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@sourpatxh2536 жыл бұрын
Global Cycling Network hi GCN could you guys please reply my email. Thanks
@JMise6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, this is the perfect video for noobs. "See, this is going to happen if you refuse to shift to the small ring at walking pace." :)
@Sgt62176 жыл бұрын
What if you slam the drop bar bike?
@arifazhari75986 жыл бұрын
since GMBN and GCN have new presenters, could you make GCN VS GMBN game of bike or presenter challenge ? maybe you could add like random bike choice for the challenge. Cheers and keep up the good content. #torqueback
@sapinva6 жыл бұрын
Have to call bs on this one. Top bar length way too short for the riders. With the right sized frame any bike is fast with your elbows beside the stem. One thing is correct, road drops are basically useless for everything. Only reason they still exist is uci rules. Pursuit, bullhorns, chopped or wide flat bars, track drops are all superior in most ways to road drops.
@barriewilliams45265 жыл бұрын
At 82 I now ride mainly flat bars (kinder on my arthritic neck lol) but I still ride my drop bar bike when I'm feeling good :) So the answer might be, have more than one bike.....
@DJLongLastin5 жыл бұрын
N+1 is always the solution
@pigletofgreed77475 жыл бұрын
A recumbent would be even more comfortable, but they are excessively " uncool" and too different from the herd
@AndyWJP5 жыл бұрын
Yep, I have both types. One flat bar with front suspension for riding around town and the dropped bar for speedy exercise out in the countryside.
@robertjsmith4 жыл бұрын
i agree city bike flat bars with mudguards for wet,drop bars when dry,and when you get older flat bars for better posture.
@michaelmccarthy37044 жыл бұрын
So when you go from flat to drop do you notice extra discomfort on your back/neck?
@1989srjones6 жыл бұрын
Can't believe you didn't call it the Eggility Test.
@gcn6 жыл бұрын
We're sorry Stephen, hope it didn't ruin the video for you
@1989srjones6 жыл бұрын
Slightly but I still battled through to the end :)
@clarencetaylor74556 жыл бұрын
Different Yokes for different folks
@GordonMoat6 жыл бұрын
Completed without anyone getting egg on their face. It was egg-citing!
@EXROXX6 жыл бұрын
Or maybe the eggsperiment
@barrybarnard8365 жыл бұрын
I got my first bike in 1959, with drop bars, I am now 70 and still have drop bars, once a roady always a roady :)
@buckroger64565 жыл бұрын
Love it. That's what I've told people about being a mountain biker.
@soissesglaubsmir2925 жыл бұрын
You better should write: "once sporting, always sporting!" ("I´m not an ordinary mainstream guy!") ;)
@mahogma665 жыл бұрын
I got my first bike in 1964, with drop bars. Since then I've had road bikes, mountain bikes, recumbents and most recently an all carbon e-bike with flat bars. I'm 71 and not set in my ways.
@maxmustermann31625 жыл бұрын
I got my first bike in 1997, when I was 3. Now I'm 25 and still a flat bar cyclist!
@Alvaro-em1dj5 жыл бұрын
Got my first bike in 2005,i was 3! Always rode mountainbikes (hardtails) But i switched to bmx!
@AHR_James4 жыл бұрын
Key difference for me is the added awareness when riding in town that you get with the flat bar - more upright - position
@whatskrakalaken19402 жыл бұрын
Great point.
@leikeze66422 жыл бұрын
RIGHT, one of the reason why I like hybrid or commuting bike, they come up with straight handlebar, it can also be relaxed with upright position. Well ye im not into racing, im good with 30kph not that much wind resistance. Update: I love my road bike now with a drop bar, and I main it now 🤣 what I learned on my road bike is you have at least 3 different positions on long ride, no back pain and groin pain 🤣 sorry, but i just love long rides, drop bars are more efficient 🤘
@nate4912 Жыл бұрын
@@leikeze6642 Dutch bikes are also good with these.
@Narcostic Жыл бұрын
@@leikeze6642 Which one would you recommend to someone doing 2 hour peformance rides(high cadance with tempo) in the city's main roads everyday?
@leikeze6642 Жыл бұрын
@@Narcostic @Narcostic you said performance ride? So you're doing Exercises? If you have a route where there is a climb like 15% gradient then Go for Hybrid bike with large cassette (High cadence u said?) If your route is only flats not more than 8% gradient then road bike is efficient with a 11-25 or 11-28t cassette Regardless of current flow of traffic, both bikes i mentioned is good, 2hrs ride isnt that long unless you're doing a high intensity training (non stop pedalling) If i we're you, if you're not into racing pick the hybrid bike, If u love long rides Im gonna tell u any bike that has drop bar is more efficient
@benl61214 жыл бұрын
Hours of watching British cycling videos has taught me many things, not the least of which is that I need to go cycling in Britain.
@James-xr7pb4 жыл бұрын
Get cameras, road thugs are rampant... even in the countryside.
@alberttsang40194 жыл бұрын
@@James-xr7pb road thugs? Scary
@James-xr7pb4 жыл бұрын
@@alberttsang4019 Bad Drivers.
@dukekaboom41053 жыл бұрын
If you hire a bike in the UK remember the brakes are in the opposite position.
@benl61213 жыл бұрын
@@dukekaboom4105 This is seriously good advice. Thanks!
@manfromnantucket95445 жыл бұрын
Imagine going to your local dog park and seeing two grown men in full racing kit trying to ride their road bikes through the grass and over a log for seemingly no reason Wild
@arpansolomon75725 жыл бұрын
They are recording for the video, so they have a reason.
@fauzanbri5 жыл бұрын
@@arpansolomon7572 a joke?
