Go Kart Brakes: Pedal, Drum & Band Install

[@carlosm_bg]

I'm gonna use some of these pictures for a college project, thank you for sharing!

[@KartFab]

no problem, dont get caught for plagarism haha

[@ricardobernalc6170]

hahahaha nicee

[@noobbuilderproductions7865]

lamo

[@sophiediamond]

Does the brake and throttle cable fit on a 50 cc quad dirtbike engine?

[@hamzakocaturk7593]

Hello. Can you tell us the application you use while designing the project?

[@kmart014]

I really love your go kart color scheme, I think I am going to copy it. However, how did you get the 2 tone wheels? I NEEEED those.

[@KartFab]

Painted it tgst wsy

[@lachlanbruce5566]

I never thought of making brakes that way. Very clever

[@SOLIDIUS36]

Superb video.. I came here to get an idea of how these brakes work and your video was perfect.. trying to get this old cart up and running.. feel like I'll be back for other topics.. lol.. Thanks again

[@KartFab]

No oroblem

[@MrCoolerMan1]

Why isn't a brake cable used? Looking to build my own, thanks!

[@stclairstclair]

You have tons of options depending on how much you're willing to spend, You can go disc brakes with hydraulics, You can use mechanical cable on drum or disc, He's building a traditional old school go kart, the rod is cheap and easy to buy and build, It also allows you to deliver a lot of power from your foot without cables stretching and hydraulics needing service, Cheap and reliable.

[@fraserthompson3761]

With the break does it just work by the revs dropping stopping the shaft on engine then breaks the wheels

[@whatup1454]

We just bought our kids at go Chi and we found the brake pad on the floor so now we have to figure out how to put it back on any advice we thought we had to take the caliber off and put it back in is that correct

[@Garrettsbrokebuilds]

Is there a way to use the brake drums with a brake cable? I feel like it’s possible if you just clamp down the wire on the other side, but I just wanna play it safe and get others opinions

[@justinstayton6640]

I'm thinking of using your plans in the near future to build my first kart. Everything seemed to go smoothly up until I got to this brake rod section. In the plans, I see the brake rod guide tab (1/4 " DIA) and then one of the eyelets (3/8" DIA). Next, I see another eyelet which I'm assuming is the "front eyelet" at 1/4" DIA but it looks like the rod doesn't go through it (through the diameter that was pre-drilled out)? The diagram shows the rod touching the side of this front eyelet and the instructions at the top says, "...and weld the eyelets to the rod..." I'm really not sure where to put these eyelets. Also, what exactly are you welding at 3:31-3:37 of this video? I know you're at the front at the brake pedal, but I can't see what specific spot you're welding the rod to on the brake pedal.

[@KartFab]

No rod is welded to brake pedal, you run a bolt through brake pedal and eyelet. Space it out with nuts. Use threadlocker.

[@MasboyRC]

Very nice explain and presentations, it's make me so easily to undertstand. Thanks for sharing

[@ethanvankoughnett8366]

cool, at the school i go to we are currently building go karts. its very similar to what you have but we use hydraulic breaks. any thoughts on them compared to what you use?

[@KartFab]

Hydraulic are the best, but kind of expensive. Brake band or mechanical disc will work well enough and cost 1/2 to 1/5th of the price. If money is no option, hydraulic is the way to go.

[@imad2036]

Hi , I don't get how did you put the brake on a fixed axle? Wouldn't one wheel brake and the other one still rotate? Wouldn't it make the kart turning around?

[@KartFab]

Does braking on a motorcycle cause it to turn around?

[@Tmansgokarts]

VERY VERY well presented. Good job.

[@KartFab]

Thanks T-Man.

[@johnathandoe5357]

I am very impressed with your welding skills

[@KartFab]

+Johnathan Doe thanks, im just a noob MIG welder though. It helps that I learned to TIG weld first.

[@aydinharris7886]

Hey quick question. About the brake system you made. Does it stop both sides evenly so it doesnt have to much force in the axle and break or brake unevenly?

