Glock 43X-Sized, Sig P365 Mags? The Zev OZ9sc

In this episode of TFBTV, ‪@JamesReeves‬ is at ZEV to talk about their newest prototype Glock 43X size pistol, the OZ(sc. This is - again - a prototype, but it will be a modular frame like it's big brother OZ9, and there's a good chance it will be designed around the Sig P365 series of magazines. Let ZEV know what you think in the comments!
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[@cxsey8587]

“People love proprietary mags! And you could charge 70 dollars for them” 💀💀 James is so fucking funny

[@dutch4260]

I love how brutally honest James was, shutting down that idea.

[@dutch4260]

@@StagFabulous Chad's don't let virgins make proprietary magazines. The look on that Zev rep's face was priceless.

[@jmartini2387]

I was dying listening to that part!

[@bigfootgoesboom]

Props to James for roasting them about the possibility of proprietary mags

[@kulaid0]

James is 100 percent correct Glock slide with sig mag I would buy in a heartbeat

[@powdernitz]

glocks biggest failure right now is their inability to adapt to the mag updates. their 43x should be using their own OEM 15 rounders. but they're too stuck on polymer coated full metal lined double or single stack mags. if they lose that polymer coating, all of the sudden they can change their mag geometry and fit more rounds in the same size package. madness!

[@gansior4744]

Maybe, but their mags are pretty much bombproof and reliable

[@AJ-xc4nm]

But neither the PSA 15 rd mags OR sheild arms mags are reliable. The p365 ones are but the guns are bigger. Glock will not make an unreliable gun plain and simple.

[@ph00ny1]

@@AJ-xc4nmIsn't one of their guns for 2024 shot show range section struggling with reliability?

[@AJ-xc4nm]

@ph00ny1 the glock 49 is the EXACT same operating system as the 17 which has been reliable for ages now. I'm not sure of any reliability issues with it unless you're talking about another.

[@cyrusfreeman9972]

Can i please have a 43x type gun that uses M9 mags?

[@Goob787]

The tension between James and companies making dumb decisions is hilarious. If people would just listen to him their product would do good lol. I guarantee zev will do a proprietary mag

[@c0ldphuz10n]

The PSA Micro Dagger mags have 15 round capacity for the 43x without the need to swap out to a metal mag release. Gucci tier and poverty tier combining powers could be sweet.

[@chrisfekete523]

Both are poverty tiers it’s just uncommon loot now lol

[@arguy3297]

They did great with that product itd be nice if they just jammed out like 20,000 of them. Every time they come in stock theyre OOS again in 2 hours or so.

[@WATCHYOR6]

You can literally see the exact time he wanted to to tell J, to GTFOH, simply for making sense. But I believe Mossberg nailed this platform with their Mc2sc and made the decision to use Mec-gar mags. This total solved there issues with proper feeding and availability.

[@printingwithpeek4897]

Neither the Sheild Arms Magazines nor the PSA magazines will solve your problem.

[@-larry.]

hot take: as long as the feed lip geometry lines up, or even split the difference between the two mag types since the platform is chassis based. they could offer grip modules that would facilitate either mag type and present rounds to the feed ramp accordingly.

[@atomicsmith]

If only it were that simple… you also have to work out slide catch geometry, over-insertion stops, feed angle, feed height, etc and then test each one of those variables to reliability for at least 5000 rounds. It’s way easier to pick a magazine and design around it. Since the sig mag is the most tested, and has the most options, it probably makes the most sense. Designing a high end gun around a third party mag that’s already had reliability issues, sounds like painting yourself into a corner…

[@mcleod_aka_doom1961]

17rd xmacro mags, backstrap options, a k cut and I'm sold.

[@mikkxfit]

Looks amazing so far. Fingers crossed on P365 magazines to fit in with their modularity aims.

[@Terron35]

I think people would buy the crap out of this gun if it took 17rd P365 mags

[@gokuss15]

It can. Anything that takes the smaller P365 mags can accept the big ones, they just won’t be flush with the grip.

[@rovermiles1]

It wouldn't be a 43x then.

