great video with really helpful examples :)
@scarybusey
@scarybusey Жыл бұрын
Current party is in the middle of fighting a giant earth elemental in an ancient caven with floating rock platforms and the entire ceiling engraved with magic runes that causes wild magic surges on any character that casts a spell. Sends a wave of panic through the wizard who thinks he's safe out of melee range.
@PolyChromaticZebra
@PolyChromaticZebra Жыл бұрын
Minions are a good thing, but normally if I have one big bad boss fight I will come up with clever themed Legendary actions to give that big bad boss that add flavor and danger to the fight. As DM you aren't limited to what the Monster manual says. Always leave the Players Guessing, but all the other stuff mentioned in this video is super solid. Great Advice
@henryplumb7459
@henryplumb7459 Жыл бұрын
Used this myself, had an ability for my BBEG in a one-shot that doubled his actions but forced him to then use similar actions only (Was a posessed jail captain, so it could use the posessors magic, or the knights strength) and it made things so exciting for players cause they were subverted by the initial low roll for the initiative just to find out that they get double the actions at that point... Honestly it was my first ever D&D DM experience and I am so glad that there wasn't any negative feedback, then again we were all pretty much new to it so that could have been why, cant critique something that you dont know exists...
@mikestone-w1q
@mikestone-w1q Жыл бұрын
As a counter-argument - one of degree, not of direction - my friends have spent the last 40 years laughing about our high-school DM’s ‘Rommel orcs’: second-level chaotic thugs who apparently spent their whole lives studying tactics under Field Marshal Rommel. If we tried to sneak past, they had sentries. If we tried to snipe the sentries, they had roving guards checking status. If we tried illusion, they had rotating passwords. At the first hint of trouble, multiple runners would head off for reinforcements (which came in stages). If we tried a fienting attack, they doubled the guard at all other positions. If we tried to provide cover fire, they had high ground already sighted in on any position we took. The only option we ever got was to make a frontal attack, then hew down wave after wave of fresh, well-disciplined troops like a Frazetta painting. The same thing happened in dungeons. There was exactly one encounter, with every creature - sentient or not - coming at us as a single coordinated force. If we didn’t die outright, we could then stroll through the rooms picking up treasure, because there wasn’t a living or undead thing left within a mile.
@SenshinAnon
@SenshinAnon Жыл бұрын
when i first clicked the video i was thinking "oh, she's obviously going to say improv duh", then you went "action economy xD", and i was "...oh, yeah, that's more intelligent" kkkkkkkk great vid.
@brewdaly1873
@brewdaly1873 Жыл бұрын
I actually kinda had two of these suggestions lined up for a Curse of Strahd campaign I'm running soon. It will be my second time running the Death House. The first time I ran it, I had a party of 6 lvl2 adventurers. On the final encounter against the Shambling Mound, the Cleric did go down a couple of times, so I can't say it was "easy" for the players, but it also kinda was. The Paladin, Barbarian, and Monk wailed on it up close, while the Artificer and Ranger took shots at it while staying safely out of its range. This time I'm starting the players at lvl 3, because I think it's more fun. So to prevent the same thing from happening, I am giving the Mound tendrils it can summon to disrupt ranged attackers. They aren't very strong, more of an annoyance than anything. And the chamber will be slowly filling with water during the fight, and when the fight ends the water starts flowing rapidly. I've specifically designed both of these to appear more dangerous than they actually are, so they should just raise the tension of the fight while only increasing the difficulty slightly.
@deeps6979
@deeps6979 Жыл бұрын
Glad you brought up lair actions! Another thing that can help action economy, especially for monolithic bosses, is to go a little off script and upgrade their actions to be more effect-dense. Not necessarily more damage, but add additional complications or control effects that reduce player action viability. (Though do be careful with control effects that stun/disable. It's zero fun for the player.) Like, maybe the enemy wizard's lightning shocks the players into Fortitude saves to avoid dropping their weapons, or a huge monster bats the players out of position with heavy shoves that come with its attacks.
