Gizmodo Doesn't Get Space Marine 2 (A Response Video)

Whenever a new game comes out that's highly successful and well recieved, you can expect a few people to be angry about it; especially when that game isn't supporting that normal narratives. Space Marine 2 dares to be a successful game that allows players to become Space Marines, fighting and slaughtering enemies of mankind while looking absolutely badass. These guys love what they do and HATE who they do it to.
So...obviously, a troll or two has to come out of hiding to remind us that we're not supposed to like them...so let's address that bullcrap.

[@zirkalda9502]

Calling the Emperor a corpse? Sounds like heresy to me.

[@hariman7727]

I'm pretty sure that's what Magnus the Red calls The Corpse Emperor in What If The Emperor Had A Text To Speech Device... and the rest of Chaos for that matter.

[@zirkalda9502]

@@hariman7727 Like I said, heresy.

[@brother_horrigan]

Indeed brother

[@dudeboydudeboy-zj8kd]

No one calls the Big E a corpse!

[@riptheripper85]

Heresy and treachery! I have Friends in the inquisition. They Will know about this transgressions.

[@FANTOMMAXX]

"SeRvInG a CoRpSe oN a ThRoNe" sounds like something a heretic would say (Gray Knight chainsword reving)

[@Rhidcully]

He is pretty sassy for someone in eternal crusading distance.

[@Nightmare704RY]

Grey Knights don't use chainswords you alpha legionare!

[@FANTOMMAXX]

@@Nightmare704RY I am alpharius

[@extremel.z.s3140]

​@@FANTOMMAXXNo I am Alpharius

[@C0ldIron]

Sargon pointed it out back during the “Warhammer is for everyone” stuff. They write assuming that chaos is right.

[@vslv5006]

The distributist also has a really good video on warhammer. Should watch it

[@BigBadWolf30]

😂 that jabroni? Nah he sucks

[@709mash]

If you take Sargon seriously in any way, you've fallen for propaganda. He's a bad actor and associates with literal Nazi's.

[@kibi8311]

Quoting Sargon is beyond cringe and doesn’t the imperium eat corpse paste everyone is bad even the humans the closest we have to a good guy are the tau lmao and they suck

[@C0ldIron]

@@kibi8311 corps starch is the emergency emergency ration. Nobody wants to eat but in the cases of hive cities you take what you can get. And it’s not like they kill people to make it it’s recycled from people who die of other stuff. Yes, cannibalism is horrible but war makes people do horrible things. I’ve never seen people freak out and say Zeff from one piece is a cannibal because he ate his own leg they treat it as one of the most bad ass aspects of the character. Also you are free to opt out of identifying as human in the matter of fictional setting but don’t act like you’re mentally superior when the rest of us go “I am a human so humanity are the good guys” This is be we can separate ourselves from the morals of our time and accept that they are doing the best they can with their given circumstances.

[@bulldowozer5858]

It very easy >What is your duty? To serve the Emperor's will! >What is the Emperor's will? That we fight and die! >What is death? It is our duty!

[@poorknightofthehollowhills8489]

Nah. You stick to your precious corpse and delusions of personal grandeur, human. MY duty is to the people of my Craftworld, both dead and alive.

[@dean_l33]

What is your pledge?

[@grzegorzflorek5623]

​@@dean_l33My pledge is eternal service!

[@JoseHernandez-fz4ef]

While the enemies of the Emperor still draw breath there can be no peace.

[@darkelite1829]

Honestly Gizmodo sounds like a chaos fanatic more than anything in this whole thing...

[@hendrikworung1967]

More like someone from Word Bearers would do to destabilize the Imperium

[@firefang600]

Or alpha legion

[@blazingknight1276]

​@@hendrikworung1967Funny enough, I was hearing Alpha legionnaire rather than Word Bearer. Too much insistence on you're wrong rather than I am right.

[@MNM-lq9te]

​@@hendrikworung1967that is what the alpaha legion does, word bearers are too busy worshipping litterally deamons and shit.

[@malcolm_in_the_middle]

@@hendrikworung1967 No, they're not that sophisticated. This is just the ramblings of a cultist.

[@solvdrage1456]

14:39 As a representative of the Tyranid Hive Mind. I say we are right. If y'all didn't want to be eaten, why is everything made of food?

[@xtremeranger30]

The journo is also misreading Rogue Trader too with the silly satire arguement. The game even allows you to rationalize an exterminatus to prevent a world falling to Chaos with the Imperium dogmatic choice.

