How Strong is Katakuri Actually??? (the strongest commander?)

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[@nikjovan4816]

Thanks for making this video with a more balanced perspective. To once again be formidable, Katakuri needs to learn how to use Advanced Conquerors Haki. That would give him an overall buff to speed, durability, and, most importantly, AP to get him past guys like King, Sanji, and Marco, and at least into that current Law and Zoro tier. Maybe even beyond because his kit is so strong.

[@roronoaDzoro1111]

kat ain't neva surpassing zoro and law

[@nikjovan4816]

@roronoaDzoro1111 If gets ACoC he could at least get to the level of current Zoro or Law. ACoC is a big boost in all stats. And stats are where Katakuri is lacking. He has all the tools already. A very strong DF, future sight, very strong Armament Haki with his edged Mochi, mastery over basic Conquerors, a powerful weapon, great fighting skill, high IQ. If you make him considerably faster + future sight, a lot more durable and hit a lot harder he could be very powerful again. But I am talking about his upper limit here.

[@Xenonital]

gang, the most recent iteration we seen of katakuri is him getting punched by oven and bleeding.

[@ceerodadon2566]

Oven was never weak??!

[@broggy52]

Oven being confirmed the physically strongest of the family behind big mom, yes

[@almy-qy1lf]

Queen was bled by a slap by Chopper.

[@Holeinshoo]

​@@broggy52 When/where was this confirmed? Not criticizing your statement, I just must have missed this somewhere and would love to go back and check it out LOL

[@broggy52]

@@Holeinshoo i think an sbs or databook

[@CodemanDBZ]

slightly above jack… and even then it’s mostly only because of hax

[@almy-qy1lf]

Katakuri > Queen

[@CodemanDBZ]

@ nah

[@Noogiez]

nah not slightly jack is gettin mid-high diffed

[@CodemanDBZ]

@@Noogiez katakuri just doesn’t hit hard. And his stamina is worse than jacks

[@philemonkwakye5031]

@@Noogiezhe extreme diffing fight with jack💀 whether win or lose he has terrible dura

[@imawarrior4878]

Bros playing a carti beat in the background 🔥

[@alifputrawan9565]

Now this scaling is more accurate.

[@zoebrennan799]

lol I think people take the stuff too seriously anyways I’ve been a fan for 30 years. It’s it’s fine to have bad takes in fact that’s also fun to talk about so I hope no one gave you too much crap everyone’s allowed to have a opinion.

[@TheTyrrell12345]

Sorry but one thing I gotta point out. Snake man speed isn’t based on his physical capabilities. It’s his stretching that is fast. That is purely devil fruit advancement and training in udon (non devil fruit training) most likely did not improve this speed. At best you can argue his stronger armament made it faster because it utilizes armament and devil fruit. Acoc increasing the speed you can have that I don’t know. I just don’t think it’s fair to arbitrarily increase luffys snake man speed to the point of making katakuris speed seem insignificant. Kat is lacking in a lot of things but speed is not one of them, his speed and his stamina are very impressive (considering how many attacks he dished out) So don’t use an unquantifiable speed increase to downplay katakuri. Arguing someone like zoro, would be fast enough to close the future sight gap is misinformation considering kaido could NOT react to luffy at all without future sight. His new snake man would have to DWARF his old one in speed to make this even remotely accurate. My stance: Oda never truly intended to emphasize a massive speed increase in luffys stretching , the speed aspect is relatively the same. Also snake man gets faster the more it shifts direction (or stretches) Katakuri handled it ALL.. people are scared to give Kat his rightful speed because they know nobody would be able to hit him.. but that’s his whole thing. He’s not putting anyone like zoro down because his attacks are too weak and his attack speed isn’t comparable to his reaction/dodging. He always managed to hit luffy by closing the distance before luffy could retract his arms. Even the donut speed, luffy catches up to him multiple times, he just dodges again. Katakuri can be tagged via a counter attack, (he’s never been seen dodging while attacking) but on guard I doubt many people can tag him. It’s just the truth. So can zoro win? Yes, but not because he dwarfs katakuri in speed… it would be a long long drawn out fight and zoro would have to land a counter attack.. which he would.

