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Glenn Gould - Pt. 2: Inventor vs. Curator (On How Mozart Became A Bad Composer)

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Glenn Gould

Glenn Gould

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@anthonydecarvalho652
@anthonydecarvalho652 7 ай бұрын
Weather one agrees with him or not, it's a sheer delight to him such an intelligent man speak. His speaking or his playing was remarkable, extraordinary and wonderful. We miss him.
@ProdigyImprovisation
@ProdigyImprovisation 5 ай бұрын
Mozart didn’t become a bad composer, in fact he became a deeper composer. In fact it’s a good thing his later works are no longer experimental anymore. This rather gives us the clue (obvious enough) that he has in fact improved from the immature stages of composition & progressed further towards the mature & serious side of his character. He is still the same person inside, but now he’s on a different game role. It may be less easy for the listener compared to his earlier works. I think this is where Gould draws the line. Because there is something very special about a late Mozart that Gould does not fully appreciate the potential. In my opinion, Mozart is far greater in his later years than the earlier. Because I fully appreciate his music from the broader perspective of everything he has to overcome throughout his lifetime. And what makes his later works even greater than his earlier ones is the quality of sustaining his message to the world. The music sounds more profound, more indefinite, & more clear than before simply because it is now deeper, his earlier works lacked this. Sure it was exquisitely lively, but without the weight of depth. And to me depth is everything. It is way more profound & way more intriguing. In other words, it is like aged wine. There is a lot more meaning to it since it is now more serious & less childlike.
@Albeit_Jordan
@Albeit_Jordan 15 күн бұрын
The kind of articulate speech that has you believing you're smarter just for listening to it.
@williamsackelariou1860
@williamsackelariou1860 3 ай бұрын
Thx for posting ,l think this is a Brilliant Lecture & Contribution by GG ,very thoughtful , insightful & informative . PS also luv the paris sonatas ,real gems & all completely different from each other with KV 333 1st 2 mvmnts outstandingly the best😊
@user-sz7bv9nd8d
@user-sz7bv9nd8d 10 ай бұрын
in fact, these are very harmless statements with more humor than malice, but people still hate GG for it. friends, just relax, this genius wanted to entertain you, not offend. yes, he really doesn’t like Mozart, but that’s just his opinion, which he presented in the form of excellent post-irony. There is far more hatred and disrespect in some people's reactions to Gould's words than in this video.
@baldrbraa
@baldrbraa 10 ай бұрын
«A 5 year old after a few weeks of theory lessons»… like a composer we all know🤭
@harryk4840
@harryk4840 10 ай бұрын
❤️
@alfonsoperal5386
@alfonsoperal5386 10 ай бұрын
GG has a very fine sense of humor , that it's difficult to understand for today people. Of course he is joking, he loves Mozart and Mozart music, too his late works. BUT, at the same time he is giving real reasons, not saying something without any reasoning about Mozart music. And the comparation with Beethoven is there for a reason. Mozart was a genius but he didn't developed all this gifts and his late works, though very good, could be seeing as dissapointing in comparation with Beethoven. If Mozart wouldn't die so young both composers would have lived at the same time, and Mozart's music seems childish in comparation with Beethoven music.
@TheHKEO
@TheHKEO 3 ай бұрын
Finally a comment I 100% agree with
@ExAnimoPortugal
@ExAnimoPortugal 8 ай бұрын
Is it just me that gets the feeling that GG is trying really hard to keep a straight face on this?
@luigicesaro2910
@luigicesaro2910 10 ай бұрын
❤❤❤🎉
@frankling7309
@frankling7309 2 ай бұрын
What piece does he play 0:23
@CD318
@CD318 10 ай бұрын
Where is part 3?
