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[@VentiChristopher]

The origin of Drill Sergeants in the US Army and their training methods goes all the way back to Baron Frederick Wilhelm Von Steuben in the American Revolution. He was known for shouting and cursing the Continental Army into a disciplined and efficient fighting force. Very interesting character! Look him up.

[@corycody6967]

Of course all his shouting and cursing was in German and he had a translator that had to repeat it to all of the Americans. LOL!

[@musicaleuphoria8699]

@@corycody6967 Who knew a Prussian baron deep in gambling debt in Europe would make the original example of U.S military hard ass instructor.

[@LogicalNiko]

Basically the Baron was a master in army training an operations. He had spent most of his youth in the Prussian Army fighting from the age of 17 and had rose in skill in both the War of Austrian Succession and the Seven Year War. After he went to through to going through the King's elite officer training academy. Fortunately for the United States there were politics involved and his being such a distinguished officer caught the attention of someone else going after the same accolades with better connections. So he got discharged from the Army at 33 years old. He eventually found his way to Ben Franklin, who was the guy with connections absolutely everywhere, and got to George Washington. George gave him a position as Inspector General with the rank of Major General. Von Steuben was appalled at US readiness and put a lot of the military training systems in place. He even wrote the literal book on US Army training, "Regulations for the Order and Discipline of the Troops of the United States" which many of the practices in this book have direct links to the regulations in all United States military services today. And a very large amount of countries then based their regulations on US practices, making his work at the basis of a large part of the world's army training.

[@BM-hb2mr]

Some of us joined because we loved our country.

[@bugvswindshield]

huussah! both grandpa's WW2, uncle and dad Vietnam, brother navy, me usmc resv. and right now I have a nephew in the navy. All of us volunteered.

[@richardwilliams6256]

absolutely, much respect

[@3112dave3112]

BZ! Same here my friend!

[@Flernaffinor]

Yeah, I knew a lot of dudes (and women) who were not from poor families when I served. I was a middle class kid myself.

[@michaelvincent4280]

They look do damned sharp marching through the streets. The scene when they were burning the town, and the 54th were marching away, you see the men rolling the Flags up: this was to hide those banners (which they treated as a living thing back then) from the shame of what they just had to go through. I was so impressed they put that tiny detail in this film.

[@Svensk7119]

I noted this as well. A bravo-worthy detail.

[@Docmananoff]

Actually, I have a bit more respect for the “Thomas” character for being the first volunteer seeing as though he was (compared to the rest) “free” and could have possibly sat it out while all the rest of them risked their lives in the war.

[@dirtygrunt]

The drill sergeant in the movie was not a former overseer but he was an Irish immigrant. At the time they were not fond of the runaways because they were the main competition for the low paying jobs that the Irish immigrants depended on. Also boyo was not a derisive term like you're thinking as in calling him boy but it was a common term used to reference any person you didn't know well or by name.

[@kenkencat]

@dirtygrunt, good explanation. Mr Boyd needs to watch Full Metal Jacket to get a better understanding of the differences between drill sergeants and overseers.

[@hackerx7329]

@@kenkencat "The Marines don't have any race problems. They treat everybody like they're black." - General Daniel "Chappie" James. He was the first black man to make it all the way up to the rank of 4 star general so I believe he earn the right and had the first hand experience to make that statement.

[@dirtygrunt]

@@kenkencat he's actually already done a reaction to it

[@slappyslapstick4045]

​@@hackerx7329Nope

[@jeffwilliams2828]

Irish also flocked in droves to acquire overseer jobs in the south and were some of the first police officers who’s only authority was enforcing class and racial segregation in cities like New York.

[@Dystopia1111]

Glory varies on historical accuracy, but is still probably the best US Civil War film ever made. The absolute brutality of the fighting is made apparent in the first minutes. The battle in the opening sequence, the Battle of Antietam, is still the single bloodiest day in American history with over 22,700 killed on both sides. Although some parts are 'Hollywood history', it's still such a damn good movie. The script, performances, music, and costumes are all undeniably top notch (bonus points for Cary Elwes somehow being the only British actor to speak with a credible American accent). Side note : that's James Horner with the musical score. Aliens, Titanic, Star Trek 2 : Wrath of Khan, Krull, plenty of other greats from the 80s and 90s

[@indycarcomplainer2304]

There were 22,700 combined casualties at Antietam, about 3,600 of them were KIA.

