Glenn Loury | Race in America: The Black Family

Glenn Loury
Brown University
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[@SkeletonModel91]

Glenn Loury and John Mcwhorter deserve a much larger platform.

[@Krazie1nyc]

Tucker Carlson might be the only person to give them that platform. At which people would just ignore them even more. It's frustrating! I'm tired of walking on eggshells. And I'm even more tired of melanin defining everything about a person. It's come to a point where holocaust survivors & their children now make up the "oppressor" class. You know you've entered the "upside-down" when white supremacy's greatest victims are now deemed 1 of its privileged beneficiaries

[@AMAR-ym7sz]

@@julianfischer1485 Ahhh, but Rogan is now on the super, mega, ultra, leftist-to-the-3rd-power platform himself. They will deem any solutions as being racist. Anyone (even blacks like Ice Cube) who tries to actually fix our problems is always attacked by leftists. As though WE need THEIR permission!

[@chiefs816kc]

@@Krazie1nyc Do you listen to Jason Whitlock?

[@Krazie1nyc]

@@chiefs816kc i don't believe so

[@sankalp3513]

Glen has his own podcast. Good content. Megyn kelly also had him on her podcast recently

[@ferocious78]

The family is EVERYTHING!!!! It's the foundation for your Moral make-up. It's your basis for how you handle relationships with every other human you interact with. It's where we should all feel love and safety. It's where you learn how your future is determined through responsibility, action, and reliance on family resources. EVERY lesson starts in the home. They are explored further as we leave our home but it starts while under Mom and Dad's roof.

[@Boricua-tn7ve]

Unfortunately the Government want to be mom and dad. I’m black and I now we got played through the pigmentation of our skin at a time Martin L King dream has since the 80’s- 90’s have fulfilled and become everything our ancestors fought for.

[@garlicgirl3149]

This country is no longer about family.

[@Caun-88]

It's telling that they've been attacking the concept of stable families for years now. Don't start a family, get a baby-momma Be you, life is short have an affair if that makes you happy! "Family values" is just a "dogwhistle" for fascists! These are the kinds of messages being low-key and directly sent to people in general in the West for years, it effects every social group and especially those demographics already struggling with social issues; it certainly doesn't improve them

[@howellwong11]

Das tru. You are like your parents.

[@SeattlePioneer]

Can you please describe this in more detail? I'm not understanding.

[@jasminehouston-burns1691]

I'm wishing men like Glen Loury and Thomas Sowell were my father.

[@ooainaught]

We can always adopt them as our collective fathers.

[@wataki2]

I know.

[@thoticcusprime9309]

@@ooainaught I'll pass

[@doilysimpkin6972]

Consider for a moment how much better things would be if everyone's fathers were like Glenn Loury and Thomas Sowell!

[@rustyshackleford4761]

You work towards being the parent you wish you had.

[@dennisahr545]

A growing number of black leaders are voicing Dr. Loury's ideas which seem to be slowing permeating through our society. More power to them.

[@MrWeaverwa]

Like who? I’m sincerely asking by the way. Thanks!

[@HeavyK.]

Will Joe Biden accept the results of the election?

[@dennisahr545]

@@MrWeaverwa My spelling might be off because I'm naming a few off the top of my head: First and foremost, Thomas Sowell; Walter Williams, Robert Woodson, Shelby Steele, Larry Elder. And the younger set: Candace Owens, Lawrence Jones, Kim Klacik. And lots of KZbinrs like Anthony Brian Logan and Brandon Tatum. Watch "Uncle Tom" (Larry Elder) and "What Killed Michael Brown" (Shelby Steele).

[@dennisahr545]

@@HeavyK. ?

[@MrWeaverwa]

@@dennisahr545 oh ok Loury’s ideas stem from the works of Steele and Sowell, but I get what youre saying. Thanks!

[@Repentee]

Everytime I hear him speak I realize I need to get my vocabulary up.

[@jeremiahj3565]

IKR!!

[@vikingcharley]

Not only a keen intellect, but also a noble spirit.

[@aaronwdraper9775]

Professor Loury treads a middle ground we must ALL travel...a culture that upholds self-destructive behavior as acceptable and then asks overall society to allow that behavior is self-absorbed, suicidal, and bound to be at odds with a society accustomed to edifying behavior. That holds regardless of skin color.

[@thoticcusprime9309]

No I wont be a sheep like all of you

[@givelast5671]

White culture Starts wars and lies about it.

[@DC-ek6ib]

Colonialism is dominating the world. For 500 years cultures are on the world have been destroyed. And it's time passing by Neil colonialism Western dominance will only spread around the world not alone

[@garydowning4326]

I don’t normally comment on video’s , but I really like this one. Tough problems are much more nuanced than the media and the social activist are telling us. It’s about time we look at this from several perspectives to see what the real problems are and forge a way forward. Thank you Dr Lowry

[@kimberly1567]

Incentivizing babies for monetary gain to be raised in an environment not conducive to a healthy family environment must be slowly curtailed by removing the many liberal laws is the only way to start a productive and permanent and positive change. It must start there then we can grow as a combined society

[@thoticcusprime9309]

@@kimberly1567 Society is trash I'll pass on combining

[@garyoakham9723]

Vote Biden. We can do it

[@BillViall]

Dr. Loury is such a clear, courageous voice. It seems these days that anyone with a microphone is either an idiot, coward or both. Dr. Loury goes the other way. The plight of blacks in America is so tortured and seems at bottom, quite unnecessary. It’s a shame power prefers to ignore Dr. Loury. But it does my heart some good to see his valiant attempts to open an honest dialogue.