@seanmchugh840
@seanmchugh840 13 күн бұрын
I know exactly what Gould is about here. Just hearing him play the 24th concerto, it's Bachified and contrapuntalized, missing the fabulous lyricism that Gould never really got during his life- he dislikes Chopin for the same reasons. The stature and durability of Bach's keyboard achievement out of its counterpoint isn’t in doubt but Gould is assuredly missing something- melody is definitely essential to music, indeed many composers regarding it as primary. He's saying that Mozart's movement towards melodic line in 24, 26 and 27 (not the stoic 25 which he doesn’t mention) despite these being obvious masterpieces for the more rounded listener, was a lesser achievement than the preceding concertos as more objective, dispassionate and Haydnesque. In fact you can hear Gould’s own excessively contrapuntal thinking and argumentation- in reality no one really speaks like that and instead has a background intuitive conviction that they're making, as equivalent to melody. He further says that improvization in the composition process is bad again because it's conceived in the moment and less slowly calculated out, and hence that Mozart's charm and courtesy masks the humanity in his work- again very confused. All classical period music involves a degree of structural padding but Gould saying that late Mozart is about immediate appeal and surfaces in contrast to Beethoven and romantic divergence and contrast is very benighted, saying much more about him than Mozart. He's probably been reading Adorno.
@JuanRamónSilva-Piano
@JuanRamónSilva-Piano 10 ай бұрын
I actually have a similar view but on Beethoven’s side. For me Beethoven climaxed with the Appasionata sonata, and while Gould gives a perfect example on the use of the musical device in the 5th symphony to create suspense, I feel in later works Beethoven over used this same device to the point it becomes comical, and it does indeed sound improvisatory, I can think quite a few of the later sonatas that suffer from this. I’m not saying any of Beethoven sonatas after Appasionata aren’t good but they never quite reach the same heights of ecstasy and climax, not even Hammerklavier which is supposed to be Beethoven’s masterpiece, but I’d argue that sonata is quite a mess. Anyone is free to argue with me if they disagree. Now, on Mozart’s side, I agree with Glenn, there is something quite magical about his earlier sonatas. Though I still think his later sonatas are charming pieces, they aren’t that impactful.
@villain7140
@villain7140 10 ай бұрын
In which work did Beethoven use again anything like that in the example of the Fifth? Beethoven's sonatas indeed had a clear shift following the climax of the early style that was the Appassionata, you can hear sonatas no. 24 and onwards sound nothing like the earlier Appassionata, Waldstein, Tempest sonatas etc. That doesn't mean they fell off in quality, they just went in a new direction. You can't make the same criticism that might be justifiable in Mozart in Beethoven; you're not meant to be looking for anything of the Appassionata (at least not of the 3rd movement) in the last op. 111 sonata for example, which is one of the most spiritually transcendental pieces of music ever written Though I agree that the Appassionata is a monumental work not quite like anything which came after from Beethoven or anyone else.
@edgarreitz7067
@edgarreitz7067 10 ай бұрын
Now i have that strange drive listening to mozart again! ❤ Glenn Goulds elaborated view - i disagree with his whole argument, but agree that Early Mozart feels more fresh and experimental than later works. What he tries in later works, the romantic approach, instead of listening you can just go straight to beethoven
@andreluquini
@andreluquini 4 ай бұрын
Did Gould compose?
@iloveballadeno1
@iloveballadeno1 Ай бұрын
He did indeed
@CD318
@CD318 10 ай бұрын
GLENN GOULD ROCKS!!!
@JoachimLeoKapplusch
@JoachimLeoKapplusch 15 күн бұрын
What means childish ?
@DABELINE
@DABELINE 10 ай бұрын
LOUISIANE Dommage pas de traduction en français....☹
@rustyroche1921
@rustyroche1921 10 ай бұрын
this isn't about mozart. he is criticizing pop culture (and implicitly jazz) and the enjoyment derived from it
@RicoMusap-te3om
@RicoMusap-te3om 7 ай бұрын
Maybe mozart wasnt the same after his daddy dued😢
@obyvatel
@obyvatel 10 ай бұрын
Gould was a genius......talker
@paulschipper9428
@paulschipper9428 10 ай бұрын
I respect GG as a pianist, but what he says about Mozart as a composer is just plain nonsense.
@eggman7527
@eggman7527 9 ай бұрын
He talks like Rod Serling.