[@Dystopia1111]

@@indycarcomplainer2304 My error, thank you for the correction.

[@justinpitcock5312]

Cary is a great actor. If you can be great in Glory and Robinhood men in tights your top shelf to me.

[@BenRollinsActor]

Use of the word "boy-o" is more Irish than overseer. It's unlikely that an overseer would be that far north. That man is just a rather typical drill sergeant.

[@musicaleuphoria8699]

That's a very general term of endearment, especially among the Irish.

[@benuticone3079]

In fairness to the memory of the real Col. Shaw I'd like to point out that the flogging scene almost certainly did not happen in real life. By the time the 54th Massachusetts Infantry was formed, flogging had been outlawed by the Union army as a means of discipline, and much as Matthew Broderick portrayed him in the film, the real Col. Shaw had a reputation for being a very proper, by the book officer. It's highly unlikely he would have ignored that rule, given how carefully he adhered to other military regulations. Fantastic as that scene was, it was almost certainly an example of artistic license.

[@Svensk7119]

This, I did not know. Thank you.

[@Svensk7119]

That arm across the chest was how they were trained to salute while under arms.

[@hobbievk5119]

Anyone who has been in the military understands exactly what the drill Sargent is doing. Is Thomas the kind of soldier you want next to you on the battlefield? Both the Sargent and Colonel Shaw know what these men will face in battle and the kind of discipline they'll need to both succeed and survive. As for the flag-bearer, it was the only way to know where your commanding officer was on a chaotic battlefield and which direction you should be moving.

[@anthonybarnes6298]

I think the flogging scene is what got Denzel the Oscar.

[@iKvetch558]

I could be wrong, but I believe that many actors refer to Denzel's moment of crying as..."the magic tear." 😎

[@richardwilliams6256]

I think most of his dialogue as well did above everyones outside of maybe Morgan Freeman

[@faceless_anbu]

I grew up in KY and hunting was a normal part of life. When I joined the Army the drill sergeant said myself and a couple of others that grew up the same way would be the hardest to teach. We joked about it in private. During rifle qualification the three of us all shot Expert. 😆

[@user-ss2ci9ms9x]

Yep. When I went through FT Benning they asked where I was from. I said Kentucky Drill Sergeant! He said that this Kentucky boy will shoot expert, but warned everyone else not to take shooting tips from me. Sure enough, I was the best shot. Good ole Kentucky windage...LOL

[@rabbit2686]

Beaufort, South Carolina's official pronunciation is Bew-fert. North Carolina has it's own Beaufort, pronounced as Bow-Fert. I assume that neither wanted to change names, so they compromised with different pronunciation. I usually hear "Beau" pronounced as "Bow" though.

[@johnlong1729]

I grew up in Beaufort SC. We were taught - in school - that the North Carolinians were not allowed to pronounce it "properly" (Bew-fort) because we were there first 🙂 (I'm sure the North Carolinians disparaged us as well!)

[@carolyn512]

Being a South Carolinian, this was a movie we watched almost every year in our school from 5th grade to 8th grade.

[@yesh3]

"Old Glory" was a nickname for the U.S. flag. Have you seen the movie "A Soldier's Story", about black men in the Army in WW2?

[@theroachden6195]

Sorry dude, Black Irish is Irish people with darker hair and eyes who were descendants of Spaniards. The Drill Sergeant is not a slave overseer, he's a drill sergeant and he trained all troops that way. Same with the whip scene. White soldiers were whipped as a form of discipline as well. Not in every regiment but it wasn't a foreign concept.

[@jamesmyers2087]