@_aster_oid
@_aster_oid Жыл бұрын
you always drop videos like this right when i need them?? thank you!! this was very helpful :)
@makmfdrizzle
@makmfdrizzle Жыл бұрын
Your videos are fun, creative and very informative, helping people to really think outside the box. I have been catching up on your videos and am loving every minute! Thank you for creating insightful and engaging content! I have struggled to read all of the DMs guide so having good and constructive content has been doing wonders. Your videos have been inspiring. Keep up the great work!
@lanir9543
@lanir9543 Жыл бұрын
By tweaking the action economy you can also create larger epic fights at just about any level. This goes in the other direction and has you using more opponents but gives you a narrative for why they aren't all attacking the PCs every single round. How does it work? The opponents are using pack tactics. You have about a third of them attacking on any given round while the rest are either keeping their distance or focused on defense. This works with literal packs of animals but also with knights on horses who charge the PC group and thunder past before wheeling about and attacking again a couple rounds later. If any foes get seriously wounded, they're sidelined and let others attack. Once the pack no longer feels like it can attack effectively they retreat and the PCs win. This works best with theatre of the mind combat. You can probably make some version of this work on a battlemat but in practical terms you're going to be fighting the movement mechanics the whole time.
@ranty_fugue
@ranty_fugue Жыл бұрын
Superb. I’ve seen a number of these tips around KZbin, Reddit, etc., but never so carefully detailed and explained!
@MesoJoe
@MesoJoe Жыл бұрын
honestly this is a good way to think about running a lot of other games, even ones without a similar action economy like games that go back and forth between players and gms (one turn each) or games that are powered by the apocalypse where the gm doesn't even technically have turns, just set ups and reactions to either failing a roll or ignoring a set up. I like it! Fleeing minions/mobs after a boss is defeated, diversified objectives, and dynamic locations are all good ideas generally.
@GregorifElfeNoir
@GregorifElfeNoir Жыл бұрын
Of course Hacker-Ginny was ineffective She did not even wear sunglasses :O
@JR-ld2xx
@JR-ld2xx Жыл бұрын
Thank you! You didn't make this discussion complicated. I will be listening and taking notes.
@MakinItRain24-7
@MakinItRain24-7 8 ай бұрын
I get to DM for a group in one of my classes (we're doing a dnd mini-unit) and this video is really helpful as I have no experience DMing, and my teacher kinda just said "you can do the combat balancing for your group I trust you." So this will take a lot of the weight off my shoulders, and also probably impress my teacher. Thank you so much for this love your content! 💖🧚‍♀️✨
@ScottMyersOfTheEarth
@ScottMyersOfTheEarth Жыл бұрын
cute ad =) And, YES TO EVERYTHING IN THE MAIN VIDEO!! ACTION ECONOMY OMG!!!!
@Black_golem
@Black_golem 11 ай бұрын
All of your ads are entertaining so I watch them which I normally don’t do with KZbinrs
@ajerqureshi6411
@ajerqureshi6411 Жыл бұрын
You know I think taking the action economy into account, one of the problems with the villain Strahd as a boss monster is that while he's definitely imposing and dangerous to low level players, he can be very easily overpowered at higher levels. Solutions that often get mentioned (short of homebrewing) is to be more attentive to Strahd's many unique abilities and to play Strahd more as a tactician than a straight up fighter. If the players are doing well against Strahd, he can use his mist form to escape deeper into the castle to heal up while the players have to try and quickly find him. Perhaps he can summon more of his army of vampire minions to add to the players, or use the threats and traps within his own castle to thwart the players. My personal favorite is if Strahd can successfully charm the strongest player (maybe another high level spellcaster) and get them to fight on his side...forcing the party to now contend with two spellcasters.
@TeaforTinka
@TeaforTinka Жыл бұрын
I recently started playing Pokémon games and this is literally just Pokemon fights and status conditions Things like status effects lower your action economy in pokemon- you lose a turn from being asleep for example or lose a turn from having to heal a status effect. I wonder if status effects could be used similarly in dnd action economy
@deciusaemilius
@deciusaemilius Жыл бұрын
One thing I discovered by accident is the usefulness of giving minions - but not the BBEG - pack tactics. Suddenly the PCs have a real incentive to kill off the supporting monsters first before focusing fire on the big bad. Even if it takes your party two rounds to kill off all the kobolds or thugs, that's two rounds they're not focusing on the boss.
