GIVE PROPS...TO PROPS!!! | SHOCKING World Player of the Year Stats

[@JDSouth1444]

I would love to see Ox Nche win player of the year .. you are right, they dont get the appreciation they deserve

[@cobuswessels7394]

Well said 👏🏻 👌

[@fredfishface]

A wise man once said: "Salads don't win scrums." Perhaps the bosses at world rugby only eat salads?

[@EggchasersRugby]

Hahaha

[@bosvarkd8403]

Cows win scrums 😂

[@siyashosha6241]

"I don't count calories, I count slices of cake"....that's still the best one for me from the wise man 😂

[@avrilgardiner9111]

Brilliant! 😂

[@doctor1011]

😂brilliant

[@mbalizitshu6639]

We won against England in the semi finals through the boot of Pollard, but we forget that it was the Ox 🐂 that bullied his opposite number in the scrum which led to that penalty.... I'm 💯 in agreement with you

[@jacques-gernorefrans9358]

Not just that penalty but most of them

[@newchannelname3395]

no one forgets it

[@LomuHabana]

I doubt that that anyone forgets that. Ox was also the reason the Boks won an England Scrum close to their own tryline. That was the momentum swing that made England lose the game. One of the greatest scrummagers and looseheads in history.

[@adrianincapetown7043]

Jake White recently reminded us in an article that the legendary Doc Craven firmly believed that the most important player in your team is your tight head prop, while the second most important player in your team is the back up tight head prop.

[@tsv8664]

This episode partly explains why you're fast becoming legend online with rugby aficionados. Thank you so very much for this insight. I agree that front rowers deserve way more accolades than they currently receive. Ox has my vote. PSDT&CK close joint 2nd.

[@speakerproductproblem6287]

CK ?

[@speakerproductproblem6287]

Kolbe, I thought you were referring to forwards.

[@JGraemeH]

100% agree. The Ox is built like a piece earth moving equipment but runs like a Gazelle. He's got incredible ball skills. He is the most affable and friendly guy you could meet. But, if I was an international tighthead, he'd be in my nightmares. Unfortunately, WR will do what WR do.

[@Upemm]

WR will do what Billy Beaumont wants them to do.

[@mikezog1030]

Well not sure about "gazelle"... maybe warthog? Just as effective...

[@TheOyster-w2x]

As someone who played Prop, I can you: we had to be fittest on the team. We had to be present at every breakdown, lift at every lineout, be ready for any scrum. So much work had to be done that no one wanted to play the position. Props rarely get the credit they deserve.

[@jan-gertnel4556]

I was a 6'4" tight head, something very satisfying to rule the scrum

[@drfeelgood5011]

I agree. From a lock.

[@temfish]

True. And just lose a scrum and everyone is on you. But hell there was alot to do. It's a bit less today with the roles being split with pods and all that.

[@mvubu6823]

Without sounding sentimental, EBEN is overdue this award.

[@Camcolito]

He is a douchebag, I'd prefer to see Ox get it.

[@vidu635]

No he is not, he was amazing but he’s never been the best player on the planet. Not even the best player on his team atm

[@rickwaterboer3112]

😂😂​@@vidu635

[@WyndhamPGP]

Ox for WPOTY!!! Go get them Tim 😂

[@PhillipDawson10]

Os du Randt should have also had a nomination considering what he did over a long lifespan, 2 World Cups (1995 & 2007, 12 years apart )and he could run with the ball ... so let's get the next Os (Ox) and give some love to the props

[@JusZel]

One of my favorite debates is "best rugby player"? How do you compare what PSDT does vs. Ox vs. Du Pont? Its silly IMO. Why don't we award?: - Best tight 5 player - Best loosie player - Best backline player or something to this effect which recognizes the talents of a specific facet of the game. Viva la scrum!

[@draterlarebil4506]

So true

[@JGraemeH]

I agree - it's hard, but you have to look at which player has consistently stood out most in their position and areas of discipline.

[@juzzapearse-li1ys]

Love that idea. Excellent.