[@dean_l33]

That's btw is the morally correct choice

[@Xahnel]

Iirc, there is an option to rescue a bunch of people who fell to chaos, and they were presented as pretty innocent, but if you rescued them, they would become a Chaos outbreak on your ship?

[@xtremeranger30]

​@@Xahnel Yeah your Ordo Xenos Interrogator companion warns you about evacuating the civilians and he turns out right when some of them are Chaos cultists blending in on your ship.

[@Xahnel]

@@xtremeranger30 Honestly, that's sort of the microcosm that proves the whole "bUt ItS sAtIrE" thing wrong. It would be satire if the Inquisitor was wrong, and saving the civilians caused no issues, and his paranoia wasn't completely justified. But he was right. And that's what happens every time. The imperium does some whack ass shit, you think they're being unjustly cruel, then you learn the why, and realize "I guess they had a point." And that just keeps happening until you're flooded with examples and you just sort of adopt the position of "it's a shitty life, but they don't act like that without cause".

[@randomusernameCallin]

@@Xahnel I chose the morally good and reasonable answer: "We're out."

[@enovos3138]

I love how the "warhammer is satire" crowd swaps to "warhammer is fascist propaganda" the moment you question them

[@weirdferretthing]

To be fair, it's not like GW can stick to one or the other either

[@enovos3138]

@@weirdferretthing Isn't there like a civil war in the company between the black library writers?

[@ianduarte1992]

Ive read codexes and new and old material, old as in first codexes, and truth is that "it was always satire" is a huge pile of crap, 40k morphs into whatever shit they want it to be, and they seem to have settled on some stupid and "serious and grimdark" shit, thats actualy just stupid in a lot of ways that often makes no sense.

[@DefaultProphet]

@@ianduarte1992 Everyone who created 40K says it’s satire but okay

[@ianduarte1992]

@@DefaultProphet Paul Verhooven says Starship troopers is fasvist, just be just because thjey say doesnt mean its right or that it makes sense.

[@thomas777803]

The Imperium aren't good guys, but they are the "good guys" of the setting based on the fact that they're the only faction that actually wants to preserve humanity, even if they're forced to go to extreme lengths to do it.

[@curtislangdon8294]

Good guys is a bit of stretch, "main characters" undeniably since they''re the prominant and most marketed faction next to Chaos. Being a guy who got into the hobby in 2004 where the Tau were fresh and presented as Star Trek kind of "good guys" and how everyone else had such a response to that was quite the experience.

[@thomas777803]

​@curtislangdon8294 Eh, agree to disagree. Considering what their up against, I'd argue that most of the time the Imperium's actions are justified. It just helps highlight how effed up the 40k universe is, that a faction as horrible as the Imperium is humanity's best hope for survival.

[@curtislangdon8294]

@thomas777803 Humanity could survive under the Tau Empire fine, since unlike everyone else, the Tau don't believe in unilateral genocide for everything that isn't them (Orks and Tyanids being notable exceptions). Humanity would lose their identity as the dominant force in the galaxy for sure in that context, but would that really be so bad compared to letting the Imperium spiraling down to implosion after implosion? That's also overlooking the fact that Chaos is as powerful as it has become because of the Imperium, not in spite of it.

[@GrugGangGrugGang]

@@curtislangdon8294 The Tau aren't a real player in the Great Game. The imperium ceding to the Tau would mean a massive power loss for the forces opposed to chaos. It would be the doom of not only humanity, but everything that isn't Chaos, Ork, or Tyranid. Stop fanboying so hard, you are making the rest of us look bad.

[@thomas777803]

​@@curtislangdon8294I doubt humanity would survive under the tau empire. If the tau did manage to take over the galaxy, they'd be a minority in their own empire. More than likely the ethereals would go on a mass sterilization campaign of humanity to slowly replace them with more reliably loyal tau. Even then the Tau are not going to be able to take over the galaxy as they stand now.

[@Benjaminy2k]

Claiming Warhammer is satire is a sure sign of a tourist tbh

[@Crown-of-Solomon]

The Imperium of Man does not commit atrocities just for the shits & giggles… *It commits atrocities because it has to, merely just to SURVIVE*

[@vslv5006]

And we all know it, even them. That’s why you see them defending chaos and bugs constantly. They just hate all that the imperium and mankind stand for. They’re just evil, things get very easy to understand once you realize that

[@tomobrouns8586]

Do you not get the point? they dont have to commit such atrocities. i really like the way the writer of the night haunter books put it. "thats the recurring theme running through virtually every piece of fiction for the franchise: none of these evils are truly necessary. They're just the path of least resistance." 40k is satire, with some more serious aspects, but in general if you dont also see the ridculousness of 40k that is always present, you arent getting the inteded message from the authors.