@Hazeder4225 жыл бұрын
@@arpansolomon7572 to a random onlooker though they might not realise this
@poneill654 жыл бұрын
I think most of the villagers in their exclusive little shire idyll will know that it's just a couple of public school hooray's gallivanting about trying any old wank to "create" a KZbin channel for their resume. I guess there aren't currently any intern spots at the BBC rich-kid after-school program.
@DocBlasto4 жыл бұрын
Is there not a cameraman there as well?
@pickle245 жыл бұрын
I prefer flat bar because: -I go to school with my bike and carrying a backpack is easier -I don't care much for aerodinamics -I feel safer and the hand is always ready to brake
@glove88885 жыл бұрын
What kind of bike do you have? Just curious , I'm looking to find a simple basic bike to get to and from places.
@nonamenoname75495 жыл бұрын
Yeah me too its easier that that drop
@damien26275 жыл бұрын
@@glove8888 not him but I got a c a Cannondale adventure 3
@Delfintus5 жыл бұрын
@@glove8888using bike to go at work, as to much sitting in the office, for themselves i found best is flat bar with alfine ( nexus) gears 8 or 11, its really Lincoln in today bikes. Used before drop bar + usual shimano 24 gears, but it required maitenance every year. with Alfine you jsut buy and use it for ages.
@josephsissler11035 жыл бұрын
Old and with neck issues so went with flat bar...you can upgrade the grips with bar ends
@kenshoalexander34914 жыл бұрын
Drop Bar: I am speed Flat Bar: I am agility
@riverwater29223 жыл бұрын
i have no idea what is the difference
@tesario60393 жыл бұрын
@@riverwater2922 A wider handlebar gives you more control. While a drop bar gives you a more streamlined seat, which gives you speed
@erenlim19293 жыл бұрын
@@riverwater2922 speed is to be able to move fast in one direction and agility is the ability to go through certain obstacles with speed
3 жыл бұрын
Drop Bar: I'll make your back really sore
@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess3 жыл бұрын
Cruiser handlebars: 😎🍹☀️
@Max-it1wm2 жыл бұрын
I’m mostly a commuter and a mountain biker, not a cyclist but I prefer the flat bar. I find it more friendly to my posture and It feels more comfortable for a casual ride
@theshadowking319811 ай бұрын
Flat bars are a standard for mountain bikes you will now see drop bars on a mountain bike
@imjonathan67459 ай бұрын
@@theshadowking3198 theyre called gravel bikes if iirc?
@Alex-kr7zr7 ай бұрын
@@imjonathan6745 Gravel bike == road bike with fat tyres and bigger gear range. Cross bike == hard tail MTB with thin tyres.
@vladimirputin34264 жыл бұрын
1:04 that face though, he looks like a murderer cycling after a victim
I exercise on a slammed road bike, but commute on a flat bar single speed. The main advantage I found with the flat bar is that I can see ahead better, due to sitting more upright.
@gcn6 жыл бұрын
Nice choice Gordon
@antred115 жыл бұрын
@dolofonos It seems pretty obvious that you would have to bend your neck more to look ahead if you're leaning forward more.
@edgarcook96074 жыл бұрын
Slammed like a pickup truck? How does that work exactly?
@GordonMoat4 жыл бұрын
@@edgarcook9607 Southern California expression. Means that basically the seat height is noticeably above the bar height.
@kaycepeda47114 жыл бұрын
dolofonos “I have both, and have noticed that this is what works best for me” YEAH WELL LET ME TELL YOU WHY YOU’RE WRONG KZbin comment sections are the worst.
@beetoven81935 жыл бұрын
You guys are young and fit, so I'll forgive your neglecting to mention that older cyclists naturally suffer more discomfort on the drop-bars. Backs and necks!
@waltblackadar46905 жыл бұрын
True dat. I can't ride drop bars any more due to back issues but I an comfortably ride flats. Drop bars were great in my teens and 20s. Flat bars are great for those of us who can join AARP.
@brucewmclaughlin90725 жыл бұрын
That is one reason I changed the entire bike vs looking at another diamond frame that may or may not be anymore comfortable .
@brucewmclaughlin90725 жыл бұрын
@Robert Trageser When i rode my diamond frame bikes with the drop bars ,I too would change my hand position about every 15 minutes to counteract the road shock, however now that I ride a recumbent bike I have 2 positions on the bars and either one is comfortable without gloves and without changing position for literally hours on end. It is a touring recumbent and not something so low that all you can see is the printing on the sidewalls of whatever car you are next to. I get to look into the beady deranged eyes of car owners who think cyclists should not exist. Lots of people get to the point of having too many pains and give up cycling to pursue something less painful , whereas there are alternatives out there that the mainline bike shops will not tell you about as they want to sell a bike fit and a new bike to you.
@brucewmclaughlin90725 жыл бұрын
@Robert Trageser If you ever do try a recumbent , buy used first as it won't be your last bike and you will save money on the learning curves of what is available in long, medium,or short wheel base models. Seats can be carbon, RFP, or like mine a full mesh . Lots more variety in recumbents for frame configuration for passive suspension to fully suspended models and each has it's own set of values . It makes a substantial difference not having to hold your head up to see where you are going and to not have any pains at the end of a long ride. Unfortunately you just can't get past having tired leg muscles, riding anything.
@Eierkneifer695 жыл бұрын
@@waltblackadar4690 You, sir, must have the coolest profile picture ever. I actually wiped over my screen thinking there's a hair or something on it. :D Thanks for this slight amusement.
@slimelord3146 жыл бұрын
Super fun video! As an xc racer I will add that flat bars have 2 extra positions if you get creative. The easy one is grabbing the bars as narrow as you can (close to the stem) which allows you to tuck a little bit and put your elbows at 90. The more adventurous one is to do the "phantom aero bars" by placing you elbows on the bars. I do these when there are long stretches of road in an xc race (:
@gcn6 жыл бұрын
one for advanced riders!