[@KartFab]

It stops one wheel…It’s not like the other wheel has high resistance so it’s not going to torque steer you anywhere

[@aydinharris7886]

@@KartFabthank you for your advice and for making these videos

[@hipstergrandma228]

When i checked the site for the kit it was out of stock would it comeback or thats it?

[@chriss6042]

I have an older manco I bought. It uses a 2 piece brake rod with a spring between the joining connection from what I could tell from looking at pics online. The kart was missing half of this assembly and I was able to recreate it from pictures online. What is the point of having this 2 piece assembly with the spring? I feel like the single bar like you use would work better.

[@KartFab]

Just different ways of having a return mechanism after pressing the brake.

[@jenserickson1268]

Working on the brake band today with my kart club. Woohoo!

[@henryw1067]

Hi KartFab, I've never built a go kart or anything with an engine, I have pretty good construction skills, but only with wood, and I don't know how to weld... Would you say the live axle plans are much harder than the free version? I just don't want to pay the $20 for the plans and then go "Oh crap, I'm in over my head!"

[@KartFab]

About the same only real difference is rear axle

[@davidclink1425]

I have an old Carter Super Wheels Go-Cart. 5HP B&S Engine. Pretty Basic. Getting it refreshed for grandkids. I don't see a provision for a return spring as you show in the kit. Not elsewhere in the rest of the system that I see. Is that normal?

[@KartFab]

Look again at the brake pedal where it pivots there is a spring that actually makes the pedal return back to its original position.

[@davidclink2032]

I found out no spring on brakes for this Carter cart. Additionally, we can't find a diagram of linkage for the gas pedal hooks up. This is an older 5hp B&S engine with horizontal shaft. It runs and the governor linkage works. nut the gas pedal doesn't increase engine speed. Only # on engine is 302023200019110506. No manual throttle where the choke one is.

[@KartFab]

@@davidclink2032 hmmm, the best way to get some help in the fastest way possible is to join the diygokarts forum, and post multiple pictures of your setup and ask for help. diygokarts.com

[@kaijorda5886]

I would suggest a hitch retaining pin rather than a cotter pin just for the ease of replacing the band once it wears down

[@MelihGames24]

how fast does something like this go

[@rayfrnk192]

I have a go kart but my breaks are only break that hit my tires not like urs where do I get the band that hits the break

[@olebilly]

Where can i find these go kart wheels and rims?

[@jessefoster2966]

Can someone help me trying to find a video on how to install a cable to my pedal down to my rear tire

[@clappincheeks5584]

I have 18hp on a go kart and the brake band just doesn’t work that well at all. Any suggestions?

[@KartFab]

Brake disc or drop down to a 5 hp

[@danielgroger742]

my gocart brake band keeps drafting off drum i think it needs side guides to keep it square on drum .what u think is wrong

[@KartFab]

The pin holding the band might need to be bent in shape

[@Singledadlife1986]

I was just wondering if maybe you would know where I could get 15 and half inch band breaks? I purchased a go kart but the breaks are completely shot and I bought 13 and half inch band breaks bur they don't fit lol thabks for any help

[@KartFab]

hmmm, well the brake bands are not measured by circumference, rather, the diameter of the drum. Measure the drum diameter, and that is the brake band you use. What brand/model kart do you have?

[@Singledadlife1986]

+KartFab not sure I bought it off a friend of a friend and not a clue what kind it is? it's a 2 seater with a roll cage? lol but so I have to measure the drum? and not all the way around the outside but rather just straight across?

[@KartFab]

yup

[@alexthayer6470]

So I am looking to build a sort of soapbox car, and I am just trying to figure out how to make a manual brake. Any suggestions?

[@KartFab]

Yes. Look up a “scrub brake” on google.

[@talhajamal7480]

@kartfab how to make a tie rod??

[@DevonFerguson.]

Does it lock up the rear wheels?

[@jordanmorris2327]

what welder are you using?

[@jeffsond]

Thx for the videos! After watching I’ll be buying a completely built kart..😜

[@dexium6295]

Is there a way to make the brake band clamp tighter? because mine takes a while to stop my go kart.