[@marducms]

Sometimes some of their members do. Because you always must have an antagonist inside of the strutucture.

[@dean_l33]

Let be honest sometime it's because of shit and giggles but most of the time you're correct

[@vslv5006]

@@tomobrouns8586 Even if they don’t have to, most of the time they’re just desperate, broken and lost. Their actions are not written the way they are bc haha dumb guy violence. Their whole existence is tragic and horrible, that’s just what life is en wh40k

[@exosuite]

Yes, let's focus on satirizing the humans as they desperately try to fight for survival against the equivalent of space Locust.

[@bohemianearspoon8493]

Why does every attack article on 40k fans sound like they are written by choas worshippers

[@Xahnel]

Because they unironally are the exact sort of people who would worship Chaos. Among them, every Chaos god but Khorne has representation.

[@RedCrusader-ph2vk]

​@@Xahnel*C H O A S You're gonna set off the inquisitorial censors!

[@Xahnel]

@@RedCrusader-ph2vk It's fine, I'm dating a Sororitas.

[@randomusernameCallin]

The heroes of 40k shows the values they hate or get in their way.

[@bohemianearspoon8493]

@@RedCrusader-ph2vk the Leandros alert

[@sorvoe5513]

*implying the moral decision for fighting Tyranids is to blow up the planets* Kryptman, we talked about this.

[@GreatHornedCynic]

Been a while since we had a good rant.

[@malcolm_in_the_middle]

I've never bought the "satire" argument for 40k. The entire setting was made to justify the endless war for the tabletop game. It was bleak and dark, and people only started arguing that it was satire after they were criticised for making the Imperium look good. It's never really been satire, it's just Grim Dark. And that's a good thing.

[@chrisdiokno5600]

True. but its not entirely all gloom and doom, we still wee moments of goodness, howver small

[@lunerblade13]

What do you think of the slander thrown to the live action one piece actress for robin due to her original nationality?

[@Ragehaven]

I personally find it absolutely disgusting. From what I understand, she was a child when she left Russia. Not that that actually matters, of course. Being Russian doesn't make her evil.

[@RipDippler]

@@lunerblade13 just more generic American Exeptionalism

[@randomusernameCallin]

40K can be satire but for it to work the writers need to play it 100% straight. Even in Ciaphas Cain the comedy comes not from the setting but Cain having bad luck and a self-mocking pov while fighting things that can kill space marines. What they truly hate about 40k the good and heroic characters show values they do not agree with or get in their way.

[@oxydoxxo]

Yes. It's about destroying what was already there, not making anything better.

[@rexanderson4585]

DIS HUMMI GOTZ DA RITE IDA

[@Crass_Honey_Badger]

“You got new friends now, Space Marine!”

[@morgothastartes]

Imperium are good guys because they are human and we had glorious Sanguinius praised be his name and eternal glory to the Angel!

[@TheZamaron]

Doesn't make them good guys, but it makes them the guys we root for anyway as we're Human, so we'd want the Humans to survive, and if the Emperor did actually die and the Throne fail well everyone's screwed then. SO as evil as the Imperium can be it's a neccessity to keep it going, for Humanity's survival and the survival of all.

[@WurrzagsMorkyMischeif]

*games being made to be fun, not made to be morally superior and try to teach it's players like they were children* "journalists": Well on the subject of HERESY!

[@jester9217]

And here I do want a battlefield style game with Warhammer where you play as guard,tau, or traitor guard, with the nids coming it every now and then and just smashing everything.

[@skiadrum9029]

We know it's hopium but i'd want that with eventually every faction. Imagine fighting tyranids as a craftworld eldar in the middle of Iyanden, the damocles crusade, god emperor, the istvaan massacre!

[@L3monwedges]

Communists whenever a good game isn't trying to be a subversive commentary about real world politics or the very IP the game is based on- "STOP HAVING FUN"

[@vslv5006]

It’s worse. It’s “you can’t have fun because you and the things you enjoy shouldn’t even exist”

[@709mash]

Are the communists in the room with us right now? I swear, people throw that term around like there are actual communists with any sort of influence around. Spoiler: there isn't. It's a "Boogie man" to deflect from personal and educational shortcomings, and a tactic used by the far right to "other" people so they can direct unnecessary anger towards people and groups they feel threatened by. There are far more logical criticisms available than labeling anyone you don't like as a communist. It's the same as the far left labeling anyone they don't like as Nazi's.