@slimelord3146 жыл бұрын
Global Cycling Network aw shucks 😊
@TheShotenZenjin6 жыл бұрын
Matheus Barbosa Hands close to the stem on a flat bar (or even on the tops with drops) leaves many riders too far from their brakes (unless they’re in a situation in which there’s 100% certainty brakes will not be needed). Perhaps one of the advantages of a fixed gear bike where your legs can help you stop!
@slimelord3146 жыл бұрын
TheShotenZenjin agreed. I hardly ever do it on a training/leisure ride. For my local races the police blocks off the road sections during the race
@djohnson19816 жыл бұрын
You can do both of those on a drop bar bike also. Plus, drop bars have the flat behind the drops that I use a lot on lengthy flats.
@michaellynn97633 жыл бұрын
I changed to road biking in 2012 after about 8 years of mountain biking, mainly out of curiosity, and while intimidated at the drop bars, I was amazed at how stable they were. However, I converted it to a flat bar in 2017 after losing my love of early morning cycling without traffic. I moved to China in 2019 and have recently bought a road bike with drops, and now reflect on why I changed in the first place and may never go back. The cycle lanes in Beijing are sometimes two car lanes wide and can therefore afford to use the drops on long flats. I recently seen a fully carbon Pinarello Dogma (old model) for about £300 and am thinking of converting it to a flatbar to use as a gravel/touring bike with wider tires in the more rural areas....when the restrictions lift!
I like the conclusion that the flat bar is the one to get if you are doing an egg course or riding over beams.
@tonyb97352 жыл бұрын
Which is great, very funny and everything, but actually missed a serious point. That section should have lead into the gravel bike conversation. The real conclusion is that flat bars offer better control and better braking, especially when riding on rougher terrain. So if you are buying a bike for gravel riding, whether you expect to spend more or less time off-road than on would have a real-life bearing on whether flats or drops would be better suited for you.
@jimsolari7141 Жыл бұрын
The only thing the drop bar won on was speed
@ADM-wt9cn3 ай бұрын
@@tonyb9735 Why not just get a flat bar, and add aero clip on bars for when you need speed? Wouldnt that help in itself cover the speed
@robertwrites9253 жыл бұрын
I use flat bars. Just better control. In the city if you're commuting with a road bike and choosing speed over agility then you're asking for trouble. Great video. Thanks.
@oumtaha38343 ай бұрын
Yes I am i take to clothes said
@trapbois45733 жыл бұрын
personally commuter/performance hybrids happen to be my favorite type of bikes. You can still go pretty fast though the bicycle frames are slightly heavier, work pretty well offroad like on gravel and dry dirt tracks and its flat handle bars allow for better postures, reduced back pain and better control. Road bikes are incredibly fun to ride because of the incredible speeds you can move at but you definitely notice reduced control when you are riding on terrain that isn't road. I mean even if its just a few pebbles on the road you can still feel it and its something I can ride for short periods of time. Since commuter bikes offer versatility while still moving nearly as fast as road bikes, I would always take a commuter.
@hectorl.ibarra6566 Жыл бұрын
Is there any difference between commuter and touring bikes?
@lazylonewolf Жыл бұрын
@@hectorl.ibarra6566 Not an expert, but AFAIK touring bikes are built to be more durable to carry all those bike bags, so they're often more expensive. As for commuters, technically, any bike can be a commuter, but racks, fenders, reflectors/lighting make a bike better specced for commuting.
@billzielke67983 жыл бұрын
You can always add bar ends to flat bars if you want more hand positions.
@docholliday38613 ай бұрын
Can add drop bar on flat bar?Sorry dont understand
@DasDieDerErikАй бұрын
@@docholliday3861no, but you can add bar ends (the "horns" some mountain bikes have) to a flat bar to provide you with another option for positioning your hands
@javiermierda22863 жыл бұрын
Speed vs Agility, Stability and comfortability
@darkproject33684 жыл бұрын
11:01 they gathered a wholesome little crowd how cool lol
@lafamillecarrington6 жыл бұрын
I changed from drops to flat bars and didn't enjoy the extra wind resistance, so added aero bars - which solved the problem, and I love the combination.
@johnnydoe76165 жыл бұрын
You can have a flat bar aero combination?
@robinseibel75406 жыл бұрын
FYI, while your tests look a lot like the flat bar vs. drop bar bike comparos we did in the lab at NASA, there is one big difference: we had lasers. We didn't use them in the bike tests, but nevertheless we had lasers.
@gcn6 жыл бұрын
Dang, need more lasers next time. Noted.
@georgegray27126 жыл бұрын
All we ask for are some bikes with frickin laser beams on the handlebars!
@cbfedge55936 жыл бұрын
@@georgegray2712 is that so much to ask?!
@splashpit5 жыл бұрын
Had lasers but faked the test .
@anton37524 жыл бұрын
But... but. They had lasers
@wdude334 жыл бұрын
This is the kind of video I've been looking for. The current situation has me (and many others) cycling everywhere so I've been looking to invest in a new bike. These videos are definitely helping with my shoping around
@dylanmoran99223 жыл бұрын
You could switch the bars if you don’t like it
@tonybruce2 жыл бұрын
@@dylanmoran9922 straight bars to drop bars is an insane amount of effort and money in most cases
@ItsNotSilence3 жыл бұрын
Drop bars: Speed Focused Flat bars: Agility Focused
@vika01942 жыл бұрын
Don’t forget flat bars offer more comfort too
@ricksterling79444 жыл бұрын
"Mom, the boys are out playing in the street with eggs again"......
@VijayKumar_Boss5 жыл бұрын
I prefer flat bars forever. Anybody who's liking flat bars?
@aarontolentino82874 жыл бұрын
Yeah I agree
@pjny213 жыл бұрын
I ride in Queens, NYC. Honestly couldn't imagine using drops for everyday things.