[@w0tnessZA]

Agreed. It's like comparing tomatoes with apples while asking"Which apple tastes the best?" 😂

[@casperkruger348]

Id throw 9 and 10 toghter under playmakers, then backline

[@ghostcrabman]

Loved watching Beast play. Everyone in the stand as well as at home shouted BEAASSTTTT when he had the ball. Men, women, children. The neighbourhood dogs barked.

[@michaelcoleman5031]

One of the world's wonders that anyone thinks any ref knows what's happening in the frontrow!! As former ref I love props - no Hollywood actor can beat them for injured innocence expression of bewilderment. They live in their own world that everyone else should stay out of. But as usual totally agree Tim

[@terenceadams1311]

Couldn't agree more. As South African an rugby enthusiast I lovd fhe scrums and cant wait for the first knock on. Go Ox

[@imopn]

You are a true ambassador of the game Tim. Hooe you and this channel keep growing. Wr need Rugby pundits globally to be more like you. People who actually love the game. Agree on Ox. He is s a beast and a great human.

[@kevinsummerley5399]

😂 Love the passion, Tim. But you make a solid point. In the case of Ox, extremely solid!

[@essenceofsa]

Exactly right. Scrums are what make it rugby Union and we all love a good scrum ❤

[@johanmaritz230]

Ox, PSDT and Kolbe have been phenomenal and deserve to share player of the year. That said, you’re spot on wrt props and the bloody IRB that want to downplay scrums… but that’s another story. Back to props… Ox reminds me so much of Os du Randt, and ironically both nicknames are “Ox”. They both would have been worthy. I agree, Ox deserves it at minimum as recognition for all other props not recognized. But Ox has been phenomenal this year. Well said Tim!! Would love to hear an interview between you and Sir John Kirwin wrt the Scrum and Props!!

[@JahnBeukesMusic]

If PSTD gets nominated, he'll say "Rubbish! Ox should be nominated!" If Ox gets nominated he'll say "Rubbish! Nominate PSTD!" A well stated point regarding props for player of the year Tim, all Rugby fans support your view regarding the intrinsic value of the scrum, are all so glad that Beaumont is leaving the IRB (may the other old farts leave with him,) and when push comes to shove, if there's any justice: IRB Award for the best Rugby You Tube Channel on the Planet: Eggchasers Rugby!

[@richardhenry5015]

The Beast won the 2019 world cup final for the Springboks

[@Brendan_M_]

Beast also tore apart the B&I Lions scrum in 2009 and dominated in the Tri-Nations that year. Surprising he didn't get a nomination that year

[@Jack-qv5ru]

And the semi against England in the last World Cup. He’s probably the most underrated sportsman on the planet

[@sakabula2357]

PSDT deserves this...puts in a full 80..plays most matches...gets man of the match in most..28 tackles in the WC final where defence and goal kicking won it for us..I love Ox and played prop myself but Pieter is the best player in the world...

[@shaungordon5104]

ox has been immense and would be huge if he won it. But they can't rob PSTD 2 years in a row!

[@costasmastoroudes7689]

Tim, I am amazed by your insight and knowledge of the game. Fully support your way of thinking. Well done.

[@WORS06]

Wow, i cant believe a prop has never even been nominated for wpoty, thats wild. Ox has to be nominated for wpoty this year along with Kolbe and PSTD, at the very least.

[@pete1983C]

Love this!! And 100% agree.

[@visualflights4573]

I agree, it is the scrum that makes rugby union the best and most popular form of rugby. Go play leaque or 7's if you don't like the scrum.

[@danielcreer-hf6co]

You and two cents are the only ones I’ve watched that openly wax lyrical about the props

[@alexiachamberlin8019]

And Wildkard

[@j-cbaumgartner5761]

Should be a world player of the year in every position .....

[@zealanCA]

Or at least front and backline

[@steyndewet1191]

That's the world XV

[@rudolphlemmer6845]

Timmy. 1 name stands out over decades of great rugby players. Os du Randt

[@Wolf-hh4rv]

Beast but his scrummaging technique was poor. Got penalised for hinging so many times. Problem starts at school when you rely on God given strength

[@damagednoob]

Absolutely. Double world cup winner.

