Goat Story Arco vs Niche Zero & Lagom Mini (ARCO Full Review)

[@KyleRowsell]

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[@gregoryjacob7776]

14:34 (Yes, I did like it)

[@juanpaolobautista2381]

Sir make a comparison video of automatic tampers :)

[@amitmargalit4551]

Thank you for this one! I’ve been pondering this exact question over the past few months in local forums. Ended up getting the Lagom mini w/ moonshine. Personally I wanted to say you are becoming an awesome coffee channel and I really appreciate your work!

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks Amit! Really appreciate the kind words

[@ariqisrockin231]

Kyle, been following since 7k subs and it's crazy how much content you're making now! As a fellow espresso enthusiast your vids are super helpful in finding new affordable gadgets to test out in my coffee bar. Thanks for your work, from a fellow canuck.

[@KyleRowsell]

Hey thanks! It’s a lot, honestly. I work a full time job plus KZbin. We’ll see what the future holds!

[@user-pr1wd4hf6e]

I just received my Arco about a month ago. I really do enjoy it, but the noise is annoying. I was really suprised by the amount of static, but it hasn't been a problem since I just tap the machine a few times. I like black, so the lack of color options wasn't a problem. What I love is that I can take it with me. You didn't show the optional travel bag which I purchased. That makes traveling with it and storing the handle nicer. The coffee is great. As someone who doesn't have access to a ton of coffee grinders, I don't have the ability to test like you do. What I can say is that I have enjoyed the range of coffee I can grind with it. Taken altogether, it is a great little grinder especially if you want travel with it but want an electric at home.

[@richardbutler9466]

Kyle, in your review of the Arco you stated that Goat Story ‘nailed it’ when choosing the conical burr found in this grinder. As usual-and this is THE ONE THING THAT MAKES YOUR REVIEW RISE ABOVE ALL OTHER REVIEWERS’-you ‘nailed it’ again with this review. It’s very difficult to state in a videoed review that you ‘really like this grinder’ only to turn around almost in the same sentence and then integrate how bad it is because it’s noisy and than again, pan it because the base can ‘shift’ slightly which could cause havoc with the grinds but didn’t at least in your experience with your specific grinder. That’s ballsy my man but honest and different and refreshing! Thanks for keeping your reviews above so many of the others but not all. There are a few others who I know are friends of yours that have this same quality of their reviews-no sugarcoating. Now back to what I have to say about your review: After watching this review thrice, I finally came down to agreeing with you as to why the Arco is a good grinder except for the noise. I really liked how they show the user the number of revolutions have been made when dialing up or down from fine to coarse since it presents so many stepped numbers between these two settings. That said, however, I still would go with the Option-O LAGOM Mini grinder. Albeit quieter, Option-O does give me the choice of two burrs AND the option to purchase the other burr at a discounted price of $49. And now that I have studied these three, I must say that I might purchase the Mini, I am still planning to purchase the Option-O P64. To me, it’s still the best grinder for the home at the $1,750. price point and then purchase the Mini for travel or special occasions. Thanks again for another one of your great, unbiased reviews. So refreshing.

[@MrBPM75]

Lagom P64 pretty much nails price point. I have Unimodal burrs so pour-overs are super sweet, clarity, and fruitier. The next range in single dosing is 3000$ plus.. It does have 80-98 mm burrset but honestly between a 36000$ filter brewing optimised burrs in EG1 and 1800$ P64 SSP Unimodal, I wouldn't be able to tell single difference. So 1800 wins in price point.

[@donh1572]

For people who are sensitive to acidity, the Arco sounds great! I use those burrs in my other grinders and they are amazing

[@stefanheldzinger]

Dude you crushed this review, checked all the boxes imho. Really appreciate you putting skin in the game and purchasing the grinder, ngl I think that truly shows dedication to sharing knowledge of the product with as little bias as possible!! Great work my dude!!

[@adamtousek7622]

I recently received my Arco and i have to agree with most of what you said in the review. It is loud and the static is a pain but overall i really like it. I am exactly the target audience for it though, use electric at home and bring the hand grinder with me sometimes.