[@oxydoxxo]

"Your enjoying life is oppressing me"

[@MNM-lq9te]

Kinda odd calling someone a communist for writing an artical on a game...

[@crafty_badger]

Mr McCarthy, you forgot your pills, communists are not under your bad, they can't hurt you.

[@roykiefer-tr1dr]

Every crazy journo - " How dare you gamers have a fun game! How dare you enjoy a game with no political push! And how dare the developer step away from demoralizing pushes and create something fun and good for the toxic cis racist white male gamers!" We need more devs and games like this that just wants to deliver FUN ONLY which is the whole point of a VIDEOGAME.

[@MrVlad12340]

Also Rogue Trader despite the bugs and etc (and most were fixed by now) is probably one of the best Warhammer games we had so far, at least by the nature of it being a first real Warhammer RPG. And in terms of gameplay and etc it was basically on the same level as other Owlacat games, which were all good RPGs with buggy launches. And it does not say "Imperium is bad", it creates an opportuinity to see both good and bad and make your own decision, and it really hammers home the "ALTERNATIVES ARE NOT GOOD EITHER" with Chaos or super-arrogant eldar. Iconoclast is kinda more "humane" but it is also not the best if you consider how seceding and locking your own little slice of paradise essentially leaves anybody outside of it in even worse state than before.

[@Xahnel]

If warhammer is satire, how come every time some leftist tourist outlines the horrible things that the Imperium does, they're immediately forced to give a caveat about the EVEN WORSE THINGS that will happen if the bad thing isn't done? Like, I can only name one group that has a majority of people doing awful shit just because they are comedy villians, and that's the Imperial nobility. Sure, there are _some_ inquisitors that act like that, but not the majority. _Some_ Astartes chapters are lunatics, but not the majority. The Imperium of Man might seem mad from the outside, but writers keep justifying the madness and cruelty with true, if utilitarian, reasons. That's not parody. The outside world is just so batshit that these behaviors become more and more reasonable the more you learn. The days of Obiwan Sherlock Clusaeu hankering after genestealer booty are long dead and gone.

[@DefaultProphet]

@@Xahnel Do you truly believe the only way humanity could thrive in the 42nd millennium is as an anti-technological progress hyper fascist religious dictatorship? That’s what the Imperium believes so of course they can justify their actions through that lens, that doesn’t mean it’s the abject reality.

[@bastil5856]

"Are you suggesting the moral decision is to destroy 3 whole planets?" I mean, these are the kind of people who have literally stated "America isn't worth saving", so why wouldn't that malicious defeatism work its way into their literary analysis?

[@jamiekay4210]

Only a heretic or a genestealer would try to convince us that Titus was wrong for killing Tyranid and the Thousand Sons.

[@DefaultProphet]

@@jamiekay4210 good thing nobody tried to do that. The point of the article that you and this KZbinr missed isn’t that that power fantasy is bad, it’s that the 40K universe is so much deeper and interesting than just swinging chain swords smashin bugs

[@Wormy_fren]

Dude the satire of 40k was shot to death like a decade ago. PEOPLE GOTTA STOP BRINGING UP THIS TOPIC LIKE DUDE! Read the room.

[@kingleech16]

It can still occasionally show up, but it’s certainly no longer the focus.

[@Wyqno]

@@kingleech16 It was never the focus. Just because some comical characters made appearances doesn't mean the setting itself was satirical. Per Priestly, the creator of WH40K, it wasn't made as a satire, but just as a way to put Warhammer Fantasy into a Sci-Fi setting.

[@Drachnyen07]

I was thinking “that’s sounds like how Warhammer goes, grimdark, nobodies good, pseudo-evil (very debatable topic) empire. But when you said “yeah that’s not the point of the game, it’s just a splatterhouse ” I got it fully. Was worried I’d have to debate Raven, ain’t ready for a challenge like that, great vid

[@nothappening5510]

The chapter i love the most is the Lamentors for even more than the Salamanders they fight for the people. "For Those We Cherish We Die In Glory."