[@bonsummers2657]

How are things in Africa? Who makes things bad in America? What about personal responsibility?

[@bonsummers2657]

From Aaron W. Draper: ''Professor Loury treads a middle ground we must ALL travel...a culture that upholds self-destructive behavior as acceptable and then asks overall society to allow that behavior is self-absorbed, suicidal, and bound to be at odds with a society accustomed to edifying behavior. That holds regardless of skin color.''

[@bonsummers2657]

from David Paz: ''In his 1956 book "The Peculiar Institution: Slavery In the Ante Bellum South" then UC-Berkeley History Professor Emeritus Kenneth M. Stampp lists the five main traits of a slave plantation. Read the list and see how many of them may correlate to current socioeconomic conditions of African Americans in long time Democrat run inner cities. 1. Broken down, unsafe, and dilapidated housing. 2. Broken families. 3. A high degree of violence required to maintain control 4. Everybody gets a basic provision. But nobody gets ahead. 5. Nihilism and despair. This is an ongoing, intergenerational way of life.''

[@alyswilliams9571]

Why, oh why are not more people listening to this man?

[@easygrl202]

Cuz they listening to wap

[@brett5237]

I've shared as part of my "personal responsibility" as a white person to reinforce this moderate message we all need to hear. We can all spread it.

[@nathanrhodes4131]

Finally Glen is well-lit and has great audio!

[@hvygns15]

Man, it is so refreshing to hear clear and rational thought on these matters! I’m so tired of hearing two sides screaming at each other, and both have points for and against what they’re talking about, but they act like the other side has no legitimacy. If you want to make peace with someone, or ACTUALLY fix a problem, you have to be willing to have a discussion with someone with open honesty, and not try to score “points“ on the other person. Good job Dr. Lowery!

[@mjschoensee93]

I am so thrilled to have Dr. Loury at my favorite institution.

[@nathanngumi8467]

Word. Family makes or breaks society. Responsible parenting is the foundation of prosperity in any society. Yet parenting is social interaction that is influenced by societal structures like the economy.

[@tamericancitizen1713]

A thoughtful American voice.

[@tallboywitshortpants]

That was profound. Indeed, the foundation to making better opportunities for our people is loving, but strong parenting. No opportunities where you are? Leave the status quo and find better opportunities elsewhere. Also, we need to seek out an exceptional man/woman to work with us for the future of the relationship/marriage/family. Not someone who seeks the easy way out, has no moral compass, etc. Obviously, easier said than done, but I'm just reflecting on what Dr. Loury was trying to convey. Thanks for this video!

[@tomkunich9401]

I am a high school dropout. I dropped out to join the Air Force during Vietnam. Apparently I was issued a high school diploma since I only had three months to go but I didn't know that until relatively recently. The Air Force gave me training to work on the bombing systems of a B52-D. Upon getting out after my hitch (VFW) I started out at the very bottom and became a self taught electronics engineer. During this time I never observed any discrimination but neither did I even once see a black man attempting to do the same. I also do not say this with any satisfaction because I was born and raised in Oakland and all of the most respectable people in the neighborhood were black and wouldn't allow their children to play with we Slav's. This had no lasting effect on me. I remember blacks having to sit in the back of the bus and I was a personal witness of white people rising up and ending that in Oakland long before the civil rights movement. This gave me a belief in the basic fairness of people which was underscored upon serving on juries. In the Air Force when the occasional black was assigned to our unit, I couldn't get over there fast enough to welcome him to the unit that the southerners didn't beat me to it. I did see discrimination but it certainly was never direct, but more the like that there were classes of people and while blacks were part of the lower classes, so was I. Today it is pretty much the same only the dividing line is a college degree, even if you are as stupid as a log you are superior to those without one. While I am sure that fatherless homes contribute to the black objection to authority, I believe that the major problem is that too many blacks do not ask enough of themselves. Despite all of the great and intelligent black people they persist in seeing themselves as stupid regardless of their mental capacities. Look at how many black high achievers are pilloried. Do you see that in white society? I was successful despite so much against me. Too many blacks are not trying and blaming others for their failures.

[@walterbrown8694]

Thank you Dr. Loury for articulating the essence of a significant social difficulty which we Americans need to "fix". More of us need to read/hear/understand this -

[@troupsterT]

Even when I disagree with Mr. Loury, I still respect him unceasingly. He is a true intellectual and is truly a man of good faith.

[@annettacatchingsformercand7433]

It is always refreshing to hear your assessment and viewpoint on economic issues as it relates to the social construct of the black community.. I pray that God will give you a bigger microphone because your common sense approach is needed NOW more so than ever.. Thank You

[@biblicalworldview1]

I truly admire the way Glenn shares counter-narratives with compassion and thoughtfulness.