[@KyleRowsell]

Happy to hear it!

[@michaelcibula9552]

I am an early backer and still waiting for delivery. I understand people are frustrated by the delays but a lot of that has been due to things well outside their control. Pretty much every kickstarter I’ve done has come in very late, such as the Spinn… oy vey. Excited to try it out but like you said Kyle there’s SO much more competition than when they first announced this product.

[@KyleRowsell]

Well said Michael. I think this is perfectly stated. But I do understand the frustration.

[@psionuser5]

The Arco is quieter than my sette 270. Even quieter when held off the bench( the morning grind). I like the range of grind ibrik to cold brew. Minimal space on bench. I do the spray on the beans to elevate static an it has been successful. All round I enjoy it. I do ibrik, espresso, pour over and cold brew - Sette and other previous grinders failed to do all. 👍👍👍👍

[@KyleRowsell]

Right on. Glad to hear this video resonated with your experience

[@alecarro6344]

Thanks Kyle! I was waiting for this comparison. Now I really have no regrets with my Mini. Although, I do wish I was able to test out the moonshine burrs.

[@KyleRowsell]

They’re pretty great but not radically different than the obsidian!

[@DanDaCosta]

Definitely eyeing the Lagom as an upgrade from my Wilfa Svart.

[@KyleRowsell]

Yeah, it’s a great grinder!

[@michaelmawhinney5218]

I’d be very curious to dig deeper into the hand vs electric grind difference. Something I have noticed with my arco is that the static is way less when hand grinding. So, naturally, retention is higher when electric grinding. No amount of tapping or shaking will release a certain amount of coffee from the burrs when electric grinding. I have deduced the shot time differences down to dose. When I grind electric, I dose .3-.5 grams more. Doing this, I am seeing almost identical outcomes in the cup. I am curious if it truly is finer when grinding by hand, I suppose the only way to know would be a particle size a analysis. Thanks for your review!

[@johndambrosio352]

Learning so much from your channel. I have a Hamilton Beach grinder because I didn’t think grinders made a difference. What a wake up call!

[@KyleRowsell]

I’m so glad to hear this! And possibly, but don’t forget to buy quality coffee too!

[@johndambrosio352]

@@KyleRowsell absolutely! I’m so new to this game. I have been trying to make decent espresso at home without equipment breaking the bank. Tried the Moka Pot and the Aeropress, but man, I’m really loving your Flair 58 reviews!

[@TheAxxz]

Am i the only one always excited whenever kayle posts?

[@KyleRowsell]

You’re too kind

[@sacdubro]

I have the Niche and enjoy the work-flow along with the espresso/cappuccino it produces. Thanks for the comparison on these other conical burr grinders. Keeping the Niche but, I would like to have a flat burr grinder to do a side-by-side.

[@shmiffy24]

The static on my arco is insane. Ive tried a wet spoon to stir the beans as I don't have a rdt but it doesn't help. I have to tap the cr*p out of mine to get most of the grounds out. It is a very loud grinder which is disappointing. For me the static is the biggest pain.

[@KyleRowsell]

Agreed. Static is a big issue.

[@ondrejmitas3325]

Ah, yours actually showed up? Already a miracle.

[@ericanderson1753]

Recently, if you MUST have a hand grinder and you can't afford more than one grinder, I'm incredibly tempted by the idea of a K-Plus and a cheap, low-RPM (

[@wynparksook5286]

Appreciate your honest review and transparency of using Patreon fund for this grinder. I too was skeptical of ARCO when it first launched but I have to admit that this is one of the better-looking Goat’s Story products (their design is often not my style!).

[@KyleRowsell]

I appreciate this comment. The Patreon is still growing so purchasing large items can be hard at times. And not to say that disclosed gifted items are biased, as they aren't. At least never on this channel. But I was happy to buy this one and will be happier to give it away :)

[@orrinbelcher6593]

@@KyleRowsell I greatly appreciate your truth and integrity.

[@user-pf5bo2nk2h]

Your comment about the difference in RPM vs hand grinding was really spot on. I stopped to think at this point as I have a KEY and HG-2 and this is indeed the same in principle! Thanks for another great vid Kyle!