[@ErikAndersonNorthStar]

@@rovermiles1 They could offer both as grip module options. It still would be a 43X because it otherwise takes Glock componentry.

[@peternorth1721]

Yeah because id love spending $600 for 5 mags

[@Terron35]

@peternorth1721 you'd be able to get about 10 mags for $600 but I get your point. Still better than trying to trust shield arms mags or being limited to 10rd mags because Glock refuses to innovate

[@Gadsden-rn2wl]

James is 100% right accepting sig mags would be so sick and fix the round count / shield arms mag dilemma.

[@mr.martyr8573]

My Shield Arms mags run just fine. I dont get why everyone says they're shit. Lol

[@thegreatgreenmenace4050]

@@mr.martyr8573ive had mine jam up with 147gr JHPs made by Ammo inc (heard they also have bad qc). Dunno if it was because of the round geometry or what.

[@allothecheekclapper]

​@@mr.martyr8573Its a gamble whether you get ones that work or not. You got lucky

[@SkateAndReview]

@@mr.martyr8573yea they run just fine when you only put a box of 50 rounds a month at a indoor range 😂

[@Gadsden-rn2wl]

@@mr.martyr8573 seems like QC issues. Its a mixed bag if it will be good or bad

[@Extra_Ordinary_Gary]

Chassis Glock with 365 mags would sell well in my opinion

[@jeremyread261]

This is the answer. Idk why noone has done this yet

[@TheLifeofRon]

1:37 yea the NEW aluminum grip that they conned Icarus to make and design, then stole the idea from it and "made their own" and didn't credit them at all... 🤘🏼stoked

[@jamesjinxx]

Icarus backlog/backorder on anything is ridiculous tho bro.I don’t disagree but sig did the same to Icarus

[@TheLifeofRon]

@@jamesjinxx ya Icarus is definitely a high demand product, but for a company to go to Icarus and have him write a cad program and make demos just for them to say “nahhh” then just 1 thing like the texture to a honeycomb texture and claim they made it..is wrong on so many levels.

[@fearnonebutone4977]

Some older v1 zevs may have had some issues but the v2 is amazing. This looks like a really solid option.

[@UltimateEnd0]

This gun has sooo much potential to be Sig365 killer. If it doesn't rust like the 365, if it is DEAD NUTS reliable like the G19x. I agree the masses have spoken for it take 365 mags. Also the forged aluminum chassis is just chef's kiss for this gun. This could be a t-shirt & shorts gamechanger.

[@ph00ny1]

There seem to be some confusion. XL15 rounder is an extended mag on the 365/XL lineup. 15 round mag is nearly same length as 17 round mag at least on one side Doing the XL 15 round mag will mean you can use the 12 round mags

[@printingwithpeek4897]

That doesn't mean jack shit dude. They make inserts you can put on the bottom of a magazine that take up the space underneath a magazine so lower round counts can be used in longer grips. You're comment doesn't really make sense.

[@jeffreybrooks8643]

Pretty nice that the subcompact pistol has a rail for a light or laser plus red dot optic, although the projected price sounds like it may be steep. Thanks, James!

[@jacksin3323]

The 3d printing wold of gun design using exitsing parts will dig this. Were already using carbon fiber nylon which is stronger than glocks glass filled. We just dont use injection moulding.

[@Coda734]

OZ9SC Hypercomp with Zev/Icarus Aluminum grip module please. I’ll take an OZ9SC X grip with a PMM Comp for now though :)

[@dustyd6617]

The one I’ve been waiting for! Love my Zevs.

[@tylerfrogley1227]

Love Zev. Do both grip modules so you can run either mag type for your preference. Boom. Done. FCUs for the win

[@printingwithpeek4897]

FCUs make no sense. This would be a chassis and its a Glock which is even better.

[@tylerfrogley1227]

@@printingwithpeek4897 I’m confused. This is a chassis gun. And it’s a Glock pattern.

[@peepeepoopoo42069]

@@printingwithpeek4897 You make no sense. The chassis is the FCU, dimwit.