@ashutosh32523 жыл бұрын
Indian traffic demand flat bars
@kratkidokumentarci2243 жыл бұрын
That is the reason i dont want go buy roady, i love motorbikes but dont rven have licence so i ride my bicycle like motogp i have perfect road close to me for that even slight downhill... Idk what to do to make my bike faster but without changing its flat bars, should i go for full sus or hibrid, 1.95 tires or 1.75..
@joaodias44113 жыл бұрын
Same here, I have no intention to win the Tour de France this year lol, so I prefer flat bars. And it’s ok even when I do 60 or 70 kms rides.
@achtervolger66496 жыл бұрын
5:46 Ollie: "Experiment two!" and holds up one finger. Classic Matt.
@123moof4 жыл бұрын
Y'all need to do an episode on the many "alt-bars". These range from wildly flared drop bars, to swept back "flat" bars, and many much more bizarre incarnations. I've become a big fan of Jones Loop H-bars that give both a wide mountain position, as well as a narrow forward position closer to being in the hoods, and with a Narwhal addition you get a TT aero position for battling through headwinds or bombing down road descents. Once you get outside of the strictly MTB/roadie mindset there are some great handlebar positions that are great for things in-between bombing down trails and being a MAMIL (middle aged man in lycra) living out a TDF fantasy.
@rachelletourneau88643 жыл бұрын
Oh my gosh I love the creativity and the fun to just assist others in making a decision. This definitely helped me make the decision to stay with flat bars for my bike needs
@NaeMuckle4 жыл бұрын
I am the ultimate anti cyclist. I ride a hybrid with road bike gearing , suspension seatpost and aero clip on bars on my flat bars. Its covered in bike packing bags and its still got reflectors fitted as well as mudguards.
@T3HR3PP44 жыл бұрын
Once, I had to ride through a puddle without fenders. Once.
@anant67783 жыл бұрын
@@T3HR3PP4 Always get full length fenders on your bike, no matter how much effort or money it takes. Always worth it. Always.
@T3HR3PP43 жыл бұрын
@@anant6778 Amen, brother.
@sepg50843 жыл бұрын
How does that make you an anti-cyclist? If you are riding a bike, then you are a cyclist.
@NaeMuckle3 жыл бұрын
@@sepg5084 because I don't ride around like a full kit wanker in the tour de France taking up the whole road because my wife's cheating on me.
@Dr4g0nW00d6 жыл бұрын
Flat bar with bullhorns on the side yeah i am a 90's xc rider :-p
@gcn6 жыл бұрын
🤘
@Pionirish6 жыл бұрын
Aka 80s TT bike position
@jeffreywilliams36466 жыл бұрын
That's how I configured my commuter. Gives me a second hand position for when I make the ride home a long ride. My road bike (aka fun bike) has drops.
@Dr4g0nW00d6 жыл бұрын
also when the wind is in front of you grab those bullhorns and lay flat and go full out
@air_preep6 жыл бұрын
I’ve always heard them being called antlers...
@danielho56354 жыл бұрын
When it comes to climbing steep hills and being out of the saddle, I find using drop bars with hands on the brake hoods to be superior ergonomic position of any hand/bar combination.
@cyborg77583 жыл бұрын
The contador way. I like
@robertvirnig6382 жыл бұрын
Actually riding with a flat bar with bar ends gives you a hand position superior to hoods for climbing hills. I'm not sure why bar ends have gone out of style but they are a must for me. I've ridden all kinds of bikes over the years including a touring bike with butterfly bars which offer the most possible hand positions and are great for 10 hours day after day on a long expedition. I've gotten older and have retired my racing bike in favor of something simpler with flat bars to get my exercise on.
@RameshKumar-el4su2 жыл бұрын
Unless you not on even road
@sirrey02 жыл бұрын
@@robertvirnig638 dude this is the answer that i've been looking for. Hybrid vs road.
@Commsfarage2 жыл бұрын
@@robertvirnig638 you learn more forward on the goods standing up what I prefer over drops going up hills but like also putting my hands on the centre of the bars sat down. More versatile
@robertsharples98223 жыл бұрын
Think placement of brakes is also important. The drops are versatile but if you're hands are on the top bar, you're a long way from the brakes which is a bit risky if you're in a city on busy roads. Can see why a flat bar is better for that.
@andrewdyke5561 Жыл бұрын
I agree fully why i feel safety brakes on drops is a must of your riding in city
@nicoleilechie378910 ай бұрын
@@andrewdyke5561what are safety breaks ?
@GorgeGeorg3 жыл бұрын
You can add handlebar ends to your 'flat' handlebars to give your hands/wrists a 'rotational' change on long rides to relieve stress. They can also add a little protection to your hands if someone opens their door on you on the street.
@dudydude32872 жыл бұрын
Ive never had someone open their door on me in the street
@grahamriley812410 ай бұрын
This widens your position and changes your reach and actually means less comfort. Flat bars are quite wide anyway.
@sid28 Жыл бұрын
For the flat bar, for speed, what i do is hold my hand so my thumb is past the end of the grip, and the rest of my hand is on the grip, and I keep my elbows down. It helps.
@yeetzyy48735 жыл бұрын
i don't care if a bike have drops or flat bars.. i just care when ur in the full speed that u can hear the wind that touching your ear...feels heaven
@Re-bl5sr3 жыл бұрын
Yes to this.
@DanielaAndBenny4ever3 жыл бұрын
Yeeesss! Video record it and you'll hearit clearly
@assassin72503 жыл бұрын
I’m a newbie but when I ride my road bike why it feel heavy? Please explain thanks
@DanielaAndBenny4ever3 жыл бұрын
@@assassin7250 if it feels heavy its then heavy
@assassin72503 жыл бұрын
@@DanielaAndBenny4ever Its normal though right? for Road bike.
