God of War Ragnarok: A Disaster Disguised as a Masterpiece - Critique & Analysis

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Ultimately, I don't hate this game, I actually really do appreciate lots of it, and in a general consumer sense I'd say I had a good time with it, it concluded well and was maybe they best they could've done under the circumstances... But that's my totally uncritical take, if a "take" is all you're looking for. If you're looking for a real deep dive into what this game did and didn't do on a very critical level then join me for this video.
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Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro (Justifying myself because I'm deeply insecure)
04:44 - Intermission
05:54 - Why am I making this?
08:43 - Part 1: Things I Like (The actual video starts here haters)
11:54 - Part 2: Two for One, Isn't Always a Good Deal
37:48 - Part 3: The Crux of Prophecy
42:06 - Part 3(i) - Giants Prophecy
45:41 - Part 3(ii) - The Norns
48:38 - Part 3(iii) - What Does Faye Want?
53:25 - Part 3(iv) - They Changed the Mural... Why?
55:07 - Part 3(v) - Did They Change Fate, or Not?
59:18 - Paying the bills
1:00:55 - Part 4: The Writing
1:37:02 - Part 5: Exploring The Nine Realms
1:54:13 - Part 6: The Gameplay
2:08:33 - Conclusion
2:11:55 - Thanks for watching!
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#GodOfWarRagnarok #Critique #Analysis

[@LazerzZ]

Go to expressvpn.com/lazerzz and find out how you can get 3 months of ExpressVPN free! Ultimately, I don't hate this game, I actually really do appreciate lots of it, and in a general consumer sense I'd say I had a good time with it, it concluded well and was maybe they best they could've done under the circumstances... But that's my totally uncritical take, if a "take" is all you're looking for. If you're looking for a real deep dive into what this game did and didn't do on a very critical level then join me for this video. (Timestamps in the description).

[@Amazin59]

😔😔

[@Helldive713]

Do a 2 hour video for the 2018 game to because u can find alot of things wrong with that one as well in story and combat even more than ragnarok if u want to criticize a sequel do one for the first game

[@lewispooper3138]

God of bore is inferior to elden ring

[@lewispooper3138]

@@frogglen6350 it has a 96 You should’ve seen the Sony fanboys sending death threats to elden chads when that trash lost goty to elden goat 😂

[@Helldive713]

@@lewispooper3138 losing goty to elden ring does not make other games trash elden ring is one of the greatest games ever made thats the kind of game u want to lose to I don’t think any game ever would of beat elden ring for goty

[@Rakka5]

The part at the start that states "it's getting harder to critique each year because people make franchises their entire personality" is painfully true and can be seen in these very comments.

[@Rakka5]

@@frogglen6350 I'd bet a large sum of money that you didn't even watch the video

[@DonovanGG__]

@@Rakka5 if you’re spending 2 hours trying to pick at such tiny straws so specifically in order to explain why a game isn’t as good as people say…. Chances are, the game is as good as everyone says. Lol.

[@Gungrave123]

@@DonovanGG__ The game is shit tho. What now, Snoycel?

[@DonovanGG__]

@@Gungrave123 just a Xbot coping lol. Why aren’t you playing Redfall right now man??? Heard that game is fantastic!🤭 and I have a lot of faith in Starfield. Those guys at Bethesda know what they’re doing. Lol

[@GainghisKhan]

Yeah, the chat comments are hilarious. You gotta love the people that pop in just to spout some vague platitudes about criticism to invalidate other people's opinions.

[@enriquer.6933]

My main issue with the game is that Kratos never really is in any "danger" from the prophecy that has been announced since 2018.

[@WannabeShady90]

Wouldn't it have been kinda cool if Kratos tried to break out of Wiking hell?

[@believer1056]

@@WannabeShady90isn’t helheim exactly that in that game

[@WannabeShady90]

@@believer1056 I don't know. I've only played the first game so far.

[@believer1056]

@@WannabeShady90 ok don’t spoil yourself, I can’t enjoy ragnarok cuz I got spoiled before I’ve even played 😭

[@chapman2001]

@@believer1056 you can still enjoy it

[@SSJKDotsSanctum]

My biggest issue is the Norse Pantheon being such a downgrade of antagonist compared to the Greek Gods. Took only two games for Kratos to deal with this mid pantheon of gods, but the action choreography was smooth though. The fight with Zeus was way more grand compared to the Odin fight

[@E.G.I.L.3D]

Bc this story is about relationships between ppl in families. It`s very character based so they had to bring the number of characters compared to the original trilogy

[@SSJKDotsSanctum]

@E.G.I.L. 3D That is not a good reason to give us some antagonists that are weaker than the previous trilogy antagonists.

[@lordiblees]

@@SSJKDotsSanctum Exactly. People justifying the lame ass action sequences in a franchise literally known for its grand spectacle and scale with reasons like "but it's character driven and there's growth". Every piece of modern fiction is so obsessed with this idea of faux growth. Every character needs a sob backstory to feel "relatable". Well no. I'm playing a game of Gods. I'll expect something bold in writing and world-shaking in presentation. Ragnarok failed massively on both accounts. Gow 3 was a bigger ragnarok than Ragnarok ever was.

[@richardanderson8107]

@@lordiblees Honestly as fun as the mechanics of GoW 3 were it was far less imaginative with its characters. Its Greek Pantheon were basically predictable caricatures of those gods, especially in 3, they were cardboard cutouts for the most part. That was okay for that game, but the greek gods were only memorable for the mechanics of their fights, not as actual characters. I don't think Ragnarok was perfect by any means, but I'd take its more creative and fleshed out approach to characters over the caricatures in the first trilogy, they wouldn't have worked well in these new games at all. If it had been 3 games rather than 2 there likely would have been more spectacle but Ragnarok was unquestionably full of some crazy big action set pieces. I'm glad they strived something new, and moving to a new thing always means something is gained and lost.

[@lordiblees]

@@richardanderson8107 I respect your opinion even though I disagree with it. I don't think the characters in Greek trilogy had remarkably good writing. But each game had a central theme which the narrative was built around. In the new GoW, so many plotlines were abandoned and many things existed without serving a larger narrative purpose. Fenrir, Surtr, the Mask, Freyr, and most importantly Jormungandr who was wasted so bad. If you take out these elements out of the game (and many more I'm forgetting), the story we're given would still be there. That's because there's no causal relationship tying everything together into a neat cohesive whole. They're just there to be there. I didn't mean that characters should've been made superficial. I'm all for nuance and depth and frankly, Ragnarok tries hard to do that but fails because it's a game that crumbles under its own weight. In the original trilogy, you at least had a payoff. It may have been shallow but it wasn't directionless. I'd personally take straightforward storytelling over the directionless and narratively vapid mess that is Ragnarok.

[@TheUltimoSniper]

Ragnarok felt... Anti-clamactic. Before I felt it was because the "war" itself was so small and short, but your video made these feelings make more sense: The story had no room to breathe, so I was rushed all the way until the end only to realize... That was it? I was being trained to expect story beat after story beat being _beaten_ into my head with no subtlety, even within the optional side content, that finally hitting the end left it feeling empty.

[@cesarpedrazamartinezgarcia725]

Let me just say dude. Straight up, first things first. WHY DOES IT FEEL SO MUCH LIKE A MARVEL MOVIE HOLY S

[@LazerzZ]

Hahaha the more time that passes the more I wonder this 😭

[@prettyboyg1278]

Because light hearted Marvel writing and humor is beloved by the mainstream audience, that the GoW reboot clearly wants to cater to. It was already present in the first game, but they turned it up a notch in Ragnarok.

[@JohnWall-lj1mx]

Atreus is basically Tom Holland spider man in this game and it’s cringe

[@silverprimus321boi9]

Sweet baby Inc.

[@avrivah1101]

Activists.

[@molsen7549]

Watching this is painful, because it makes me think of how amazing a well-executed trilogy would have been.

[@aristonaragao3171]

This bro. Fucking this. I get so pissed just thinking about the disappointment again... Gow 2018 managed to deliver greatness with very little from the mythology, they made their universe which was small, much bigger, grander and richer. Ragnarok had it all from the mythology and delivered jackshit...

[@molsen7549]

@@aristonaragao3171 What would be even worse is if we actually did get the Atreus game that people speculate about. They cut GoW short cuz they didn't want to spend 15 years on a trilogy, but if they make an Atreus game, they will have spent 15 years on it anyways 💀.

[@ltgames9742]

​@@molsen7549Bro, you are spot on.

[@srgdawgface1518]

No not really, if it was split up people would feel blueballed as hell. There is no good place to end this game besides the ending that was given. Waiting for ragnarok for a third game would feel like we were all lied to. Its not rushed at all the game gives you so many times to chill and explore, this game is so long. I think lazzerz is pushing his own expectations for the narrative. Now the franchise has a lot of potential for the next entry and if we have to wait a long time for that I don't see the issue. The god of war series is at a good stop point.

[@srgdawgface1518]

@@aristonaragao3171 explain how it delivered jack shit

[@Finn_DeGreef]

After finishing the game for the first time, I just felt empty. I’d been waiting for this game for 4 years and it just didn’t sit right with me.

[@dylan6996]

I got so bored while playing it and so didn't enjoy the gameplay that I couldn't finish it and it wasn't based on difficulty I just genuinely did not enjoy the game play, it felt off and the bosses I fought we're pretty lame to me ive liked the gow franchises for a long time I remember playing all the them and the fourth was pretty nice to me also but this one was not it I didn't like a lot of parts of the story because of how boring they were and the good ones didn't outweigh the bad ones enough for me to want to keep playing it. I genuinely felt like it was a waste of time and money and its the first time this has happened to me with a gow game and just like this dude said I gave it a try, I wanted to like it really bad because I've loved gow ever since I was young but I just couldn't find any enjoyment from this one and I'm glad some I'm not the only one that feels this way and as for the ones who DID enjoy it well good for them at least to then it won't have ruined their gow experience like it did for me

[@MatteoGhio05]

​@@dylan6996Exactly I waited 4 years to see the fucking Ragnarok, the war across the realms.... And then I obtain a 20 min segment with lazy boss design.

[@MLittleBrony]

Freya: "Hey Kratos, want a glass of water?" Kratos: "Water...I crossed over water before I KILLED MY OWN FAMILY!!!"

[@diccchocolate416]

This will be a good comments section

[@anthonyworstell3768]

Agreed.