[@KyleRowsell]

Glad this resonated with you. I’ll be covering this more in an upcoming video!

[@_kleingeld]

Thanks for this comparison. I bought the Arco as my first "professional" grinder (i.e. not your typical 30 bucks department store grinder) for filter coffee and bialetti coffee. The noise is annoying, but ok to me as my previous grinder was similarly loud with way worse results in grind. What does annoy me more is the fact that some beans tend to stick to the top chamber and you constantly have to tap the grinder to really grind all the beans. This is a known issue according to goat story's support. The static is also somewhat annoying, but manageable with an added drop of water. I never used the Niche, so I never had a better experience. Overall it fits really well in my daily routine and I love the slim design in our kitchen. I didn't know the Lagom Mini before this video, so I might have considered that one, but I don't regret buying the arco at all.

[@murraysleb]

Got my ARCO last week. Yes, it is a little loud. I went from the timemore C2 to this so it's just nice not having to hand grind. The silver bean release cover is very unnecessary. it would have been nice if it was a grinds knocker like the Fellow Ode. I've only had the silver cover open and just tap on the top to get the static grounds out

[@KyleRowsell]

Very true! Enjoy!

[@slush714]

Awesome review! I've been more and more interested in the hand/electric grinder combos. I've been pretty skeptical of this grinder, but other than the noise and the static, this actually seems like a pretty great value. Would love to see a comparison of this vs the Comandante+MadKat combo although that almost prices itself out of a fair comparison. Would be interested to see if the hand vs electric grinding RPM observation was consistent with the Comandante combo as well.

[@KyleRowsell]

This rpm statement rings true for any grinder! While the results may differ, changing the speed does change the distribution.

[@NoZenith]

I think the mini is selling me on it. Been waiting for 6 months to commit to it. Thanks for showing reviews like this. I almost bought the niche several times but I didn't do the pre-order and it wasn't available every time I looked..

[@EdGodoyPlana]

Great video! Fabulous the way you explain things! Thanks

[@KyleRowsell]

Thank you!

[@iamjerney]

Kyle is the type of KZbinr you’d think has been doing this for 5 years.

[@KyleRowsell]

Stahp it. You’re making me blush. But thank you friend! Truly appreciated.

[@SeanGordon-ym4yf]

Great video Kyle! You hit all the right points for me in this vid. How's the ergonomics when hand grinding? It looks like it's quite a larger diameter compared to most hand grinders.

[@KyleRowsell]

It’s similar to the comandante. It’s not perfect but I really enjoy it’s use as a hand grinder.

[@SeanGordon-ym4yf]

@@KyleRowsell Thanks!

[@JPC326]

Really cool video, liked the blind cuping and the Arco review. On my side i think i have found my end game setup with my DF64 (SSP MP), Lagom mini (Moonshine) and the 1Zpresso K-Plus. I use the DF-64 and the K-Plus with my picopresso. Lagom and K-Plus for filter. However my ranking would go as the following 1) K-Plus, it just taste amazing, 2) DF-64 versatility love him since upgrading from the stock burr, 3) Lagom Mini. Maybe because the Lagom is new and not well tuned or seasoned but I'm finding that its a lot more on the "coarse" level than the "fine" level. What i mean is that i find myself using about 0.8-0.7 turn from my Zero point for pour over, their manual state otherwise (maybe its because of the moonshine). I decided on my Zero point when the burr are barely touching each other, maybe i should "change" it to when the burr are locked ? It was easy to find the zero point on the DF-64 and the K-Plus but it seem harder on the Lagom. Anyway, for my taste until now nothing beat the K-Plus :). I'm gonna try and post my "coffee corner hell" on the discord. I really need to clean up my space haha. The K-Plus is great on camping and the mini is also great combined with a power station. My mini however does not have the same marking as yours, i only have white dot no number on he grinderbut the gve me white round sticker so i can stick them and write my own numbers on them with a sharpie. (probably because of the moonshine) Would be cool to see how you found your zero and what setup are you using in a chart :) Each grinder is different but it would be a cool point of reference.