[@UltimateEnd0]

You're such an alpha Mr.James Reeves. Your confidence & assertiveness is like my dad's and it's something I personally strive for. Keep on SLAYING it!

[@isaudy]

I’d imagine it’s significantly cheaper to just release the complete lower without mags but takes Glock/shield arms mags & another in p365 mags. - Let the market decide what it wants and then go from there. - The upper and its components are what make and break a glock clone/build. I would swap with a mos upper and jttc barrel + comp anyway. Selling their upper to pay for the build. I’d buy a lower tomorrow if it was available. In either option.

[@clicco11]

That grip looks slick AF

[@WillMoon]

+1 on P365 mags.

[@erikdunbar4451]

They’d be crazy not to use the 365 mags. They should make an XL grip length and a Macro grip size. The downside of the 43X are the mags. Why on earth would they walk themselves into that corner. The 365 mags are available up to 17 rounders and TTI makes an awesome +3 for 20 rounds. Proprietary mags are stupid. They need it out asap too. Losing market share this whole time.

[@f308gtb1977]

I like it but where’s the VP9CC?

[@simmsgoff]

Shield arms mags are great

[@brixalpha]

So did I miss something with the g43x platform where glock is allowing PSA, SCT and ZEV to produce these firearms that are clones of the 43x? Or is it tied to the Gen 3 expiring?

[@JakeCamo]

I’m also wondering how they are able to copy the gun haha, is it so closely based on the gen 3 design instead?

[@brixalpha]

@@JakeCamo well I own the micro and I'm pretty as far as I can tell there are a lot of Gen 3 and Gen 4/5 parts. Example the mag release is swappable to your preferred side like a gen 4, comes with a gen 3 type slide stop but is compatible with a gen 5 side stop on the 43x. I am sure Glock can't be pleased that more companies flooding the market share with versions based on the 43x, with more features and at a more competitive price. Especially when the 356xl and 365 have had strong sales as well. Just curious, all I know is that I love the free market and all the choices we have.

[@peepeepoopoo42069]

@@brixalpha Hopefully it'll lead to Glock innovating some too!

[@bluemari937]

People loves proprietary magazines 😭😭😭 aw man made my day

[@jordanragin1615]

Its funny how neither one of them mentioned PSA mags

[@tylerreis7627]

Those engineers at zev saw that clip of milspec mojo jamming a sig mag into his Glock and it running and they went “holy shit wait a minute”

[@sealove79able]

a great neat video andpistol Mr.James.have a good one and keep pouring these great videos please include the Ruger stand.

[@online_now6834]

so........the PSA Dagger micro but at 5x the cost...

[@21scavage]

Nah the OZ9 series is much better than the dagger.

[@SuspiciousGanymede]

If you're ok with running the micro dagger stock it wins. They don't take the majority of aftermarket or glock OEM parts.

[@printingwithpeek4897]

@@SuspiciousGanymede The mixro dagger is a 43x dude. They take the majority of aftermarket parts.

[@printingwithpeek4897]

No it's a Zev OZ9 that has a steel chassis in it that affords better recoil and different grip options. I understand that you're trying to make an autistic attempt to garner support for your decision that cost less, but you're not helping yourself.

[@paulfryejr2918]

Thanks, James.

[@Zay-p5v]

Geez James is on the sauce already… what a lush 😂

[@brasshunter9294]

Fucking do it! Aluminum frame!

[@printingwithpeek4897]

Icarus OZ9SC frame would be fire

[@ryanthorne5432]

Why not have grip modules that allow the user to use whatever mags they want, within reason.

[@printingwithpeek4897]

Not every magazine allows for the use of a trigger housing unit like on the ZEV Chassis. Also, you'd have to account for like 9 different feeding angles and jump heights.

[@sleigh4019]

Do what the MC9 did use double stack ..they figured out how to use standards canik mags in a tiny g43 gun..soooo

[@printingwithpeek4897]

What do you think a 43x is?

[@jamesgichuru167]

Will it have a 1911 angle grip? That’s my only gripe with the 43X as is.

[@printingwithpeek4897]

You don't know what a 1911 grip angle is.