When I was a senior Warrant Officer in an Aviation Unit during the GWOT, Black History month was coming up and not much being planned for it because we were up against a looming deployment date. At a Command and Staff it was noted that we actually didn’t even have much time to observe it or have any of our NCOs to put together any presentations. So I volunteered to put together a Sergeant’s Time class if there was an NCO willing to present the material. Everyone thought it was worth trying so I just planned a History vs Hollywood of Glory for our soldiers to listen to after actually viewing the movie. The macro level observation is it’s just a well filmed movie with a great depiction of the 54th in a very epic, romanticized style even though it did depict the very tough soldier existence. Great actors all around. Where the movie falls short though is in its ability to convey a real truth of the time. And in doing so, they pretty unfairly just flip Col Shaw’s and Col Montgomery’s abolition backgrounds. Shaw, who is presented as being as dedicated an abolitionist as his parents from the start of the movie is just not true. While he’s definitely antislavery, he’s more motivated initially by preserving the Union and his view of Black People of the era is much more paternalistic. Some of the commentary in his letters “Blue Eyed Child of Fortune” is patronizingly demeaning towards the Black people he observed while studying in Europe. He initially declined taking the 54th because of his bias in thinking they could not be organized and disciplined as soldiers. Col Montgomery on the other hand is a fervent abolitionist who at one time considered trying to laugh a raid to free John Brown. And when he took command of his Black Regiment, he already had every confidence in their ability to soldier. The story that need to be told was Shaw’s soldiers time and again proving their mettle and winning him over. The other inexplicable detail of history left out of the movie was 1st Sergeant James Carney heroics which ultimately won him the MoH. How do you not depict that?

[@BenRollinsActor]

You are correct. Flogging was a standard punishment for desertion.

[@charlesmaurer6214]

If they chose to be nice, standard treatmen for going AWOL durring any war until WWII was either hanging or firing squad. Abe Lincoln did issue orders to allow him time to review executions and many were critical about the masses of pardons he issued.

[@cavtiger]

Crossing the free arm across the chest when carrying a rifle is a salute.

[@nettricegaskins1871]

There is a famous statue of the Massachusetts 54th across the street from the MA State House. I was commissioned to create an image of them for a film titled, "The Heart of New England."

[@Dularr]

The Massachusetts 54th had a very strong recruitment efforts. Well funded and well equipped.

[@dirus3142]

This film is a wonderful, powerful movie. It gets the spirit of the deeper meaning of the civil war. That said, it's still a Hollywood based on a true story film. The 54th Massachusetts was not the only colored regiment. The 54th, and 55th were raised at the same time as colored regiments. Douglas, and other abolitionist leaders went on a recruitment drive in the New England states looking for volunteers. There were no run away slaves. They wanted the best representation of free black men they could get. Thomas was closer to what they were looking for, than Trip. Black Americans served in both the Army, and Navy during the war. The scene with refusing pay is true. Shaw was berried in a mass grave as depicted in the film. The Confederates thought it was an insult. Shaw's family viewed it as a high honor to be berried with his men. Notice that all the men in the mass grave are not wearing shoes. It's a wonderful detail made by the production crew and director. The Confederate soldiers took the shoes because they were desperately needed. The soldier who held his hand to his chest was saluting Col. Shaw. That was how a soldier saluted under arms in the field back then. The last title card is also technically wrong. While Wagner did not fall in that particular campaign to take it, it did fall months later. Wagner became untenable for the south to hold and it was taken when they were withdrawing.

[@jthomp72]

The fort you were looking for the name of was Santa Elana. In reference to the raid on Darien, it did really take a day, but they didn’t march. They took steam ships from Beaufort down to Darien. Source: I was born and raised on Hilton Head. My first home (a nice condo) was next to the confederate fort on the north end of Hilton Head. Used to play on it all the time.

[@dontshanonau1335]

"Black Irish" is a term which in the context of the time describes Irish people. If you look at the English attitude towards the Irish in the 19th century, you will find claims like the Irish being descended from Spaniards and them being half African. You can look at depictions like "the king of A-Shantee" or the African-Iberian-Teutonic race chart to see that the Irish were believed to essentially be black and just not look it. That's where Irish resentment not only for Anglos but also for black people came from. They were declared to essentially be the same and thus dehumanised almost as much. The 19th century was a horrible time to be Irish as well, and not only in Ireland or England. Shop signs like "No ne**oes or Irish allowed used to be commonplace in the US till well into the 20th century, in part even till shortly before Kennedy.

[@leeannmcdermott8313]

I’m “Black Irish” and still don’t really know if there is anything truth behind all the reasons I’ve heard growing up. I had a great aunt who told me a whole story about the Spanish Inquisition. But I’m starting to think it just means if you aren’t freckled, ginger or blue eyed then you’re “Black Irish”. My grandfather was 100% Irish and he had dark brown hair, brown eyes and reddish brown skin, which is very uncommon.