[@themisterier]

as espressos & milk based would you like df64 ssp better or K?

[@AlejandroPDX]

Thanks for not hating on the niches sus filter 😅😅 I totally was expecting to hear “muddled, muted, ok” as the tasting notes for the niche and was pleasantly surprised when it was the blackberry forward coffee! Thank you for your videos

[@KyleRowsell]

Yeah! Cupping will be different than a filter brew as there is less agitation in the brew. So it’s not an apple to apples comparison

[@AlejandroPDX]

@@KyleRowsell interesting! I did not think about that!

[@itsxris]

goat reviewing goat

[@KyleRowsell]

You’re the goat my friend

[@jenwu636]

People keep talking about how it is best to have the beans freshly ground.... How fresh are we talking about? If I ground my coffee at home , put it in a jar and bring with me to work ( so it'll be like 2-3 hours later until I actually brew it) will the ground be too old , and not be able to make a good espresso with crema ?

[@carlesmiquel]

I absolutely loved the contents. Sadly, my tastebuds cannot distinguish these subtleties if I'm not doing a blind taste. My deepest respects to your perfect senses!

[@KyleRowsell]

By no means perfect but thanks!

[@carlesmiquel]

@@KyleRowsell for most people, it’s impossible to even figure out what we’re talking about. And its subjective component is huge, so… great content/reviews/style/opinions!

[@arianyazdannik968]

Fascinating. The blind tasting in the end of video was also spot on

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks Arian!

[@viavelum]

Hi Kyle! Thanks for that comparison video! It would have been interesting though if you had done an espresso tasting comparison on top of a cupping comparison.

[@greggeis918]

That sound is a no go on the Arco when there are other good options. Still stuck between the Niche and Lagom. One thing I’d like to see is the speed of them in espressos. In my head the Niche turns out a typical 18g shot in like 25-30s without any hiccups and the Lagom gets through most beans fine but on the weak side in like 45-50s. Just can’t get over that it seems like it’s on the struggle side for an every day personal grinder.

[@greggeis918]

@@ryanC8H10N4O2 well put. I need to find some friends with grinders. All the talk about bright floral juicy clarity of coffee sounds interesting but when I hear sweet full body chocolaty it just sounds awesome! As of now I’ve been using the built in Breville grinder, so whichever one I’m sure will be pleasurable from where I’m at. A DF64 was originally pretty high on my list, but I figured I’d start with a nice conical grinder since I have so far preferred cappuccinos and it just sounds like it goes better.

[@stevenr5149]

Nice effort from Arco. Might be a good option for people that don't mind noise. Way way too loud for me. Once I took the noise out of my morning coffee work-flow I could never go back.

[@camaperture8116]

Agreed about the noise but what I find truly unacceptable is beans getting clogged in the body and having to smack the side of the base to shake them loose. Even then I pull the grinder off to inspect all the beans have gone through and I just shouldn’t have to do that. Otherwise the hand grinding experience is really nice and the coffee tastes great.

[@averagefreak]

Nice one coming through with the review & comparison with the Niche & Lagom, you didn't disappoint ;) - so, I'll be honest & say that I've not used the dock on my Arco in the month I've had it, as I've been comparing it with the Comandante I have.. I did ask my partner if she was bothered by the noise of it should I use it in the morning - "Nope" was the answer, so life will be good in the future ;) Thanks again for your nicely balanced review, I think I made the right choice.

[@KyleRowsell]

My pleasure! Glad you enjoyed it. Yes, the Arco is loud but it’s at least bearable. If you’ve heard a sette 270 - that grinder screams.

[@averagefreak]

@@KyleRowsell Yep, I think when I first looked at grinders, I did look at the Baratza grinders and was slightly unnerved by the sounds they made.. so, reminded by your excellent video that the dock is motorised and not just to hold the grinder when not in use, I had a go at using it today, first attempt loading the grinder with beans as if I was about to hand-grind, second attempt loading the beans through the dock but forgetting to attach the catcher - I think this is going to take a while to appreciate...