@faemerothgoblinbane
@faemerothgoblinbane Жыл бұрын
This is definitely good advice, and solidifies by the end what I was thinking: unless there is an absolutely huge disparity in level between the monster and the party level, solo monsters really need legendary actions. They exist to even out action economy, letting monsters at the very least get more turns before they go down.
@dannylove9020
@dannylove9020 Жыл бұрын
As a brand new DM about to start my first campaign, this was very helpful! thank you!
@kristianstave3904
@kristianstave3904 Жыл бұрын
Hands down the best dm advice you have ever given!
@jimselvy6157
@jimselvy6157 Жыл бұрын
Great ideas. I even love the sponsorship skits. I always skip over them on other KZbinrs but always watch and enjoy yours.
@DMingThoughts
@DMingThoughts Жыл бұрын
Like for an appropriate shirt for a wednesday, my dudes.
@GlebSeva
@GlebSeva Жыл бұрын
Полигранник детектед (шанс того что эта шутка выстрелит 1 к 200)
@461weavile
@461weavile Жыл бұрын
I want that shirt.
@jackbubblegum
@jackbubblegum Жыл бұрын
But…it’s not pink?
@461weavile
@461weavile Жыл бұрын
@@jackbubblegum lol, I understood that reference. The frog meme is newer.
@zachwilliams2369
@zachwilliams2369 Жыл бұрын
Today's Wednesday!
@therakshasan8547
@therakshasan8547 Жыл бұрын
Using a hex map: The Beast has 6 tentacles , legs , eyes, and mouths . It has 3 attack types Hit, Grapple [ with reach ] , and Chew . Each side of the beast has an eye , tentacle , and mouth so it can not be flanked or suffer disadvantage . Older Beasts have tuffer hides . As a boss it can be a night mare .
@tsovloj6510
@tsovloj6510 Жыл бұрын
3:28 whaaaaaaat. That is an overly soft-on-the-players viewpoint It is 100% fair and reasonable for intelligent hostiles to try to take out a specific target first. If you didn't organize your formation to protect your squishy friends, that's on you.
@scratchmann
@scratchmann Жыл бұрын
Great advice, thanks! Also that shirt is fire
@blalockj7788
@blalockj7788 Жыл бұрын
If you are careful with creature selection, focusing fire shouldn't get out of hand. 5th Edition D&D is designed around combats that average 3 rounds in length. This game is also designed expecting player characters to hit their targets about 65% of the time. In the example Ginny gives, with five PCs facing an equal number of enemies, if we do the math, the game expects that about two turns of attacks, if they hit, will vanquish these monsters. Thusly, the party isn't incentivized to surround and all attack the same enemy while ignoring the rest of the enemies, double teaming such enemies will usually be sufficient. There are tactics to discourage crowding around monsters. As Ginny says, having other objectives, interactive elements in the environment, hazards, and cover can encourage characters to split up. Also, with melee focused monsters, engage multiple players characters so that they can't all move to surround one monster. Make occasional use of monsters with damage auras and death bursts. If the party is only fighting a single enemy then it makes sense that all the characters would team up to take that enemy down. Ginny doesn't mention Legendary Actions in this video, but Legendary Actions are huge. Wizards of the Coast has published some lower challenge rating Legendary Monsters, and the Dungeon Master's Guide has guidelines to build more of them. Not every fight needs to be predictable. It's fine if most of your combats are swingy. If the monster rolls like on initiative or fails it's save against the Fear spell and the fight is over, that's fine. Don't try to railroad encounters. Let the dice fall where they may. Let players get the quick, easy victory sometimes.
@bakuiel1901
@bakuiel1901 Жыл бұрын
Wow this is really helpful, I always knew one big bad was bad action economy but this helps me actually understand what I need to do.
@mattsmith1668
@mattsmith1668 5 ай бұрын
Only sponsored ad I’ve ever watched, you did a good job with it.
@reneer7069
@reneer7069 Жыл бұрын
Yay! It's always a good day when Ginny Di drops a new video!