[@carebear6069]

I didn't need a PhD to understand this, as a mother married to the father of my children, I fully support these premises.

[@laius6047]

well as a brother to a sister whose mothers husband is my uncles brother, whose son is me, I agree

[@oliverphippen1957]

many others do not ?????

[@swansonz3534]

@@oliverphippen1957 Then you're not being logical.

[@oliverphippen1957]

@@swansonz3534 If the logic is in error then prove it ???? We will wait ???? looks like it is logical ????

[@swansonz3534]

@@oliverphippen1957 It's clearly explained in Glenn's videos. Learn comprehension skills man and quit being lazy.

[@AMWhit92]

Isn't it interesting how something so simple, something we all intuitively know and have known throughout history, can be so controversial. But then again, that is often what truth does. Thank you Dr. Loury.

[@gibbynj3002]

Dr. Loury said everything that I've been thinking, but have difficulty articulating to people. Complex subject. Thank you, sir.

[@patsirianni7984]

I have learned so much by listening to the lectures at Hillsdale .Even at My old age I still learn thank Hillsdale

[@matsuyama40]

THIS will PREACH! Needs to be a TV major daily

[@dparamful]

Thank you for your courage in speaking honestly, Dr. Loury. I hope your voice is heard by anyone who genuinely wants to help solve this problem.

[@azulceleste2646]

Excellent speech regarding a sensitive issue. I find it well worth listening to Prof. Loury's profound thinking and honest observations. Only an open minded and respectful discussion can lead to possible solutions, imho.

[@beverlysloan1512]

Sir, your comments resonate with me. I believe social capital is an important construct for all of us. You commented you coined the term social capital; however, I tracked the use of the term social capital to an article written in 1916 by L.J. Hanifan.

[@beverlysloan1512]

Understand your responses, my comment simply addressed the coining of the phrase. Nothing more. ✌

[@Constantine1776]

That was absolutely An EXCELLENT presentation! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 Definitely thought 💭 provoking, without sounding condescending. Also, Thank You for Your very extremely detailed explanation of your theory and observations on this topic!

[@NeoRazor]

I been saying this since I was like 15. Nobody wanted to listen to me, so I'm glad Dr. Loury is saying it now. Maybe somebody will listen.

[@rcvisee74]

Glenn Loury is a profound and serious thinker would should be given all the space to enlighten us!

[@DrunkPhotography]

Mr Loury is always on point!

[@pezushka]

The difference between he and many, is that he genuinely cares.

[@willpower3317]

Precisely.

[@javiersanabria7513]

Yeah a lot of people talk down to black people not talk to black people and genuinely try to listen to them and help the community out.

[@debmills356]

Wow! Wow! Wow! Thank God for Dr. Glenn Loury! I laud the day that he as a thought leader came into my awareness. We need to listen and learn...and then live and legislate with his wisdom in view.

[@Papa0John]

I’ve come to expect only the best from Prof Loury. But this is by far the best. He confronts head-on the neglected middle-ground. If we could find footing here there is a middle ground on which to meet and join hands. His two narratives (the development narrative and the Bias Narrative) are only mutually exclusive when one camp discounts entirely the other. It is there where adherents in effect say, if you refuse to recognize one swath of explanation and amelioration then I in turn refuse to recognize yours! His thesis that “opportunity travels along the synapse of social networks” has resonance in the past; Tulsa comes to mind as does the period when both human and social capital was being built by the Black community despite the obstacles society constructed after Slavery and up until the Great Society. I would note that both narratives he defines have a symbiotic relationship with his social networking. That relationship would make an excellent Masters Level Thesis.

[@brett5237]

Indeed. But what I think is so spot on about this is that it is not just a simple synthesis of "Each sides have some truth." nor a misguided mix of two bad solutions from either side like "We need moralizing and we need indiscriminate government intervention". Instead, it is the righteous but not self-righteous or preachy call to personal responsibility like a loving father, while allowing in the insight of the intelligent traditionally feminine, "Sure, but we have to care enough to offer apt loving support in this path toward independence."

[@kathleencassel1350]

It’s a bit like people resisting salvation because it is offered to sinners.

[@shempshempleton4746]

Well said! God bless :)

[@alifqadrmuhammad4542]

Though I am not one big on religion, your perspective is well taken.

[@scottkueck2555]

Wow, amazing, we all need to do more. The conclusion is profound.

[@WilliamViets]

I get shivers when I hear from Prof. Loury.

[@gregmoses8708]

Thought provoking and well presented. No apologies necessary Sir!

[@paulelago9453]

This is probably the most nuanced, logical, most well articulated argument I've heard.

[@eliz1866]

Thank you so much for this, I think these are important words for all Americans for understanding. I very much enjoy your videos.

[@dougsherman1562]

Well said Dr. Loury, time for change

[@charleswinn4289]

Very well thought out. Personal and societal responsibility.

[@alvinwilliams8951]

I'm just as impressed with the commentary as with the comments! Black people always instill pride in me even when we're acting ignorant however i think we're all tired of being caught up in ignorant stuff.

[@roundedges2]

Several very Thought provoking points...