@shannonayres95666 жыл бұрын
Ollie has good camera presence. I'm glad you added him to your team.
@gcn6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Shannon
@earl13942 жыл бұрын
Now he's a permanent fixture!
@Soyquiensoy8884 жыл бұрын
Was fun to watch 😂 thank you for helping with my decision I desired for the flat bar 🙏
@gcn4 жыл бұрын
Glad our video helped!
@Narcostic Жыл бұрын
Impressive charming photo!
@Nathan-tg4gu4 жыл бұрын
Drop bars all the way. I get uncomfortable from sitting at one angle for too long. Even after 10 minutes I'm ready to switch it up. Having 3 seating positions just makes the experience so much better for me. Not to mention the amazing speed gains when zipping down hills.
@alexmaddox22553 жыл бұрын
Watching this 3 years after the fact, but I commute on hybrids and I've just gone for a more road bike orientated hybrid, still with flat bars. It gives me the best of both worlds. Easier to maintain speed because of the skinny tyres, but a more upright position in traffic when I get into more built up areas, which is crucial to me. The flat bars do also provide greater agility, great for avoiding pedestrians and cars that happen to not see you. I think of it as, flat bars are a car with more downforce, the penalty is outright speed but with more agility. Drop bars are a car built with speed in mind, so lower downforce, but with lost agility.
@alexmaddox22552 жыл бұрын
@@scottsellsFL went for a Giant FastRoad SL 3 2022 Flat Bar Road Bike (its a hybrid despite the name). To be totally honest, I didn't get on with it. It felt like they had invested a lot of money into the carbon front forks, but everything else was compromised because of it. The rubber on the handle bar is cheap, it's under braked, gears are fussy. Good seating position and it's very light, so easy to maintain speed. However, I wish I'd gone for a more mountain bike orientated hybrid again, my previous one was and just absorbed bumps on urban roads better and was more agile. The loss in top end speed between the road focused and the mountain bike focused bike just wasn't great enough to warrant the trade off in my eyes. Having said all of that, if you spent more money than I did, you could get a better bike so maybe that was my mistake. But, I was buying out of necessity not choice because my other hybrid was written off in a smash so I didn't have time to save/ do as much research as I would have liked.
@TapCat5 жыл бұрын
I love that you guys had a cheering section that had started watching you attempt the "Wooden Beams of Death." They were hilarious!
@DinnerForkTongue4 жыл бұрын
Holy crap, Tap, you watch cycling stuff too? Nice to see you here, my man! On topic: these are roadies attempting the mother of all skinnies. I'd sit by and watch too 😆
@TapCat4 жыл бұрын
@@DinnerForkTongue Yup, I fell in love with this channel during my hiatus!
@BikeTall4 жыл бұрын
I have ALWAYS preferred flat bars. Particular when riding thru NYC traffic. I felt i had much better maneuverability. I also was sitting up higher and saw my surroundings better. All around a much more comfortable & safer option for city riding. But i also prefer flat bars when touring too. Again for the upright seating position. I like the position of the gear shifters on flat bars too. I added bar end grips to my flat bars for extra hand positions and its fine for me. Sure you have more resistance with flatbars being in a more upright seating position...but i go plenty fast. Sure if all out speed is your thing...go for drop bars. But i could not imagine doing touring on drop bars. I am 6’4” tall and my back would kill me hunched over on a tour. I think the whole extra hand position argument for drop bars kind of misleading. All you gotta do is add bar end grips on flatbars and that solves that problem. And if you install butterfly type flat bars...i would argue they have more hand positions than drop bars. But again, totally subjective. Its all good. Depends on what you are into.
@ryan_alexander6 жыл бұрын
"Completed it, mate" Good to see James Buckley from Inbetweeners getting some love
@bikebudha014 жыл бұрын
The BIG question you need to answer is "what type of surfaces will I be going over". The one place drop bars fail miserably is long gravel decents. Why? The bars are narrow, and road brake hoods are NOT meant to used for long periods of time. Your hands will cramp trying to brake with roads hoods after a few minutes. And your braking will not be as good. And the narrow bars mean less control. IF you do long gravel decents (or even long paved decents), flat bars offer better, easier, safter braking/hand positions.
@fullstacklab4 жыл бұрын
then why do all those gravel bikes have drop bars? that's just a big fail
@bikebudha014 жыл бұрын
@@fullstacklab they have drop bars because they don't know what they are doing. or they they have only ridden very timid flat non-tech gravel roads...
@gailschuetze67694 жыл бұрын
Exactly, very Well stated 👏
@HkFinn834 жыл бұрын
I don’t know if i totally agree but I do agree that bikes were never designed to be ridden on the hoods. The older road bikes didn’t actually really allow you to do that and it’s something that’s come about by accident with the changing shape of drop handlebars
@bikebudha014 жыл бұрын
@@HkFinn83 I ride on plenty of flat typical gravel roads. Drop bars work fine here. But I also ride lots of forest service roads, that are a mix of gravel and dirt/rock. And they are mountainous. I'm talking descending for 30 to 60 minutes straight. Braking from the hoods in this scenario just doesn't work.
@Aman1nFull4 жыл бұрын
Really solid analysis. A lot of people would try to sum up the differences in ten seconds but you guys actually take the time to investigate. Good camera-work too!
@preston770216 жыл бұрын
The hit detection technology is amazing
@kakarot24306 жыл бұрын
I used to commute with my MTB. During a fast long section road, I usually went into the "fake" TT position...
@faviosolimo44195 ай бұрын
Answer is in the name of the bike itself. Road bike (usually with drop bars) is for doing longer distances in roads or routes when you are not in the middle of traffic in highly populated areas and not crossing intersections all the time and when it is not that important been seen from the vehicles that could appear from the streets. In that case a commuter bike with flat bars is much more efficient, maneuverable and comfortable bike. I live in Buenos Aires and that is why I use my mtb for commuting and only use my road bike when I go out to do some kilometers at weekends. Another very important reason for choosing my mtb for commuting is that hydraulic brakes are much more dependable for many surprises that usually happen on traffic. Greetings from Argentina!