[@firepenguin38]

These are all fair criticisms

[@Amazin59]

​@@anthonyworstell3768 😏😏

[@Amazin59]

​@@anthonyworstell3768 😏

[@Amazin59]

​ 😭😏😭

[@KaptainKuba]

This is the best God of War Ragnarok critique I've seen. You explained why I was disapointed with the game so much better than I ever could

[@jackhauf]

Oh well if it isn't the *KAPN ASS KZbinR* 🤣 so... stole any smaller content creators videos this weekend?

[@ihateshills]

Wheres ur review of ragnarok bro? Like a real review. A review like this one. I unsubbed from jon ford bc he shills for ragnarok like no other. Glad u dont shill like he does.

[@lovethewaves]

​@@jackhauf Then after he was called out (by his own subs i might add) he changes the thumbnail. What a 🤡🤡🤡 reddit called him Kapn ass youtuber. 🤷🏻🤣🤣🤣

[@ihateshills]

@God Incarnate seriously tho bro. That man boot licks to infinity and beyond. 😂 he turned off his comments on his part 1 playthrough bc ppl were exposing that his reaction was fake. He literally quoted thor telling kratos "i say when were done" 😬😬😬 it was some of the most cringe shit ever! 😂😂 i got 2nd hand embarrassment from watching.

[@godofwarguy9865]

Oh look at u. This isn't your comment section so u cant hide my comment this time. You took CookingKratos video then created generic, regurgitated, bad faith arguments to make your video look original. Example: "odin throws his raven but not to distract freya" "listen to how odin says NO when mugin dies" WHAT!?!? 🤦🤦🤦 maaaaaan *GeeeeeeeeeTFOH!* You know thats KAP! KAP! The least u could have done was give cooking kratos credit. You Kapn ass youtuber

[@lucygp7379]

It makes so much sense that it was meant to be a trilogy. I played God of War Ragnarok right after I finished God of War (2018) and also felt like there was too much going on compared to how streamlined the first game was. While Ragnarok had some really great moments, it sad to think that we missed out on what could have been a masterpiece of a trilogy. Anyway, really great analysis, definitely looking forward to watching more of your critique videos!

[@carancole5974]

The first one was mid too

[@Horvath_Gabor]

I would't say "streamlined", but rather "condensed", and not always in a good way. It's the most visible when it comes to Atreus's arc. His development is rushed to the point that even the "normies" who don't really analyze their media could feel it, with him going power-crazy once he learns he's a god, gets hit by the backlash of his own hubris, and then learns from his mistakes in the span of a few in-universe hours. You can practically see the seams where all the connecting tissue between these character beats were ripped out, leading to a terribly paced and unrealistic arc, especially in comparison to the slow burn of the first half of the game. Last I've heard, it was one of those "development hell" situations, where the issue became visible too late in the dev cycle, and they couldn't fix it, but knowing why there's dog poop on the soles of your feet doesn't make it any less stinky.

[@chapman2001]

@@Horvath_Gabor definitely wasn’t condensed

[@semusnation]

​@@carancole5974damn a nigga can't enjoy shit huh 😅

[@chapman2001]

No it doesn’t

[@RedStickInc]

The Freya and Kratos conversation in the first vanaheim visit where they just try to out trauma dump the other is unintentionally so funny

[@JohnWall-lj1mx]

Half expected them to hook up after they finished trauma dumping on each other for the entire mission

[@gurnoorsekhon6402]

It was so shit. I never thought they would actually shit on the past of Kratos like that. The biggest point of who Kratos is as a person was used as a passing conversation.

[@ValentinoMarino11]

@@gurnoorsekhon6402Everything that involves the past in this game is so under the covers, I hate it.

[@p5rsona]

"be grateful you have a home to remember fondly, i killed my own family bitch"

[@Morfe02]

Yeah is funny because Kratos tells about how he kinda kills all his family but Freya is more "sad" because she emmm is a woman? I Lost my brother, i fight my Monster mother and kill my daughter and wife Yeah but i Loss more ! Literally

[@ZirSarge]

It's a shame this game gets worse the more you think about it. Imagine if it was a fully fleshed trilogy.

[@tigeroyer7789]

Truly, I was so disappointed with it. The first game is so well written and paced. It left so many possibilities for the second game and none of them were ever conceived. It’s a shame that one half of the series is so perfectly accomplished and the other is just a failed monstrosity of a game that couldn’t accomplish or build upon what the made the first game so good. I was genuinely pissed when the credits rolled in Midgard with the score playing in the background. I could only think of how the score doesn’t deserve to be played with this game, it deserves better. Walking down the hill after it ended with the beautiful music playing in the back was one of the most disappointing moments of my entire life, every aspect of this game was amazing except for the direction and writing.

[@olivier4916]

@@tigeroyer7789i don’t have an issue with the story it may not be so good but I don’t think is that bad either my biggest upset are the god fights I was hoping for a bad ass heimdall fight a spectacular Thor fight a glorious Odin fight and a legendary ragnarok war but no instead we got lazy boring ugly design boss battles this game had the potential to be the best in the series why barlog why you left us😭

[@gonhunter3994]

It honestly could have worked as a duology, Ragnarok should've been 40 or 50 hours for the base game.

[@S.O.A_Zero]

The game is a 10/10 for me, the problem is not the entire game It's the ending. We're talking about the goddamn Ragnarok, so obviously everything before was used to build up hype for the coming of it. The problem is that they made everything in the game so good, that they probably ran out of budget for the ending. Just think about how good the first fight against Thor was, and compare it to the second... As y'all already said, the writing is terrible, the bossfights are the most disappointing thing on the face of the planet, the atmosphere of the Ragnarok was non existent.

[@ryanj5658]

Ragnarok should've had the villains as Heimdall and Thor and the third game should've been just Odin as the villain.

[@connorreid3961]

I realized about a week after I played the game that for most of it I was just going along with it because it was the new GOW and I needed to play it. I wasn't really interested in where the story was going most of the time and was only really hooked in at the first and last 3 hours. It's disappointing because I don't think the core game play systems are bad by anymeans, it's just that the characters felt like they were in a filler episode of TV 80 percent of the time. This game didn't leave me with any strong feelings, not love, not hate, not admiration, nothing.

[@wiseguygr]

I felt exactly the same thing, you described it better than I could. Like I really just went along with it after the first 2 hours because it was the new GoW game and I had to play it because I was so excited for it and waited so much time. Also combined with all the hype and unanswered questions the 2018 gave me. Plus I totally agree with the second part of your comment, the small number of characters on 2018 all felt carefully written, designed and meaningful, while in Ragnarok it was like watching a TV show with an overflow of poor quality characters coming on the scene with no clear set target.

[@chapman2001]

The characters are some of the best in gaming

[@36090pburke]

I agree man ironwood almost broke me lol if it wasn't for the side quests and the strong ending i would've hated this game. I pretty much hated every Atreus mission

[@architdewan6717]

@@36090pburkeironwood was paced badly but Tht doesn’t mean Atreus sections were bad lol, the combat for Atreus was surprisingly really good, the narrative was also strong meeting Heimdall and how Odin was able to manipulate him

[@Dravianpn02]

Because it's rushed, shallow and formulaic to the point of IP hijacking to make money by appealing to the lowest common denominator of gamer and children.

[@partymantis3421]

it makes so much sense that this was at first intended to be a trillogy (the norse trillogy we could have called it) if they had split the first half into "GOW: Fimbulvetur" and focused on Thor as the rival to Kratos , with Atreus & Kratos spliting, THEN would have made "GOW: Ragnarök" propper with Atreus & Odin being the main conflict , then father & son reconcile! i enjoyed it in the end but it feels so compressed . Great feature length critique man, Kudos

[@dedf15]

My favorite part of Kratos' journey was not the end, but the part where Atreus yells at him "you never wanted to do this with me" and Kratos said "and yet I'm still here". Is deeper than they may have meant

[@Skullspidey]

This was a great watch. While I disagree with some points, I think this video conceptually really hits the nail on the head. While playing this game it felt off and rushed despite it taking me 40~ hours to 100%. It was at war with itself and you described a lot of why it felt that way and articulated the points great.

[@LazerzZ]

Thank you! I really appreciate it, I loved working on this video a lot, still very proud of the product.

[@zzodysseuszz]

Geez what have I been doing lol I’m 59 hours in and only just now got the tyr reveal

[@frederickdawson2253]

@@zzodysseuszz enjoy the ride imo

[@pysky4u]

I believe the actual “Ragnarok” event should’ve been its own game and they should’ve just called this one “GOW fimbulwinter”. IMO, that gives them to opportunity to really flesh out the building blocks.

[@jman2001jt]

I agree with a lot of points in this video, but one thing I don’t see too many people bring up is how miserable actually traversing the world is. People usually complain about the slow transitions where you need to crawl under or through something, and those ARE awful, but there’s also the incredibly slow and restrictive climbing and super narrow paths. With how twisty and maze-like the levels can be, especially in Vanaheim and the Applecore, these issues are only exasperated. Slowly clambering your way around the environment feels so much worse when you realize you accidentally went the wrong way and need to backtrack through it all again. To be fair, GOW 2018 had many of these issues too, but it was made less painful there due to much better pacing and less obtuse design.

[@nomorepartiezz]

100%ing vanaheim made me want to bash my skull in

[@nomorepartiezz]

@@frogglen6350 ive beaten every single one. even with the worst areas like blighttown they still somehow are less of a pain to navigate. but thanks for the input lil dude

[@dinodudeface6551]

​@@nomorepartiezz That's just goofy. If you find vanaheim to be a bigger problem than blightown you have personal issues with the game

[@beanboy1110]

@@nomorepartiezz i think you just don’t like god of war then 💀💀

[@beanboy1110]

gowr had better traversal tho..

[@1CursedXD1]

Ironwood was like pulling teeth to get through and shouldn’t have been glossed over so quickly

[@kopottrobot]

The reception of this game just truly shocks me. The entire planet claims that it's a timeless masterpiece, a flawless sequel, the 2022 GOTY, the best Sony game and so on, yet everywhere I look, the player base agrees on lots of issues. We hated the Ironwood chapter, the minibosses were overused, recycled and disappointing, the pacing is off, and these are just the top examples. So if that many of us found these problems serious, why are people still having this 10/10 discussion online? I just don't get it. It's a solid game but people are so blinded by hype it physically hurts sometimes.

[@TheWazzoGames]

I feel like the presentation and performances are a huge reason why. All of those things are on par with the 2018 game, and it makes people believe that the narrative quality is on par with that game too.