@LaneBee
@LaneBee Жыл бұрын
One little hint hidden in there is using invisibility as a way of getting the PCs to switch targets. IMHO this is a fantastic use of invisibility (or burrowing, etc...). One that I've seen be completely anti-fun is to have the ONLY enemy or ALL the enemies simultaneously disappear for 1-2 rounds, which just leaves the PCs to stand around waiting for them to show up again.
@LaneBee
@LaneBee Жыл бұрын
I had a game where this happened twice in the same battle, which totally nerfed the party's two barbarians who wasted their rage.
@KienBaoNguyen
@KienBaoNguyen Жыл бұрын
Wow, it's crazy how this lesson hit home for me just last week during our intense combat session with 7 players! I used to struggle big time trying to balance encounters, especially with online tools like Kobold. CR just goes out the window with a large group like that. This time, I decided to mix things up by throwing smaller encounters at them, but with enemies packing multiattacks - some even had up to three attacks! It was a game-changer. Instead of the usual 5-6 enemies with a single attack each, I introduced foes that were narratively and mechanically stronger. The result? It felt like I took the gloves off, unintentionally giving the party a run for their money. Such a simple adjustment, but it totally flipped the script!
@JedisTrek
@JedisTrek Жыл бұрын
Very good thoughts. This understanding does indeed make combats more interesting, which in turn keeps your players more engaged. You learned this lesson way earlier in your gaming career than I did. :)
@adrianpj6177
@adrianpj6177 Жыл бұрын
Came for the GM tips, stayed for the commercial. Definitely worth a follow! Loved the GM tip as well
@FrostSpike
@FrostSpike Жыл бұрын
I recently ran a giant octopus fight for a 6th level party, should have been a walkover for them, but I teamed it up with a bunch of giant crabs who couldn't really inflict much damage, but had the annoying habit of grappling the PCs and dragging them off somewhere where they couldn't attack the main opponent.
@kyamerondesu
@kyamerondesu 3 ай бұрын
Man, this video was incredible. Thank you Ginny!
@lukefairhurst5980
@lukefairhurst5980 Жыл бұрын
this is an excellent video! really helpful and well-paced - even the sponsored segment was enjoyable (and thank you so much for making it concise). love your shirt as well!
@the_metamancer
@the_metamancer 11 ай бұрын
As the forever DM of 8 years, the craft is never complete. Thanks for the tips!
@Futmob600
@Futmob600 Жыл бұрын
Solasta Crown of the Magister taught me so much about setting up combat and action economy. I’ve begun implementing what I studied about that game in my own DMing and it’s made my combat so much more engaging.
@alexdlocoa
@alexdlocoa Жыл бұрын
I didn't know what to do about action economy, so what I did was give the big bad evil guy more turns. I would let the bad guy attack an additional time for every attack made against him. He still went down, but it was a lot tougher for the players, and they really enjoyed it. I don't know how to make that work rules as written.
@lurikriesen5815
@lurikriesen5815 Жыл бұрын
Thanks. Side note on ganging up on a single party member. Depending on the inteligence of the monsters it can be FUN for them to focus fire on the tanks. It leads to the following effects: 1. The player start feeling the danger of the action economy tipping to the monsters side. 2. The character have a chance to shine in what they are made for. 3. The shock when the glasscanon realizes, that this round would have just obliterated them. p.s.: For me realizing that the DM is deliberately spreading the damage across the party is often more of a downer than monsters fokusing on what is right in front of them.
@davidparkes7741
@davidparkes7741 Жыл бұрын
Being a Critter i've seen Matt Mercer do this to masterful effect for the players. In my opinion anyway.
@shawngilliland243
@shawngilliland243 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant! You're a wonderful instructor, Ginny Di. Thank you for all of your accessible and comprehensible presentations on DMing and role-playing!
@Kishandreth
@Kishandreth Жыл бұрын
Reactions are huge. Making up reaction skills for monsters can be fun. A slightly evil item I like to give town guards: "pouch of silencing dust" As a reaction to a target finishing casting a spell you may throw this pouch at the caster. Constitution save DC 13 or the caster is silenced for 1 minute. Anytime there is a leader of any sort, the ability to command the troops as a reaction is a given. Reactions to have a minion make a melee attack, move to the leader to protect them or run out of the room for a round and come back with 1d4 additional minions. Even standard reactions are good. Parry is always an option.