@RicoMusap-te3om
@RicoMusap-te3om 7 ай бұрын
Maybe Mozart wasn't the same after his daddy died
@Patrick_Bentolila
@Patrick_Bentolila 10 ай бұрын
It's important to note that Mozart's criticism is a perfect way to balance her mood. 😅
@Henri.d.Olivoir
@Henri.d.Olivoir 10 ай бұрын
Whose mood?
@annefrancoisepolonini6982
@annefrancoisepolonini6982 10 ай бұрын
Je pensais que c'était une rediffusion ou quelque chose comme ça Glenn Gould était un asperger il jouait d'une façon magnifique il fera demain parfois presque en même temps ce qu'il était en train d'interpréter avec une vitesse complètement sidérante moi je l'ai quand même souvent entendu jouer du Jean-Sébastien Bach j'ignore complètement s'il avait une préférence pour Amadeus Mozart
@Patrick_Bentolila
@Patrick_Bentolila 10 ай бұрын
@@annefrancoisepolonini6982 IL a parfaitement portrayed what Mozart etait 🤭
@villain7140
@villain7140 10 ай бұрын
I have the greatest respect for Gould but to claim Mozart was not an "inventor" and only a "curator" in his late works is completely ridiculous. No other composer could make given the same "cliche" materials out of them anything near the genius of what Mozart accomplished, and obviously not all of his materials are cliche
@ZootBurger
@ZootBurger 5 ай бұрын
Knobber 😂
@marciohenrique1872
@marciohenrique1872 7 ай бұрын
One of the greatest fraudsters of all time.
@mozartdesklamp
@mozartdesklamp 10 ай бұрын
Not to impugn Gould's *technical* argument, but I think I can sum it up succinctly... "Mozart was a flawed composer for the same reason Edison was a flawed inventor; he merely invented the incandescent light bulb but stopped short of inventing the OLED... shameful, really."
@alfonsoperal5386
@alfonsoperal5386 10 ай бұрын
edison didn't invent that though he "got" the patent. In fact he had a great number of engineers working for him that did the real work.
@muribmor
@muribmor 10 ай бұрын
I do not insult dead people, even an idiot one.
@MrInterestingthings
@MrInterestingthings 10 ай бұрын
GG is rightly seen as a phenomenon of the media. He played very few composers well! He was gr a tuition and selfserving with Bach style and he has no affinityw the English virginal school,hisMozart is weak,his Chopin a thought crime andthoughtless. I don't think anyone not even a street monkey has ever played minor sonata so thoughtlessly so unattractive so completely wrongheaded,hisStrauss just cuts it but the Burleske is humorless,h I sScriabin misinformed. His 2ndVienna school I don't know enough about to pass judgements on but I th a nk him for his advocacy.Others compel me to li s ten toSvhonberg concerto. Goulds way doesnot!
@JohnBorstlap
@JohnBorstlap 10 ай бұрын
What a nonsense. GG's attempt to be a musicologist.
@jasonjansen9831
@jasonjansen9831 4 ай бұрын
The entire field of musicology is nonsense.
@bartwatts1921
@bartwatts1921 10 ай бұрын
No, Mozart did not become a bad composer, Gould just became more and more pretentious and I truly cannot stand the man. His music is full, dry and lifeless, and it’s never Bach or Mozart, it’s Gould plated like Bach or Mozart.
@Johnwilkinsonofficial
@Johnwilkinsonofficial 10 ай бұрын
nice cliff notes of seymours opinion youve got there.
@johnmulligan455
@johnmulligan455 10 ай бұрын
Then why are you here?
@micoveliki8729
@micoveliki8729 10 ай бұрын
​@@johnmulligan455same as me to remind ourself how NOT to think about music.
@micoveliki8729
@micoveliki8729 10 ай бұрын
​@@Johnwilkinsonofficialdo you think that Seymor was the one that started the hate on Gould? Do you think that musicians worldwide with at least 1% common sense did not realise that before him? I mean I don't know why Im asking you aperantly the Gould fanbase is a cult we must not there say anythi g about their pretentious god
@johnmulligan455
@johnmulligan455 10 ай бұрын
@micoveliki8729 well perhaps watch something that will invigorate your soul
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