[@kopottrobot]

That makes a lot of sense actually. It's also important to note that Sony heavily relies on an entirely new player base since the eclipse of the PS4 era, with all the remakes/remasters and soft reboots. Therefore, lots of people who are entirely new to videogames will be presented with these titles as introduction to the medium, and they might rate it way higher than experienced players who saw some aspects executed better in other titles. (No shade on new gamers tho)

[@yellowcard8100]

@@kopottrobot It's fresh in people's mind. Overall the game is executed well, with very few issues mechanically with some high points. But give it a year or more and people will leave their honeymoon phase and look more indepth.

[@AaronBiswas]

​@@yellowcard8100My Original rating for Ragnarok was 8/10 it's a good game but not a masterpiece as 2018 was but with valhalla dlc I think it becomes a solid 9/10.

[@crest_o_razors]

@@AaronBiswasYeah, my rating is around a 9-9.5/10. Aside from the other characters spoiling the puzzles, Kratos not going after Atreus after he barged through the door to run away which is probably my only issue with the writing, some questions remaining unanswered like the mask, the pacing towards the end being a bit rushed, and the Berserker fights not being as enjoyable as the Valkyrie fights in the 2018, it’s still pretty great, just a kinda flawed masterpiece. It’s not as good as Red Dead 2 or Nier Automata, but I love it.

[@brianhardy3759]

I knew he didn't like it but calling it a disaster was unexpected 💀 I will enjoy this video

[@samuelesquivel6202]

I know right, I wonder whats his thoughts about tlou2🤷‍♂️

[@brianhardy3759]

@@samuelesquivel6202 tlou2 clears Ragnarok tho

[@samuelesquivel6202]

@@brianhardy3759 what u mean with clears?

[@pepelechad536]

@@samuelesquivel6202 who knows, maybe you should watch his video about it

[@DsgSleazy]

​@@samuelesquivel6202It means he's a troll because as diverse as this earth is, and as good of a game tlou2 was, no real person would hold that opinion.

[@dutchmccutch615]

I personally liked gow2018 better in my opinion. It just seemed so much bigger and the story was excellent. Ragnarok was good but not as good as the one before it.

[@Warona.Gaanakgomo]

Facts

[@superjlk_9538]

GoW was designed as part 1 of a trilogy. A lot changed before Ragnarok went into production so part 1 feels way more fleshed out. I still like part 2 though

[@Scythera99]

Both of them are garbage and should be disposed, as should you.

[@ButchyCantYouSee]

i like both

[@ellobo3175]

About the horn: I think there's a huge plot hole. There are a total of two occasions on which Mimir converses with Jörmungandr. The first conversation takes place right before searching for the chisel. The second conversation takes place before searching for Mimir's missing eye. The horn gets blown between those two conversations. Why in Hel (yes, pun intended) didn't Mimir ask Jörmungandr who blew the horn on their second conversation??? That would've been the perfect opportunity!

[@sugimation8575]

Just play them back to back and it’s painfully obvious how much better the first one is on a direction level.

[@Boethion]

Late reply but I agree, I like to compare it to Star Wars in that Force Awakens (Gow 2018) was good and had a lot of potential for the future and then they released TLJ (Ragnarok) and threw all that setup out the window and didnt know what the fuck they really wanted. Its like a whole other studio took over or something.

[@wingsoffreedom3589]

I felt like I was going crazy that this game was no way near as good as everyone kept telling me.

[@thonato295]

that's how I felt w elden ring

[@wingsoffreedom3589]

@@thonato295 I've literally just started that game I hope it's not a waste of time.

[@nomorepartiezz]

@@wingsoffreedom3589 i loved elden ring but i do think its a little too big and a little too long. how much value you get out of it will probably depend on how experienced you are with fromsoft games or if you arent, how open minded you are to a game that doesn’t hold your hand and wants you to learn how to overcome its obstacles on your own

[@Spoopy_man]

​@@wingsoffreedom3589 Well Elden Ring is a whole different beast, i think it's perfect but not for everyone, hell i will don't even recommend it to my friends.

[@wingsoffreedom3589]

@@nomorepartiezz it's my first soulsbourne type game ever I just got out of the tunnel into the open world and I have no idea what to do from here.

[@explainDis]

Also, another issue with your video I wanted to add was that you really mixup what subtext and disclosure is. Kratos openly discussing his trauma and past with Freya is a direct result of what he feels he owes her. She saved atreus from an incurable illness and so, in his new role as a guardian figure, he feels he can disclose his past. Its a huge mark of his progress as a person and should not go understated.

[@leaqwa4812]

I feel like james perspective on writing is too much informed from what you learn in creative writing in english. It’s like he just learnt about “show don’t tell” and is now just applying that rule everywhere while massively ignoring context

[@blakeduckly2875]

​@LEAQWA "Show don't tell is an amazing technique, but at some point, the actors need to speak." -my creative writing/theater teacher.

[@explainDis]

@@leaqwa4812 Thank you. Couldn’t agree more. Its unfortunate really.

[@lopeshick9607]

I had issues with the direction they went with Odin and Thor and the overall final act of the game. But Yeah I felt the stuff between Kratos/Atreus and Kratos/Freya were top notch. These dialogues in vanaheim do take you back specially if you played the old games a long time ago, but not in a cheap, nostalgia-bait way, they do feel earned for the reasons you mentioned.

[@sid__9433]

Its not fitting to Kratos’s character. Him openly discussing that he killed his family, it just wouldn’t happen.

[@crypto40]

The only thing I really couldn’t stand about this game was the war. All game long we hear kratos refusing to take his son to war and by the time it happens it’s like a 15 min segment with scripted events. Imagine if when Thor vs the snake (not even gonna attempt to spell his name) came crashing down and opening up diffrent paths for you traverse to Odin. It felt so rushed when they had an endless possibly with it but they went the most boring and safest route imo. They could have made it so much better,forced us to witness the death around us have kratos take charge and push the front line while we move over to Loki and have him do something complete different on a diffrent part of the battle then they come together towards a second or third stage of the Odin fight showing kratos that his son truly is strong enough to go on his own. I really liked this game I played it 5-6 times but everytime I get to what was lead of the whole story it was a huge letdown.

[@prettyboyg1278]

Everything about the Ragnarok war was rushed. The event "Ragnarok" needed to happen throughout a whole game, so you could really feel it's significance in the grand scheme of things. Not only the last 30 min of a 26 hours long game.

[@Blazegraze12]

My main issue with GOW is that the Norse Gods just don't come across as gods compared with the Greek ones but at most demi-gods, even Freya and Odin who display the highest levels of power don't seem like gods but more like sorcerers.

[@dontbothertoreply9755]

yup just random hobos.

[@drvictorvondooooom103]

They weren’t supposed to be portrayed that way. They also can’t anyways because god of war 4 and 5 are more slowed pace. The charcters don’t have to be destroying everything every time they walk to prove there powerful.

[@belodrin3550]

​@@drvictorvondooooom103almost like people don't like interpretations of mythos.

[@drvictorvondooooom103]

@@belodrin3550 what I’m sayin

[@ValorDucky]

As I was playing Vanaheim, I actually got really invested with the dialogue between Freya and Kratos. As a player, we likely feel how Atreus feels about her as he desperately wants to set things right. He even goes alone to visit her, knowing well that it puts him into danger. Kratos knows she's important to him. Then we get to the Vanaheim section. Kratos and Freya must work together and tensions are very high at first. Freya is still full of emotion and could snap at any moment. Kratos, knowing what's going on with her and owing a great debt to her for saving his son, starts to explain his past to her. As a player, we of course know all this, but Freya was genuinely surprised by some of things he says. As I ventured further into Vanaheim, tension was lessening as both characters are opening up. I thought it was well done. It wouldn't make sense if she decided to kill Kratos as suggested in this video. Atreus' reaction (or lack thereof) to her being at Sindri's house was very disappointing though. Just acknowledged in a throwaway line while in Asgard.

[@FierceDeity35]

Why? Atreus is clearly a selfish, rude, arrogant little shit, always fighting others at every turn. He doesn't care about her, especially when his own interests are forming. He sought her out only to have an ally and to "rebel" against kratos. If atreus slowed down, thought things out and communicated about what he knew he may wake up. Or better yet, atreus may ask how Freya was.

[@noname_noname_]

ok

[@mione12gft71]

I don't think the freya's moment was done well. She keeps saying "shut up, man" and then it seems like they're a team, but she's only in it for odin, but then in the end she says they're family Like, whaaaaaaat. There's isn't even a development on that, it's just thrown on the story

[@JordanR]

All tied up in an hour. How convenient for the plot.

[@Insp.CountMortisWinshipKlaw]

I'm finding this game really really boring. Same thing over and over. I'm only enjoying it when I'm in my wee canoe

[@e-scope]

The point you made about side quests at 27:30 and throughout Part 5 are points I highly disagree with, the side quests in Ragnarök also add to the story, there’s even a line of dialogue in Aelfihiem where Mimir points out that Kratos is doing all of these side activities as a way to spend more time with Atreus while he can (before his prophesied death). Kratos as well as the player know that this can’t last forever, Kratos and Atreus will be separated somehow, so Kratos wants to spend time with Atreus doing what he enjoys, helping others and exploring realms, which is exactly what the side content is. You as a player are rewarded with both loot, but also seeing the relationship these three have grown to have, while it still lasts.

[@tigeroyer7789]

Guess you didn’t watch the whole video, he brings up that specific line of dialogue

[@Wanteyt]

@Tigeroyer he probably Commeted when he heard it. Leave bro alone

[@e-scope]

@@Wanteyt yeah that’s what happened, I wrote the comment when I was only a half hour in, then edited it to mention Part 5. While he does bring up that line of dialogue he kinda just dismisses it as an “excuse” which isn’t something I get at all. The game gives you the motivation to do side stuff right there, Kratos wants to spend the limited time he (thinks) he has left by adventuring through the realms and helping people, the things Atreus loves doing most. I think that’s plenty good reason to do the side stuff, and I can’t think of any better story explanation

[@tigeroyer7789]

@@e-scope I think a problem for me with that line is it is directly told to us instead of making that conclusion on our own through a subtle line of it. Just like he said in the video subtly will always be better. There was no need for it to be said directly, and there was no better writing reason for them to explain it away. Instead of making it a character point that kratos is trying to do more good, which would fit in more with his character for the rest of the game, they just say he wants to spend more time with Atreus. Which he might, but it was a missed opportunity to show some character growth, it wasn’t subtle, and it was shoe horned in.