[@timlewis2723]

Great speech! Very insightful and very much needed. It’s not enough to wring hands over ‘their’ problem. We must all identify it as ‘our’ problem, not only because the discontentment might result in violence coming to our door step, but because these are Americans, our fellow citizens and God’s creation to be valued and loved!

[@davidpaz9389]

In his 1956 book "The Peculiar Institution: Slavery In the Ante Bellum South" then UC-Berkeley History Professor Emeritus Kenneth M. Stampp lists the five main traits of a slave plantation. Read the list and see how many of them may correlate to current socioeconomic conditions of African Americans in long time Democrat run inner cities. 1. Broken down, unsafe, and dilapidated housing. 2. Broken families. 3. A high degree of violence required to maintain control 4. Everybody gets a basic provision. But nobody gets ahead. 5. Nihilism and despair. This is an ongoing, intergenerational way of life.

[@swcordovaf]

I agree but from 1865-1965, the black family and culture grew excelled and made incredible progress in the face of tremendous racism. Something happened from 1965-1980 that started another trajectory. Sowell has some ideas. And that trajectory is actually a path all cultures are on, some are just in it in a more advanced or accelerated speed. The black family may catch up to the “white family” as many families in the nation are in worse shape than the dire condition written about by Moynihan in the 70’s. Personal moral norms of f responsibility within the family and within greater society are deteriorating drastically.

[@TrevorEMayo]

I knew if I read down the comments far enough I'd find another "trailer parks cause tornados" yodel from someone who thinks getting rid of Democrats will solve world hunger.

[@davidpaz9389]

@@TrevorEMayo Counter my post. It's that easy. Or should be for someone such as yourself who 'knew' you'd find such a post. Minorities don't have to vote Democrat. Or Republican. New groups could be formed. But, again, counter my post.

[@TrevorEMayo]

@@davidpaz9389 Wake up and look past your preferred political platform. The characteristics you list can be found in societies all over the world where there are no Democrats or Socialists or (place your preferred windmill here). In fact increasingly in this country the characteristics are being found where there's no urban environment, no Democrats or blacks. The solution to every problem is not found in the platform of a political party. There is much evidence the root of the family disintegration issues Loury properly faces head-on is found in the increased promiscuity in society brought about with the introduction of the Pill. And if there is to be improvement in those values it won't come from any politician from either party.

[@davidpaz9389]

@@TrevorEMayo The root of the problem is political. Then Senator Lyndon Johnson, architect of the intentionally failed War on Poverty, outlined the Democratic Party's strategy for dealing with African Americans, and eventually all minorities, in the below posted letter he wrote to fellow Democrat Senator Richard Russell, Jr of Georgia. It was in regards to the upcoming vote on the 1957 Civil Rights Act. It is a strategy still very much in use today: "These African Americans(not the original term used), they're getting pretty uppity these days and that's a problem for us since they've got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. *Now we've got to do something about this. We've got to give them a little something. Just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.* For if we don't move at all, then their allies will line up against us and there'll be no way of stopping them. We'll lose the filibuster and there'll be no way of putting a brake on all sorts of wild legislation. It'll be Reconstruction all over again."

[@jonahpedersen5429]

I caught his interview with Dr Peterson and came away impressed with his intellectual honesty. He’s made me a fan.

[@progressivelibertarian2570]

Thank you!

[@deekay2054]

You are literally the first American I know who fights racismn by observing it as a fact but not putting it as the first place problem. I completely agree. As a German I never really understood racismn. Not the one of my two Nazi grandpas. Not the one nowadays against some immigrants. Maybe Germany has been more lucky than the US because there was a huge emancipation movement in 1968 by students setting new standards on how to deal with the german dark history. So many parents decided to accept these standards and only few undermined it secretely in private with the old values. I simply was never taught racismn. So although it was always there it was definitely never my problem nor the problem of any relation I had in my life.

[@ryansamuels8894]

What does that even mean? What major race population exists in Germany??? What does Germany have to do with the United States??? "emancipation" from what the Cold War??? Germany is not similar to the "White Settler State" that the U.S and the xenophobia and anti immigrant tendencies are a totally different issue.

[@deekay2054]

@@ryansamuels8894 maybe you missed some details in history but Nazi-Germany declared a religious group to a race and killed them by millions in an industrial manner. As soon as Germany lost the war officially there were no more Nazis existing. But they were still there. So 1968 there were huge student demonstrations leading to the acceptance tht at least our parents and grandparents have been Nazis and that thinking in concepts like "race" and "we are the greatest" brought us to our deepest hour. So many german families decided to accept new concepts and skip the old ones. That's what I call emancipation. The US never had the opportunity to leave these concepts behind and focus on real problems like the middle class stagnation since the oil crisis.

[@ryansamuels8894]

@@deekay2054 calling Jews a "race" does not make the situation analogous... Germany is not a Settler State... meaning the majority of German families rich or poor are from Germany or the surrounding area Austria/former Prussians etc.. That is not the U.S situation. The German situation is analogous with Japanese in the US. My family who had scholarships to go to Germany did not feel the Enlightment you are talkong about in Hamburg working on that Atom smasher ish.