[@Dularr]

​@@leeannmcdermott8313 have you done a DNA test. Black Irish refers to the decendents of the Spanish Armada. Which was wrecked and scattered by a huricane.

[@ellygoffin4200]

No Jews allowed is included in that list

[@codymcclure6464]

I usually don’t like movie reviews but I’ve been watching a ton of yours and I like your thought process throughout them. Keep posting I look forward to more fallout episode reviews. Also subscribed because it’s well deserved.

[@darkomtobia]

Shaw's father chose to let him remain in a mass grave. Apparently, he felt his son would want to be in the company of his troops.

[@Big718Tex]

Ohhh I was really looking forward to seeing your reaction when Trip grabbed the colors and yelled come on!

[@jasonrd316]

8:19 - Drill Sergents go to "drill school" and are trained to be Dril Instructors.

[@peggymiller2475]

There are 2 Beauforts, one is in North Carolina and is pronounced Bow-fort, and the one in South Carolina is pronounced Bew-fort.

[@johnlong1729]

The one in South Carolina is pronounced properly 😉

[@halcundiff6886]

Weapons had advanced, but not tactics. They still did the Napolionic tactics. Line up and fire at each other.

[@alexisrivera202]

I'm here for the retirement. Have over 17 years in so let's finish. Deployed to a war zone. Did my part. This film is phenomenal.

[@bryce253]

The consistent thing with this guy is whenever there is something that emotionally makes him feel uncomfortable or better yet FEEL something, he will immediately deflect attention to something he sees technically or historically wrong with the scene. This is a coping mechanism he uses to detach from what the scene is making him feel. He has a thing about showing anything "he interprets" as weak. He does this all the time. In doing so, he undermines the power of these scenes. I don't even get frustrated by it anymore. And he'll give you his weird trademark phrase, "Guys. I get it.". Umm...no you don't....😏.

[@charlottedrolet9000]

💯 His mind is a little old school and he's from New York. It is what it is. He doesn't play that crying on KZbin bruh. He sucks it up. His wife probably gets to see a different guy.

[@bwilliams463]

He talks a lot; I know that much.

[@bryce253]

@@charlottedrolet9000 I'm born and raised in NY and I wasn't talking about crying at all. He deflects like he doesn't even want to watch it for what it is. Someone could be talking to their dying mother in a hospital bed and he will literally start talking about how no one fluffed her pillows. 😂😂

[@charlottedrolet9000]

@@bryce253 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 IKR!!! I gotcha now.

[@curtismartin2866]

Mr. Boyd is Autistic.

[@iKvetch558]

James Horner wrote the incredible music for this film, but he also wrote the music for Field of Dreams, which also came out in 1989. But even though he absolutely should have won an Oscar for BOTH musical scores...screw the rules, he deserved to win for both...he received no Oscar that year at all...instead the stinking Academy gave it to the score for an effing Disney cartoon!! 2nd biggest ROBBERY in Academy Awards history...IMHO...after Saving Private Ryan losing to that stupid Shakespeare movie! 🤮💯 Also...oh Mr Boyd...your jokes are so funny...unless you really think that you really can "wreck the firing pin" on a percussion cap rifle? 😂 15:09

[@3112dave3112]

Not all of the people that join the military join for the reasons you outlined. Some of us, joined for love of Country and a sense of Duty. I know that’s why I joined. My parents made good money, I could have gone to a good college but I chose regular old enlisted Navy. It seems like my reasons are fewer and more far between today though. And that is just sad to me.

[@brandyjones1131]

The reviewer states that all the bloodletting and fighting were unnecessary because we should learn how to settle our problems in peace. So please elucidate us all on how the Confederacy could have been talked into staying in the union and giving up slavery. Please inform us how Hitler could have been persuaded with sweet reason to not invade over 20 other countries. Please explain what other options Ukraine had when Russia mounted a huge military invasion of that country.

[@menolikey_]

Can you even begin to imagine the civil war was about anything other than slavery?