[@dougggiereid]

Totally agree. I was about to comment that you forgot about Os Durant. And then you mentioned him. Glad you also mentioned Tendai. Who can forget the crowd roaring "BEAST!!!!!" whenever he made play!

[@ARCPrecisionSolutions]

They can nominate our prop (ox), scrumhalf(ox) or maybe our fullback(ox) or maybe just maybe our wing(ox)

[@kerrylass2]

Agree about Doris but as it stands right now Ox would definitely would get my vote

[@DanieVenter-mf7bx]

Spot on! The hardworking and "grinding" props.

[@brendanmolloy572]

Tadgh furlong was a top 5 player in the world for about 4 years 2018-2021

[@EggchasersRugby]

GREAT shout...should've mentioned him!

[@garytaylor6408]

Beat me to it, absolute disgrace he wasn't nominated at least, redefined the position forever.

[@FrancoisCoetzee]

The years that Ireland did not play South Africa? Of course he looked good - he did not scrum against the best

[@mariusmarais9750]

Ireland and South Africa are at the top because of : PROPS & HOOKERS Just take a peak down that IRB list then you will see clearly what I mean. Luckly in South Africa - the South African Rugby Player of the year we praise our Props and Hookers - And praise our forwards for the hard work they put in

[@brendanmolloy572]

@@FrancoisCoetzee you do realise he has a winning record against South Africa including with the lions 6 wins 5 losses and that was out of his best years??

[@coatknight]

It is surprising that Carl Hayman, Os Du Randt, Beast, and Malherbe have never been nominated. Rather disappointing that Fourie Du Preez never won the award either when you listen to Gregan (surprising he never won it either), Marshall etc. as well as the other players who played with him or against him. Further interesting Stats: Argentina: 2 nominations Australia: 15 nominations England: 13 nominations; 1 winner France: 9 nominations; 3 winners Italy: 2 nominations Ireland: 13 nominations; 3 winners New Zealand: 31 nominations; 11 winners (3 players who won it multiple times) Scotland: 2 nominations South Africa: 19 nominations; 3 winners (Etzebeth received his 2 nominations 10 years apart) Wales: 5 nominations; 1 winner While New Zealand dominates this list it is surprising that only 3 players from South Africa (19/3), Australia (15), Argentina (2) have won it. 36 total southern hemisphere nominations bar NZ. All together, 14 wins from 67 nominations. Northern hemisphere had 8 winners from 45 nominations. Nominations: SH 67 (60%) vs NH 45 (40%) Winners: SH 14 (64%) vs NH 8 (36%) Take NZ's clear dominance (outlier) out of the equations makes for interesting reading: Nominations: SH 36 (44%) vs NH 45 (56%) Winners: SH 3 (27%) vs NH 8 (73%) Removing NZ shows a bizarre anomaly, considering South Africa and Australia have been top 5 nations for over 2 decades. While overall the stats will show southern hemisphere dominance, removing NZ, it reveals some favoritism toward the European countries.

[@brendanmeehan1147]

"If you remove the nation that dominated the sport for nearly all of the professional era up to recently, then the stats looks biased" is a pretty silly argument.

[@coatknight]

@@brendanmeehan1147 No, it is not and you fail to see the significance. So be it.

[@Hard_Thinker]

The numbers don’t lie

[@Goggawie]

SA never been favourites in the eyes of the rest of the world

[@PowrAl]

I really hope your voice has an impact on WR making their decisions for nominees and I totally agree with you. I started my rugby career at tight head prop and boy do you suffer. Scrum machines with no pads when they used to be tied onto the iron frame, coming close to breaking my neck several times. It is an absolute grind and I can't imagine what its like in today's professional game at the highest level.

[@jeaniquewilliams7936]

Hi Tim, I love Ox, but my personal choice for World Rugby player of the year would be Cheslin Kolbe. He came very close in 2019, but I believe this is his year. If Ox should win it, that would also be fantastic...about time Props get their well deserved recognition.