[@jamesgichuru167]

@@printingwithpeek4897 you don’t know anything about 3D printing.

[@printingwithpeek4897]

@@jamesgichuru167 Bro, I have a Bambu X1E

[@jamesgichuru167]

@@printingwithpeek4897 that’s Chinese garbage.

[@peepeepoopoo42069]

@@jamesgichuru167 if you know 3d printing, then make your own 43x frame with a 1911 grip angle.

[@123uvalax]

This looks GOOD

[@UltimateEnd0]

Yes! Perfect CC EDC

[@natet9881]

W the options out there and how good they are you gotta go with the factory mag option !!!!

[@scotsasnett]

The Gen 3 Shield arms magazines have worked out all the problems now

[@nickadkins7765]

That couldn't be further from the truth. I can't tell you how many different people I've seen still having issues with the gen 3's

[@printingwithpeek4897]

Wrong.

[@DavidFourteen]

Oh well, having to wait until 2025 for the OZ9 means we'll be able to save up for it I suppose.

[@SteveMiles]

You didn't ask if it will accept the current OZ 9 V2 chassis or if there will be a new one created for it.

[@printingwithpeek4897]

Bro. It's an entire different gun. How do you not understand the different between a double stack and the sub compact 43x line of guns? Jesus christ this is so blatantly obvious to figure out.

[@Adam-wl3vt]

What happened to this? Did Zev abandon it? They seem to not be able to manufacture their regular Oz9 parts.

[@UltimateEnd0]

Zev got bought by SilencerCo and laid off a bunch of Zev's employees. It's stupid unfortunate because this OZ9SC was looking promising to save the company.

[@Adam-wl3vt]

I didn’t know that. Maybe that’s why I can’t find any slides or replacement grips. Hopefully Silencerco revives it.

[@wrxzboost]

i could care less what mag they end up using since you can't please everyone...i'm more interested in the price as the subcompact world is very competitive.

[@printingwithpeek4897]

Bro, it's a concept gun. You commented on this on another channel. You still have no fucking idea of what you're talking about.

[@son_of_thor8448]

P365 Macro mags would be the way to go.

[@Paelorian]

As simple Glock 43X competitor I understand it. But if they change the magazine, potentially to a better design like the P365 pattern, then I would want to see a comparison of the feature of this pistol compared to P365 variants. Because then it's not just a higher-end Glock clone, it's a hybrid with reliability a question mark because it uses different mags, and I'd have to ask why it's better to have a Glock that takes P365 mags than a P365. Glock's selling point is that the design is so proven reliable in part because it hasn't functionally changed in decades. If it starts taking P365 mags, well, then the P365 pistols have the established reputation of reliability on their favor. There would have to be an argument that this is the best pistol to use P365 mags. But instead of buying an upgraded Glock that takes P365 mags you could just make a few upgrades to any P365 variant and maybe have something better and more proven reliable. Thanks for the video. I particularly enjoyed the small glimpse of the behind-the-scenes decision making. That was interesting information to get out of him, James. It's interesting for us enthusiasts to learn why manufacturers choose to make guns the way they do. To consumer I think the P365 is a clearly more appealing mag than an aftermarket Shield S15 or reduced-capacity Glock mag, but the manufacturer has other needs to balance, like engineering and manufacturing difficulty and uncertainty.

[@lanceblinent7909]

Maybe be in production in 2025??? Might as well present/display a laser pistol to be on the market in 2046.

[@mericaeagle9319]

365 mags would make the most sense, they could offer a 10 shot sub compact up to a full size option with macro mags

[@spearheadrifleman]

I’m edging rn

[@bobibobilli1537]

Sig Glock or the Gig or wait wait the Slock 43!

[@US2A]

My lgs sig mags are 62 bucks now😮

[@narutobroken]

F that

[@US2A]

@@narutobroken yeah

[@peepeepoopoo42069]

@@US2A lgs prices. They always overcharge.

[@damianchung7526]

if i could like this video another time i would, thanks for bringing this to my attention

[@Philmoscowitz]

Looks great, but is there any reason to get this instead of the P365X?