[@Matt_D_370z]

​@@menolikey_ “A large part of [James M.] McPherson’s success is due to the fact that his sources are incredibly reliable since they originated from the actual war years instead of potentially revised, sentimentalized, or sanitized remembrances recorded years after the war. More importantly he addressed one of the most crucial concerns that dominate this type of scholarship: What made men willing to go to war, and, once there to endure it? By tackling this question, he was able to confront an imperative issue of our own generation-the soldiers personal ideology to slavery” (William B. Rogers and Terese Martin ‘A Consensus at Last: American Civil War Texts and the Topics that Dominate the College Classroom’ p. 524). “A considerable part of McPherson’s success can be contributed to the fact that he clearly conveyed the relevance of the slavery issue in regards to the cause of the war. In particular, his research on the years leading up to the war clearly demonstrated how the economic, political, and social struggles of the time were all interconnected with slavery” (William B. Rogers and Terese Martin ‘A Consensus at Last: American Civil War Texts and the Topics that Dominate the College Classroom’ p. 527). “Most of these monographs as well as McPherson’s text share one common thread; they acknowledge the significant role slavery had in the events leading up to the war as well its lasting ramifications on American society. Thus, many of these works contain little debate over war causation since they recognize that slavery was the root cause of the war” (William B. Rogers and Terese Martin ‘A Consensus at Last: American Civil War Texts and the Topics that Dominate the College Classroom’ p. 530). “Writing for the popular Civil War magazine North and South in November 2000, James M. McPherson pointed out that during the war, ‘few people in either North or South would have dissented’ from Lincoln's slavery-oriented account of the war's origins. In ten remarkably efficient pages, McPherson dismantled arguments that the war was fought over tariffs, states' rights, or the abstract principle of secession” (Michael E. Woods “What Twenty-First-Century Historians Have Said about the Causes of Disunion: A Civil War Sesquicentennial Review of the Recent Literature” ‘The Journal of American History’ Sep. 2012, Vol. 99: Is. 2, p. 415).

[@Matt_D_370z]

​@@menolikey_ "Men like Alexander Stevens and Jefferson Davis and others made no bones about slavery as the reason: the threat to slavery posed by the incoming Lincoln administration as their reason for their secession. In 1861 the pro-slavery argument was alive and well. It was a respectable argument in the South. Even a respectable argument in parts of the North. They may not have wanted slavery for themselves; Steven Douglass for example said we don't want it here in Illinois but any state or territory where they do want it they should have the right to have it. …The majority consensus in the South is that slavery was a positive good. Once the war was over and slavery had been abolished and once Southerners realized they had very little support in the world...for slavery as the basis of the good society; Once the North had made it clear that they were fighting for emancipation; I think it became a bit of a shock to Southerners to realize that their institution had not only been abolished but discredited in the eyes of the world. And if that institution was discredited in the eyes of the world, then the Confederacy itself would be discredited in the eyes of history. So, it became a psychological necessity, I think for them to deny that the war was about slavery. …So they developed a series of alternative explanations for their raison d'etre, for their reason for existence and states-rights became one of those...causes for which they were fighting" (James M. McPherson "This Mighty Scourge, Perspectives on the Civil War, part 1" 'KZbin' video).

[@menolikey_]

@@Matt_D_370z thank you. But once again, show me how the war was about slavery. Some punk writing all long-winded proves what?

[@menolikey_]

@@Matt_D_370z how many books do we need to read? I'm open to suggestions. No need to write them unless you actually debate.

[@championskyeterrier]

Glory is a really good film about, among many things, the burden of true leadership. Much of the film concerns the various difficult choices made by Shaw starting with not being overly familiar with Thomas so as not to show favoritism, letting Denzel's character endure the prescribed punishment for desertion despite how terrible a punishment by flogging would look to a unit of former slaves, and how these experiences led him to (at great cost) get the courage to demand the shoes and uniforms needed by his men. Ordering his men to burn the Confederate town was also a no win situation, had he done what his conscience dictated he would have lost his men to be under the command of the corrupt officer and in the end would have accomplished nothing. Washington and Freeman stole the show here but Broderick is very good as Shaw, you really feel that he feels the weight of his duty and how heavy are the burden of the decisions he must make.

[@shadowfire_08]

33:00 SC native (Greenville area, between Atlanta & Charlotte), it’s “Bew-fort”. it’s between Savannah & Charleston on the coast

[@usmcrn4418]

The film is VERY loosely based upon the letters of the Regimental Commander Colonel Robert Gould Shaw that were written to his family and friends during his service with the Union Army. The character of Thomas did not exist in the letters.. much of the trials and tribulations that most of the black volunteer endured, which are portrayed here.. were not actually experienced by this specific unit.. however, they were commonly experienced by the majority of black units. But the basic framework and foundation of the film remain true to the letters and what is known about the 54th. No amount of Hollywood artistic license can take away the Glory which they achieved. It is an outstanding film, and one of my favorites! ❤

[@clayton4917]

Good commentary on Glory. Enjoyed it

[@corycody6967]

The American history of instruction of military drill was introduced by a Prussian soldier, Baron bin Stubben.