[@glentweedie602]

Tim, now that you have jabbed the thorn into WR butt, they will definitely nominate a prop. Probably a guy from Japan or Uruguay or from an island that no one has ever heard of. But a Saffa? No way in hell. Its really good that your channel has been highlighting props and scrums every time you go looking for monsters on the field tho. You needed to start this channel 10 years ago, brother.

[@rudolphlemmer6845]

Ox in that last scrum of the RWC 2023. He won the penalty. He is a monster

[@gertdupreez6273]

Tim, you made a very interesting and revealing comment - the fact that the scrum makes rugby unique. It is so true. It creates the necessity for different sizes and skills of players! I've never thought of it in that light - great observation!

[@TobiasCassidy]

Totaly agree Tim!

[@donovanmostert6692]

Tim.i love the fact that you are an absolute traditionalist when it comes to ethos of this sport and what it means.but I love even more that with that said,your views and opinions are out of the box and super insightful.loved the comment on rugby league 👏 😀 👌 My nomination for world pundit of the year is you Sir.

[@benvandermerwe4934]

Public props for perfectly and professionally promoting problems properly participating propping up props partner Tim. 👏🏻⚡🥃🇿🇦

[@claytonsaville]

Your video on the final whistle after the 2023 game is what cemented you as a rugby legend, how you kept it together is beyond me.

[@avrilgardiner9111]

I absolutely, absolutely agree.

[@afikiletokwe9938]

Yes Tim, Yes!!! The pillars(props) of success.

[@MichaelD-w1q]

....Tim, your insight, comments and knowledge about this game we love deserves huge respect... Always anticipating new videos and comments. ..Great work pal...

[@groovejets]

Good vid. Tendai "The Beast" Mtawarira was immense. He is such a servant of the game, such a strong, hard man. Man my hair would stand up everytime he ran onto the field. Every time he crashed over the line and the crowed yelled "Beast!". Great moments in the game. Os Durant as well. These guys are why I love the game. World Rugby needs to show love.

[@Admin-ur2ph]

I don't think a prop will ever be nominated ... I was a tight head prop since I was 7 years old . I started gyming at age 14 to be the biggest strongest prop for my province . At 16 I was 117kg scored on average 9 tries a year , represented my province ,but never got special recognition. Hey we are the forgotten people ,oversized ,scary in some ways . But getting a tight head was my recognition. Screw the rest ,we as props dont need recognition ... thanks Tim as always , just love love your channel.... things would be so much fairer with you as world rugby boss

[@denhamking7000]

Tim we love you in SA. Keep doing your unbiased conversation. Calen Doris agreed

[@allancameron8239]

Tim, you won't admit it wholeheartedly, but methinks you're a closet Bok supporter, eh? C'mon, you're already an honourary Saffa. Just come out and say it, hehe! Arguably the best rugby content creator on this medium.

[@gavinsmith28]

This is my favourite channel, thanks again 🎉

[@gysgijsbers4202]

Trevor Nyakane, Springbok prop for his celebratory DANCE!!!

[@kevinowen4824]

Hi Tim. I am a South African. Absolutely love your show Please keep up the great work. Well done

[@stephenshort4281]

That's simply staggering. I totally agree with you about Ox. And aside from his incredible contribution on the field, just think about his life story. What an amazing cheery on the icing that would be and I cannot think of a single springbok player who would not celebrate it!

[@5PRINGB0K]

Agree 100% about scrums, it makes rugby great. Maybe it is time that is celebrated.

[@johnmcmahon4222]

Doris for sure. What a player!

[@saffaseppo7664]

Thank you for bringing attention this injustice. It is like you read my mind and used your channel as a platform to get this out. Thank you. You are 100% correct about Ox. Just think how different Springbok results would be without the scrum dominance and penalty count at scrum time. How many critical scrums have the Boks had in their half (I can think of a very controversial one this past WC!) where the pack has pulled the get out of jail card. Couple that with his open field play, I think he is one of the the most valuable players in the Bok team.