[@KartFab]

If i step on my brakes hard, it locks up the wheels. The problem could be a number of things. Old brake band loses friction, improperly adjusted band, bad linkages (are your linkages like mine on the go kart? If not, they could be affecting it). Also, your brake pedal applies leverage, you can put the linkage for the brake pedal lower for more leverage, or higher for more travel. You can have the right leverage, but if the band isnt adjusted correctly, you may need more travel for it to engage.

[@dexium6295]

Thank you :)

[@djmk227]

Hey, I'm building this now and am ordering misc materials. There is no Outside Dimensions listed for the 5/16" Fender Washer and the 3/4" ID 1" Spacer. Could somebody help me out? None of these parts are mentioned in the plans past the materials list.

[@KartFab]

+djm227 the spacer is for the steering shaft. It doesn't matter how thick it is maybe 16-11 gauge. I forget what the fender washer is for but it may be for the steering column where the steering wheel bolts to it.

[@djmk227]

I believe it is for the steering column. Does the OD matter for that? Thanks!

[@KartFab]

+djm227 a fender washer is pretty big. The only thing that matters here is that the steering wheels bolt pattern can fit onto it.

[@Any_Halfs]

I got the clutch and sprocket today.. I was rideing on a flat surface testing the go kart.. without brakes so I drove it ran smooth till I got to a dead stop.. then it started smoking... it's a 12 teeth clutch tires from a ride lawnmower 8' maybe regular sprocket .. I don't know how to put oil I'm a newbie

[@KartFab]

+Tony Gonzalez 8"? Are you just making that up? There is a bushing around the clutch kind of where the teeth are but next to the engine shaft. You just put a few drops of it on there every now and again. Smoking clutch could also mean you have the hearing wrong. Get on a "go kart speed calculator" site to see what your top speed at 3600 RPM is. Most yard karts should go around 25 mph or less. If it is geared to a high speed, you will eventually burn out the clutch from the heat as it is trying to engage all the time.

[@Any_Halfs]

The tire says 13x5.00... Sorry man I'm just starting getting into the go kart scene this go kart was rated at 45mph.... I realy appreciate your info on putting oil.. I knew even as a beginner that it shouldn't be smoking..

[@KartFab]

+Tony Gonzalez you should have maybe 72-80t drive wheel sprocket. The problem is the gearing.

[@KartFab]

***** Link is in description on my website, but here it is again kartfab.com/go-kart-plans

[@galakticogalaktico591]

Hola soy de Perú, quisiera saber cuáles son las medidas que utilizas para el armado del go kart . Gracias

[@deseremere]

Why do we need a brake spring if the brake band itself is a spring and will push the pedal back into position?

[@KartFab]

I guess you would have a point if you were right.

[@nottelling4237]

They're kidding right???? Lol

[@Sheenhunnit]

Where can I find go kart brake rod

[@terrikachyna2]

Can this work on a shifter kart? I just bought a frame for it but it came with no engine nor brakes

[@KartFab]

Shifter karts have hydraulic disc brakes.

[@terrikachyna2]

+KartFab so what should i get to install the brakes on the birel go kart? I have no idea what to get

[@gnanaprakash-ravi]

What software u used for design and analysis?

[@notinuse6429]

My brake won’t stay on the axel it keep sliding of and then has no brakes what should I do?

[@KartFab]

line it up and put a cotter pin through the pivot point to hold the brake band on.

[@wgpubs]

Great vids, great tutorial! Finished putting this baby together with my kids and all is well except for one thing. I'm noticing that the clutch engages as I start turning the choke off (when the vehicle is sitting on my workbench) without hitting the gas pedal. When it's down on the ground, the clutch engages without me hitting the gas pedal but only when the choke is completely off. Any ideas on what could be causing this and how to fix? btw, I'm using the same parts from your build and I'm a complete noob when it comes to anything mechanical :)

[@KartFab]

Adjust the idle speed down. Black plastic screw on top of carb.