[@steviekc9057]

Yay! I was afraid you weren't going to be able to get to this one and I'm so glad you did. ❤ Looks like it's time to send you another recommendation 😍

[@CodLiverOil8]

Send him some help to ❤

[@Big718Tex]

That was a rifle salute. That's how you salute when holding a weapon instead of to the brim of your cover

[@lunardruidcyprian6572]

What has made in the past, our Soldiers the best, is the breaking down of the individual. Mentally, spiritually, physically, and socially. Then building them up as a unit. You cannot urinate successfully alone. It creates a solidarity of focus, a mindset that one's individual life, is not as valuable as the life next to them. This is of course a very simple, and generalized overview, but a good book about it in great detail is, "On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society" by Dave Grossman

[@Roddy556]

49:45 it's a rifle salute. It's given while carrying arms.

[@thenecessaryevil2634]

Until very recently beating soldiers into shape was common in the accelerated warfooting training. Training time had been cut down by 5 weeks from peacetime. Drill sergeants often blamed themselves if soldiers died, many killed themselves after particularly massive casualties.

[@Jonwallachio]

Lol, he was not an overseer. He's an Irish immigrant. And slavery had been outlawed in massachusets for many decades at this point. Boston was the heart of the abolition movement - it was the place where slavery was most hated.

[@LogicalNiko]

In an unusual twist yes, Cabot from Fallout. The Cabot family is one of the "Boston Brahmin". Ironic in the context, but in the original meaning of brahmin from Sanskrit of the priestly class, experts, powerful recluse, or ones guiding tradition. In other parlance they are coined the First Families of Boston settling in areas like Salem, Boston, Plymouth area. The Cabot's are one of the "newer" families showing up around 1700 and are intermingled with the Lodge family. The Forbes family which is also intermingled with the Kerry Family arrived in about 1750. The oldest is the Lowell family which arrived in 1639 and is the basis of the Laurence Family, Roosevelt Family, and the Astor Family. These family lines have many many interconnected historical links throughout United States politics, industry, and wealth (along with just as many descendant family lines that compete to make a name for themselves as well). But yes, you will see these family names scattered throughout US history.

[@brianrecinos3914]

I recommend you watch another great Civil War movie called Gettysburg where the score is awesome.

[@danielott135]

This is very well thought out reaction

[@homus45]

first 10 minutes was like watching a person walk into cactus spines on pupose

[@stevefromwork6136]

From north Carolina. We did not fight for slavery. And our flag is the battle flag not the flag of the csa. And I'm part black. Proud of my heritage.

[@Hiking_chef]

The American DrillSgt originates from the cadre for Baron Frederich VonStuben who transformed the Continental Army at Valley Forge. From there on out the training pipeline existed. His original drill manual was The Blue Book, but in the ACW, they were most likely using Hardee’s drill manual of the Rifle Company. You should really watch Gettysburg from 1993

[@kevinbalys2260]

Two of Fredrick Douglas’s sons served in the 54th Mass.

[@nathansnider6525]

Deep reaction, as always bro!!

[@beyonderbill3409]

38:30 YES. That IS Hector Salamanca!

[@maxmacdonald7174]

Very good bloody hart wrenching flick.

[@disconnexionsdotcom]

Yes. That was Hector Salamanca aka the late Mark Margolis. He was a Jewish actor, but was able to play many different ethnicities along his career. He pops up in some of the most unlikely movies, but he has a very distinguished face.

[@SigRho1429]

The banjo is an African instrument.

[@CodLiverOil8]

😂😂😂

[@holygreedo5699]

Though the fort was never taken, so many bodies were buried underneath that they poisoned the ground water. Eventually forcing the Confederates to abandon it. So in some grim way the 54th eventually did take the fort.