[@michaeldorsey9231]

“ Snake man speed isn’t based on his physical capabilities. It’s his stretching that is fast. That is purely devil fruit advancement and training in udon (non devil fruit training) most likely did not improve this speed.” Luffy’s only devil fruit abilities before awakening is that his body is rubber, and that’s it. However fast he can stretch in base, G2, and Snakeman is still contingent on his physical abilities, and how much of an amp the latter 2 would be on top of that base speed.

[@michaeldorsey9231]

“ I just don’t think it’s fair to arbitrarily increase luffys snake man speed to the point of making katakuris speed seem insignificant.” What you think is fair doesn’t matter, what matters is what’s shown in story. Base rooftop Luffy bare minimum is as fast/though likely faster than his Whole Cake Snakeman self, as at least with his ACOC amp he was doing at least as well as his Boundman self with FS. Luffy then still has Snakeman on top of that, which is at least a perception blitz difference faster than his base self (ie, Snakeman is at least as great a speed amp as Boundman which could perception blitz a Doffy who could match G2). Apply that on top of the Whole Cake scaling, and the Snakeman that was outspeeding Kaido would be a perception blitz difference (ie at least 10x faster, possibly higher based on calcs) faster than Whole Cake Snakeman and Katakuri.

[@GLOCKTOBER]

In simple terms Why wouldn't training increase the speed of his stretching? Is Luffy's stretching always that fast even when he first ate the fruit. Obviously not. It’s also clearly not as fast in Boundman as it is in Snakeman.

[@edwardlewis4724]

​@michaeldorsey9231 There's actually no evidence gear fourth is faster than gears second. They both tag doffy and base luffy hit a katakuri not using future sight. Base Kaido proved be was faster than bound man. (Which katakuri already proved he could be) How much faster is hybrid kaido? Well that gets into a speed loop base kaido was matching big mom's attack speed in her base and big mom matched kaido's attack speed via conquest of the sea. Either base big mom was holding back against base kaido to an unquantifiable amount or there is *no* increase in speed between base and hybrid kaido. Either way there is no way to prove the claim that luffy got faster. Also show me any source that states arment haki increases speed (you won't)

[@michaeldorsey9231]

Really appreciate seeing further elaboration on this topic, this has been about where I’ve had Kat for a while now. Only thing I might contest is whether Kat could keep up with the roof top cast in speed (ie, while I agree FS is a huge speed buff for Kat and Kaido that wouldn’t necessarily translate 1 to 1 to Luffy as an amp, so whether that would have allowed him to dodge Kaido in Kuri is unquantifiable at best), but other than that, great coverage.

[@bicepmonke5151]

Just because powercreep happened doesnt mean Kat is any less than first commander level. Look at crocomom, who lost to alabasta luffy

[@michaeldorsey9231]

That really just means that Croc got stronger offscreen between arcs, not that his Alabasta self is remotely as strong as his Marineford self. Kat could get a similar amp in the future, but as that hasn’t happened yet we really can’t say how much stronger he got after Whole Cake.

[@kingrippzard2027]

I mean sure but then we are really stretching how wide first commander level is when he gets slapped by King

[@MicaW4VE]

​@@kingrippzard2027king was getting slapped around by marco, getting carried by lunarian genes

[@kingrippzard2027]

@ and? Still scales above rooftop Zoro who scales above Kat

[@MicaW4VE]

@@kingrippzard2027 rooftop zoro only scales above kat in AP, that's it, and AP hardly matters in fights where both sides use deadly weapons capable of one shotting each other.