[@wgpubs]

Tried that ... but the clutch engages as soon as I start to take the choke off. Drove it around a bit with the choke about half-way and noticed the clutch was smoking as well. Any other ideas? Thanks

[@KartFab]

ok now you need to really pay attention. The idle speed screw that is black will COMPLETELY CLOSE the throttle if you back it out far enough. E.G. your engine will not run at all if you adjust it low enough. Air makes your engine run, if it has no air, it will not run, period. So go back to the idle screw on top of the carb, and back it out until you see the top plastic part of the throttle butterfly touch the metal part of the carb, this is in the fully closed position and your engine will not run AT ALL in this position, when you screw the black plastic screw in from here, your engine will idle slowly, and if you keep screwing the screw in, the engine will idle higher and higher because the throttle butterfly is opening more and more. You need to be 100% sure that you are adjusting this properly. If you are certain that you have the tthrottle butterfly 100% closed (black screw all the way backed out, then you need to look at other sources of air. So there are two other thoughts coming to mind here. 1) your screw is adjusted, but your throttle return spring is not pushing the butterfly closed (this only happens when the engine is running btw). If your throttle isnt returning, it could be that the 10mm friction nut that the throttle lever pivots on is not backed out far enough, or you have a weak return spring. If the nut allows the throttle lever to freely pivot (i like it very loose) you can then look at the return mechanism. If it is weak, then you can drill a small hole in the top of the throttle lever (the one you can grab with your hand) and get a small stretchy spring and attach it to the end of that lever and then to your pull start shroud so this spring will keep the throttle on the turtle side of things easier. Ok lost yet? Hope not. Second thought coming to mind is that you may have a vacuum leak (e.g. air is getting into the engine from a leak somewhere) a vacuum leak is caused by a crack or bad gasket, or gasket installed backwards. I only see these types of leaks when people start jacking with the engine pulling the carb off and rip a gasket or forget to install it correctly so it is not sealing. So with that said. I can pretty much gurantee that the engine is getting AIR and you are not able to cut off the air with whatever you are doing. If an engine doesnt have air, it doesnt matter what your choke is set on, it WILL NOT OVER REV. IT WILL NOT IDLE. It will not run. You control that air through good gaskets and seals, and by the throttle butterfly. The throttle butterfly gets held closed by the governor only when the engine is running. The idle idjustment screw on top of the carburetor bypasses the force the governor is applying to close the throttle butterfly, so the throttle is cracked open just enough to allow the engine to idle correctly. So............ If you really tried that, then you need to try it again. Get that engine to BARELY RUN at a LOW idle speed. On top of all of this, if you run the enging with half choke, it is making the engine's fuel mixture extremely rich, which will underpower the engine SIGNIFICANTLY, which will ruin the force the engine has to apply to the clutch, so the clutch will be constantly slipping. The clutch needs to slip a little bit when you first start out, then lock up when you get higher up in the rpm range. If it is constantly slipping, it will burn up, and possibly anneal the metal and ruin the clutch (typically by detensioning the springs from heat build up). A smoking clutch is also a sign of bad gearing. you want a 6:1 gear ratio typically with up to 15" tires. If you are trying to climb a hill it may smoke as well, but that is because the clutch is slipping and you cant climb super steep hills with a standard centrifugal clutch. So gear ratio, and low hp/low rpm can cause clutch to slip. Good luck. Hope this helps. Check the obvious stuff first. If your engine wont run without the choke on, you should CLEAN YOUR CARBURETOR, including removing the pilot jet, main jet, emulsion tube, and using carb cleaner. You should NEVER run your engine on partial choke EVER. It should only be started on choke, and when it warms up a bit (usually after a few seconds), you can take the choke off, let it warm up a bit more, then drive it.

[@wgpubs]

SOLVED: It looks like it was a combination of the 10mm friction nut not being loose enough and also the throttle cable being too tight. Everything works fine except now chain comes off because my clutch slips down from where it is mounted on the engine. I did notice anything locking the clutch in place when I unpacked the engine and now I can just slide it off/on the engine. Is there something I need to do to lock it into place? And thanks for your patience :)

[@KartFab]

glad to see you got it fixed. I try to be thorough in my response so that you get all your options covered. So to answer your chain problem question. YES you need to have something locking the clutch into place. Some clutches have a set screw that you use an allen wrench to tighten against the engine shaft. The clutch should have a key and keyway that keeps it from spinning. But as far as keeping the clutch on the engine shaft, you need to use a washer and a bolt that has threadlocker on it to keep it from slipping off the end of the shaft. Some clutches (like race clutches) need a small amount of end play, but most others will require maybe some washers if the shaft is longer than the clutch to keep it all fixed into place.