[@skateplays8880]

Ye I agree I think that it also contributes to the world building greatly, if anything I feel like they should’ve added more side quests and expanded on some other quests aswell such as fayes one

[@paulmillcamp]

The fact that the long-ass disclaimer at the beginning of this video was necessary is such a sign of the times

[@LazerzZ]

And for a lot of people it's still not good enough, it's like the concept of criticism is lost on so many.

[@paulmillcamp]

Well... if that's not enough for some people, nothing will be I suppose. So fuck 'em. Haha nah, just kidding, don't do that. But don't let it stop you either! I have to say, after having watched the whole thing, you conveyed your opinion very well, and even entertainingly. I absolutely agree with the critique of the open-world, and the MCU-esque writing. A damn shame. But I love the video, so I'm subbin'.

[@Golan_Vivaldi]

@@frogglen6350 Oh no. KZbinr disagreeing with the people. The horror.

[@Eeiiaane]

This is one of the games where you have all the hype playing it for the first time but once you beat it the first time, the second run doesn't really have it anymore, that's exactly what happen to me in the first one too, I beat that game once and no matter how much I try to play it again for the new game plus, it's just wasn't there anymore, my heart feels empty playing it the second time, like I said this game is a beat it once kind of game..

[@VerticlSpoon]

Omg same, I tried replaying it and fully saw all its faults. Doesn't feel like a God of war game at all. I gave up at the atreus and agaboda sections. So boring, these aren't games, they're cringe movies smh

[@kowxley1793]

I feel like it relied on fan service and elements of surprise a lot. When you play it again it's completely gone. Whereas GOW 2018 never did this, or barely, which is why it still has replayability. Not only this, but Ragnarok felt like a grind, why would I feel the need to go and explore all the realms again, find every chest and loot, and do every side quest? It's not rewarding at all

[@salildeshpande7]

Atreus sections ruined the replayability. And the third act sucked.

[@fatbjogin]

To a new viewer , DONT SKIP THE INTRO. It ties in very well with the whole video. But great video. Respect for doing this I felt the same way.

[@calleocho2107]

Ugh but do I have to? He explains himself too much for even the first 3 minutes lol

[@fatbjogin]

@@calleocho2107 lmaoooo if yu can get pass that you gone be good

[@zwhsantwnopoylos5972]

This always happens when an industry reaches a point of stagnation , consumers overvalue products. The beauty of mathematics proves this happens with stocks but i didn't think i would see thr same exact phenomenon in the industry i love

[@Gungrave123]

watching this painfully mediocre game get almost unilateral praise was painful. If a mid 6/10 experience garners such responses, why would anyone in the industry strive to do better?

[@gabevillarrealedits]

I’ll finish this video later, but after finishing the Ironwood section (and even just the Atreus sections in general), I will never complain about playing as Miles or Mary Jane in Spider-Man again. At least those got to the point quickly.

[@jumpofftheboat]

I really hate how those Atreus sections drag on and on. Most boring parts of the game to me.

[@flightsimx]

I played GoW 2018 first then Ragnarok when it came out last year. In February of this year I went back to the classic trilogy and instantly fell in love with them, the music, the gameplay, the energy and the low key story are all amazing, honestly they blew the new stuff out of the water imo and I played the new stuff first. So no “nostalgia” or “bias”. I’m surprised the new games are as highly rated as they are, there good don’t get me wrong, but not Game of the Year or 10/10 Timeless masterpiece good.

[@lordiblees]

agreed 100%. I mean I understand if people love the new GoW games. They're good games tbh, especially 2018. What I don't get are the 10/10 reviews from every mainstream review website and GoTY awards. That's a massive exaggeration.

[@VicViper1984]

Been a fan since the original and I enjoy the new game far more overall despite the number of unnecessary modern gaming trends they decided to add. Overall the combat and the storytelling is better even if things don't get quite so crazy in terms of scale and the music is just as good. It just feels like the series grew up with it's audience.

[@flamingmanure]

@@VicViper1984 disagreed tbh, the old has far better more complex combat, better camera to compliment the combat, and far better art setpieces and scenery.

[@VicViper1984]

@@flamingmanure that's rich. I understand having a personal preference, but what you're stating about the gameplay is just objectively false. The core combat of the original trilogy was not more complex than the new titles. Hell the blades of chaos behave almost identically between the two styles of gameplay with the only major difference being that in the og games moves like rampage of the furies were so spamable that it removed any real skill requirements, blocking, parries and dodges were far clunkier and less functional, and quick time events were a much larger focus because at the time they were not a largely unwelcome mechanic. The new games took the core gameplay of the og games, improved the basic functionality of a lot of the mechanics, streamlined ranged and melee combat so well that they can be alternated between freely and effectively and created weapon functions to perfectly complement that system, added effective quick swap features so that swapping weapons to switch up combos was possible and easy to accomplish and more. There is absolutely nothing about the OG games that was functionally more deep or complex regarding the combat, and the only thing the OG games had that the new ones don't, is a dedicated jump button. Prefer the stylistic differences in the original games all you want, just don't act like there is some objective quality to the originals that the new games lack, because that's just downright delusional.

[@Natha_Kun]

@@frogglen6350 God of War 2018 and Ragnarok woudnt even be a thing if the original trilogy is not great what are you smoking?

[@benedapal7987]

the title is hyperbolic but he does makes some really good points in the video. i too walked away from Ragnarok feeling a bit cheated and so it's nice to see someone express in words the issues i had with the game and introduce me to things i missed that they don't like about the game

[@alex_srsc]

I honestly feel like both aspects are true. The game is a masterpiece and also a mess. I felt many of the things he talks about (especially during my second playthrough), but it's still such a great game that it likely lands at a 9/10 for me. It's very similar to Uncharted 4 in that sense.

[@Kometheus]

@@alex_srsc No it's not a masterpiece. Nothing about it is and I can't stand that you people use that word so lightly with clearly not understanding what it means. Gow 2, 3, and 2018 were masterpieces this couldn't be further from it.

[@dinodudeface6551]

​@@Kometheus subjective. Not everybody plays for the story only

[@ClearLoki]

​@@Kometheus Gow 1 ??

[@user-783hhss7w2oifhe]

​@@Kometheus false. Gow 2, 3, 2018 aren't masterpieces. It's all subjective. Maybe Redfall is though. Hard to argue against it

[@orfeas2335]

God of war 2018 is among my favourite gaming experiences of the " new era gaming" ,like 2015+ . Ragnarok is among my worst experiences.. I legitimately had a bad time

[@13nash2mvp]

God of war needs a directors cut! I would pay 100$ for it to be as it planned to be. Don’t change the gamplay. Change the story and add some important stuff.. It probably never happen, though… one can only wonder how awesome it could be

[@nicholasmajor4918]

Coming back to this video after a year and replaying the game, this video doesn’t really hold up. Your issues with freya and kratos having a talk ignores the fact that they became so close during 2018 and bonding over their want to protect Atreus, it was hinted at that freya eventually would forgive when thinking about the circumstances. Kratos gives you an in universe reason why he goes on adventures with Atreus and freya side quests are not made a priority she just brings them up in passing. Also the moment they changed fate is the moment when Kratos made the active choice not to close his heart to the midgardians suffering, in Kratos says battles are won by those who are willing to sacrifice everything. However, he realizes he was wrong through reconnecting with his memories of Faye that reminded him he is not his failures and can’t be the person he once was for his child. (Nearly word for word what he says to Thor). Also, seeing Faye worked very well cause seeing a orb float around or just her voice doesn’t give us something tangible to hold on to and doesn’t allow us to walk with Faye to see why Kratos loved her so much. The giant prophecy only changed one part of the ragnorak prophecy not the entire event leading up to and during ragnorak. Also, the prophecy never showed Kratos dying, you could tell cause you would see his tattoo that is depicted literally everywhere else in the shrines. I know there’s more but I’m honestly tired, you presented your points well but after I implore you to play 2018 and ragnorak right after each other. The story was rushed in some places and was very complicated but was not as disastrous as you presented it here.

[@LazerzZ]

Fair enough, glad you came to find a sense of enjoyment. The video still stands to speak to how I feel about the game though, I still feel everything I said even if you don't necessarily agree, different perspectives and all that.

[@KomeFits]

Braindead rebuttal

[@deathtoraiden2080]

*Freya at the end of GOW 2018 and i quote:* _"I will rain down every agony, every violation imaginable, upon you. I will parade your cold body from every corner, of every realm, and FEED YOUR SOUL TO THE VILEST FILTH IN HEL. THAT IS MY PROMISE!"_ bOy: _"He saved your life!"_ _"HE ROBBED ME OF EVERYTHING!! * sobbing * everything..."_ -- *Freya after literally less than 10 minutes of screen tine in Ragnarok:* "He protec froam baer 😮👀 😍" Something has to be wrong with anyone who eats this up.

[@jammeraw355]

Listening to James talk about Ragnarok's handling of prophecy like he's a half insane scientist is an actual privilege

[@taddad2641]

........... He's an idiot. Prophecy is just a highly accurate guess based on if the major players of that prophecy keep to their natures without altering them. Often their toxic natures. Freya couldn't overcome her overprotectiveness. Baldur couldn't overcome his madness and hatred. Odin couldn't overcome his paranoia. Kratos overcame his more monstrous behaviors. Atreus overcame his recklessness. Angboda made herself important to events. Freya ultimately overcame her vindictiveness. Kratos, atreus, angerboda, and freya overcoming their toxic natures allowed them to shift the direction of the prophecy. They could not prevent asgard's death, cause odin's inability to overcome himself is what ensured its destruction.

[@ShinjiIkari007]

Idk if you mentioned this in the video because I'm still watching it but one of the major issues I have with this game are the dialogues. The use of modern slangs & language in this game breaks immersion. Like the use of modern dialogues are not at all consistent with the timeline. In the Greek GOW games there were spartans & Olympians & Oracles etc. The Norse saga takes place only a few years after the end of GOW 3. The timeline of all these GOW games can be anywhere between 300 BC to 5th Century. So when Odin uses words like "my ex" when referring to Freya & "disgrunted former employee" for Mimir & Atreus uses words like "whatever" it breaks immersion. This is supposed to be a mythological world based thousands of years ago. Wtf are those dialogues man, those 2 are the ones I can remember from top of my head, there are way more dialogues like that. You should look into it & make a separate video if you have to. This is a writing crime bruh especially in such a big game series like GOW. GOW 2018 also suffered from this but my god Ragnarok took it to another level. What next they will use gen z slangs like "L bozo" "gigachad" "rizz" "Ok boomer" "simp" etc? 😂

[@Golan_Vivaldi]

Yeah, I agree. It was so obviously written to appeal to as wide an audience as possible, it genuinely felt like watching a Marvel movie at times.