[@JesperH931]

I think I would choose the Niche (at least in my current situation) to give me a grinder able to pull really nice, textured, and chocolaty espressos. Great video as always, looking forward to the next one!

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks Jesper!

[@i3kel]

I think the delivery delays is a big red flag for the arco. I figure my choices are the sptk and the niche for mainly filter and occasional espresso.

[@KyleRowsell]

Yeah I understand that. That being said many kickstarters are heavily delayed. Look at the fellow ode 😔

[@HectorMartinez-xv4re]

I have a fellow ode for pour over and a 1zpresso JXPro for espresso and for PO when I go camping. I can sell both and just get the arco so it can do it all!

[@orrinbelcher6593]

Really fun and informative review, appreciate the noise test, the blind taste test, superbly done For grind size consistency in cupping, do use the Kruve Sifter, or visual ?

[@simply_psi]

An interesting view point your one of the few reviewers I've seen so far to like the Arco most feel the bad outweighs the good, this was especially ofninterest to me as this was one of my 3 way choices I made a while back that was to back the Arco, jump on a massive wait list for a Niche (those are much shorter now) or back the Kopi Deva, I made a real gamble and backed the Kopi Deva, which had no coffee history behind it al all, I'm so glad I did the difference in price here in the UK is around £450 for the Arco, £500 for the Niche and £564 for the Kopi Deva, for that I got 64mm flat super jolly burrs, variable rpm from pretty much zero to 1500 rpm and the build is stunning. But in the meantime I have also bought a Logom Mini and a Turin SP40 and I do like all 3 grinders. I thin Looking at the cost and quality I would have been disappointed with hhe Arco, one concer is the plastic test lock for attaching the grinder to the electric base to me it looks like that will wear badly with use and eventually be unable to hold the grinder in place, it is noisy which makes me feel the motor is underpowered. A great idea that during the time it has taken Goat Story to develop it had been overtaken by other grinders on tbe market like the Logom Mini and the SPTK-38G, I still think the best way to go is get separate hand grinders and electric ones. Anyway I've rambled on way too much.

[@KyleRowsell]

Yeah, I enjoy it. I’ve also used dozens and dozens of grinders so I know what a bad grinder looks and feels like. This ain’t one. But it’s FAR from perfect. But I can see why some would like it!

[@simply_psi]

@@KyleRowsell I think your honesty is so refreshing it's easy to get pulled along with the crowd, it's certainly a grinders I'd be keen to try at some point.

[@KyleRowsell]

@@simply_psi thank you! And I hope you get to!

[@09areFish]

I have that blender. I wear hearing protection when I use it.

[@KyleRowsell]

It’s LOUD

[@Victor47930]

“Who is the Arco for?” Someone who lives alone and has noise canceling headphones 😂

[@t0m714]

Another super helpful video Kyle. I actually own these three grinders, although my Arco is yet to arrive so I haven’t been able to do the same comparative testing yet. The Arco was going to be my office/travel grinder option with the Niche staying as my home base grinder; but it took so long to deliver that I bought a Mini for the office and a Q2 for travel in the meantime! Now I’m trying to decide whether I’ll keep them all or not. I think I might end up just keeping the Arco as a larger capacity hand grinder for on the road; which seems like a bit of a waste, but I’m not sure I could put up with the noise? Perhaps I should sell it and buy a JMax? Great to see a blind cupping taste test, really appreciate the objectivity that it brings to your review. Would be nice to see the same with espresso, though more challenging to do in practice. Keep up the good work!

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for the kind words! Much appreciated!

[@t0m714]

@@KyleRowsell No worries, it's great seeing how much your channel has developed. I completely agree with your points re. workflow and the Niche. That's the one aspect of the Mini which I've been disappointed by so far - and that's partly because they decided to remove the numbers in the batch I recieved. Having said that it is unbeatable in terms of a fully functional portable electric grinder, and will be a lot easier to take away with me than the Niche has been!

[@mnabbott2015]

@T0m I’m curious to know what your thoughts are on the arco? I’m going to be buying one of these grinders soon. Currently, I’m doing more filter coffee and an occasional espresso.