[@fredahrens6359]

My drum and band kit came with a cable. But the cable just pulls out of the pin. Ugh

[@KartFab]

does it have an allen bolt or something like that to secure the cable to the pin?

[@fredahrens6359]

@@KartFab yes, but the cable pulls right out of it. Im thinking of other ways to mount the cable. Or just manufactoring a brake rod, seems more reliable

[@KartFab]

yeah i dont know whats up with that or where you got it. I have my brakes set up this way in the video, which is much better (no cable stretching).

[@fredahrens6359]

@@KartFab cable seems fine u til you hit 25+ and need to stop. Then just pulls out of the pin. My throttle is rod to cabke, which works out nice. My cart is from the late 70s, serial on frame claims 1975. No springs on brake cable or pedal. Doubt thats the issue. Oh well. Your cart definatly came out nice

[@Any_Halfs]

why is my clutch smoking ? it's predator 212cc 12 teeth smokes when stopped

[@KartFab]

+Tony Gonzalez tire size? Axle or drive wheel sprocket tooth count? Where driven? Hills/street/off road? Do you oil the bushing?

[@Any_Halfs]

it pulls with 1 tire with chain

[@whittjoyce838]

Does this kit fit on all off-road go karts?

[@KartFab]

sorry, only the magic kits fit all go karts, and we are out of the magic ones.

[@whittjoyce838]

Ok, thanks KartFab !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Aye-lf3rh]

great job man keep doing what u do

[@derv206385]

I couldn’t see how you mounted the drum for the band to engage it…..😢

[@KartFab]

Setup with 3D drawings is in plans

[@Fantasy_stories1]

Where I sow your logo before??🤔🤔

[@gymgains-i4i]

Are you retarded

[@05kidbone]

im paralyzed i need hand brake and throttle can it be done?

[@KartFab]

+05kidbone yes, but you need to get a butterfly style steering wheel and hydraulic disc brake.

[@05kidbone]

how much will the cost to build with 2 seats with cage

[@KartFab]

not sure, steel cost might be somewhere around $150, not sure about seats either. depends on how much they cost

[@НесторБлюм]

Steering hinges should be brewed at an angle. And the rear wheels on one shaft would not hurt.

[@farddymanuelherrera963]

he y como con seguir la parte de la llanta donde esta la estrella

[@melissareed8927]

If you use a clutch put the band around that so if it gets stuck u can stop the kart quicker

[@KartFab]

...or if the chain breaks you can use your feet?

[@skatescooter619]

hey is that kind of beaks is good in hight speeds ?

[@Bmr4life]

hydraulic is the only good brakes for high speeds.

[@julianleon1729]

what if you were tk make one for me how much would it cost me

[@mattkennedy2601]

What do you use to make the 3D plans for the gokart

[@KartFab]

+Matt Kennedy cad

[@mattkennedy2601]

+KartFab thanks

[@RR10Gaming]

+KartFab hi how do u break on other wheels

[@KartFab]

other wheels dont need it. one wheel brake is all it needs. If you have a live axle go kart, then you use one brake for both wheels. This is for a 1 wheel drive go kart.

[@RR10Gaming]

k thank u

[@hawknationseattle4738]

how wide can the frame be for a two seater

[@KartFab]

as wide as you want it.

[@Robindontdoit]

Where are you located lol. I need help

[@Any_Halfs]

I counted the teeth on the sprocket 60teeth. I will look into the ones you mentioned though thank you sir for the info I will be taking it

[@KartFab]

+Tony Gonzalez actually that's not all that bad with 60t and only 13" tires.... It could be better. Just make sure you don't start/stop constantly, or try to climb hills with it. You will feel the clutch slip, then fully engage. You want the clutch either disengaged at idle, or fully engaged. The more time it slips, the more smoking and heat you get.