[@mateusgreenwood1096]

I hate when fantasy games do this.

[@belinskiparadox7687]

honestly, watching this almost directly after watching the God of War 2018 video is kind of heartbreaking. The fact that you loved that game so much, but you couldn't bring yourself to love Ragnarok, after you were so optimistic about it in the video prior, makes me feel really bad

[@GrabaCuppaPodcast]

Personally I liked the game. I think it mainly comes down to different interpretations of the game itself and it themes. Like Kratos telling Freya about his past was to me just him finally finding closure between the ending of 2018 and the start of Ragnarok and being open with other people. Like Freya saved Atrues so he trusts her implicitly. To me it makes sense.

[@chase1630]

It also perfectly allows Kratos to convince Freya that killing him will bring her no peace just like him in Olympus, allowing her to forgive him without it coming off as unrealistic or rushed.

[@TheFlame234]

@@chase1630 For real, I found LazerzZ take on that to be insanely baffling. On one hand, he thinks making Freya too stupid to understand the implications of those actions/messages that Kratos told/showed her and "subverting our expectations" and still attacking us is better than her being smart enough to actually listen to him and put aside her hatred to focus on their common goal, Odin. Then, he immediately praises the writing in her side quest when she understands that the pain would never go away by destroying the artifacts. I'm sorry, WHAT?!? Like how do you go from that line of thought to the other and not see the issues/contradictions with that leap?

[@jesusoctaviosalgadopelayo2401]

I liked the idea of kratos opening more, that concept is good for this sequel, but it was executed poorly. I agree with the others that it felt out of character and I believe it should have been in a well crafted cutscene and not in a walking transition.

[@sands201]

Game is trash

[@arpadszabo661]

@@sands201 at least you have something in common with the game then

[@ivonthompson2160]

I will say, I feel like there are some parts in here where the point is missed. Although you made some points, there are some areas of depth that are lacking. 1. Atreus is a child. It makes perfect sense for him to have gone to Asgard to see Odin because he thought he had all the answers. His character is one that tends to get ahead of himself (also shown when he released Garm) and this is another example of that. He was fixated on his goal to find out who he was supposed to be, this was a part of that. 2. Prophecy works in juxtaposition with 2018. Where in that game they went on their journey only to find out it was prophesied at the end, here they know what the end entails and have to decide how far they want to go down this path. This hold weight, as there are several pieces of dialogue around inevitability, and is used in a nice way to tie back to Greek mythology about people trying to subvert their destiny only for it to come true anyway. 3. You implied a couple times that Kratos does not feel that close to Mimir. That is simply not true, as in the journal he writes that he has not considered many people a brother but he does Mimir. 4. It makes sense for kratos to open up to Freya. He never saw her as an enemy which is why he never tried to kill her. You mentioned that he only saved her from Baldur so his son would not see it but what’s not entirely true. She saved his son’s life, he did not want her killed. 5. Freyr has a light and dark elf, a traveller, and a dwarf in his camp. “They United because they really like me” works because it’s implied he has that gift. This is told not only through this, but also through what Freya says of the leader he could have been had he chosen to. 6. Kratos absolutely wants to help people. He writes favorably about people in journals when he can and there are a few missions where characters to do expect him to take up the task but he does because he feels it’s important (particularly when helping the spirit father find his son). 7. The All-Stars tournament reference is an Easter egg. It’s just… an Easter egg 8. About the combat.. yes he is brutally killing things. You included a clip in this very video where Athena says “you will always be a monster” and he says “I know but I will be your mister no longer.” It’s also incredibly apparent that Kratos will do whatever it takes to get the job done/protect who he loves. There are so points I agree with in this video, like how it needed to be 3 games to tell a full story and how some parts were left unanswered. I almost do agree with the tedium of the crater as I found myself running around aimlessly (although I find it interesting that you didn’t mention the hidden parts only accessible by boat, since you liked that in 2018). I think it’s obvious from my essay that I liked this game lol, but I also analyzed it and these are just some of the things I found differently

[@BonzerMrT]

Summed up most of my thoughts throughout the video. It’s not like I don’t agree with him just some things need to be reappraised in context

[@crest_o_razors]

I honestly agree with a very strong majority of these points. Atreus is supposed to be like that because he’s not mature. He only becomes that way when the game ends.

[@Alechexx]

What’s funny is that I originally started playing gow because when I bought PlayStation plus a couple years ago I had the chance to play gow 2018, but before I dove into that game I wanted to go in depth and learn about kratos’s backstory. Funnily enough it was mostly to also find out where he got his axe from… little did I know. Loved the first three games when I played it, but when I went over to play gow 2018 idk what the heck happened but I wasn’t intrigued by the gameplay. So I never played the game. However when I got my ps5 and could choose a free game, I reluctantly chose ragnarok. Ragnarok turned out to be the game that got me obsessed with the story and the character and now I’ve played every game (except ascension) and I appreciate the character and the games more than ever. So for me gow ragnarok will always be my favorite. So yea. Still laugh at the thought that I played the whole franchise before 2018 just to find out where he got the axe from. lol

[@bryanhaha1234]

the combat was so damn bad to me, I'd never understand how they made the flipping god of war unable to fight an enemy because my skirt isn't a high enough level.. like damn

[@dilwalecricket]

😂 Legendary skirt needed 😜

[@jordan9503]

it's really tragic because the art and combat is soo good ! just wasted potential on the narrative side

[@ShadowbannedAccount]

The title describes GoW Ragnarok pretty well. While it is not an actual disaster, it is a disaster in the context of GoW games. IMO, Ragnarok is even worse than Ascension.

[@dontbothertoreply9755]

Ascension has good gameplay at least, I do not like the characters but cinematics look decent and the combat is neat.

[@michaelpenirelli9003]

I love the game but your points were spot on. Especially on the Aesir gods and how the 2018 Aesir wouldn't fit in. As soon as I saw Odin I said "Hmm....Really?" Then he and all of the other Aesir spoke. Most annoying of them all being Thrud. Why do they talk like that?! Does Odin run a small struggling personal injury law office on the side? Is Thrud having popularity issues at The All Father of Asgard High School?! "Uhh, Midgard boys are so weird." Really? That's level of effort you put into writing the Aesir dialogue and banter?

[@chapman2001]

Odin is perfectly set up in the last game and so is thor

[@BWMagus]

@@chapman2001 Yes, and then they didn't follow through.

[@flamingmanure]

@@chapman2001 laughably disagree, odin is written like a american mafioso hack and talks like one too, his accent and demeanor is laughable and thor is just a dumb thug with daddy issues.

[@chapman2001]

@@BWMagus yes they did lol they went above and beyond

[@GreenRatel]

@@chapman2001 lmao, you cant be serious. they dont live up to the hype at all, their relation makes little sense and their actions lack any direction or logic.

[@TheWhatupfoe]

No Valhalla 0/10. Really missed the chance of a baldur cameo he would be in Valhalla since Kratos killed him in battle

[@Epictook]

I was really looking forward to that too

[@KKoakOOakoAA]

well well well

[@TRmint8676]

It's honestly a breath of fresh air knowing that some people still look at games like these critically. Great video man.

[@anotherhappylanding4746]

It's fine to look at it critically but calling it a disaster just is plainly clickbait and not true, it is nowhere near as strong or tightly written as the first game and there can be complaint about things such as thr linearity etc but it's not a disaster like the title makes out lol

[@devuk8196]

@@anotherhappylanding4746 there were more god of war games before gow 2018. The first one was in 2005 where the gow story started. Are you talking about that?

[@Nabs-xd2qr]

Agreed. The amount of people circlejerking this game was insane. Like dont get me wrong, the story has some nice moments. But everything else is just so... mediocre?

[@anotherhappylanding4746]

@@devuk8196 you know what I meant the first game of this soft reboot of the series, I've played all the originals

[@Nabs-xd2qr]

@@frogglen6350 Go back to your mediocre and overhyped game.

[@mikegoesnike]

looking back, even tho i loved ragnorak, couple things that I felt after finishing the game: 1. Major plot points that we were left hanging on in the last game got answered in in easter-type ways, which is really UNDERWHELMING. i.e. jormangundr's birth, how it went back. 2. Ragnorak act felt very very UNDERWHELMING. The war doesnt feel like a war, felt like a short quest that you do to advance the story, even tho technically, it is the ultimate build up of a 5 year journey. 3. Alot of points introduced in ragnorak are not finished up correctly. I.e brok and sindri's relationship, freyr's death (WTF, everyone acted like he never existed lol). Positives are: 1. Combat is great. After I finished the game, for around 3 weeks, I went back to the game just to go into practice mode to practice combos. 2. Soundtrack and cinematics create atmosphere. Main character writings are good, thor and odin.

[@Natha_Kun]

The combat isnt even a positive cause its all copypasted the only difference is that the runic atracks before are now the general moveset and the new ones are great but not enough

[@jaydenc367]

@@Natha_Kun It is a positive as it is not all copypasted and is still good, there are other differences too actually

[@Natha_Kun]

@@jaydenc367 to make it a negative the visual effects are not that satisfying compared to 2018 and fimbulwinter being the sole reason why its nerfed is a dumb assupmtion

[@jaydenc367]

@@Natha_Kun They are honesly a positive not a negative and are satisfying compared to 2018, I mean not really when it makes sense

[@Jordo246]

I knew something was wrong with this game when I realised that whole Joutunheim part that brought the story to a screeching stop took me longer to get through than the big finale both games were leading up to. I'm sorry but I didn't give a shit about Angrboda and her stupid grandma in the GoW Disney edition section. If they really wanted to condense 3 games into 2 I don't understand at all why this particular part took up such a huge amount of time when it really could have been about 15 minutes long. Also doesn't help that Angrboda herself is a dumbass character that tells Atreus he can't tell Kratos about Jotunheim but then randomly appears all jovially when Thor and one of Odin's ravens are literally meters away while Atreus is out on a mission with them but that's a rant for another day. Anyway, game is okay, not a masterpiece at all.

[@Evanz111]

Joseph Anderson will either be very angry or very impressed that you managed to beat him to the chase! I’m glad at least you were both on the same page with how you felt’

[@maximilianolanatta7256]

For real, I am also really looking forward for Joseph's review, although he mentioned in a stream playing Ragnarok months ago that if he didn't finish it in a few days, he just wouldn't make a review on it. Not entirely sure if he meant it seriously or sarcastically.