[@AhmedHussain-ju6xd]

Killer victim

[@Noogiez]

katakuri speedblitzes

[@AhmedHussain-ju6xd]

​@@Noogiezkiller co-ordinated attacks with rooftop zoro. Reacted to many of kaidos attacks. Any rooftop character is faster than geat 4 luffy at the start of wano. Kat got power cliffed hard. He's prolly gonna be stronger when he shows back up though

[@JoJo_Joestah]

Hell yeahhh Katakuri is the strongest YC1 !!! (Jimbe victim)

[@adarshav4609]

Dude Zoro can take him down in one ACOC attack 😂

[@extremeteam4849]

i don't know why characters in one piece that has the power to be strong but stay weak ( katakuri, dofy). i hope katakuri comes back in the story with advanced Armament Haki or something like that also your videos are awesome dude keep up the good work

[@MicaW4VE]

Katakuri isn't weak. The only people he's weak to are the same people everyone's weak to

[@extremeteam4849]

@MicaW4VE I know he's strong, but compared to the top tears, he's trash. I wish he was stronger

[@MicaW4VE]

@@extremeteam4849 no commander is a top tier so kat is in the same bracket of strength as everyone else that's below yonkos and admirals

[@extremeteam4849]

@@MicaW4VE I agree

[@chonkbonk-ue4uh]

3:58 FIRE BACKGROUND MUSIC!!!

[@Hawkeye-Y]

"King Queen Jack 3 tap kat "full of jokes Jack dont even have dressrosa G4 ap Queen and Dressrosa G4 ap is debatble stop tryna drop bombs on Kat.

[@GLOCKTOBER]

proof?

[@Hawkeye-Y]

​​@@GLOCKTOBERLuffy punched doffy with Kong gun it sent him flying from his castle all the way to dressrosa town His king Kong gun Lifted Large parts of dressrosa from the impact of doffys landing>Any jack AP feats U cannot call that 2nd one DC cuz it's destruction caused by punching someone else For Queen it's very debatle cuz he headbutted Bigmom and ye Kat blocked G4 KongGun and this is a stronger Luffy Right And Queen was complaining about Marcos kick

[@GLOCKTOBER]

@Hawkeye-Y How is it not a DC feat. I guess by that logic Dressrosa Luffy is stronger than Big Mom or Kaido cause they haven't done anything that destructive lol. and the last sentece is just you assuming Marcos kick is weaker than G4 Dressrosa.

[@Hawkeye-Y]

@@GLOCKTOBER Fair,But I'd still argue it ain't DC jack has never hit that hard the whole point

[@Chillersnowman]

My King is back❤

[@Kryss_collects]

bro a chopper victem

[@GLOCKTOBER]

no

[@adarshav4609]

​@@GLOCKTOBER one zoros attack like bird dance or lion song will end katakuri 😂

[@JaireGordon]

​@@GLOCKTOBER is he as fast as king with flames off or on ?

[@MicaW4VE]

​@@adarshav4609ok? One mole drill atk kills zoro as well 🗿

[@adarshav4609]

@@MicaW4VE Zoro uses swords he can potentially block katakuris punches, mole drill, mochi bullets with ease i don't think katakuri has any potential weapon or defence to block Zoro ACOC attack.

[@Eldenbrosunite]

The Goat, Best One Piece boy, the fucking goat. Absolute best dough boy in all of anime. Love this wigga.

[@brandonthompson6504]

Ayeeeeeee finally I fw bro

[@ΓιωργοςΦραγκιαδακης-μ1ζ]

He IS older than all of the current Gen of Yonko. Without the fire element being a primaey weakness of his , he is not to be mess around at all.

[@stamzthehuman897]

Reading comprehension went from 0 to 1 percent

[@joetem9909]

I remember debating with you like a year ago on that kat vid :skull:

[@Hawkeye-Y]

How was the fight going to be the same if Katakuri didn't stab himself. i thought ud do justice 🤦

[@Hawkeye-Y]

Kat was already beating luffys ass ,and besides that Kat Won cuz he lost the will to fight he let Luffy win His G4 was finished, he got scared when Kat stood up again

[@GLOCKTOBER]

"If Flampe was never there, the fight would've gone the exact same." emphasis on Flampe. I truly don't know how you misinterpreted that

[@randomgamer625]

0:03 lol 😂

[@SM1LE2006]

Finally some love to katakuri

[@Travis-r3l]

You should make a vid about Doughnut eater vs doughnut

[@ManWithTheBillionBerryBounty]

Put some respect on my name🍩😤

[@Travis-r3l]

Doughnut man

[@marqusmedina5983]

6:51 katakuri should scale to this with awakening

[@DCFIRE-y1h]

The video is pretty good and I love it, but can you make a video on how strong usoop is.