[@t0m714]

@@mnabbott2015 Hi - I'm really enjoying thanks. I think they delivered a great product which is a fantastic all-rounder, even if it doesn't excel particularly in one area. I slightly prefer the espresso I get from the Niche, and the filter I get from the Lagom Mini - but, if I was only allowed to keep a single grinder, it might well be the Arco, just because it does everything well. I've been using it for both espresso and filter at work most week days for the last 6 months or so and the build quality and performance have been everything I'd hoped for - and I've never managed to stall it yet (despite using some very light roasts). It does need a good RDT to help reduce static, and if I had one complaint it's that the espresso range is quite small (which isn't unique to this grinder) but stepped adjustment means that you occasionally want to adjust between steps. Having said that the workflow is excellent (not quite as good as the Niche, but better than the Mini) and the numbered dial is well implemented. I've not had much call to use it in the manual form yet, but have every reason to think it'll perform very well there too. Hope that helps!

[@galat1a]

The arco for the kickstarter backers was a great deal. 250eur cannot be compared with the price of the other two grinders… for me the sound is not such a big deal and I have no static( if I spray water)

[@KyleRowsell]

Hey that’s fair

[@galat1a]

@@KyleRowsell great review btw.

[@KyleRowsell]

@@galat1a thanks!

[@clembert9370]

Hi, love your video man, I was waiting for this one, I actually purchased this grinder. I can't wait to receiving it but can you make a video about it, how to adjust the setting regarding the type of coffee, for espresso and filter, and how much clicks are needed to adjust the grind between hand and electric for the same result, ... Can't wait to hear more about it, I wish you a nice Day Man :)

[@KyleRowsell]

Hey! Thank you. I’m not likely to make a video that specific since this channel is fairly wide in audience but it’s hard to prescribe how many clicks as each coffee is widely different.

[@3Dante7]

Thats cool, but still waiting comparisson between comandante and arco, probably another hand grinders.Cheer's!

[@KyleRowsell]

Maybe in the future

[@lorenzdohrmann472]

The arco is also available as a handgrinder as well. Should you buy it over the very similar (1zpresso j-Max)? With an espresso focus but also the occasional filter coffee?

[@danteantonio6711]

Whould you go for Arco or c40 hand grinders for filter coffee, if u looking for sweetness and clarity ?

[@sergis5273]

Great video Kyle! Love your reviews! I am trying to step into espresso game and have a hard tame to decide on grinder. I will still do drip coffee besides espresso and I was wondering if your recommend Niche zero for that purpose. Thank you 🙏

[@KyleRowsell]

The niche is only ideal for both if you enjoy dairy in your filter. Otherwise I don’t always recommend. I’d recommend looking at other options. The niche is fantastic at espressk

[@sergis5273]

@@KyleRowsell Thanks for reply. Well, it’s Nightmare to look for a right one. Everyone gives different reviews and it’s really hard to pick the one that fits you well :(

[@rand9176]

Nice mate. Keep the blind tasting as an inclusion on any comparison videos I reckon! It’s great intel. If possible, a blind tasting on espresso shots would be great too - bit harder to execute I know but would be cool to see!

[@ondrejmitas3325]

Totally agree. I made the video both more useful, and more exciting to watch.

[@akramsaeed505]

Can you please review the Varia VS3 Grinder, and compare it with these other grinders and the Ode 2

[@JasonicAus]

Was the cup from the Arco from the mechanical grinder or from using the hand grinder? (the LIKE button has been tamped)

[@cussyrichards6121]

When is the SD40 grinder review coming? How does it compare to the Niche Zero?

[@KyleRowsell]

I try to take at least a month if not more for grinder reviews. It could be a few weeks more

[@philyb3883]

This is the comparison I’m most looking forward to! I just got an SD40 to go with my DF64 with SSP HU burrs, and I’m loving both.

[@KyleRowsell]

@@philyb3883 right on. Can’t wait to share more soon!

[@cussyrichards6121]

@@philyb3883 Are you noticing a significant difference between DF64 and SD40? Is one more clarity focused, and the other gives heavier texture or is there no discernable difference?