@ertugrul98914 жыл бұрын
Drinking game: take a shot everytime they say "Aerodynamics" and try not to get into a coma
@phabletfortyfour34576 жыл бұрын
Finally a test on this 👍. "Flat bars only offer one hand position" well no that's not so, watch any mtb xc or marathon event and u will see riders hands each side of the stem when on a stretch of flat road. This combined with low body position gives reasonable aero too.
@RuezgaDaniel6 жыл бұрын
Phablet Fortyfour I agree, nobody ever mentions the ability to put your hands near the stem and go aero on flat bars. It can actually feel pretty fast, even on a mountain bike!
@smalerider17276 жыл бұрын
Hand position has more to do with wrists. Flat bar I'm always going to have my wrists parallel to my shoulders.
@bigring64246 жыл бұрын
Smale rider, yes, and you're always going to have the weight on the same part of your hand.
@innocentiuslacrim22905 жыл бұрын
If wanting to go fast, one can always put on aero bar attachments to those flatbars or if wanting to have more relaxed positions, there are plenty of alternative flat bar shapes (like jones h-bar, mustache bars, even butterfly bars).
@ps3customgamer5 жыл бұрын
Neck strain vs comfort nope comfort every time I’m not competing
@kudosbudo3 жыл бұрын
You wanna know whats really daft. On BMX bars you can get MORE comfort BUT you can get more aero cos you cna get into the TT position due to the cross bar as its usually the right height. So On my 29 inch BMX when i want to go fast I just rest my forearms on the cross bar and get low and narrow.
@Jxrd993 жыл бұрын
@@kudosbudo You can do that on any bike tbf. While riding long straight roads on my mountain bike, you can literally just slide ya hands in and hold right by the stem
@barotia6 жыл бұрын
I personally find that easier to maneuver in the city with a drop bar, especially between cars, since its narrower. We do not have any cycling route :(
@khalliddo13854 жыл бұрын
Have you tried a narrow flatbar? That would be a amazing experience.
@fjp33052 жыл бұрын
I'm changing my drop bar to an almost flat bar on my road bike. And it's not only for beginners, it's for riders who want better handling through traffic and more comfort in congested cities.
@skieurdovronnaz2412 жыл бұрын
I chose to get both on one bike : I have a flat bar, on which I added drops ! As a result, I have the stability and the three positions and the aerodynamics Plus, I’ve never seen in years a bike similar to mine, which is pretty cool !
@jamesseeker8256 жыл бұрын
That's the thing which I was looking for !! Thanks team GCN
@gcn6 жыл бұрын
No worries James, you're very welcome
@jamesseeker8256 жыл бұрын
+Global Cycling Network Cheers
@brankododig15856 жыл бұрын
I actually converted my flat bar to drop bar on account of comfort on multi-hour rides. Flat bars with bar-ends are actually fine comfort wise as long as you're a bit more upright, but if you try for a low and somewhat stretched out position on a flat bar, the hands start hurting after some time. A bit of extra speed doesn't hurt any, either. When it comes to braking, especially downhill, I actually feel more confident and safer on the drop bars when I'm actually in the drops, feels better planted and connected to the bike. Of course braking from the hoods is worse than braking with a flat bar, so it's about 50-50 on the count of braking, I guess. Visibility is down to the bike setup, not flats vs drops themselves - I know, it's controversial - but there are other setups than a -17 degree stem with no spacers underneath.
@Lalt4 жыл бұрын
I'm new to cycling and recently discovered this channel. Brilliant and helpful!
@natebit71674 жыл бұрын
Mountain biker watching this and laughing to myself haha
@LeDank3 жыл бұрын
Mountain bikers: W I D E flats ONLY
@Jndjnd3802 жыл бұрын
I start to understand the different flat bar bike and drop bar bike..I really apreciate your Vidio highlight.thank you👍👍👍👍👍
@oliverf.685 жыл бұрын
Thanks to you I bought the correct sort of bike for my personal needs, flat bar handles in my case as I just the bike for coming and going to work and dribble through traffic.
@filuo90585 жыл бұрын
I feel that the drop bar not only need flexibility but can be limited to the body shape of the perso. I can almost touch my toes, maybe a inch away of actually touching them, but I have somewhat of a beer gut and the drop down bar is just not confortable for me. Also, I feel for me that the braking is not as reflexive with the drop bar compared the flat bar. I have to admit that having mutiple hand positions is a must when you ride for more than a hours or two. You solve this problem with the flat bar adding some - I don't know how to call it in english (i.e. I'm french) - but it's horns I think that give a extra hand position wich helps a lot
@steveburgoine6 жыл бұрын
What I’m taking from this video is that GMBN presenters are better at bike handling.
@gcn6 жыл бұрын
Well I guess that's true
@capybun6 жыл бұрын
Damn...
@bobbyhempel15136 жыл бұрын
Mountain bikers usually are
@ploperdung5 жыл бұрын
Well bike handling is much more present in varied offroad so...
@sugarnads5 жыл бұрын
Was thinking that too also 'get a mountain bike lolz'
@REAPER-1xxx3 ай бұрын
Both are great. Drops on my early model gravel road bike. My main bike, for when I feel like cycling. It’s basically a road bike that can fit maximum 37mm tires and it has 105 5800 group and 105 7000 RD. Flats on my 29er XC. For off road. Swept for my errand bike. The one that goes in bike racks.
@unckieherb4 жыл бұрын
As a beginner this was very helpful; I appreciate it. Thanks guys!