[@koyota6822]

Damn James is getting vascular! Look at those garden hoses next to his biceps!!!

[@travis9687]

Just my .02 make all these micro’s steel frame to help mitigate the recoil

[@Camsr8]

Let's go!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@armandoquintana2185]

Love ZEV man. Want this to just have.

[@AlexSquared1911]

Where’s the Zev /Magpul FDP / FDC???

[@juanvaldez6321]

Macro mags would slap. 17+ rounds on a 1911 grip angle. I'm considering buying a mischief machine module just for this but they are never in stock

[@Moetown1986]

GO P365 MAGS!

[@mike34744]

Do it with the p365 mags and I’ll buy one 100%

[@cxsey8587]

Cool concept!

[@rifleshooter8606]

365XL mag all the way

[@brandonfarmer7446]

Use mags that are reliable and higher capacity than 10rounds whole reason I let my 43x go and went back to sig

[@pehenryjr]

Don't forget the Palmetto State Armory mags!

[@printingwithpeek4897]

They're ass.

[@adamgrimes820]

Sig magazine would be ideal. The glock mags are the biggest reason the 43x isn’t picked more from the micro lineup. And we’ve heard about m&p shield mags failing. The sig mags are built extremely well and are totally reliable. They are expensive, but they are good solid compact mags. I’d rather fatten the grip for 19 sized mags than see 43x mags.

[@nickadkins7765]

I have news for you....Shield Arms is a company. They have nothing to do with Smith & Wesson or the Shield line of firearms bro 😂

[@KPHVAC]

SIG P365 mags all the way!

[@Berserkable]

If there ends up being one that takes the 10rnd 365 mags being like the g43 in size I’d buy one. If the VP9cc ever releases then it won’t matter but this would be nice until then. Just not interested in a 43x sized one though. Definitely need options for 43, 43x and possibly a 365 Macro sized versions to cover all bases.

[@tomcollins2679]

They definitely won’t listen to customers and are going 10 rd glock mags or proprietary mags for $60-70 a piece but the upside to that would be everyone would get very reliable mags with good capacity for their 43x and 48’s

[@thomasbourn9340]

i would buy this in a heartbeat if it had xmacro magazines

[@printingwithpeek4897]

People do not understand how important that would be. Every other 43x after market mag sucks.

[@leiac3163]

MAKE IT TAKE SIG MAGS!!!

[@armourbl]

Exciting option.

[@davidg9352]

Very nice!

[@hopewilliams6705]

Now if someone would do this with a 2011

[@generalgreevus8773]

Micro 2011s already exist made by Bul Armory

[@travissienknecht9265]

Alpha Foxtrot S-15 too.

[@Andrew-on5do]

Lookin jacked James

[@Gladdi80r]

Could use the CR920X 15 round mags

[@printingwithpeek4897]

Is it a 43x variant?

[@Gladdi80r]

@@printingwithpeek4897 mostly, the CR920s use Glock parts except for the striker assembly and magazine. They made the mags metal for increased capacity. Barrel, spring, sights, trigger (minus striker) are pretty much Glock 43 compatible

[@peepeepoopoo42069]

I doubt they'd use their main competitor's magazines for their gun. It would drive more people to just buy Shadow Systems' guns.

[@peepeepoopoo42069]

But I may pick one of these up to try in my G43! Thanks for the info!

[@spencerdryer4102]

Sig mags!!!

[@Cody_Istre]

Looks like you had a sticky shift key when writing the description. "their newest prototype Glock 43X size pistol, the OZ(sc."

[@tdoom2421]

Please make a 4 inch version!

[@printingwithpeek4897]

Just get a different slide.

[@enochdelarosa3411]

Would love to just buy just the frame with a 1911 grip angle that takes shield mags that I can just slap my ported 48slide on

[@printingwithpeek4897]

So you don't know what a 1911 grip angle is. Your ported slide doesn't mitigate recoil, it just makes it easier to get lint and other foreign debris into the pistol. And shield mags are ass.