[@philyb3883]

@@cussyrichards6121 so I’ve only done a few cups with the sd40 since I just got it, but I’m getting some good tasting notes out of it and a bit more sweetness and body. The Df64 has more of a balanced taste overall but both tasted great. I think what I will eventually do with the df64 is change to the multipurpose burrs for more clarity so that there will be a more noticeable difference (since SSP HU burrs are more in between clarity and texture).

[@Ruarch]

What do you think would be better for espresso? I got a Flair 58 and drink 1-2 shots a day. I'm mostly between Lagom Mini and Sette 270 but can't decide.

[@rpinarreta]

As much as I liked the J-Max hand grinder I found I'm not a manual hand grinder guy. Still waiting for a Niche like large conical grinder. In the meantime sticking to my M.Major-E for espresso.

[@KyleRowsell]

Right on!

[@maartenromkes353]

I have a C40 and looking around for an electric grinder. I don't have a lot of kitchen space, so I have my eyes I on the mini for that

[@KyleRowsell]

It’s a great grinder

[@Rawprawned]

Informative review, many thanks

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for watching!

[@KristianMortensen]

Thanks for the great review

[@KyleRowsell]

My pleasure! I hope it was helpful.

[@krixxusjg7452]

Is the manual version worth it? I am looking for a hand grinder and the Arco is the same price as the Jx-Pro. How does it compare to the Jx-Pro?

[@cussyrichards6121]

Hey I noticed you have the Moonshine burrs in the Lagom Mini now... With the original Obsydian burrs, is the flavour profile pretty similar to the Niche Zero for espresso and pour-over (high texture and body) or is it still significantly more clarity-focussed?

[@sdw9342]

How did these compare to the Urbanic? I know it's flat burr, but when you say high clarity espresso in this review, is it still lower than that?

[@KyleRowsell]

Different segment being a flat burr but stay tuned for an in depth comparison

[@Dan_Mirai]

Well I guess I won't be trading in my Niche Zero. I do feel like Arco is made for a very specific person. I did wonder who needs a grinder that is electric and can be handgrinder. For me the Arco would be more compelling if it didn't sound like a $100 hoover vacuum. Sounds like the Arco has a nice set up burrs let's see it paired with a better motor.

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for the comment Don!

[@mihatest]

Another great video!

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks!

[@whosgonnadotcom]

Ok, but what's your daily driver? What are you using for your first coffee most days?

[@KyleRowsell]

Out of these three it would be the lagom mini

[@lakertime]

Like the sleeve on the dosing cup for the niche. Is that available for sale anywhere of your links?

[@KyleRowsell]

It’s not. It’s from a carpenter called trunk and stem

[@bradghaigh]

Nice review, still not sure why in a 3 point blind test you need to check what the last cup was if you've seen 2 isn't the third given?

[@greggeis918]

He described why he thought each taste belonged to each grinder which was helpful, and really thr takeaway.

[@KyleRowsell]

Haha I wanted to ensure I didn’t label two with the same name if honest, and I didn’t 😅

[@sammyrabbat384]

Are you able to get your hands on a skope motorizer? Would appreciate a comparison!

[@KyleRowsell]

Possible!

[@johanneslaudi6184]

that first few second made me think you're gonna compare that arco grinder with a vitamix.. haha

[@KyleRowsell]

Kinda did 😅

[@tobiasbouma4071]

Nice. So do you prefer the Lagom Mini over this or not? Or does it depend on the bean?

[@KyleRowsell]

Depends on use. For filter I prefer lagom mini. I also like the lagom appearance and build. But for espresso I’d likely lean towards the arco

[@robertjason6885]

Ya gotta tip those cups so we can see the L,A, N. OK, trust you….😏

[@thamtham4924]

My honest question, taste difference between these grinder are huge or just a glimpse of difference? I bought Comandante after so many research and once I get it to pair with Niche. The different in pour over coffee both made is so small that it really not worth the money if only consider taste.

[@KyleRowsell]

To me, it’s big. But this is my job. To most it may be harder to distinguish but still noticeable for sure

[@thamtham4924]

@@KyleRowsell thanks, so I need to develop my palette further to be able to tell.