@vivoslibertos6 жыл бұрын
Sheldon Brown said it's important to have the right effective top tube length, it's all about reach. Roadbike frame are design for fit with the dropbar reach therefore it's narrow, compare to flatbar specific design that should have longer ETT.
@howdepressing24954 жыл бұрын
You can easily assume the same position you have in a drop bar to a flat bar. Although not as efficient and not exactly the same as a drop bar, it can help with flat bars.
@Commsfarage2 жыл бұрын
Not really in my opinion drops give more comfort and more hand and body positioning. on flats you have to bend you're elbows and hunch unlike going on the drops.
@howdepressing24952 жыл бұрын
@@Commsfarage I agree
@Tamiro47116 жыл бұрын
Just to add a few points (which may or not have come up already): Flat bar - use handle bars/extended grip. Way more comfortable and also stretching you out to gain a better speed position. Drop bar: What about the triathlon bar? Also don´t use click pedals for those tests but maybe cage pedals - normal shoes work and you don´t have to focus on attaching your shoes to the pedal. They also offer a lot more handling support as you can lean your feet with the bike. A general point: A believe the advantage in regards to speed is the sitting position (muscle groups activated) then only aerodynamics alone.
@iattilagy2 жыл бұрын
Both are very dangerous suggestions. No brakes on handle bars. Cage pedals are simply obsolete, they offer no advantage over clipless.
@shibe-345310 ай бұрын
i use flat bar, well its hard for aero so i get creative by placing my hand in the middle when i already accelerate
@questgivercyradis84627 ай бұрын
Forgot one aspect: comfort of the brakes and shifters. When I was bike shopping, the drop bars available weren't manageable for my small hands. If I can't comfortably brake and shift, it is a no-go from the start!
@Wings_of_foam4 ай бұрын
Just chose the right ones mate.
@NolaChick825 жыл бұрын
Obviously drop bars are going to be better if you're trying to get some speed. For me, flat bar is ideal because I'm just a casual rider.
@karennay59934 жыл бұрын
I ride both mtn bike and road. However, when I'm on my road bike its drop bars! Love the aerodynamics.
@shmvon6 жыл бұрын
"If you want a bike to ride over beams, then that one is better." Now that's a scientific interpretation of an unscientific test.
@TarotTarot110 ай бұрын
Thank you💕. After 40 years back into cycling🤷♀️
@Wings_of_foam4 ай бұрын
Welcome back.
@CFG394 жыл бұрын
I just started cycling a lot (30-40 miles daily) and started with a “hybrid” flat bar bike, but quickly developed numbness in my hands and sore back. I decided to buy a road bike and went with a Roubaix Sport with drop bars. I’m so much more comfortable, faster, and able to go farther.
@fabiogulmini46644 жыл бұрын
11:28 Feel bad for that derailleur
@JACKCAPISTRANO6 жыл бұрын
roadies look weird on a flat bar.. :D
@sepg50843 жыл бұрын
Good thing some cyclists don't care too much about looks :) I built a bike with a lightweight road bike frame, 27-speed Shimano Deore drivetrain, flat bar, and 26-inch road tires that are wider than regular road bike tires but narrower than mtb tires. I ride on busy city streets and sometimes ride on dirt trails.
@pebbles34583 жыл бұрын
@@sepg5084 i guess that’s a gravel bike?
@user-ko5kk9ud8k3 жыл бұрын
@@pebbles3458 hybrid
@nefariousstylo99436 жыл бұрын
On my fixed gear with an agressive fork and drop I find the bike changes dramatically depending on the bars. Bullhorns can be twitchy but gives me a good posture for sprinting and ideal for long hills. Drops are fast and very stable but terrible in town. Flats are by far the best for everyday commuting and gives you a lot of control when needed but terrible down the highway. And I find flats make the bike feel like a commuter, and given the particular rig I feel that's dissapointing.
@randomistmech4 жыл бұрын
Road Bike Party, anyone? Legendary video that will demonstrate just what can be done on drops, by pro mountain bikers. And Road bike Party 2, that was almost never finished for very sad reasons. Shows just what a top spec "race" bike can stand up to in the right hands.
@colinwhite704 жыл бұрын
Met a guy 4 years ago who at 82 was riding 200 miles every week; have followed him on Strava ever since. Saw him earlier this year with his new Bianci road bike which he still rides every day, hail or shine. A super hero in my book and an inspiration. Never too old with a bit of luck and great determination.
@brianrobertson42295 жыл бұрын
There's no comparison its whatever suites your needs
@conzartz88454 жыл бұрын
i changed my mtb to dropbars and i liked it very much. it's true you'll lose a little bit in handling, but you'll gain speed. not only on flats but also on climbs. i don't regret changing it to dropbars. looks cool too :)
@kuheylan6382 жыл бұрын
Bro made his own gravel
@julianblacksmith8539 Жыл бұрын
@@kuheylan638 The geometry is still different
@someguy95206 жыл бұрын
the flatbar bike looks sleek. like a very modern hybrid/fast commuter for weaving through cities. I myself converted my entry level roadbike into a flatbar urban bike. 100mm stem and 600mm handlebar integrated, 23mm gp 4000 tires and stiff, reliable mavic aksium wheels. It even looks quite good IMO
@michaelmccarthy37044 жыл бұрын
I'm interested in doing the opposite conversion - flat to drop, do I need to change gear and brake cables as well as other parts?
@divyaanand90892 жыл бұрын
i prefer drop bars...as it provides different hand positions...maybe not as wide as a flat bar but is still better than just one hand position
@mahendrakapady44824 жыл бұрын
Fabulous Explanation. creative, wonderful and much needed. keep it up GCN Team. I really love the work, efforts and contribution you guys are putting in the world of cycling. Thank you Ollie and james
@wschart4 жыл бұрын
Having ridden both, I find that I prefer dropped bars. with flat bars, after a while I get numb hands, particularly my left. It seems there is a nerve running across my palm and the flat bar puts pressure on this. With the drop bars, I can change position if this starts to be a problem. While for short distances, this is probably not an issue, for longer distances I would not use anything other than dropped bars. As always, YMMV.