[@deekay2054]

@@ryansamuels8894 That's what I'm saying ... the US situation is not analogous to the German situation ... the US never was forced to get to the point zero and therefore question all up to this point. Maybe it would have been better if the North would have forced the defeated part to accept not only the end of the war but also the end of the southern concepts. Racism in Germany I'd estimate about 4%, radical right voters are about 10%. So whatever happened to your family is possible but not typical. What is the point behind Settler State? To me this doesn't put the US into a special situation. Almost every nation has something like this (not analoguos but comparable) ... Germans became a nation in midth of the 19th century, the Brits colonised the whole globe and lost it again, the Chinese were humiliated deeply and now strike back ... these things are root causes for the development of a nation but do not make them exceptional or non-exceptional.

[@garlicgirl3149]

Amazing

[@kathleankeesler1639]

Thank you.

[@chuckszkalak1535]

Well done Sir.

[@bertbinion7420]

I think Dr Lowry has something to say that needs to be heard. If he really wants to be heard he needs to knock off the academic jargon, and speak in a way that can easily be understood outside the academy. When I hear this kind of jargon laden stuff I soon tune out. I've listened to many intellectuals that know to communicate with ordinary people. He doesn't need to rub our faces in how smart he is.

[@tommybrown9454]

Countless praises for Glenn...always...but I've never noticed, does he have a tremor? Surely he is not nervous...I've never seen him anxious to be expressing his thoughts

[@thomasyoung5680]

Thank you sir thank you

[@bobralph5072]

I think you summed it up very well,, responsible parenting , regardless !

[@dangerjones6]

Bravo

[@kennethttt5ttt548]

Very educated and nuanced talk. Good one.

[@edsteadham4085]

I'm not just worried about the black family. I'm worried about all families. The breakdown in the family that I've seen in my 60 plus years is troubling and it has hurt all classes and races. But poorer communities have suffered more. Repair our families and half our problems vanish.

[@AstroSquid]

why is this message not main stream?

[@Navoi7]

Awesome presentation. The taka-away for me is Inadequate Black Culture; a point for further research and discussion.

[@loveone8073]

Absolutely

[@jenellbauer4136]

The Bible tells us the same thing that Dr.Loury is telling us. He may have many titles but his best title is Dr of common sense. The fact that he is speaking at Hillsdale college tells us all race has opportunity if they put their mind to it. Having loving mothers and Fathers is key not color.

[@anahitaaalami8871]

Great thinker.

[@TheButterflySoulfire]

How can this become a social movement? A stronger black family benefits not only black Americans but also all Americans. I believe it would translate to better schools and safer communities for us all.

[@LarryEArnold]

Amen.

[@MrWeaverwa]

Very well said, sir.

[@floreamniculinafloreaflore3232]

Mie îmi place foarte mult. Mi-a plăcut foarte mult adevarul. Trebui descifrarea atenția asupra Frazei ) succes

[@Bornearth75]

Glenn Loury making sense and stating it clearly. This must be shared. Who can argue against this?

[@lowrydan111]

The last minute is all you need to hear. Responsible parenting is the foundation of any successful culture

[@jillayneholter9197]

Spot on! I worked as a Public Health Nurse in Mpls for 20 years, visiting mostly poor black and immigrant families with newborn babies. My experience showed me that our progressive welfare system, though well intended, has aided in the disempowerment and destruction of families. The government cannot replace the family.

[@hankgoresich6836]

Could you say more about what you saw about the connection between the two?

[@shawnellemartineaux6212]

Phenomenal speech!

[@ferocious78]

I am not of Asian descent. But we should ALL strive what Asian-American families achieve through lessons, responsibility, and love within the home.

[@ionmccusker2467]

Was struck me the most was that it’s not an us vs them issue but our issue. It’s hard to look past things like race but we really need remember that these are Americans that are suffering not just black Americans.

[@dongloud298]

Glenn, I hear you. What can I do?

[@AMAR-ym7sz]

Black culture has steeply declined towards depravity because American culture as a whole has steeply declined towards depravity. Both are by design.

[@bonsummers2657]

By who's design?

[@AMAR-ym7sz]

@@bonsummers2657 Look around, is it that much of a mystery? No. The same factions that work collectively with MSM, parts of the government, and the Entertainment industry to dress up and market hedonism, debauchery, and every other form of self-destruction to the masses. They are one. Who did Malcolm X say was specifically the black man's biggest enemy? Over 50 years and counting, it's never changed. We are willing pawns and useful idiots. Victims of the psychological warfare that has destroyed our families and righteousness.

[@bonsummers2657]

@@AMAR-ym7sz ah, interesting read on Malcolm X on 'the white liberal'. Thank you.

[@herrschaftg35]

The most intelligent comment that I have seen so far.

[@eljefe8149]

Yeah. I agree.

[@WorkingRitualsOfHumans]

I audit affirmative action programs for a living (opinions are my own) and my wife is a school psychologist. Professor Loury nails it. Put simply, for a variety of reasons, black children face a disproportionate number of risk factors. When we say that we mean “risk of...what?” Unemployment, incarceration, substance abuse, low educational performance, etc. This is a cyclical, intergenerational, problem. These taboos, that intergenerational-risk factors, more than present day discrimination are causal to the ongoing problem of inequality of human potential and thus outcomes, prevent discussion of solutions that can actually make a real difference. I can only hope Professor Loury can bring about a larger national discussion.