[@almy-qy1lf]

The last point you made about Big Mom is meh. Queen was bold enough to attack Linlin only before she regained her memory. The minute she remembered and started exuding her haki/threatenign aura, Queen was literally paralyzed in fear. He assumed he was gonna die right then and there and couldn't move. You forgot about that, didn't you ? And then, all those people attacked Big Mom, but there's no reason to think they could ever put her down, as in K.O her. Big Mom was an endurance monster. Until she fell into the magma, no attack K.O'd her. In fact, I don't even recall her panting hard or anything. She kept eating those attacks like they were nothing. It makes sense that her own children would believe that there was nothing they could do to stop her. Big Mom, Kaido, Whitebeard (prime WB at least) were tremendously stronger than their crewmen, and to them looked pretty much invincible.

[@GLOCKTOBER]

No I didn't forget about that because the fact is that Queen has the gull to attack BM by himself whereas Kat and the entirety of the Big Mom Pirates literally don't even touch her. And everyone in these situations knows how strong she is “but there's no reason to think they could ever put her down” Even though Queen tried to do it and then she was knocked out. 😂😂

[@michaeldorsey9231]

“ And then, all those people attacked Big Mom, but there's no reason to think they could ever put her down, as in K.O her.” They don’t need to KO her to prove that they scale higher than Kat, they just need to injure her to a greater degree than Kat provably can. Simply put, I don’t see Kat scaling to a degree that he could break Big Mom’s bones like Law and Kid did.

[@almy-qy1lf]

@@GLOCKTOBER why would they jump on their mom and captain ? Besides, they know her far better than Queen, so it makes sense that they would know it's useless to try and stop her. I mean Ulti too was pretty bold, against Big Mom. Said she'd beat her up, and whatnot. Does that make Ulti stronger than Katakuri, in contradcition to your own video? . God, your comprehension of the events in the manga is appalling... Queen never K.O'd Big Mom. She fell asleep . As evidenced by the fact she immediately started snoring. That doesn't happen when you're knocked out. Queen's attack simply made her regain her memory. In the anime, minutes elapsed between the attack, and Big Mom collapsing. Minutes during which she had time to ask questions, make plenty of full sentences, and scare Queen shitless. Queen is fodder to Big Mom, who knocked him out in two random, non haki hits earlier. If Law and Kidd at their best and in quick succession of their most powerful attacks couldn't knock out Big Mom, it's not a damn Brachio Bomber, of all attacks, that could. Be serious for a minute. lmao

[@GLOCKTOBER]

@@almy-qy1lf They would jump their mom because it’s the only way they can save their nation and many of them don't even like her anyway. They don't do it when they have their entire crew yet Queen has the confidence to at least sneak attack her, despite knowing how strong she is. I never said that any of those points at the end of the video make a character stronger than Kat. I was just pointing out the fact that many of them have better feats in different areas which makes Katakuri look bad. And regardless of whether or not it was a knock out doesn't really matter, as he still does damage which apparently tired her out as there was no indication of her being like that before. Then you brought up the anime which is not canon. (if it is then all of these characters are definitely stronger than Katakuri) I’m not using any of these feats to say these characters are close to BM, but in comparison to Katakuri. You brought up Law and Kid who fought a stronger version of Big Mom, which only proves my point more.

[@almy-qy1lf]

​@@GLOCKTOBER Queen doesn't know her strength as well as her own children do, and the fact remains that when she regained her memory, he was absolutely terrified and assumed he was gonna die. That whole thing about how courageaous some Beast Pirates were in front of BM is meaningless, since you admit yourself that Katakuri is stronger than Ulti. Ulti was also challenging Big Mom. Heck, Brook, Robin and Franky were pretty bold too against Big Mom.