[@kingleech16]

I always feel they’ve missed a step with the Raven Guard and their successors. For being the descendants of “The Liberator” who grew up with a slave population he freed, none of them seem to have taken this to heart, instead being generic psycho space marines. It could actually be interesting having Raven Guard and their successors trying to stay true to Corax’s dream in a nightmare society, but I can’t think of a time when it’s happened.

[@yagurainuzuka]

Raven, to be honest, I just got into this hobby, and my favorite faction are the Skavens. Yes please let the world be swarmed by the rats.

[@RipDippler]

@@yagurainuzuka I hate to break it to you, brotherman. Skaven aren't 40k

[@sketnemesie]

The writer sounds like a follower of chaos, quite telling.

[@jamesknighton4489]

40k isn't satire, this why a lot of people don't get 40k, and if it was its doing a very poor job at it because everything is so on the nose (the setting, the factions, the reasoning why all fight an endless war, etc.) unlike seires like The Boys or South Park. Case and point ghazghkull name was based around margaret thatcher name, now does that anything with the orks, no. As the setting goes their are no "good guys" in 40k. Plus if these people know the setting as they claim to be then surely they would about about the nids with their Genestealer cults, the Tau empire trying to gaslight everyone and claim their the better empire despite they had to become the imperium because the universe wants to kill them, the Eldar want to reclaim the once empire and the Necrons want to wipe out all life the universe (To name a few).

[@vslv5006]

A lot of people don’t want acknowledge the fact that it isn’t satire anymore. They DONT WANT TO. That would make it seem like there are values and stories out of they’re ideological control. The resurrection of the lion (for example) has no satire in it, and everyone knows it, it’s not about not getting it, it’s about not wanting to get it

[@jamesknighton4489]

@@vslv5006 that too

[@Undamagedaddyk]

IIRC the guy who created Ghaz actually came out and said his name's not a reference to Maggie Thatcher.

[@randomusernameCallin]

It can be satire but it only works when everyone treat it with 100% serious.

[@jamesknighton4489]

@@randomusernameCallin Like these people who inject everything into this

[@marducms]

Cadia wasn't a last stand because, CADIA STANDS!

[@reaper161988]

there's a line in RvB from one of the later seasons and the end of it is simply perfect for this "When faced with extinction, every alternative is preferable"

[@Random_19]

I actually really want to hear this writer's opinion on the other factions like Tau and the Dark Eldar. Just from their takes on the Imperium I think it would be quite elucidating about the writer's view of WH40K as a whole.

[@gabzsy4924]

Damn man, you are the first youtuber that I came across in a long time with not only a good moral compass but also a good argumentative skills and you're into 40k and For Honor aswell?! Guess I got to subscribe now.

[@havercakes24]

This article is literally word for word those alternative meme articles that post stuff like. “How Guillimon failed the Ork refugee crisis”

[@almevo]

"Corps on a throne" that is heretical talk to me , the writter is a chaos worshipper

[@mattroxursoul]

Terry Pratchett books were satire. Did not stop them from being very charming with endearing characters.

[@kingleech16]

GNU Terry Pratchett

[@pledgebigmike2977]

"...kill in the name of a corpse on a throne" I almost spat out my coffee at such HERESY!

[@momqabt]

Emperor TTS?! I didn't know I'll find a fellow connoisseur here. BROTHER!

[@hariman7727]

The fact that Warhammer 40k is a hot mess of ALL factions being evil is part of the charm, and why the few good people like the Salamanders (I think it's the Salamanders) and Ciaphas Cain, among a few others, stand out that much more.

[@Boxfortress]

By the nature of the lamenters being the lamenters they will never end up on Santa's nice list

[@TechGurl12]

Gotta love another gaming journalist trying to insert their own agenda into games. I might not be into space marines and Warhammer but I do see a lot of hope in it.

[@chrisdiokno5600]

Yeah, its akin to Berserk or Dark Souls. Yes the setting is bleak, but there are people willing to stand against the darkness

[@kerbe3]

Well, there’s also “Brutal Kunnin” and “Warboss” for a PROPA ORKY TAKE ON ALL DIS!

[@thelastskylander904]

Hey Raven, Since Transformers is more up my alley, I may end up watching that Linsey Ellis video essay about Mikaela and I'll tell you if its accurate or not (my gut is saying that is a bunch of malarky though.)