[@yadafty7671]

1:32:15 This part is explained in multiple side quests. Freyr once teleported into alfiem into their magic water or whatever and everyone thought he was the chosen one among for the elves. Thats why both sides of elves love freyr. But yeah reducing something as important and as big a plot point as uniting two warring factions to a few lines of dialogue is really dumb.

[@TheSilverwolf97]

Is it really a big plot point? It really serves no purpose other than a neat trivia of Freyr was liked among elves. The game has a lot of tidbits of lore sprung inbetween quests and sidequests. To me that only makes the world richer.

[@gurhhjde2937]

​@@TheSilverwolf97yes it is bcuz freyr then goes back to alfhiem and unites and recruits the elves for ragnarok

[@cynicalmemester1694]

It doesn't matter how a plot point is conveyed, as long it's conveyed.

[@dante93nero]

@@gurhhjde2937 But you know that could've happend off-screen right? Not everything needs a 10-hour story. For example in the crater area you learn about the fight between Faye and Thor which is why Thor, in the beginning of the game said "this looks familiar". For me personally I think the only portion of the game that felt rushed was the actual ragnarok battle. For what's hyped as a sort of apocalypse it could've been more (maybe). I think the side quests in GoW Ragnarok have much more story built into them than the first game.

[@spegwettie9053]

​@@cynicalmemester1694Yes, I hate when people say that you cannot get 100% of the story/details without playing 100% of the game. Glad someone noticed.

[@tbrown5836]

Never expected ragnorak to be quite controversial, it’s like a mini TLOUP2 you either love it and think it’s a masterpiece or think it’s a terrible story that betrays it’s predecessor, just an interesting situation

[@mrrobluxo2369]

No where near the shit TLOU2 does people base this game off what they wanted it to be instead of what it is. TLOU2 used false advertising and basically switched around models to hide their narrative

[@kostasspirou1010]

Kinda but TLOU2 was way more controversial, GoW Ragnarok seems to be loved by most people to the point where they completely ignore the obvious flaws.

[@Vortexnicholas]

19:57 they should’ve maintained that momentum after the first 2 hours of the game. For example don’t just have Thor fly away after Kratos punches him give us an more of the fight more stakes. Have Thor destroy the lavinathon axe. Don’t let freya give up so easily bring her back early. Build on it.

[@Gwynbleidd_117]

They had to have room for everything else. The only way to make the overall story paced correctly would of been to keep it a trilogy…I wholeheartedly believe they did the best they could. And it honestly turned out quite great. Yes it would of been so much better but that doesn’t mean the game is a disaster bc of it. It certainly isn’t. Slightly disappointing yes, but that’s a long way from disaster.

[@garybergamo6440]

Don't you dare take my axe from me

[@Vortexnicholas]

@@garybergamo6440well a sword would fit Kratos so much better

[@rsmith8113]

This! They should have had Thor destroy the Axe, we go get the spear straight away, (Kratos uses it with the shield not just the spear itself imo) then go kill Thor and get Mjolnir as a replacement for the axe. But new softie Kratos won’t do that 🤣

[@aguyontheinternet3530]

You definitely shouldn't become a writer💀 my god, destroying the leviathan axe is a horrible idea

[@camaronpotts4214]

Really interesting video. An intriguing title since I played through the whole game once at launch and haven't touched it since. Having thoroughly enjoyed it I was surprised to find myself nodding in agreement with a lot of the criticisms laid out and, while I still consider it a good experience for me, it was surprising just how many flaws I'd either missed entirely or overlooked. Regardless of your intention not necessarily being to convince anyone of anything, really thought provoking analysis for me and an excellent piece of work 👍

[@idanlewenhoff2295]

yep thats what makes it fascinating how the game impacts people differently also i think the affect and replaiability the game has will change what people think in the future, and also what the next game will be.

[@TheTrueCreed]

Glad to see someone can enjoy the game but still see the points in the arguments Said without feeling attacked. Good on you

[@SwooshJush83]

I’m in the same boat, loved the game, finished. But haven’t played it since. Weird considering I still got a lot to finish post game

[@CriticalTairique]

You perfectly summed up how this video effected me and how I geel about the game overall

[@Jonderlei]

I havent played this game yet so I cant speak for this one but I do find if you just blow through a game one time and then move on as long as the game was decently good youll have a pretty good outlook on it but say you really enjoy it and play through it multiple times your opinions will change throughout those most likely. I absolutely loved Jedi Survivor, first playthrough I was in love with the whole thing,at the end of doing 4 playthroughs there are alot of flaws that I didnt see the first time,nothing that massively changed how I felt about the game but I feel I could see it clearly after that.

[@marcyschnier3625]

while i dont think its a complete disaster, the amount of times i felt like meaningful character dialogue or moments were cut short by meaningless combat is far too often. I also feel that the story really does feel like 20 spinning plates and the ending drops half of them. I feel that many characters felt off in the ending as if we missed something or they just didnt feel like they were making choices their character would make ESPECIALLY TYR oh my god his ending in the epilogue jesus...

[@pontiffsulyvahn3898]

Had they removed real Tyr from the game entirely it would have been better. He doesn't even get a cutscene.

[@mateusgreenwood1096]

That's another problem, the game really wants to be a movie and constantly interrupts it's iwn sloppy narrative because they have to remind you it's actually a game.

[@curtisdunn1854]

For this to actually work well as a duology, 2018 needed to do more set up. 2018 is such a small, tight story that has very little to do with ragnarok. This forces ragnarok to bloat itself to fill the role of part 2 and 3 of the story

[@ericpeterson9110]

Hard agree on this. 2018 was a much more personal journey that felt like it was there to set the ball rolling for the larger plot and introduce us to the setting and characters. This is exactly the approach you would take at the start of a trilogy. Ragnorock was definitely meant to be spread over two games but cramming them into a single game make it feel so much more rushed and less developed. The fact that Freya went on a multi year revenge quest trying to kill Kratos only to then immediately forgive him is insane. That arc could have taken up a whole game on it's own.

[@deathtoraiden2080]

There was plenty of setup in 2018, half of the game was setup. The setup doesn't work when the next game literally makes it a point to dismiss and retcon all of it. Ragnarok could never work as a sequel because it objectively is not a sequel to the game that came before it. It's an unfaithful reboot of a faithful reboot.

[@oneofthoseyoutubeusers]

even though i do like gow ragnarock, i'm glad you made this video; and i'm glad i watched it your points are very valid and santa monica should take notes when flawed media gets the praise it deserves, but none of the criticism it also deserves, no one learns to fix the flaws or even what they are gow shouldn't be 'bad' or 'pretty good' or 'disappointing' it should be extraordinary constructive criticism helps media be better; gow needs to be better

[@xiHasMilkx]

About an hour in, and honestly the beginning was really great and hit all the notes of why ragnarok has its issues but then we got to the part about fate and messaging and im sitting here like… “did we play the same game?” It was obvious to me in the beginning that the messaging was “Fate and prophecy doesn’t exist, the choices you make and who you are as a person decides what the future is” The norns could not predict everything. Even in the scene with them they say things like “kratos holds the urge to groan… he fails”. And when they were told that he killed bauldr to protect Freya, they didn’t see that coming either, just dismissed it as “so what he feels guilty about it now so should we give him a crown?”. Also, the inclusion of the final mural where faye had rewrote kratos ending gives supporting evidence tha Faye is actively trying to change Krato’s path, hence the dream sequences. And the conclusion of that section. “You can do that apparently, its just that simple.” Is it though? We just watched the characters go through exactly line by line of the prophecy up until the very very very last 10minutes of the game… After 30hours in 2018 and 45hours in this game. Was it actually that simple to rewrite fate? We see them try multiple times. Avoiding Bauldrs death, avoiding killing Heindall, avoiding Ragnarok… it all fails… time and time and time again. It wasn’t until they finally made a decision to change who they are at the core. That the ending changed ever so slightly (odin instead of Kratos in Artreus’s arms) but I wouldn’t call changing your core personality an easy feat. Sidenote, not all the internal shrines were “the real truth about the characters” they were just more in depth explanations with more details about the events that happen and might happen. Only Groa’s painting I believe have a different ending because Groa had to lie to Odin. The shrines are available to all Jotnars, that includes Angrboda and all the other Giants who have escaped the realms that may one day want to know what really happened. Not just “its just for Artreus/Loki” The character plot of Kratos not doing anything is valid, but you also have to remember his core belief: “HE DOESN’T WANT HIS SON TO GO TO WAR”. Thats why he does nothing and is reactive. He is doing the bare minimum without losing his son because his son has already snuck out without his knowledge. Even early in the game Mimir advises him that “hey if you don’t stop holding youre son back, youre gonna lose him”. He is terrified of losing his family again. While there are a lot of points this critique makes are very valid. I feel like you are so obsessed with the “this should’ve been two game, not one” concept that you are almost finding extra reasons from what is happening behind the scenes at the studio that you forgot to actually sit and listen to the story being told. Was it crammed? Yes, but the story is definitely not as disastrous and broken as you claimed it to be Edit: wow, maybe the reason why its so critical is because not a full play-through was done. Comment about Freyr’s “just being accepted that they like him there” well there was a whole entire story arc in Alfheim with Mimir and Freya that told why he is revered there. Guess that was missed

[@BWMagus]

"No,you're wrong, the point is that prophecy and fate aren't real! Also, you're wrong because changing fate, which doesn't exist, was really, really hard!" Thanks for proving that the game was contradictory on this point.

[@THunderfall-np5gj]

Would have been a better ending if kartos said, "Its God Of War time" then that ine song form transformers plays and it fades ti credits

[@LazerzZ]

real

[@senorninato3318]

The true ending

[@vanyiel]

Halfway through this and you already convinced me. I loved God of War 2018, but Ragnorak just felt off.....and I couldn't figure it out till now. The game was just all over the place and the ending wasn't satisfying. I was hoping for a possible redemption for Thor, Odin and was curious about that rift Odin was trying to open. I loved Thor and Odin....bummer that they were killed off.

[@abhiramboralkar5782]

I just wish they’d explained who blew the horn and where the mask came from and I’d not have a bitter taste in my mouth.

[@ProfessuhLemon]

I already know I'm not going to agree with this lmao But James always explains his takes well so I will watch in its entirety and comment for the algorithm. Get that KZbin money!