[@enochdelarosa3411]

@@printingwithpeek4897 22 vs 18 yeah yeah whatever bro and they work fine for me

[@printingwithpeek4897]

@@enochdelarosa3411 No. That's not a 1911 grip angle. It's 11°. On top of that, a 1911 grip angle includes the main arch spring housing in the back that the original had on it which most people claim that they don't like and in actuality have no idea of what they're talking about.

[@ttran626]

Zev OZf6384GHTR187. These gun manufacturers need to keep the name simple

[@printingwithpeek4897]

O.......Z....9.....S...C......How is that not simple?

[@tanhelmet]

How about a simple non-chassis, no frills g19 sized frame that takes g26 frame. G43s,G48s ,in my opinion suck. How about an OZ9 "Bravo" for Gen 4/5 slides ?

[@peepeepoopoo42069]

You know you can put a G19 slide on a G26 already, right? You'll have a gap at the front, but companies make parts to cover that. You could also just throw a G19 barrel in a G26 slide if you wanted more velocity from your 9mm with the smaller frame height of the G26. Or cut down your G19 frame. There's plenty of solutions for your issue already, just none standard from factory.

[@WhitmanBarton-d5w]

Wilderman Cliffs

[@recmod148]

I think their best bet would be the xmacro mags. 99% of the people I know who ccw carry a macro right now, and some even have an oz9, so it would make sense so they can get the smaller version.

[@recmod148]

I carry a xmacro, and have a Zev on my gun belt. I’d arguable get rid of my xmacro all together if they picked the xmacro mags

[@printingwithpeek4897]

​@@recmod148completely agree. Sheild Arms is on their 3rd generation magazine and they still suck. The XMacro mags have been good to go since day one.

[@hansolo8263]

I'll buy if they are ported

[@Cmoth040]

If the grip sections are modular, why not make a grip for the various magazines? I already have G43/43X mags. I could just buy the grip module for that magazine. If someone else is already in the P365 ecosystem, they lose nothing. They just buy the module for those magazines. I don't see the problem, only a win.

[@printingwithpeek4897]

That's what they're gonna do.

[@search4wizdom]

🔥🔥🔥

[@ComicConBooBoo]

id rather see a modular magazine grip where you can switch to glock or sig mags with a small grip change

[@ChrisJames-i1r]

Glock's mag is obsolete. I have a 43X MOS in the safe, and that's where it stays. I carry my Hellcat. I'm chagrined that Glock didn't update their magazine to get 50% more capacity. They're going to have to capitulate to the future eventually.

[@robertm8401]

Try the PSA Mags, you may like em.

[@ChrisJames-i1r]

I got really excited about those, but all of the review videos I've watched show the mags to be problematic and not 100% reliable. I don't need 15 round range mags, I want 15 round carry mags, and they must be 100%. The hellcat is working for me. Thanks for the advice, though.@@robertm8401

[@Jrock628]

​@@robertm8401 i vouch put 1k round threw mines no issues

[@waritpaiboon3440]

Waiting from thailand.🎉

[@JohnnyJTav]

James... Any problems with your gun this year?😁

[@gabrielhajjar]

Why not just have different lowers for different mags?

[@jamesheath418]

I love how he just puts it in his waistband. Glad i didn’t touch it after him. Lol

[@UltimateEnd0]

I'd touch it, furiously smell my hand, and never wash it.

[@Mike-Abrams]

Listen to James and quickly offer a shorter grip that takes P365 mags. Give me that railed, optics ready, slim G26 I've always wanted. I don't trust other operating systems pointed at my junk, and want something that can accept the Tau Striker Control Device like my G43.

[@SOTOROCKS63]

Who’s rifles behind you..Zev as well ? 🤔

[@Gregandbrandi]

Why not ambi controls?

[@printingwithpeek4897]

Because a 43x isn't ambi. Come on man.

[@atomicsmith]

Why wouldn’t you just buy a P365 that’s already modular, has a better trigger, and been thoroughly tested?

[@atomicsmith]

…Also half the price.

[@tomcollins2679]

Plus the p365 never in stock raider will be coming out