[@elisakkab3491]

Is there an easier way to put brakes?

[@KartFab]

+Eli Sakkab this is the least expensive way to do reliable brakes. Options to look into on your own include scrub brakes, mechanical disc brakes, hydraulic disc brakes, drum brakes.

[@elisakkab3491]

thanks great vids they help a lot!

[@matthewwood8136]

where do you buy the brake return spring

[@KartFab]

+Matthew Wood chock out the article link in the description it has links to everything I talked about in the video.

[@jasperbates6760]

Awesome job!

[@AdhirajKasturi]

Your all videos are awesome!!!thumbs up

[@KartFab]

+Adhiraj Kumar thanks!

[@marleysontag8362]

I want to make a Ford t model go kart

[@samcarlson6143]

how do you make a front brake?

[@KartFab]

parts kit in description

[@devanshgupta2702]

thnx bro u r awesome u teach me a lot which I m finding in books​and I don't get it

[@KartFab]

no problem

[@sheeesh9938]

Why band brake?

[@TrionoBara]

Very very nice..👍👍👌👌

[@fernandopiedra3661]

congratulations good work have earned my respect I hope and continue to create more content

[@nottelling4237]

Your videos rock brother!!! =) very informative

[@nottelling4237]

The questions these guys ask you in the comments tho... 😂 wow

[@KartFab]

Haha yep. Very entertaining.

[@nottelling4237]

KartFab agreed! 😂

[@julianpat6146]

how much does the

[@youssefelsayed9104]

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[@KartFab]

+Youssef Elsayed read the description it has all the links.

[@pablosaldana3428]

How tall are you

[@youssefelsayed9104]

i know but no one in my country sells thes thing

[@KartFab]

+Youssef Elsayed they ship international. People from all over the world can get them; if FedEx international ships there from the USA you can get it.

[@devanshgupta2702]

bro i need a help i want to know how to paint a fibreglass​ sample plz tell this in ur next video its urgent

[@chrissanchez419]

New to this stuff btw my kart goes forward with full speed right when i krank it up what do i do

[@KartFab]

Jack up the rear of the kart and start it. It might be an engaged clutch or torque converter, or throttle is stuck open or idle adjustment is too high.

[@ashton6478]

Sharpen your tungsten my guy, good video

[@samueltremuloquintanilla195]

Exelente video muchas veces

[@mustafakarmali1342]

Can you do a free give away for the go cart set

[@KartFab]

i give away free plans, that is all i can do.

[@mustafakarmali1342]

KartFab thanks anyway

[@blockhead9156]

Looking good!

[@KartFab]

Thanks!

[@zeairewilliams9470]

well how can I contact you

[@KartFab]

+Zeaire Williams you did through facebook. I don't sell go karts privately to people that want them. I just show you how to build one. Thanks for asking. If you want to buy your own go kart you can get one used on craigslist, or ebay, or buy one new online by searching "buy a go kart"

[@vidak-z9j]

oh, finally, a video of how to install a brake thats not hydraulic. brake band: 20 DOLLARS WOOOW

[@samsgarage1716]

Great video

[@youssefelsayed9104]

i liked this kart you are the best

[@youssefelsayed9104]

i will ask and look after thes thing

[@pizzplnet8204]

All the time

[@SUNofNY]

thanks!

[@juniorselaria1678]

E guanto um carro desse jeito

[@LORDandslayer]

Weld this weld that. He'll nah

[@notanazi8632]

He’ll nah? You mean he’ll yah

[@princemobile]

can you sold in india

[@shafiqrahman9156]

Great video but for very limited audience. Not many people have the skill set to accomplish this. I am not good as you are either.

[@saiyadvarishali9289]

Go cart India price

[@sgray1906]

Sweet !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@youssefelsayed9104]

ok,thanks

[@thatrandomguy8567]

Only if i could weld

[@pizzplnet8204]

Cool…

[@VintageSpeedwerks]

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