[@philemonkwakye5031]

And not just that kat legit turned his trident into a drill to attack luffy he didnt drill himself

[@BlooNugget]

i would argue that kaido is not blitzing kat's future sight as easy as he did against luffy. kat seems to have a mastery on future sight considering he was spamming it the whole arc. luffy had only just learned it and is simply not going to be able to see as far into the future as kat off just learning it so that really isn't a comparison you can use

[@GLOCKTOBER]

Please read 2:11

[@BlooNugget]

@@GLOCKTOBER yup completely missed that

[@Salalazai]

Bro rly lied to grab attention 😂 w vid tho

[@Holeinshoo]

Valid take right now, though we know if he comes back he's gonna get upscaled by Oda 😂

[@2forLulu]

banger vid hopefully your take on dofis strength also changed lmaoo

[@ogata100nosuke]

Thematically every Yonko commander beat katakuri, oda is showing katakuri was big fish in small pond

[@benjamintafari7047]

Katatakuri is MURKING queen bruh. My opinion.

[@EGG_YES]

donut man strong but not strong as gummy man, understood

[@Fnafmaster1359]

Cmon shadx this title is making me scared fraudakuri can’t be the strongest!

[@Alionepiece-z3p]

What is katakuri ranking know (the 50 strongest one piece character)?

[@alexquinn6667]

Even though Kat isn't strong, he is but compared to the present cast though, its a different story. At least Kat has a good backstory, not all bad, and even has a gentleman side which is stabbing himself to make things fair which most villains won't do.

[@Re-Bourne]

3 tap katakuri? I'm sorry but this is unnecessary downplay Luffy with gear 4 literally still got overwhelmed by katakuri and didn't do anything to him really and went snake man and was still losing the fight you say other people are just "meat riding" but no you just have a shitty agenda buddy 💀 and him not having advanced armament doesn't mean he isn't good at damaging what sense is that your basically calling doffy weak when in reality we all know he was far from weak.

[@GLOCKTOBER]

Whos we 😭😭 You’re saying Kat was overwhelming G4 when that is literally the opposite of what happened I put the pages on screen for a reason🤣🤣

[@Re-Bourne]

@@GLOCKTOBER I get what your saying but than he literally had to use snakeman after so was g4 really enough? Obviously not because even snakeman was still struggling a lot you misunderstood completely what I'm saying

[@GLOCKTOBER]

@@Re-Bourne He uses Snakeman for speed not power. I probably should’ve made this more clear but Snakeman is nowhere near Boundman in terms of AP. We can see that only one SM Luffy attack ever takes Kat off his feet and even so he easily recovered from it. Whereas BM was slamming him through walls and Kats back almost touches the ground. Kat could easily block a named attack from SM without using Edged Mochi, yet the exact opposite happens with boundman We can even see in the final phase of the fight SM is still hurting from clashing with Kats Haki, like he was in base. Boundman never has this issue and Luffy states Boundman will not have said issue like his base form did.

[@entertainmentwithindian69]

BigMom whole cake >>>>>bigMom Wano It's kinda stupid 😅 to Say But IT'S Oda mistake Imagine Big MOM at the Start of the arc Say Life or Slave Then power up her self 200% Also using with advance coq Or she could make Onigasima skull to life

[@shaquillesommerville4060]

That man is a WhoWho/Jack vitcim.

[@hushsilence8932]

Accurate

[@abdiiyow2644]

Finally

[@bovichdiris1265]

It is not like big mom can use life or stay to kill 95% of her crue instantly?