[@ProoGameR43]

There are so many actual disasters out there. I think calling GOW Ragnarock a “disaster” is an exaggeration. Edit* I meant exaggeration

[@ForceEdge47]

I agree with you but extrapolation isn’t the word you’re looking for lol I think you mean exaggeration.

[@ProoGameR43]

@@ForceEdge47 true

[@GnA_000]

I think it's a disaster. 2018 was magic and ragnarok is a stale meal as bland as it gets. Too afraid to be its own game so it's 2018 but without any life. If the original script of Kratos dying for 20 years was kept, it would have been so striking that it probably would have won game of the year again. I've literally played every God of War (even ascension) and this was the first time in the entire series that I felt bored. It literally felt like I was doing... homework. 🤷‍♂️ Also, I just hate how they make Kratos out to be a changed man when this is who he always was. Like if someone killed Atreus Kratos would end the entire pantheon and leave no survivors. He would not be forgiving like... Freya🤦‍♂️ Plus kratos was supposed to die. They set up his death in 2018 why is he not died at least once? 😑😑😑

[@shadowviper5160]

@@GnA_000he things you listed don’t really make it a disaster if they were to drastically change the mechanics and combat from 2018 that made it terrible or it was filled with bugs at launch or like with fallout 76 their merch for the game was basically a scam or unsafe then yeah it would be a disaster and also they explained why kratos didn’t die and I don’t see the problem with him changing he had already started changing in 2018

[@GnA_000]

@@shadowviper5160 but it can't be measured on that standard because it's a franchise that's set the bar way high for itself. So things like bugs never even cross my mind and I don't think it ever should since they pour so much money into the gow games. That is why I use the past games to say this one is a disaster. If we use ascension as an example. Many critics considered it a disaster and pulled no punches in calling it a failure of a game even though all it did was continue the mechanics and intensity of the previous games. It is not a bad game though. It's equally as action packed as gow 3 and the story is not bad at all. The only reason Ascension was considered bad is because it was not pushing the envelope forward. Ragnarok has done the same thing and is not facing equal judgement. I personally do not like Ragnarok nearly as much as gow 2018 not even close (in fact I replayed ascension and rate it above Ragnarok based on the feeling I got playing it - gow 2018 is my nr1 favorite btw - so you know I'm not ranking based on nostalgia). Ragnarok was a snooze fest. Even the Ragnarok war felt kinda "fake" and lame. I call it a disaster because they set one hell of a precedent in 2018 and have fallen short with this one. Smh. Yeah the "Kratos being a changed man" bit was just me voicing frustrations that have nothing to do with the conversation😅

[@Mr.SethSquatch]

I totally agree with you with the Writers there were too many chefs in the kitchen. was definitely overwhelming with all of the quests being thrown at you it felt very shuffled.

[@jorgeluiz07]

My pov on this: Is pretty clear to me that there are parts that would fit amazingly in a second game/God of War: Fimbulwinter: The search of "Tyr", the visit to Jotunhein, the reconcialition of Kratos and Freya, the scar of Thor caused by the axe + Jormungandr poison and the Atreus/Loki turning his back to Kratos and moving to Asgard as ending of the game, reinforcing the prophecy scene where Atreus leaves for Odin and Kratos fighting Heimdall, with the Draupnir Spear saga, and getting the Gjalarhorn, which would end the game. For a third game, the true God of War Ragnarok, there would be the visit to several realms, such as Alfheim, Svartalfheim, Helheim. For the end, a better version of Surtr and her wife (forgot her name), where Surtr convinces her to let him being the Ragnarok, but Kratos and Freyia facing her in a fight after she loses the control, but regains her trust as an allied in the end. Atreus would be having his saga with the mask and the occasional visits to Jotunheim, Faye visions as Kratos had and a fight with Vidar, the God of Vengeance, as a request of Sif by the murd3r of Modi. After Vidar beats off Atreus, he visits Kratos and the folks and changed sides again, then Kratos k1lls Vidar with cruelty for beating his son. The plot of Brok's death would be more or less the same, leading to a more grandious Ragnarok.

[@wyattcheramie004]

I enjoyed 2018 way more. I couldn’t even bring myself to finish Ragnarok. Edit: I think it comes down to that I had a clear goal in 2018. I didn’t feel any purpose in Ragnarok. It just felt like I was jumping around between realms for the hell of it.

[@wyattcheramie004]

@@frogglen6350 Go cope somewhere else. You already posted 14 other comments on this vid. I can’t believe this is how people spend their time.

[@wyattcheramie004]

@@frogglen6350 like bro really can’t take an opinion.

[@simpleclout5546]

​@@wyattcheramie004 fr lol

[@mrsandhu1215]

@@wyattcheramie004 the lack of direction was never a problem for me. If anything that’s what I like about ragnarok’s story. It’s about 2 people trying to protect the ones they love while looking for their place in a world dictated by prophecy and fate.

[@BioshockDrill]

​@@wyattcheramie004criticizes you, and you tell him to cope. Great argument. Really mature.

[@greatgreentea]

wow what a great critique of god of war ragnarok, unfortunately you forget to mention that it is a sony exclusive, so it’s a masterpiece

[@neilk]

Just finished the video, and for the most part, I could not agree more with your analysis here. I tried to play GoW 2018 a number of times after its release but found the initial few hours a slog until last month where I essentially forced myself to press through. I was met by a pretty fantastic metroidvania experience with a beautiful plot/fantastic worldbuilding, fantastic set pieces (except for the last Baldur fight, was thoroughly underwhelmed by this), and a sense of scale/wonder that I had truly never seen in most video games I had played up until that point. I immediately bought Ragnarok right after beating 2018 and found myself kind of just confused after putting 40 hours into it. I didn't HATE what I had just played, but I didn't love it even remotely same way I did GoW 2018. Your analysis here articulated a lot of what I was struggling to because as you stated in your conclusion, I kind of fell for the insanely high production value this game possesses which is no doubt a feat of in itself. However, despite the game being a technical marvel, this is not nearly enough to look past what is honestly a horrifically written plot in hindsight with a butchering of some beloved characters. I have 0 idea why they MCU'd the fuck out of the banter here and decided to repeatedly shove that shit down your throat, no idea why they completely ruined Freya as a character (her arc is laughably bad and predictable), no idea why they made Thor and Odin so unintimidating when 2018 built them up to be terrifying, no idea why they made the Ragnarok sequence itself so thoroughly underwhelming, no idea why they retconned most of the lore established in 2018, no idea why they even bothered introducing Angrboda, and absolutely no idea why they made no commitment to the whole prophecy/fate shtick they were going for. So many questionable decisions here made by the team this time around leading to such a lack of polish when compared to 2018. I believe said polish can be mostly attributed to Barlog himself; I wish he had directed this one and stayed on the writing team. There's a lot to like about Ragnarok and it really isn't a BAD game when compared to most triple A garbage, but it really is a mess of a video game where it feels too large for its own good, is bogged down by every single gameplay system battling one another, and is ultimately CARRIED HARD by a pretty beautiful dynamic between Kratos and Atreus (despite my distaste for the plot, I did shed a few tears at the end).

[@ceejey1586]

For as much as I did still enjoy the game the first time around, I did finish with a feeling that something was off and it's good to see you put it into perspective. Hell Gow has been my favorite series since childhood and I bought a ps5 just for this, but at the end there was a feeling of what could've been. For something as catalytic as ragnarok, maybe I was expecting more, something like Gow 3. Not necessarily that violent Kratos and tone, but still. It's a long game yet it really does feel off, rushed, despite the polished mechanics (other than the ui downgrade). For as much was setup in 2018 and this norse world, it didn't feel like we got to experience all of it, and now the saga is over? It's hard to see where they're going next but hopefully they don't commit this same mistake again.

[@Prochillah90]

When the release date of the game was announced i counted the days to finally being able to play it. While playing i enjoyed everything about it. Often i spend minutes just standing on specific locations and enjoying the beauty of the surroundings. (For example the view right after climbing the wall with atreus). That was something i did not do with 2018. The fighting system and the possibilities to change your settings and controls got improved. I got myself the platinum trophy. I totally get the point in the video that the story might feel rushed, but for me that was not that much of an issue. The whole ragnarok event in the game actually felt a bit anticlimatic for me. Like "that's it"? But other than that i thoroughly enjoyed it and i absolutely can't wait for ng+ to finally launch so i can play it again and try gmgow difficulty for the first time.

[@lukelandis3090]

26:22 Actually, I don’t have to imagine it. That’s literally what Rise of Skywalker tried to do, and even people who liked either of the other sequel films hated it.

[@flo3029]

They teased the giants so much in the first game, I was so excited to see them maybe in a flashback… waited 4 years and got nothing

[@dontbothertoreply9755]

@@frogglen6350 lmao, yeah giants are not big they are like dwarves.

[@flo3029]

@@frogglen6350 im talking about the big ones obviously

[@stuartmcknight6925]

I personally wouldn't call it a disaster but I 100% agree that this game was no where near as good as it should have been IMO. Even now nearly 5 months later I'm still trying to understand why i don't love this game like I expected myself to like GOW 2018

[@asorlokirunarsson9864]

Although I agree that this game could and maybe should have been 3 games I did not feel that Ragnarök was rushed or "too much". I wanted another game because there's so much in the mythology that hasn't been explored. Ullur, Höður, Bragi, Iðunn, Hel etc.

[@Natha_Kun]

Ragnarok war shoudve been a standalone game where all gods gather to fight the giants and kratos' team

[@Gwynbleidd_117]

The Norse trilogy was 100% intended to be a trilogy when they made God of War 2018. All the unexplored aspects you mentioned couldn’t be fit into just this game, there were surely many story aspects from the original vision that had to be sacrificed. That’s the whole point being made here. I agree that it was still a great game. And I certainly disagree with this guy that they just shouldn’t of made a sequel if it wasn’t going to be 3 games like planned. BUT there is no denying the Norse saga did suffere overall bc of it. Slow paced first game intentionally saving all the bigger mythology stuff for multiple sequels, then it all(or as much as they could) gets crammed into one.

[@asorlokirunarsson9864]

@@Gwynbleidd_117 I agree. My comment was mostly in agreement to the video I think? Edit: I admit I don't remember exactly what the video said

[@asafakiva1619]

While I do understand how the game could've benefit from being a trilogy and going on slightly different route, I'm also happy with what we got. So I can't really complain about the flaws.