[@ryansamuels8894]

Discussion? Just seek justice tirelessly and in all aspects... You will never have "equality" that has become a catch phrase... What the goal should be is ending injustice.... What needs to be done is not hard to discern.

[@WorkingRitualsOfHumans]

@@ryansamuels8894 I think I probably mostly agree with you. It’s hard to discern from your response. I would disagree with the idea that “it’s not hard to discern”, these problems are very very complex and intractable. Fundamentally, we had perpetrators and victims some time ago and it’s too late to attain justice for either (they’ve often passed away or are at least beyond the statute of limitations), bit we are left with the intergenerational consequences of that. So we have this perpetuating inequality (like a ball that is rolling) but we don’t have (as many anyway) folks actively pushing the ball anymore. Justice seems to be a call for folks to stop “pushing the ball”, but justice is really when the ball stops rolling. On major problem, discussed elsewhere is that time doesn’t move two unequal groups toward equality (like a ball that just slows on its own), it’s not even flat inertia (gap remains the same), but rather the benefiting group ends up with virtuous-cycles and the disadvantaged group with viscous-cycles. Time, absent intervention, makes inequality worse (we observe this in the natural world for example with trees, birds and all forms of life). It’s an extraordinarily difficult problem. If it were easy, it would have been solved. It’s not lack of desire, but lack of workable solutions, that leave us in our present day predicament.

[@ryansamuels8894]

@@WorkingRitualsOfHumans Really, You are actually of the opinion that the United States and State legislatures of individual States have been seeking justice for all? Starting when? From the history children are taught in schools that forms the bases of their perceptions. From the media companies to goverment policies... and how they are enacted how can you say that? Redlining in and of itself shows that is not the case... And Redlining is just the tip of the iceberg... We know. I am not saying that there is a quick fix... No there is not a quick fix becuz like you said this is intergenerational.... and people are scared mammals. I think the song is 'That's just the way it is" or what but is says... "You can't go where the other's go you don't look like they do. I said "Hey old man did you really THINK about it before you made up the rules?".... and he said "That's just the way it is." Humans imitate more than they learn or listen. Even if curriculums changed today the fighting over the truth being told would cause an entirely new issue.... But please do not say it is becuz it is complicated... It is not... What is complicated is the ways in which White Supremacy and Patriarchy insinuate themselves and morph to survive.

[@WorkingRitualsOfHumans]

I am of the opinion that history moves in that direction, yes. The data pans that out overwhelmingly. (Many good books on this, I recommend Steven Pinkers: Better Angels... or Matt Ridley’s The Rational Optimist). There are obviously still racists and bigots of all sort today, but far fewer than even two decades ago. The whole reason we have (appropriately in my opinion) defined down terms like “racism” and “white supremacy” (John McHorter has tons of great stuff on this) is because the old definitions just longer suffice given our progress and our modern definitions would have been absurd 50 yeas ago. (By example, general social survey data shows that the average male holds more ‘feminist’ views today than the average female did in the mid 1970’s- to be clear, this is a very good thing and there is still progress to be made). And yes, obviously we are moving in that direction, we today have a President who is an obvious tribalist and who inflamed actual white-Supremicist, yet even he sells rainbow flag t-shirts on his website and hosts Black Republican and Latino Republican events. In the modern era, this is insufficient to expulcate assertions that the President is a bigot, (at least in my opinion) but even 50 years ago would have been absolutely disqualifying for the majority white electorate. This slow (too slow) March toward progress is a good thing. There is plenty more progress to be made (in many localized instances, demographic data shows us actually moving in the wrong direction). It appears to me you may suffer from the dunning-Kruger effect. I also thought it was simple before spending a decade in a career where ideas get tested on real time in the real world. If it were easy, during the small time Obama held the White house and Dems controlled both houses, it would have been fixed, or When L. Johnson passed affirmative action laws, or at least in the cities run by Black Mayors, or just somewhere. Somewhere we could point to and say “do that thing they did to fix it where it is actually fixed.” Were this the case, that it’s simply a matter of will, that would be evidence somewhere that will alone will fix the problem. Some city or country or region would have done it. Yet the problem persists to lesser and greater degrees in both liberal and conservative parts of the country and world at large. This problems are excruciatingly difficult and complicated, so much so that a brilliant Professor (Glenn Loury) can only scratch the surface of nudging us in the right direction (and that’s quite the compliment because most who try can’t even come close to doing that!) For the sake of all of us, but especially underrepresented populations, I hope the world pays more attention to Professor Loury (and Professor McHorter)! (I think we generally agree though. Our history books are filled with one-sided narratives that create flawed thinking on the left and right. And your sense of mirroring behavior is apt).