[@eliblessed]

I think i just has an apifiny: these people (games journalists, movie journalists, etc) can't understand nuance. They think titas isn't fighting back because the writers want to show him as accepting orders. They can't understand that you can show how someone feels by what they DONT do. Seriously, I think that is it. They think titas not telling the squad his backstory as him not WANTING to tell the backstory. They are so used to expressing themselves openly and screaming into the sky that they can't even comprehend the idea of stoicism or introspection. It has to be outspoken for them to belive it. Make a lot of sense too. They don't see Titas as questioning orders because it does not show him getting into a yelling match with the captain on the bridge, like every movie that they DO understand. For example, poe fighting the the admiral in the last jedi, or spock and Kirk arguing in startrek remakes, or the constant 'did that really just happen?' Quirps in modern games. They can't comprehend feeling an emotion or belief and NOT making their voice heard. (Sorry for typos. On phone)

[@youtubeisapublisher6407]

Imperium might not be good guys in the abstract sense, but they are definitely one of the least-bad guys. Nids, Necrons and Chaos are all vastly worse both in their ultimate goals and in sheer scale of damage caused. Taken in that context, if you’re playing a game as imperium versus any of those guys you are definitely the “good” guy.

[@GeistDrachen]

The funny thing about the satirical/power fantasy side of games is that games like the Ace Combat franchise embraces this, yet also tells a story that while secondary to the gameplay, is still fascinating. Hell, the world in which in which this whole franchise (at least the numbered games) takes place in is literally called Strangereal. It's the dumbest name for a world ever, yet it works. It embraces the theatrical, campy, and fantasy side of aerial dogfighting that was inspired by Top Gun and succeeds.

[@nickchrappa]

Hearing what the writer of the article is saying. Found the chaos cultist.

[@Kavewolf1989]

I got into 40k when I saw total biscuit do a "lore in 1 minute" video for another channel on it, which then had me watch his review of space marine, which then had me watch him and Incontrol playing a DND like tabletop game. Rest in peace to them both. From there I just started watching long lore videos from a bunch of different guys.

[@qwqwqwqw99]

These are the types of people that have all the sympathy in the world for villains but none for heroes.

[@agamemnonahb]

I remember Warhammer in its earliest days. I didn't bother with it. i couldn't afford it. that was that. Then a few years ago I met a guy at work who was really into it. We talked about it. The VERY FIRST thing he told me was "Everyone is assholes. Everyone is the bad guy. So which group of assholes do you want to learn about first?" That everyone is evil is the part I find most interesting. And the lore has changed a ton since back in the day.

[@rightinthedome9973]

These people always identify with the non humans and forces of hell. Very telling

[@kingleech16]

Well, I like Farsight, but I can still see that the Gizmodo goober is a toolbox.

[@LordTheCyril]

I played Rogue Trader as hyper dogmatic. FOR THE EMPEROR! There was no satire.

[@JoseHernandez-fz4ef]

I think someone mentioned how fans of star wars, star trek, halo would love to live in the world. But no fan of 40k would want to live in 40k.

[@felwinter5206]

Brother as a fellow dark angel i am looking forward to your story of the fallen and the child,seeing space marines contemplate their own humanity is one of my favorite subjects,i hate how so many people pay so much attention to solely the bad aspects of space marines and completely ignore the ones that go against the grain,one of my favorite stories is of sapphon the high chaplain of the dark angels and how he goes out of his way to be a true spiritual and moral guide within the unforgiven,more specifically in a story where he and a team of deathwing are on a planet and find a group of people scrounging for food and the deathwing want to execute them for being outisde after curfew,sapphon doesn't allow this and shows his brothers how they're merely trying their best to survive and killing them would go against everything they were made to do,be the defenders of humanity and the imperium,sorry for the long post and to anyone who read everything thank you for your time 😊

[@bohemianearspoon8493]

3:24 I detect a little Heresy

[@Draculas-knight]

Ahhhh, Adepta Sororitas a man of culture

[@Xgamerdad]

The article is written from the point of view of a chaos marine

[@Nightmare704RY]

Honestly, the satire of 40K to me is how everything is amped up to 12, so I can never take the setting 100% seriously.

[@SoupSultan]

The article might work if SM2 was about putting down a human rebellion. It’s not though, you’re fighting a defensive war against an enemy that wishes to consume all organic life in the galaxy. The tyranids aren’t some misunderstood animal, they’re monsters.