[@mnicnc404]

Rather than its noisy motor, I think the true issue of ARCO is its much delayed and non-transparent delivery date.

[@KyleRowsell]

That is an issue and would be incredibly frustrating for those who’ve backed.

[@alessandrostoppini3263]

Hi Kyle, how many clicks to compensate electric and manual grinding?

[@KyleRowsell]

Truly depends on the coffee

[@markalfons2020]

Great vid as always. What's the best manual grinder around 150$? I was going for the Exagrind but having some manufacturing issues with my Picopresso showescreen and basket. So I'm not sure if the Exagrind will deliver. Any recommendations?

[@KyleRowsell]

I have a full video on this! Check out the grinders from 1Zpresso

[@markalfons2020]

@@KyleRowsell what about the Exagrind? Is it a good option in that price range?

[@KyleRowsell]

@@markalfons2020 I’m still testing it. Will share more in a video soon.

[@markburness5609]

How did you determine that the Arco was "50-60um finer" (do you mean the setting, or the grinds?) when hand grinding?

[@KyleRowsell]

Sifting

[@markburness5609]

@@KyleRowsell Thanks for the reply, which sifter has that kind of precision and which bit (% proportion) of the grind was that much finer?

[@erikfasnacht]

love my lagoom mini, wouldn't trade it for anything but a P64

[@KyleRowsell]

How about a p100?

[@BenNocella]

Hey Kyle. Where's that shirt from?

[@KyleRowsell]

Luminous coffee

[@senneverschooten6313]

What do you mean with clarity? How does it taste?

[@KyleRowsell]

I talk about this at the end of my 4:6 method video

[@senneverschooten6313]

@@KyleRowsell I understand it, thenks!

[@KyleRowsell]

@@senneverschooten6313 awesome!

[@RaymondwLin]

Travelling is an excuse to explore the local coffee shop scenes. I'd take the Niche (and have) and save luggage space for something else.

[@KyleRowsell]

To each their own!

[@klarawk]

Alt Title: Kitchen Tap vs Portal Turret & Minecraft Villager

[@toto408]

I think this grinder is also very appealing for someone who wants good expresso without a big grinder taking all the room in the kitchen. The lagom mini might be a bit weak to address this market

[@KyleRowsell]

sure! Lagom mini is capable of espresso! They’ve addressed the staling issues

[@jonathancunningham2793]

still twiddling my thumbs waiting for mine to ship....

[@KyleRowsell]

You’re not the only one. I hope they ship soon.

[@ezer0923]

Interesting

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for watching.

[@alvinho565]

Arco actually did not bothered by how loud it’d be is next level disrespect to all the backers

[@KyleRowsell]

Nah I’m sure they care. They’re good people. But nothing is perfect

[@notme123123]

If you were not a coffee KZbinr, how many grinders would you own?

[@KyleRowsell]

Lol. This is a great question. Probably still too many.

[@zuuzuka]

Love the design but it's really too loud. Wait for V2.

[@KyleRowsell]

Hopefully it’s addressed! As it would truly be a wonderful grinder

[@zuuzuka]

@@KyleRowsell For a person who's living in a apartment really can not use ARCO after 10 pm.

[@drevil2675]

Goat story Arco is not worth at that price range. The grinder quality is very mediocre. Honestly, I was pretty disappointed with Arco when I saw it.

[@user-xr8ft8zz1b]

Thanks. The Arco is much faster than the lagom mini. I think it is important but you didn't mentioned it.

[@KyleRowsell]

Yes it is!

[@machtschnell7452]

What the hell are you reviewing? Impossible to tell from the title.

[@KyleRowsell]

Why’s that?

[@jeholloway2]

Both sound weak.

[@KyleRowsell]

Both what?

[@jeholloway2]

Both grinders that you were discussing not the niche. Their motors sounded like they were weak.

[@KyleRowsell]

@@jeholloway2 they are weaker.

[@NeverTakeNoShortcuts]

Take your hat off

[@renatoa]

It's a non-sense compare, Arco it's a grinder class by itself, and unique so far.

[@KyleRowsell]

Okay. Thanks for watching.