[@buddytesla]

As far as I know, the only main character based on a real person was Shaw. In reality, he did not share his parents’ abolitionist views. However, his opinion changed when he saw what great soldiers his men became. Also, most men in his regiment were free men like Thomas and not runaway slaves. And while it is true that the fort was never taken, the confederates eventually realized it was hopeless to keep trying to defend it and they abandoned it. The friction between Broderick and Elwes that played out so well on screen was real, as for reasons that have never been disclosed, the two actors did not get along.

[@dabegmister]

We used to watch this movie all the time in middle school

[@menolikey_]

Should be a requirement

[@charlesmaurer6214]

We did in Jr. High but the teacher got in trouble for leaving the opening canonball beheading in. That was the early 90s

[@dabegmister]

@@charlesmaurer6214 Yeah it was late nineties early two thousands for me. Most of the time we watched it when there was a substitute teacher

[@top_gallant]

Montgomery actually did more for abolition than Shaw. He raised black regiments in Kansas however didn't believe in military discipline because Bleeding Kansas was a straight up guerilla war. Montgomery brought that guerrilla warfare to the Carolinas with him. Shaw disliked him because he terrorized rebel civilians but Montgomery wouldn't have had a problem with Shaw taking his men into action.

[@shesemerald2011]

Von Steuben... Gave America the ability to win our Independence.

[@TheKawkawlin8]

Great movie! Good call

[@TheKawkawlin8]

Andersonville is one of my favorites. Underrated

[@robtintelnot9107]

Once this came out on HBO I watched it several times at age 9. Though, I didnt fully understand the racism part of it. Learned a lot of lessons from this movie.

[@charlesmaurer6214]

Beaufort is a French name that in the south was by large said wrong as others below described the way the south said it.

[@dirus3142]

The Irish had a complex view of America, the civil war, and slavery. The Irish were being brutally oppressed by the English in their homeland. They suffered under laws that were designed to grind away their culture, and destroy them as a people. The Irish came to America as immigrants, almost refugees, or transported as a criminal sentence. The Irish leader ship in America, particularly New York, had members that were leaders of the Irish rebellion. The Irish were constantly pressed by anti immigrant political groups such as the Know Nothings. They did not see the American civil war as their fight. Yet some were abolitionists. The Irish Brigade from New York was lead by a leader of Irish Rebellion, and disliked slavery. However not all Irish were anti slavery. The people were practically split in half over the issue. The south also had a famous Irish regiment. It was also lead by a former Irish rebel leader. He turned highly pro slavery, and practically a white supremacist.

[@futuregenerationz]

The word 'afro-centric' to me, seems to describe one as ONLY being interested in black history. At least that seems to be what the phrase means when saying 'euro-centric'. That said, I think you are VERY interested, naturally, in black history. I'm looking forward to your reaction to this. [edit]Great reaction. I like your erudition too. I know I love these movies, but to watch them again, I need someone else's opinion, maybe several people's.

[@top_gallant]

The soldiers would have moved from Beaufort to Darrien by steamship. Covering 100 miles that way would not take long at all.

[@josephmontrose6368]

You have some odd presumptions about why people do things. I was not drafted; I joined the military because I thought it was the right thing to do. and consider draft dodgers not worthy.

[@gallendugall8913]

"Where does the drill sergeant come from?" Prussia! During the revolutionary war in the US we got a bunch of mercenary Prussian military officers the English had hired to defect (big bribes) and they established the concept of the drill sergeant to break men down to build them back up. It was cutting edge military concept back then. Now everyone does it. In this case the drill sergeant is meant to be irish, and the irish competed with the free blacks for jobs which meant there was a native hostility between the two groups.

[@leopardskills69]

The American military Drill Sargents art taught via the Manual of arms, dating back to Revolutionary war. General Lafayette is where the base’s of our military manual came. They are not supposed to see color, they build stress to induce battle like conditions. This you learn to operate in stressful environments. Underhanded yes, but effective. They are proud when the people they train become Soldiers they can respect. God bless the 54th.

[@patriciadurr7245]

The 54th didn’t take their pay

[@AceCorban]

I've watched this movie many times, but I think I finally realized the value of the "tear it up" gesture. Sure, it was just an act of protest, but it could be an effective message anyway as it puts the Union in the position of engaging in slavery if they don't pay them a full wage.