[@markcrist5984]

I just want to point out that Titus was never cast out of the Ultramarines Leandros handing him to the inquisition seemingly without approval from the chapter master. Calgar himself says he was furious when he found out. But with the inquisition not being forthcoming they likely had no idea where he even was. Titus assumed they had abandoned him so that's why he became black shield and as soon as they found him they brought him back into the fold

[@RavenKnightYT]

Indeed. One of the things that made me angry was when we find out that Leandros is the Chaplain. It doesn't seem right that, if Calgar was so angry at what happened to Titus, he would allow Leandros that promotion. But my thought is that he either: A.) Couldn't stop the promotion even if he wanted to, so he allowed it, but relegated Leandros to purely a battle barge position, unable to get the glory in battle he craves, which is what leads to his resentment of Titus even today. B.) He deliberately allowed Leandros to be promoted specifically as a punishment. To turn him into the very thing he'd become: a sycophantic Emperor botherer who could no longer have promotion or reach beyond his station. But again, that's just my speculation.

[@Oblivius33]

They're sympathising with the bugs again aren't they?

[@heinrichkleyn6344]

The Space Wolf in Rogue Trader is named Ulfar? Isn't that the name of the Space Wolf Deathwatch member who died in front of Titus in the opening level of the game?

[@zackariahtravois7125]

Easily my favorite video, I swear this was comedy gold

[@RunCMD97]

Good, evil, or indifferent The Imperium are the protagonists and by default "The Good Guys"

[@yogendramisra9137]

Granted, I only know about 2 percent of the lore. However, ive never seen nor read anything pointing towards satire. Yet, people keep saying that about 40k. Either I'm missing something, or they're using that word wrong.

[@antoniotejera2303]

My favorite faction in the setting are the word bearers, and this article sounds like chaos propaganda.

[@AEspiral]

Modern midia even emulate the Chaos discourse XD

[@RainyFun]

I think he missed the section where you are forced to walk past a bunch of gaurdsmen being executed for retreating...

[@RavenKnightYT]

He mentioned it in the article, but said it was too little.

[@cursedxp6088]

"Sacrifices people in their millions" Erm actually they're sacrificing Billions

[@LinkiePup]

Warhammer is Satire. But that doesn’t mean we can’t not feel like a hero. Space Marine 2 is a tiny slice of the entire Warhammer pie. There are thousands of novels, and stories that go into the satire of the universe. I think you hit the nail on the head when said that Space Marine 2 is allowing the player to live the fantasy of being a space marine

[@LukasJampen]

He talks about black satire and sure there was a lot of goofy satirical shit in the original edition called rogue trader but the franchise has been taking itself more seriously for over 20 years.

[@Xahnel]

They don't want to admit that the days of Obiwan Sherlock Clussaeu are dead and gone, and the setting is getting more genuine each year. Warhammer 40k is not parody. It is the story of a desperate society in its 11th hour holding back the clock from striking midnight by any means.

[@chrisdiokno5600]

@@Xahnel I can sorta see it as a parody of an ultrafascist theocratic society. IE where people aren't allowed to be scared, and doing so on the battlefield is likely to get you executed

[@Bandopede]

The real satire is that these journalists make a better argument for fascism than a work of fiction ever could

[@sharkchaos5160]

Yes another response video and great video Raven. Also, this article is so bad.

[@colvamoon6962]

Good Emperor, the people saying that 40K today is mainly satire, and you cant like the Imperium, are the same people who think the Starship Troopers movie is satire (imo, its a failed satire).

[@dr.calibrations7984]

It is, the actual book is a hyper right wing Star Trek. The bugs are commies and the mobile infantry are one of the first depictions of power armor complete with nuclear weapons.

[@azairecummings7049]

ST is satire just cause you can’t recognize it cause the movie plays everything straight doesn’t mean it’s failed it means you failed to pick up on it

[@dr.calibrations7984]

@@azairecummings7049 Considering it's satarizing something completely different than the book I'd say that's a failed satire. It's like saying "Harry Potter is a satire of Star Trek"

[@colvamoon6962]

@azairecummings7049 I just said it's FAILED satire. Satire usually means you must have elements of the thing your satirizing, beyond a bloody trenchcoat.

[@azairecummings7049]

@@dr.calibrations7984 A. It’s not failed if the direct himself said the movie serves a different purpose then the book and B. The book isn’t a satire the author was completely serious and in favor of everything he wrote

[@sensha5470]

Y'all are saying these people are with chaos. Let me, as a proud follower of the prince of pleasure, be very clear: not even we want them.

[@gervasioandreapatrizio6602]

I feel like I read this article I'll watch and comment to confirm if it is and isn't. Yep it's the one I read hated thought it was a trash article if you guys find it read the comments most are perfect. Also this was a really good video.