[@roronoaDzoro1111]

why you got my glorious king running from kat?? smh 1 slash from enma and he gone be in the afterlife lol

[@entertainmentwithindian69]

WHAT IF BIGMOM AND THEIR CREW NEVER BE ON WANO DID LUFFY AND LAW , KID CAN BEAT KAIDO WITHOUT LUFFY G5 BUT AWAKEN LAW AND KID

[@coronbrown9238]

I truly believe. Katakuri is not too far behind Benn. He’s of the higher YC1 tier

[@RimuruTempest-wl1ru]

He's actually on the lower tier of YC1 probably the weakest

[@adarshav4609]

@@coronbrown9238 can kat scratch kings defences in the first place then we can talk about kats level wether he is top YC1 or not 🤡

[@coronbrown9238]

Yes I do believe. Kat scales pretty high. And cause it took Luffy three days in prison. To fully clear!!!! Not just stalemate. Clear!!!! Kat isn’t too far behind that. Plus I’ll double down. And say Kat would have an easier time with king the zoro did

[@coronbrown9238]

For me. It goes Mihawk Benn Kat Shiryuu/Zoro Sanji/King/Marco

[@adarshav4609]

@@coronbrown9238 stop all the bullshit and just tell me how can kat break kings defence ?? 1) No ryou 2) No advance conquerors 3) He can't hold the king in his mochi like luffy because the king can use fire. 4) No attack power to even scratch kings defence How ???? And Zoro AT is over the sky now even one ACOC will kat. Putting kat over the king and Zoro is the biggest cap ever 🤣

[@almy-qy1lf]

Everyone talks about how FS isn't insurmountable, by mentioning how Kaido was considered too fast even by Luffy using FS... But what they fail to consider, is that Thunder Bagua is an extremely fast attack. I'm not sure any Beast Pirate has anything comparable to when Kaido uses it. It could be even faster than flame-off King. Kaido blitzed even G5 Luffy with variations of it. I'm not sure G5 would be blitzed by King.

[@michaeldorsey9231]

“ But what they fail to consider, is that Thunder Bagua is an extremely fast attack” But, that’s the entire point when they argue that FS isn’t insurmountable; that any “fast attack” relative to the FS user can still tag them.

[@GLOCKTOBER]

There's no evidence for Thunder Bagua being any faster than Kaido’s regular speed. mentioning the variations doesn't work as those were performed by a stronger version of Kaido. If it is faster he should still have the reaction and perception speed to match the speed of Thunder Bagua, yet the rooftop fighters outspeed him multiple times.

[@almy-qy1lf]

@@GLOCKTOBER lmao There's no evidence for TB being particularly fast ? I thought your take was mediocre, but damn... When he managed to barely dodge another clean hit, Luffy literally said "Dangit, I was reading the future and verything! It's so fast" "IT" being the attack, Thunder Bagua. And did you watch the first Luffy vs Kaido encounter in anime only ? Because in the manga, it was pretty clear that it was a speed blitz, Luffy had no time to react to it at all. Almost every time someone used Thunder Bagua or variations of it, someone was blitzed. Only two people were able to dodge or react to a Thunder Bagua : Luffy and Yamato. No one else did. Law got blitzed, even though Kaido told him that he was coming towards him. We have an attack that keeps blitzing people, that a FS user barely evades besides reading the future the whole time, and you think it's not particularly fast ? Btw, that same Law was able to calmly teleport away Luffy and Zoro, when Kaido tried to attack them normally. But you think Kaido is always as fast as when he uses a Thunder Bagua ? This gotta be bad faith, you can't be that delusional... Kaido was careless, and even literally let people attack him, in early rooftop. You thought they were blitzing him the whole time ? Whn Law, Kidd andLuffy charged at him, and they landed hits, you thought they were actually outspeeding him? Jesus Christ...

[@GLOCKTOBER]

@@almy-qy1lf What I meant to say is that it is not as fast as you are suggesting. Even when it is faster than his normal attacks it still scales to whatever version of Kaido that is using it. There's no evidence to say TB is so fast that it makes an insane difference or that it allows characters to scale above a certain version of Kaido just because they react to it. Hybrid Kaido is literally shown to be faster than anything before yet Luffy and Zoro still outspeed him.

[@almy-qy1lf]

@@michaeldorsey9231 you're missing the point. Yes, speed CAN still be great enough to still tag a FS user, but you can't assume anyone WILL be able to tag said FS user. Again, Thunder Bagua is particularly fast. You have to prove the enemy has comparable speed, to make the argument that he could tag a FS-using Luffy, or Katakuri.