[@brittroberds5500]

It’s hard to watch some of the scenes training wise but Colonel Shaw was trying to give these men the same respect and training white soldiers got. The flogging was common for deserters at that time. White or black. Some were even branded with a “D” with a hot iron. It’s so much more heartbreaking though knowing where these men come from.

[@Smileybeeblevrox]

Great commentary! You get the main character way before many other tractors.. Great job. You still talk a little too much, but overall very perceptive.

[@internetidentity3917]

I suppose both drill sergeants and overseers tear men down and then build them back up in a particular way.

[@IheartDeadpool]

Man, one of my favorite films. Watched in high school for film history. I love you questioning the back lighting. 😂 I think you're too high brow for some of these things, my friend.

[@ellygoffin4200]

Col Shaw understood the importance overall of their leading the attack. It was this act of bravery that caus d Congress to recruit former slaves into the regular army. Without out this act at the end this may not have happened.

[@musicaleuphoria8699]

What? You didn't know Don Hector fought for the Union before founding his drug dealing business, until the Los Pollos Hermanos took over.

[@haraldisdead]

How has he never seen this?!

[@react2379]

You need to actually check out the stats on where military folks come from. I came through the Los Angeles pipeline to the Navy and I was far from alone. The officers in those higher tax bracket you talked about, they were the lifers. Collecting properties all over the world like they’re Pokémon.

[@briannewbold7942]

You should check out Ang Lee's 'Ride with the devil' an amazing film.

[@rasapplepipe]

I believe that the character played by Morgan Freeman did survive that last battle.

[@williamallen7984]

This is such a wonderful movie…

[@Reshtarc]

Flogged was the lesser option . Desertion during war time = execution. Many times more than it equaled a flogging he gave the lesser punishment.

[@Svensk7119]

I believe, Mr. LBoyd, your belief on why most people join the US military is both pessimistic and antiquated. Life in the US not nearly as hard as even fifty years ago, let alone a hundred fifty. I daresay the US is among the nations with the Largest patriotic populations. Joining the Armed Forces only requires a certain amount of physical/mental prowess, and a decent dose of patriotism. Plus, the benefits aren't bad.

[@disconnexionsdotcom]

If you want a great movie, add Malcolm X to your watchlist. Denzel's best performance and my favorite Spike Lee movie.

[@cflournoy1529]

Nobody ever reacts to Malcom X. They absolutely should though.

[@mariotovar951]

He’ll complain about the “lighting” when they show Malcolm being assassinated

[@cynthiabotsko2449]

From an almost literary-film perspective I always thought the movie was a great story. Unless it's a documentary, I always consider most historical films as having some fiction for the purpose of film & drama - action & dialog containing themes & feelings of events rather than always following historical facts to a tee. That being said, brilliant all-star cast and powerful, compelling stories. The feel of it seems to get the point across in a way that some of the historical facts never could. Immersing into a storyline to experience the history... feeling the impact. Great movie!

[@lunardruidcyprian6572]

I believe the walk to Darian took about 10 days.

[@Killer-ml1sd]

If you wanna see another civil war movies you should watch Gettysburg’s, cold mountain and The Outlaw Josey Wales watch in that order if possible

[@SmokinDroFrayser]

That was Hector

[@melite78]

Drill Sargents have been around for thousands of years.

[@lunardruidcyprian6572]

19:15-19:43, "Operation Human Shield" South Park lmao

[@rumham2834]

Good comentary

[@pricemoore2022]

Awesome reaction of my favorite movie!!!!!!😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

[@lunardruidcyprian6572]

One of the best films ever.

[@RLKmedic0315]

After the battle, the bodies of many Union officers were returned to their families by the Confederates. The general refused to do so with the body of Col. Shaw since he commanded a colored regiment. This was an intentional insult by the Confederacy. When he commented on this, Robert Gould Shaw's father said: "We would not have his body removed from where it lies surrounded by his brave and devoted soldiers. ... We can imagine no holier place than that in which he lies, among his brave and devoted followers, nor wish for him better company. - what a body-guard he has!" The unit was reactivated on November 21, 2008, to serve as the Massachusetts Army National Guard ceremonial unit to render military honors at funerals and state functions. The new unit is now known as the 54th Massachusetts Volunteer Regiment. (From the Wikipedia article)

[@tripsaplenty1227]

That is Hector Salamanca

[@williambranch4283]

A good match to Lincoln and Red Badge of Courage.