[@alastortheworshipperofkhorne]

While i dont like the imperium i understand that they're the "good guys" of the setting but at the end of the day every faction has done some pretty fucked shit for survival or personal gain

[@defenstrator4660]

The setting isn’t a satire. It is easy to satirize, but the setting itself is played straight. It’s an incredibly bleak future that has no connection to our own society in any way. It is literally a culture set forty thousand years from now about an Empire that is ten thousand years old. Its morals, ethics, and cultural are not expected to have anything to do with our own. Time has completely removed them from relevance.

[@pieshka4509]

People that act like worshippers of Slaanesh don't get Space Marine 2 and call the Emperor a corpse on a throne. I for one am shocked, flabbergasted even. Brother, would you mind passing me the heavy flammer?

[@opinionofmine3238]

26:09 *Sudden Extra Credits Flashbacks*

[@inferior3199]

All that talk about "the actual meaning behind the story and setting" and this would be the same type of mf who would ban original Fallout creator Tim Cain for saying critique of capitalism was never the point of the game and yell death of the author and subjective interpretation are also valid

[@watchdogoffarron2800]

Hey Raven. Whats your favorite space marine faction. Im a dark angle myself

[@RavenKnightYT]

Same. I'm a Dark Angels fan. Second favorite is White Scars

[@Draculas-knight]

God i love Calgar ,

[@johnj.spurgin7037]

This literally reads like a chaos warlord's impassioned diatribe, spewed as he fights a bunch of heroic space marines. Or just flat out propaganda from chaos.

[@sensha5470]

We don't want these people either. Signed: a servant of the prince of pleasure.

[@monkeyboy6857]

Trick question: the Greenskins are the only ones right in Warhammer 40k

[@IronDragon-2143]

Wanna know what got me into Warhammer 40k? This is very funny. It was Flashgitz. That was my introduction to the setting 😂

[@mr.rathalos1155]

16:26 didn’t Titus enter a self exile and went to the Deathwatch as a Black Shield of his own accord? Correct me if I’m misremembering but the imperium didn’t oust Titus from the Ultramarines, Titus thought it was best for himself to serve as a Black Shield in the Deathwatch as “penance” for withstanding the touch of the warp

[@RavenKnightYT]

The Inquisition was involved with a lot of that too.

[@mr.rathalos1155]

@@RavenKnightYT I see I just heard that Inquisitor Thrax took Titus and kept him in stasis even after finding no taint from the warp because he hated Astartes and then was later killed for corruption and then Titus went into the Black Shields

[@colbunkmust]

Making a story in WH40K set from the perspective of a space Marine pretty much excludes all possibility of satire from a narrative perspective. The whole point of the job for a space marine is to serve as a bastion against the horrors the galaxy throws at the Imperium. If you want nuance, satire, poli-sci intrigue, sociological philosophy or anything else, then the Emperor's Adeptus Astartes aren't what the story needs to be about. There are plenty of other avenues for that. There really isn't any deep understanding to be gained from the fact that "the space bugs are hangry and we need a big-ass can of Raid". It doesn't change the fact that the SMs are heroes and all games are designed to make you feel like something. Mostly, they're suppose to be fun. Which is probably why SMII has been so successful.

[@Xahnel]

Sounds like Chaos Undivided has control of Gizmodo.

[@interrogatorchaplain8335]

Games journalists are malignant thoughts gone manifest into demons This is so funny to me. I’m gonna make this my single line I’ll ever use

[@douglaspurcell7506]

CORPSE ON A THRONE??!!!! 😤

[@Masterwarrior567]

The only reason why I like Warhammer 40k because of gears of war games and plus I been a fan of Warhammer 40k since 2020

[@ericb2103]

Criticizing the writers for not writing it in the way you think it should have been written? Imagine criticizing Melville for making Moby Dick about the dangers of unshackled vengeance instead of about the beauty of the sea. Such criticism completely misses the point of what the author's meant to portray. You can absolutely criticize what the author's intent was (Disney Star wars for example), or how effectively they conveyed that intent... But to say that what the author portrayed was not what was intended to be portrayed, solely because you interpreted the story differently, is a whole different level of hubris.

[@sainsburyshopper]

Warhammer has comedy in it, satire, tragedy, action, the whole gamut. One of the big draws of the franchise is the unparalleled variation in the stories, games and so forth. To just look at the whole thing and classify it all as satire is small minded.