@蔡忠翰-i1b
@蔡忠翰-i1b Жыл бұрын
I always make monsters group up as least a squad size, and having them a tatic every time, feels like you are trying to defeat player with lessen pawn, like a chess game when you have less peices than your opponent, it feels great and it gives player think about the tactic they are using.
@bigdungeonenergy
@bigdungeonenergy Жыл бұрын
This was incredibly helpful! I've been DMing for a couple years and this is the first time I seem to actually grasp the term Action Economy. lol. Thank you!
@flushmastercyclonis186
@flushmastercyclonis186 Жыл бұрын
This video is great and I am going to link it to new DMs I see complaining about how CR isn't a magic formula for delivering instantly balanced perfectly challenging encounters they can just mindlessly read off of a stat block and roll dice at. Neat and clear explanations, smooth delivery, an explained as simply as possible. If someone is still completely clueless about why their monsters (or players) keep getting steamrolled after watching this they might seriously want to reconsider being a DM.
@Algathar
@Algathar Жыл бұрын
your ads are always a joy to watch, probably the only ads I never skip
@megan_alnico
@megan_alnico Жыл бұрын
Please more Hacker Ginny. I know the costume is just a hoodie but her attitude is hilarious.
@pumpkinicing
@pumpkinicing Жыл бұрын
Something awesome my DM did for this was setting up a boss fight with a powerful enemy, and the terrain contained several "portals" that could be used to move around the area. The boss would use those to travel and attack the players, encouraging us to move around or ambush, and he also called minions that were previous minibosses or important NPCs we'd faced, so we knew how to take them down but they were still a powerful enough threat to stop us from focusing fire. It made a really memorable fight that was difficult without being frustrating.
@talldriver
@talldriver Жыл бұрын
Great video Ginny. Nicely done once again.
@sharkdentures3247
@sharkdentures3247 Жыл бұрын
Me & my gaming friends have always said, "The most dangerous monster, isn't necessarily the most POWERFUL one. It's the one that is played the SMARTEST."
@purplelibraryguy8729
@purplelibraryguy8729 11 ай бұрын
You know, I've been watching a few of this sort of video lately. But I've been gaming for a long time, so most of them it's just for entertainment really--I end up nodding sagely, or thinking "Well, this is kind of true but there's another layer you're not reaching"--but generally, just enjoying seeing other people who are having fun thinking about the same kinds of things my friends have been thinking about. This one is different. This is actually quite useful! I've thought about things along these lines, but in a more scattered way--this is a powerful approach that brings things together and simplifies how I can look at it. Good stuff. Incidentally, for more sophisticated enemies, I've noticed that the exact same enemy can be vastly different in how challenging it is, depending on how much I've thought about them. If I think about how they would fight, what kinds of tactics they would want to use, how they make use of their allies/minions if any, generally think of them as someone who wants to win a fight rather than just as Obstacle B with ability C, they become far more dangerous. In the language of this video, you get an opponent using whatever opportunities they can to maximize their action economy and disrupt that of the characters.
@GaryKlineCA
@GaryKlineCA Жыл бұрын
Love your ads, they are so entertaining (and engaging). Some great tips here.
@Клятвопорушник
@Клятвопорушник Жыл бұрын
One of the best pieces of advice I have ever seen... Thanks!
@TheGainfulGamer
@TheGainfulGamer Жыл бұрын
Our DM, wishing to challenge us, brought a Marilith, which has reactive, but it was a boss and he gave it 3 Legendary Actions. It was Brutal.
@MeikaArtist
@MeikaArtist Жыл бұрын
Hi Ginny! Recently I have decided to start my first campaign as a DM which scared me a lot but since I like to writte stories, design characters and all that stuff I said, why not? The thing is that, I have also watch lots of your videos and I must thank you not only for encourage me but also for the time you spent creating all this tools and curiosities. Thank you so much Ginny, you are amazing Love ya
@catdragon1313
@catdragon1313 Жыл бұрын
That was another fabulous ad spot, Ginny! The rest of the video too, but goodness I enjoy your creativity 😊❤
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