[@ryansamuels8894]

@@WorkingRitualsOfHumansHistory??? I asked a totally different question. Your attempt at whataboutism not with standing, there has never been a collective will to end injustice... Too many people a) believe they benefit b) are not aware of the injustices that occur or choose to shield there eyes willingly or c) actually do benefit and prefer it to be this way.. All your talk of complexity and focusing on things that are immaterial is foolhardy... A president or a mayor are not a populous' will... They can effect, animate or educate that 'will'but they are not it... So thinking like that is ridiculous. It will take a much more grass roots awakening. It will not come from command on high... Just like Donald Trump did not create the White Supremacy flames he fans, no 'Black' or 'White' politician is gonna be the beacon alone... That idea is hilarious though.

[@briancowan528]

Brilliant!! Laws represent our failures as human beings. All the laws in the world against discrimination or anything else will never bring about solutions to problems. Only when we see each other differently and from a perspective of societal responsibility and inclusion will things change.

[@BrianDonato]

Love the video - doing a racism series on my channel and digging into some things you brought up in my next video. Parenting is #1

[@robbliss9149]

Apologies for misspelling Loury

[@niehill1440]

“Stronger” … wow. Couldn’t be more honest. How exactly should we plan to strengthen families through responsive parenting? What exactly does that look like ?

[@40beretta1]

Decline of the family.... Gov't Welfare became the father, the bread winner... Gov't became the bank for the poor metro resident, He is 100% correct....we as a whole bear responsibility for the form and texture of our society..

[@philippedesaulniers]

Absolutely nailed it, as always

[@bethsweetwater4018]

Maybe you should read Toure Reed Toward Freedom and true historical context loss of labor and automation that created a never filled chasm

[@franmeyers9087]

On an individual level, it would be wise to hear the individual stories of the many Black men and women who were raised in poor conditions, in violent, drug-ridden neighborhoods, homes without fathers, yet who were able to raise themselves up, get fine educations, and pursue careers. I think of the story of Thomas Sowell, raised in an impoverished home, who in his biography describes the influence of one person who believed in him, showed him how to use the local library, etc. Who knows how his life would have developed without this one person who took a great interest in him and saw his potential. I'm sure there are innumerable such stories. In fact, a good idea of a book of collected such stories.

[@alifqadrmuhammad4542]

The problem that has been an unfortunate part of life is poverty that would be remedied by opportunity. Having been raised on a farm, though my marketable skills has been improved still in New York the invasion continues unabated thanks to the impairment and agendas of Leftness politicians whose solution is: welfare dependency for Black men and gainful employment for illegals. Thus is what is experienced by moi, STILL in all my agreement with Dr. Loury on behavioral dynamics is solidly with his premises.

[@Lmr6973]

Yes but what you're talking about is just to hard and it's always easier to transfer my responsibilities on someone else. I "feel" better about myself when I do it my way.

[@jonettechristian906]

Black labor markets have been swamped over the past 3 decades by millions of immigrants, legal and illegal. And we have outsourced millions of jobs--- how can we expect young Black men to marry the mothers of their children, when we have decimated the jobs to support those families? Immigration is the giant pink elephant in our living room---- we need to discuss the NUMBERS and how those numbers impact jobs and wages. How much longer do we tip toe around this one?

[@reddirtwalker8041]

Quick comment to Professor Loury's "those people" comment at 23:49. I completely agree that the idea that "those people" need to do something can be bad on it's face as help is needed by most when down.......however, it really is up to them to do something though and only they can. Let me explain. People like Professor Loury, with his beliefs of any color, are not allowed into the Government of cities, where the worst of the suffering persists. They are forced to metaphorically stand outside the fence and look in as the people that are routinely elected to run the city continue to do nothing or enable the situation to continue. This is by the people's design and intention in city government and the communities that elect them. If a person like Professor Loury were to attempt to speak in such an area he would likely be called many names and booed for his beliefs. That is why people like "those people" can only comment from the outside that "those people" need to do something about it. There needs to an ideal shift for assistance suggested by Professor Loury to work.

[@MrLynch157]

Well put. A bit esoteric but clear none the less. Racism is only one part of the 'knee' on the necks of black families; the other is a culture of victimhood and revolt against 'acting white'. In short, building social capital, meaning acquiring job skills and connecting persons to form a network in the community, is the way out. The only part missing is advice on where and how to start this proposed cultural shift. Maybe that's another Lecture. Well done overall.

[@veroguyly]

The state of the European American family is in decline, also. Fact is: family is the basic building block of society. That means a mommy and a daddy and kids, their kids. Ideally a bread-winner daddy and a home-maker mommy. Ideally that means sexual fidelity. Ideally that means no divorce. You get the idea, 1950's America family values for both African and European American families.

[@bonsummers2657]

But, the 1950's needed more balance for the future, due to human nature.