@Westphaliac2 жыл бұрын
Maybe you have slightly different length arms? Might explain the higher pressure on the left
@codwarlock2 жыл бұрын
How strange this is the exact same issue with me 😂
@Nikiforos592 жыл бұрын
It's strange I am 63 nowadays I don't know if it's anything to do with that but I have the same problem with my left hand
@marianmariuszb2 жыл бұрын
Try grandpa's bars with 45 degree backsweep, or look for 25, 30, 33 degree or sth. It changes all riding experience.
@Snedz4962 жыл бұрын
I can't say I've had a problem with numbness in my left hand. I have grips on my hybrid that have a flat part at the top to rest your hand and it feels so comfortable
@americanexpress8884 жыл бұрын
thank you for the video. Honestly, if you don't care the speed and want to have a safe ride then flat bar would the the choice. drop bar looks cool but that's about it.
@kato_dsrdr2 жыл бұрын
Drop bar is for competitive people and for those who want to be as fast as possible. Flat bar are for those who just want to enjoy biking.
@albertbrown76944 жыл бұрын
I have 4 cheap bikes. 2 drop bar and 2 flat bar. When biking to the store, I prefer the flat bars and a backpack. When riding over gravel, also the flat bars. When riding distance, it's the drop bars. It's nearly midnight and you've made me want to go biking.
@tacobelzardo5404 жыл бұрын
"A penalty for every egg, I mean hit detection device." lmao! Great video thanks for the help! (in case I ever need a new bike)
@HeatherSpoonheim5 жыл бұрын
Just got back into cycling after a few decades off. I went for a flat bar and I'm glad I did. That being said, I think I'll be swapping them out for drop bars next season. I wish that all I had to change was the bar - but controls, possibly derailleurs - not going to be a cheap change.
@frankr.larkin72492 жыл бұрын
Flat bars for getting about town, adding a rack and going grocery shopping - a bike you can lock up in NYC for an hour or two. Drop bar is for exercise in the park or trips outside the city. Two bikes are necessary.
@jawwadwaseem7 күн бұрын
3:00 To all those wondering, the tounge-out is to assess the speed and direction of the wind. It's called the "serpent method". 😅
@aros007z5 жыл бұрын
Flat bar way more stable, drop bars meant for straight ahead on the road!
@rossfuller80255 жыл бұрын
Not true at all. Drops are WAY more stable in turns.
@seraby71514 жыл бұрын
@@rossfuller8025 if you watched the vid, you could see the drop bar failed in the agility test. Flat bars are just easier to control. Plus you would never see a drop bar in mtbs lol
@rossfuller80254 жыл бұрын
@@seraby7151 Agility? Dude, road bikes are speed machines. It's not about being agile, it's about being STABLE at speed.
@rossfuller80254 жыл бұрын
@BBD Design I'm not mixing-up anything. I'm talking about steering agility. Which is IRRELEVANT on a road bike. You're almost never going slow enough it for it to matter at all. Road bikes don't see rough, technical terrain. Also, anyone who hasn't crashed obviously doesn't race, yet you're acting like some sort of super cyclist? Piss off!
@rossfuller80254 жыл бұрын
@BBD Design I road mountain too, tough guy. And the fact that you are resorting to imbecilic put-downs tells me you must be pretty triggered yourself, bud.
@snehanshpati61552 жыл бұрын
Now i am 91...and i mostly ride flat bars...
@da14a492 жыл бұрын
91 and riding! What an inspiration - genuinely amazing :)
@BrianBattles4 ай бұрын
I'm 66...me too...on an ebike
@alteragnostik6 жыл бұрын
I miss Matt...
@MarchOfMonarchs6 жыл бұрын
alteragnostik same :'( ilike the new guys but you gotta miss those who stuck with you for years
@TheAnonyy6 жыл бұрын
What happened to him?
@craighoward82046 жыл бұрын
TheAnonyy he was on his final written warning from GCN bosses for failing to clip in. Never been seen since...
@ministryoftruth85886 жыл бұрын
Matt was IMHO the best GCN presenter by far. Maybe I'm biased being I'm his same age and also a cop. His quirky personality and his way at laughing at himself and finding humor in EVERYTHING made him the most likeable GCN presenter. Dan Lloyd is my 2nd favorite, he has the coolest accent and is probably the best cyclist of the bunch, considering he actually successfully completed the TDF. He doesn't look too impressive considering his gangly ectomorph frame, but he is a SERIOUS badass athlete!!! Tough as nails too. He has the scars to prove it.
@lmc3335 жыл бұрын
Who is Matt ? I recently joined/watched this channel, and I quite like Ollie !
@emilegoulet11 ай бұрын
also a good reason for drop bars I found is that its much easier to slide in the trafic, because you are a lot slimmer
@a1naruth2 ай бұрын
you can always add horns to a flat bars. I.e. with Ergon grips, which allows to change hand position on a longer ride. The key difference then is - flat bars you have more upright and 'aware' default position with instant access to brakes. That's good for the city cruising. The horns without brakes access are then for steep ascents or fast pace, flat straights. It seems like drop bars are for more 'pro' cyclists who really want the higher top/average speed on straights. However it requires more agility, puts more constraints on the wardrobe choice and higher pricetag on the bike equipment.
@tomrachellesfirstdance78436 жыл бұрын
Nice to see you remembering Matt not clicking in
@rbfordxp6 жыл бұрын
Removing environmental effects it would be interesting to see which would be better for indoor training, and which would be better for higher output powers say for sprints.