[@Firegator-pf5my]

Kat is a strange one. He looks cool and has a lot of respect for his enemies but isn’t as strong as he is said to be. He isn’t the weakest commander tho. He is stronger than croc, and maybe king. It can’t really be said for king and Kat. But his conq. Is not even that good compared to others, his speed is okay, his strength is okay, he is just mostly notable for his devil fruit skill and his observation haki. Of course he’s gotten stronger but how much? We’re not really sure

[@RimuruTempest-wl1ru]

Kat is not stronger than king just because he has future sight doesn't mean he can beat king.. I doubt he can even damage king

[@Firegator-pf5my]

@RimiruTempest-wl1ru damage is a bit difficult for Kat if Ima be honest. King is very durable but Kat is really to me on a Sanji level , actually Sanji probably can beat him, but king is not to me stronger than Kat and that’s my opinion and we really can’t say anything unless oda confirms it

[@edwardlewis4724]

So from 1 to 100 how much was kizaru holding back on egghead and why?

[@DaKing540]

Katakuri can’t even hurt king lmao

[@waldimort453]

Katakuri ist zwischen King und Queen.

[@hmm-rx1xg]

a year and a half lol😭🤣

[@ljwise7915]

Tbh with you Kat gave up he definitely beat luffy but I think he would have a high diff fight with queen losing that fight to queen also

[@nonchalantblack]

ngl i can tolerate moderate clickbait where something can be inferred through the title but the video doesn’t fully cover it but you legit state “ (the strongest commander) “ then proceed to immediately say he isn’t… that’s not even clickbait anymore it’s just lying 😭😭 first of my dislikes in a while ngl

[@Mr.BeefwithChixken]

Katekuri vs. Hit from Dragon Ball Super

[@GLOCKTOBER]

no

[@almy-qy1lf]

Anyway... It's all cute, but at the end of the day, Oda doesn't roll like that. He doesn't make former tough opponents look useless, and besides, plot dictates that Luffy wins, so he'll win if he has to. You can't use rigid power scaling logic on Luffy's opponents, because most of them HAVE to lose. Like a Black hole, the power scaling space bends around Luffy. lol The same Crocodile beaten by Alabasta Luffy was able to clash with Mihawk. And no, the assumption that characters go on training sessions to still look strong when they reappear is headcanon. Unless they show up with brand new techniaues (like Lucci and Kaku) we cannot assume that they had training sessions that made them stronger than they were. So when Katakuri shows up again, IF he seems able to hang with some of the best YC1 level characters, without any additional powers, I don't wanna hear the assumption that he trained or anything. I want everyone to accept that they were wrong the whole time.

[@michaeldorsey9231]

“ The same Crocodile beaten by Alabasta Luffy was able to clash with Mihawk” 1) regardless of whether or not offscreen training is headcanon, the fact is that this simply means that Alabasta Croc is nowhere near as strong as his Marineford self. If you think Croc can lose in stats to base Luffy, and then somehow “match” a guy who was trouncing a much stronger variant of Luffy without any offscreen buffs, then you’re simply not scaling sensibly. 2) the most Croc did on panel was divert Mihawk’s sword off course (unlike the anime where Croc swung to the opposite direction of Mihawk’s sword, in the manga he swung in the same direction), and from utilizing a sneak attack. While I do think Croc got stronger during his time in prison, people tend to overstate his feats in Marineford. Bottom line, Kat could be relevant/stronger later, but any speculation as to how much stronger he’ll be is just that.

[@GLOCKTOBER]

ah yes "Oda doesn't care about your interpretation he cares about mine" a classic. In fact I think Foxy is gonna come back in the final war and fight a gods knight LOL

[@almy-qy1lf]

​@@GLOCKTOBER turn your brain on, please, and leave emotion at the door. I'm literally sayng Oda doesn't go by our little power scaling logic, either yours or mine. Your silly analogy about Foxy would make sense, if I argued that Katakuri was gonna come back, and shine against someone who should be way above his paygrade. I didn't. I literally said "hang with some of the best YC1 level characters". Do better.