[@tessawhitfield2018]

I love this analysis Tim, and I agree with you - astonishing, because there have been some absolute legends of the front row in my life time of watching rugby (Jason Leonard for England and Os du Randt for RSA are two that come to mind immediately) - thank you for pointing this out (hope there are people listening!).

[@BORDERLINEKEVIN]

Frans Malhelbe, is the ultimate scrumming/rucking/defensive prop of all time. All his stats support it. Even when people thought he was "fat" he was putting in shifts that most props exaggerate their stats would be when telling stories to their mates. He will forever be a piece of the legacy that is the "new dawn" of forwards who do the hard yards, so no one else has to

[@petejohnball1564]

Thanks for giving Frans Malherbe a mention. Such an underated player. Totally agree that the scrum is such an integral part of this game we love. Unfortunaly some Antipodeans would do away with it completely. (Until they start winning again). Keep up the good work.

[@Capie]

Good discussion! Absolutely agree!!

[@darryldavid330]

You tell them Tim. Great analysis. Ox deserves it. Who can ever forget what he did at World Cup.

[@abescheepers]

World Rugby will say you are biased to South Africa but wtf you are a great ambassador for rugby.👏🔔🏉

[@fraserlynn9488]

Great Call, Ox has an alround game, he does all the prop stuff, distructive scrummager, picks and drives, tackles like a demon but this is the bit I love, he is the most fantastic distributor with the softest hands. The last point I think is his piste de resistance is his personality, never argues, never carded but just delivers so I like you Tim think Ox is unrivalled this year.

[@gopolanglekoto]

📍Ox is as tall as he is wide. If he was a Pokémon, he would be Golem. Dude is such a unit for us. ❤ It would be incredible for him to even get a nomination for Player of the Year.🎉

[@LomuHabana]

As a short guy myself (even shorter than Ox), I love seeing a 5’8 -5’9 dude destroying opposition scrums with tightheads 15-20 cms taller and 10-30 kg heavier than him. It shows Rugby really is a sport of ALL shapes and sizes.

[@lf4416]

Tim, you really are a true rugby fan! I don’t know how you don’t let your - what I think is a natural - bias get in the way of your love for the game! You are truly a better fan than I am. You get so excited by other teams playing good rugby. I adore the Boks, I am a good fan in that I’ll congratulate the opposition if they win but I can’t get excited by it 😂 I’ll never be online slamming the opposition or moaning about the ref or being ungracious in victory but you just take the cake for enjoying it all! Love the channel, looking forward to the end of year tour and crossing everything it’s a good one for the Boks! And I agree, justice for props! I love Ox, he’s always smiling and then he just breaks his opposition in the scrum 😂 Absolute legend!

[@JonathanSchroder-xc4fl]

Your insights shared on how the scrum and variances in shapes and sizes required creates opportities and influences the game we love .... great insight and observation. Needs to be emphasised and appreciated!! Great stuff Tim!

[@theoclarke5510]

I really loved this post Tim. Such an eye opener. As usual, thank you sir.

[@kidMclean]

Spot on Tim and countless times we have won because of that . Never thought of it much before

[@mdavidom5903]

This man Tim is an international treasure.

[@avrilgardiner9111]

I agree. A wide perspective in the fair play tradition. I see one or two people reckon he's kissing the Bok's butt but they are clearly missing the point. One must just ignore it.

[@x-latetv-x6816]

​@@avrilgardiner9111they are double world champions in a row so kissing their butt if thats what it is, is perfectly acceptable

[@avrilvandermerwe2523]

Excellent summary. Totally agree. Great nominations you mentioned. Love our Team South Africa Bokke

[@mignoncronje346]

Ox Nche is the World Player of the year. Come November he is going to give lesson in scruming. 🇿🇦💪❤️

[@marchooper8675]

Thanks for your provocative subjects Tim

[@NicoDuplessis-cn1tv]

This is a major injustice and needs to be rectified immediately!! In the immortal words of Balie Swart “Props win you the game, the rest of the players determine by how much.” Ox for POTY!

[@WyndhamPGP]

Maybe a few props should 'visit' the decision makers 😎😀

[@marlin7042]

😂😂😂

[@DJCandelite001]

Wow what a refreshing narrative, love it and I totally agree. From a sprinter...