[@asorlokirunarsson9864]

@@asafakiva1619 I know and agree. This is just my greedy ass wanting more I guess

[@GregOtto]

My brother -- THANK YOU for making this video. I just finished the game and was losing my mind at how much this game bothered me. Watched the entire video and agree with 99 percent of what you said (I actually enjoyed the Atreus parts more than the Kratos parts -- Kratos felt entirely too weak for me compared to the 2018 game). I actually vocally screamed "YES!" when you said "F*** the sigil arrow puzzles" -- This game was such a bloated, overwrought production that I was dissapointed more than angry or upset. Great video, you nailed it, I feel better that I no longer feel like I'm screaming into the abyss.

[@LazerzZ]

I really appreciate this comment. I get so many of people who disagree and are mad about the video and while that’s fine and valid, it’s nice to know I’m speaking for people with criticism like this, thank you 🙏🏻

[@spegwettie9053]

18:40 Did he just say that the mask was pointless, then right after that say that the mask had a point by progressing the plot by motivating the characters? 😂

[@LazerzZ]

It was pointless in any ways that matter. It was a contrived way to make plot things happen. It had no thematic or overarching meaning, it doesn’t do anything, it’s a McGuffin to make stuff happen without actually contributing anything significant in and of itself. It motivates characters in an external sense not an internal or introspective one. It’s irrelevant beyond being a cheap plot device.

[@mrrobluxo2369]

@@LazerzZ this is false lmaooo the mask is apart of the keys that contribute to Kratos and Atreus subverting their fates. U obviously just took one creative writing class and think u know everything about writing 😂

[@omaralsharabati5873]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@mrrobluxo2369What’s funny is that 2018 suffers from what he says, but the mask IMO showed how they have grown from that mistake. It literally follows the themes of letting go aka one of the biggest themes in the fucking game….. and it ties into odins character incredibly well. As well as being the climax of kratos and atreus arc of “trust” but this guy collectively ignores it due to not at all understanding the story.

[@mrrobluxo2369]

@@omaralsharabati5873 I’ve noticed that with a lot of people who don’t like the direction of the story they take things out of context or go off of THEIR interpretation of it instead of what the game is telling them 🤣🤣

[@kalb390]

​@@mrrobluxo2369you fanboys are even defending the mask now? WOW

[@gianlucarisa7726]

AAA gaming industry feels more and more like the music industry: people think more about the lyrics than they actually care about the music itself. In the same way, the "storyh" in modern games is more important than the game design and the gameplay itself. Finally, someone is starting to address how wrong this feels, especially if we have to WATCH the game for the first 5 hours before actually starting to play it

[@Sitheral]

I would argue most, if not all games on this channel are bad or mediocre at best. Even FF7 remake is shit compared to original. But just like with music, turns out people like eating shit if its nicely packed, that's that.

[@rsmith8113]

Of course, gaming because mainstream so a lot of people who used to hate games and made fun of gamers got consoles, they still hate gaming but they want to be part of the trend so what they can get out of a game? Story and dialogue. Now, the story and dialogue cannot be more than what they are used to in Marvel, Fast and Furious, Transformers movies so anything that resembles those things they will love it. Notice how all Sony games are the same or very similar? Because that makes the most money. Sony Marvelizing their games but I don’t think it’s good in the long run. However the fans will defend this til death.

[@_.LZ._]

No it's the opposite here though. Gameplay was fucking amazing but the story was shite

[@TheCapitalWanderer]

​@@rsmith8113 so true

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

@@_.LZ._ The gameplay of Ragnarok was a massive downgrade from 2018 though.

[@arthurblacklungmorgan2250]

Probably the most overrated game ever. My main issues: - The horrendous pacing. - Freya's botched redemption arc. - Useless side-characters, like Freyr and all his friends. - Thor feels wasted. Just when he becomes really interesting he gets inmediatelly killed off. - The lack of Norse Gods (you telling me Asgard is being attacked and only Odin, Thor, Sif and Thrud show up? Really?). - The Ragnarök battle, which is probably the most underwhelming final battle I've seen/played in quite a while.

[@leetycreation2037]

I can’t believe I watched the whole video. Didn’t think I was gonna make it through. And interestingly I am watching this video right after I finished watching the 2018 video you made and that’s what made this video even more interesting cause I know how much you loved the first one. I hated this one too so much and was waiting to see what you thought of it I literally went to the channel looking for the video. 😂😂😂 and to my surprise you said just what I felt playing the game out loud. Thank you so much.

[@LazerzZ]

Love to hear it! So glad the video resonated with you, I’m glad you enjoyed it. This video was super cathartic to make after seeing pretty much nothing but praise all over the internet, I felt like I was going completely insane 😂

[@trusttheprocess5618]

You opened me up to a whole new perspective honestly I was blinded by the love for the game I overlooked way to many things and didn’t care because I loved it. But yes your are 100% right it could’ve been better I feel it should’ve been one game not two almost like destiny in my eyes 2 different games that should’ve just been on one but who am I

[@paulosergio7532]

Well, for me Ragnarok writing is atrocious. They simply forgot that 2018 story was meant to be continued. So many continuity errors, a lot of contradictions and things that doesn't make any sense at all. Thor for example, in 2018 game is a genocidal maniac psychopath that kills everything and brutalized his own son for not winning against Kratos. After beating and breaking him, sent him to his death. In Ragnarok, Thor is just a fat alcoholic dad that liked to picnic with his family. (The same that he brutalized in 2018)

[@Thechozochampion]

It should have been a trilogy to set the big scale of what Ragnarok feels and to develop better the villains and explote better each realm and the north pantheon

[@localdude2979]

TL;DR: The traversal is incredibly unsatisfying, the enemies feel like too little, the map is a chore to walk around, the Mask plot was shitty, boring, came out of nowhere and nothing happend cause they get rid of it anyways, no more backstory about Baldur and dozens OF loose ends from the previous games story.

[@crest_o_razors]

I will admit, the pacing does pick up a bit too much after Brok dies and it does annoy me. It feels like right after he dies, they just decide to go and fight. The writing is also not entirely perfect, but it’s still great. I don’t like one part where Kratos just stands there when Atreus leaves and ends up in Asgard. It felt dumb and it’s probably the only major issue I have with the writing. Either way, Red Dead Redemption 2’s is better. The Ironwood section is also kinda whatever. And yeah, I loathe that they didn’t answer some of their questions, like who blew the horn and what the purpose of the mask was.

[@RedKnight17133th]

Nice of you to point out the subtext arguments and leave out the proper context of those scenes.

[@havewissmart9602]

Yesss, someone finally thinks this game is not good

[@animered9575]

I won't lie. I just completed 2018, and I haven't played Ragnarok, but I watched this 7-hour movie with all the important cutscenes and dialogue, and as a movie, it makes sense I can't lie

[@lewispooper3138]

A game is trash when you can “upload” that game in cutscenes

[@bipstymcbipste5641]

@@lewispooper3138 You can upload most games with a story using cutscenes

[@lewispooper3138]

@@bipstymcbipste5641 not the good ones The masterpieces like elden ring.

[@christopherbravo1813]

this game needs a rewrite.

[@alwaysdrunk5461]

What I absolutely didn‘t like about this game is the dialogue and this unnecessary MCU humor

[@josephrodriguez1715]

I agree that the game was rushed and condensed but I disagree with your take on what should happen to Freya. She only made her choice to die so that her son could live. Now that he's gone there is no reason for her to die despite maybe feeling like she partly wants to. But her joining forces with Kratos she slowly began to see reason instead of only rage. She understands, begrudgingly, that her son was evil and that Kratos had only good intentions when saving her life. So then she starts to turn her focus and rage into wanting to stop Odin/ start Ragnarock and she definitely understands that Kratos would be a great ally or tool to that end. Her dying would be pointless and make Freyr even more so.

[@9ii864]

This video perfectly encapsulates some of my problems with this game. Your remark of the first 2 hours being really good was the biggest relief for me to see someone else having had the same experience. It felt like THE sequel we’ve been waiting for but all of that has to slowly take a backseat for more world building and introduction of extra characters because 2 games had to be squished into one. Great video.

[@chapman2001]

They didn’t have to be squished into one tho? They wrapped everything up in this game 😂😂😂

[@Jolly9988]

Started off defensively as if youd offend fans. But really your complaint is that there wasnt MORE god of war. This is something we can all agree on!

[@CaesartheGrape]

I think this needed to be a trilogy. They needed to use this game to set up Ragnarok in the third game. They could have fleshed out the story and characterizations so much better with the extra time and wouldn’t have needed to rush to Ragnarok. Also too, Ragnarok would have been so much more impactful if it had an entire second game to set the stage and then a third game to take its time with Ragnarok and interweave all the connecting parts this series established. GOW 2018 was phenomenal but they definitely dropped the ball condensing 2 games into 1 and rushing through the story

[@Greenthing-zk5tn]

A great game needs critique. No game is perfect. I love Ragnarok, but we can always strive to be better. Critique is a step in that direction. I hope he tears it down, so the next game in the series can have some discussion for the developers to look at and see how they can improve.

[@kevinboueri1051]

If they would have played with the idea that Kratos died after the Thor fight, and Atreus bringing him up from helheim. It would have been awesome because one, it happened in gow from greek pantheon, and would have added to thor's intimidation

[@tristanboss7319]

I don't like that. Kratos has died too much.

[@paulosergio7532]

In fact Thor's intimidation was built in 2018 God of War. Remember how he was a genocidal violent psychopath? How he brutalized his own son for not winning against Kratos, and after beating and breaking him, Modi was sent to his death after Kratos. This is the intimidation. Ragnarok did a harder thing. They forgot 2018 script and turned Thor in a fat alcoholic dad that liked to picnic with his family. (The same he brutalized)

[@tristanboss7319]

@@paulosergio7532 He didn't send him to go die. His father learned his son died and that the other fleed, and in his rage and drunkenness took his anger out on his second son, blaming him for his death because he didn't protect his brother. Essentially he wanted someone to vent his anger on, and foolishly chose to blame the second son rather than himself. However this caused said son to try and kill kratos alone again in order to earn his father's forgiveness(thor never ordered him to go fight kratos), and because of his wounds was killed by atreus. As bad a person as thor was, he was self-aware enough that his action of taking his sorrow out on his second son is what led to his death. This is why he stopped drinking and can somewhat reason with thor and atreus, he still has a grudge against them, but deep down he blames himself more than them for his death. Kratos was pretty hopelessly evil too before he killed his family.

[@paulosergio7532]

@@tristanboss7319 Nope, you are just bringing the already changed character in the second game. First game he wasn't any of that you wrote. And Magni was sent to fight Kratos again, and to die. Thor original concept was like that, you're just implementing the bullshit of the second game to reason.