[@almy-qy1lf]

​@@michaeldorsey9231 1) it's not about how I scale, I'm saying Oda's storytelling doesn't always abide by all that seemingly logical power scaling arguments. And to me it kinda makes sense, because power scalers too often rely on a few gratuitous or unrealistic assumptions. Like for example the notion that you can always rank three characters from strongest to weakest, or the notion that people get EXPONENTIALLY stronger, even if it's just one particular hack that made them able to overcome a former limit. Oda made it clear that matchup mattered a lot, but for some reason, people forget that during Wano. 2) from both manga, anime, non-canon material, Croc is portrayed as way stronger than one would assume, based on his earlier loss against Luffy, both before and after fighting Luffy, and without showing any new technique. For example, from lore, he is supposed to have fought Douglas Bullet after Bullet left the Roger pirates. He also fought Whitebeard at some point, when WB was in much greater condition...and although Croc lost, he still thought he had a chance of taking down the reputed strongest man in the world. All that to say, Oda doesn't seem to share the same rigidity that most power scalers have. And contrary to what a lot of people say about that, I personally find that more realistic. In real life, just because fighter A beats fighter B relatively easily, and fighter B does the same with fighter C, it doesn't guarantee that fighter A will totally destroy fighter C. Sometimes, that's what happens. But not always. Different fighters have different strengths and weaknesses. They have good and bad days. Mental state matters a lot, and can be the force behind great upsets. To me, that corresponds to Oda giving will a tremendous importance, in One Piece. Contrast all that with ppower scalers , who assume that the outcome of one fight tells us everything we need to know about a fighter.

[@GLOCKTOBER]

Then why’d you engage in “silly powerscaling” in your other two comments but instead of backing up those points you coped saying the whole system doesn’t work? At least be consistent. 😔😔😔

[@whateverworks8974]

Agenda piece is the best

[@adarshav4609]

Zoros one acoc attack will end katakuri 😂

[@Rishabh149]

Katakuri is overrated af and his fans think he can even beat Admirals

[@selfimprovement5873]

Why can't he beat an Admiral?

[@Арлан-ы6ч]

​@@selfimprovement5873Because they are several times stronger than him.

[@JoJo_Joestah]

​@@selfimprovement5873 because any admiral walk diffs him

[@BlooNugget]

using king as a comparison is just disingenuous and doesn't really make sense. matchups are too important in one piece and king has a level of durability higher than a lot of top tiers, someone like zoro is always going to have more lethal attacks than any other character with a different fighting style simply because he uses swords, yet king is only taking dmg from his advance conq attacks. realistically base luffy in whole cake is still going to dmg anyone who doesn't have enhanced durability, even then it depends how strong. saying whole cake luffy is doing less dmg than the scabbards just cause they were able to pierce kaido is mind boggling and i hope im misunderstanding that sentence.

[@GLOCKTOBER]

Zoro was cutting King when he did not have special durability on. In fact thats the only times he damaged King, yet King still took all of those slashes that were imbued with Advanced Conquerors. Even so as I said, Kat wields a sharp object as well, which gives him an attack boost. And no you are not misunderstanding that sentence because Luffy in his strongest form with all of his strongest attacks doesn’t even draw blood from Kaido at the start of Wano. But the Scabbard’s are able to pierce him and even when you take them out of the equation Luffys first attack on the roof was able to make Kaido bleed.

[@BlooNugget]

@@GLOCKTOBER you could say they have more attack potency, but I wouldn't say they are above anyone that fought on the roof, not even kidd

[@brickbehindthescreen]

He also had advanced ardement haki but Like the shit version

[@ChristDTimix]

He doesn't have advance armament, it's just really strong armament

[@kingrippzard2027]

It’s not advanced, it’s just normal armament that is stronger than WCI Luffys

[@blankblank6214]

Na kats a god ussop victim

[@nor1_sama]

Kidd victim