[@nickwolmarans9263]

Tim I am enjoying your content more and more, keep up the great work!👏

[@marnixhoebers5176]

Hardest workers on the team and definitely don’t get the recognition they deserve. Great video Tim.

[@mybadgaming6786]

That's why I love your channel. You always have the best content.

[@lianeponton1709]

You tell ''em Tim, it's not just for the glory boys , you make a huge amount of sense. Hopefully World Rugby are paying attention.

[@MarcWithersea]

Very good points! Obviously as a Bok fan I'm running through our team for Player of the Year. Totally agree on Ox. I'd pick out Eben too, maybe? Thanks for reminder of all those great props from the past.

[@benardmbulamberi2260]

I think your submission is gonna change the way World rugby approaches this! Thanks

[@marcstephenson9712]

I agree Tim with everything you say. We love Rugby Union and it's because there are scrums, lineouts and mauls. The stars in the backing can't shine without a solid platform

[@jenny02121]

Tim, we really missed you in Nelspruit.

[@MrDude-ht3rv]

Fully agree with you Tim. Props are just as important as other positions. Scrums are the heart of rugby.

[@edwardhorner4445]

I agree that props need to be recognised , but this year Pete Steph Du Toit deserves player of the year . He made 28 tackles in world cup final , man of the match , man of the match against Argentina & he played in different positions several times .

[@duncanmanning3733]

It's about time the big boys get the recognition they deserve.

[@benvetonline]

Wow this is eye opening. Thank you for the research. I hope the big boys get some reward

[@grahamarthur]

Yay got to get behind Ox! What a great player and so much more than just a scrummager. Great carrier, great link play, great defender. He’s brilliant.

[@revenant2979]

Great show again (and we used to not like England that much...a lot). With the URC starting, we back in to it. Rugby is now a year long sport. Since I watch the Premier League (MU!!), although I think the French 14 is the best League in rugby, the URC has come of age and is giving class rugby, full stands and money in the game and really awesome games. The Irish four regions play absolutely farosios rugby as they going to war I mud and rain almost killing each other and then smiling and handshakes all around. I agree with Doris, It's like SA going to NZ and winning. Player of the year Ox would be a great choice but there is no rugby player on earth standing higher than PSTD at the moment, he is beyond great in our current time.

[@vp0029]

No one understands the technicalities of scrummaging. And the nuances of great scrummaging are difficult to observe. That’s why props are underrated.

[@Graham159871]

I was convinced PRSD deserves the world player of the year but you have convinced me that Ox deserves it. You are worth your weight in gold to rugby Sir, well done

[@kingwobz7556]

100% agree, the scrum is a thing of beauty and needs to be celebrated, it is often dismissed as people who havent played in the scrum dont realise the technical aspect and nuances that go into it, they just see it as a bunch of big guys pushing against each other unfortunately.

[@aubreythorne2051]

Fantastic take Tim. Fully agree.

[@trevoroutim8519]

What a revealing video. I totally agree with you on this Tim. Ox for the win. Props need more respect.

[@BlazeEigs]

Couldn't agree more. He's a penalty machine and gives us more go forward and gets us out of more tight spots than any other player. If it were a 15 it wouldn't even be a discussion. He's become the first name I look for when the team is released.

[@cpk001]

Spot on. Excellent video as usual.

[@lindasmith3451]

So agree with you, Ox is such a work horse and deserves some recognition and an award like player of year, would do him justice. Let's speak out for props for nomination.

[@ukkbiguy]

Excellent thread. It defines the essence of rugby. It's sort of reminiscent of the golfing drive for show putt for dough.

[@StretchFletcher]

Brilliant Tim. Props are the real deal.

[@robcrocker348]

I am actually shocked by the stats you pulled up Tim, well more like horrified 😲 how awesome would it be if a front rower got recognized. Unfortunately world rugby for whatever reason won't give it to a south african, look what happened to the south Africans in the world xv and to Eben when he was nominated. Anyway awesome content as usual.