[@canteluna]

Loury is brilliant here (and I enjoy his podcast at bloggingheads). There are two points here. The first is that "race" is a social construct and so any idea that concept of natural inequality is out of the question in terms of general human capability. Hopefully, the first point is clear by now (after long history of believing otherwise). The second point is the more controversial and complex and it is that the fact of racism in society (point one) has resulted in social barriers for non-whites in regard to opportunities that exist for them (the whites) at a systemic or institutional level. The most ominous and harmful example, born out of "white guilt" over racism, is that any failure of blacks (or non whites) to integrate themselves into civil society MUST be due to racism (the legacy of racism and its lag for blacks to "catch up" or that racism still exists to the extent of preventing them from integrating into the society that they were (for the most part) born into and share equally with everyone else. It is this second point that inspires the variety of social criticism from the likes of Ta Ni Hisi Coates (who believes that racism is pervasive to the point of preventing black integration) to Glenn Loury (who believes the social barrier is largely an imaginary one - at least more recently). The fact is that institutional racism has been outlawed (for at least 50 years) and while residual racism can be said to have existed since then as a legacy of racism, cultural racism (as opposed to institutional racism) cannot really be considered to be an excuse for blacks failing to integrate. Rather, the cultural racism most responsible for this failure comes mostly from those who believe that cultural racism is a deterrent to integration. The problem with this line of thinking as Loury and others (e.g. Thomas Sowell) have argued is that it lacks causal evidence and manages to be persuasive to those who want to hear it on the flimsiest of evidence, all correlative. When you're making a logical argument or asserting that something is the case, you need to be aware of the concept of falsification. If you're saying, for example, that racism prevents blacks from taking advantage of opportunities and integrating into the society, people like Sowell and Loury (and tens of thousands of others in the US) falsify that claim because they have successfully integrated into the society by taking advantage of the institutions available to them (and most importantly, THEY consider themselves successful even if others might not) despite any existing racism. The sad reality is that the very progressives that profess to seek racial equality often get in their own way of that goal - not through bad policy necessarily but through a poisonous narrative. To tell someone that racism is a deterrent to your success - as progressives tend to do - you are actually creating a self fulfilling prophecy and giving someone an excuse to fail and blame the system. The fact is, the odds are against EVERYONE not born with a silver spoon succeeding economically in this society - ironically in the same time frame where racism is far less pervasive, upward mobility has gone down for whites. So being a professional is both easier than it was 75 years ago but may be harder than it was 30 years ago. But the fact remains that ANYONE in this country who wants to be economically secure can probably achieve that goal by getting an education and being trained to do something that is preferable to most menial labor jobs but also pays a lot more. So why doesn't everyone do it? Why don't most white men do it? Because it is not easy and often depends on certain conditions that are beyond the individual's control - namely having family support and encouragement to help you succeed. Family background is probably the most important variable of all that predicts success in life (and I define success simply by the individual doing what he/she wants for work and is relatively happy and secure). The fact is that most people stay in the same socio-economic category they were born in. To rise up you need support and vision and a healthy attitude that you can achieve your goal. The racism myth is poison because it is cynical and prevents people from achieving goals that are actually -despite what some say - possible. But you have to work for them. You have to see yourself integrated (vision) with those other than your peer or ethnic group. If you make excuses such as, I don't want to integrate into the "white culture" then you giving yourself an excuse to fail. There really is no such thing as the white culture - despite what white supremacists would say. This culture doesn't belong to any "race" but rather to those who seize the opportunity to take part in it and help shape it (look at the contributions of blacks to American culture - astounding! invaluable! So don't let anyone tell you this is a "white culture"). But success is not easy. It takes putting your nose to the grindstone, and takes relationships.

[@jngarr]

Well said! Unfortunately our US politicians will likely ignore your analyses and will continue to allocate resources to social groups based on what is currently "popular" and will buy them votes, instead of addressing root causes as you have outlined. (I wish you could testify before Congress -- then again, I'm not convinced more than 20% of them would have the brain power to think deeply enough to understand what you stated.) BTW, how can we get a copy of your presentation to be able to study it more?

[@sterlingferguson1704]

The black family changed because of the great migration of the blacks out of the rural south to the north and west. Also, both husband and wife had to go to work to support their families. Many blacks have done well and were able to send money back home to support their families. Go to a black family reunion and one will see what goes on in the black family. Read Isabel Wi;kerson's The Warmest of Another Sun.

[@tombland2681]

How is it that I know who Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are but have never heard of Glen Loury till today.

[@GTJ65]

Empty vessels make most noise.

[@cornydad]

What helps and hurts blacks does the same thing to other races. I'm from Oregon where the highest poverty counties are very high percentage caucasian. Whites in the rural areas make less than blacks in the state.

[@SeattlePioneer]

I suggest that "affirmative action," in it's various guises, is primarily a benefit to the African American middle class, not the African American poor and disadvantaged. It is the African American middle class primarily, who are well positioned to take advantage of opportunities created by affirmative action. Thus they will be the first to reap the benefits of preferences in education, jobs and promotions, because they are likely to be the cream of the crop when such opportunities are passed out. The talented and motivated African American poor and disadvantaged who manage to overcome the real disadvantages of poor family structure, poor schools, bad neighborhoods and such will also, it is hoped, be able to take advantage of some of these opportunities ---handed out because they are African American and at the expense of Asians, whites and others. But it is the African American middle class that will be the most privileged. And because of this, the African American middle class has an interest in PRESERVING the African American poor and disadvantaged, since they benefit directly from privileges handed out on the basis of race, not class.

[@FollowMeStopPlayin]

I had to scroll 2yrs back jus to find a black face on this channel