God of War Ragnarok - Freya Forgives Kratos for Killing Her Son Baldur

God of War Ragnarok - Freya Forgives Kratos for Killing Her Son Baldur
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[@user-uc4wf3ho3t]

I love how Kratos exactly knows what she went through and says she doesn't need to explain. He once went on a revenge for his child

[@coreyondavis6032]

and thats the best part

[@fadillangston9797]

A revenge?

[@yorhaalm]

@@fadillangston9797 They're referring to the original God of War series, where Kratos' reason for going on a pantheon slaying spree is because said Pantheon tricked him many a time, including killing his Greek wife and daughter, and kidnapping his brother.

[@pirateman1144]

@@yorhaalm I think they were pointing out the odd phrasing. "A revenge" rather than "a revenge mission" or whatever.

[@tylerchitmanotham3913]

It’s exactly what she told him in 2018 when kratos tried to apologize for how he acted when he found out she was a god🤧 it’s kinda like poetry, it sorta rhymes ifykyk

[@grant.5345]

God of War 1: Kill gods get bitches God of War Ragnarok: Watch this abused woman overcome her trauma

[@livinglegend9709]

Well actually god of war 1 "was kill god who took my family"

[@oddfreaks6452]

@@livinglegend9709 don’t forget the bitches

[@Rhino-Prime]

@@livinglegend9709 and get bitches (gow 2 opening cutscene)

[@SaintDamain]

Freya hints many times over the remainder of Ragnarök that she’s feeling on Kratos. So I think it’s still Kill Gods get bitches.

[@gandalfthewhite.5245]

@@SaintDamain kill gods, take their bitches, and take some more.

[@justintallman3398]

"I did not wish to live with killing you, no more than I wished to die" A++ on that line.

[@dragoncaptain678]

​​​@@Jaegar19Ultimathat's true. That line speaks volume. It wasn't his fault he needed to do what needed to be done to keep the one he calls "friend" safe

[@vittoriolasam912]

7:45 for anyone who's curious

[@user-pi1lb4tf2f]

"Do not tell me to kill things again" That line hurts more than it should. He killed his family, unknowingly Killed his brothers, the fates, his sister, the titans, fellow heroes, fellow victims, and lastly his father all just so he can try to kill himself in peace.

[@tadhggoreyoneill13666]

Freya doesn't understand that the last time Kratos carried out orders/was told to kill was the day he murdered his wife and daughter

[@cwolffe510]

He said it to Athena, and now he said it to Freya. Kratos refuses to allow himself to become someone else’s monster.

[@Blackcat21943]

@@tadhggoreyoneill13666how did kratos killed his family? I thought it was a cruel god

[@idrinkcofe]

also that's basically how Odin talks to Thor but she doesn't realize it due to her rage

[@ziggys9439]

Every single voice actor in this game just did a phenomenal job, seriously

[@reckszkingzactivitiesrkat.4134]

I know right they are super talented 🔥

[@oldkingcrow777]

The creative direction the devs took too. So good. The almost "evil" (living for eternity as all powerful beings probably takes its toll with becoming a sociopath) nature of the God's that work with Odin. So cool.

[@RealLuhX]

Not all, the maain protagonist fs, but other than thor, the norse pantheon sounded like west coast Americans

[@ziggys9439]

@@RealLuhX I’m talking strictly as far as emotion goes, considering the whole game is spoken in modern English i feel like accent is not as important to me

[@patricknez7258]

Spot on

[@balamb25]

Just realize that "No need to explain. Not to me. Not for that." was the exact words that Freya said to Kratos before he left to retrieve the blades of chaos, after he treated her bad when finding out she was a god. Full circle. Love these two.

[@yarapah]

Holy shit

[@michaelwijaya2664]

Yeah goes full circle all over her head m8 :)

[@ZhaoYun320]

yo i just caught that...shit...thanks for reminding me of that moment. I forgot she said it to him first... damn thanks for the reminder XD

[@Hadfield15]

It really does come full circle a few times in Ragnarok. Especially with “Don’t be sorry, father. Be better”

[@infernas]

My understanding is that the "that" being referenced is what they as parents would do for their child, the lengths they would go to protect them (or in Freya's case, to avenge). Kratos was angry in the first game because he saw all gods as the same and he wanted to protect Atreus from that life, and Freya empathized with him because she would have done the same. And Freya was attacking Kratos in the second game for Baldur, and the roles are reversed. So, "you don't need to explain, I love my kid to death too and would do crazy unimaginable shit for them" or something.

[@shuttlecrossing7084]

I love that Kratos doesn't interfere when Freya is removing the roots of her binding spell. He lets her defeat her past on her own.

[@utkarshdewan8736]

Good observation

[@gregordrizzlewing7339]

Kratos a ladies man ;)

[@onepieceking1770]

Indeed if I were him I'd do the same cus its wat she was after the whole time the journey to vanaheim her home to end the suffering where it all started that's her life she decides to make

[@jackblack9605]

He does the same with Odin. He doesn't deliver the killing blow but leaves it to Freya. He knows it's not his trauma and wants to give her agency and closure

[@JayAshBranAudioScripts]

The way she said, “GET OUT OF ME,” that is centuries of pent up rage, brokenness, and sorrow just exploding. Poor Freya

[@AndereundIch]

Truely deserved better

[@itsasquid]

Honestly. Freya has always been a standout character for me, but her arc in this game was so much better than I ever thought. That line was so heartbreaking.

[@JayAshBranAudioScripts]

@@itsasquid It was. This game definitely deserves all the awards

[@anthony-be6fl]

Considering what she did to her child, I think she deserved it. But in the end, I'm still glad she got her freedom and learned a lesson from it all.

[@SaintDamain]

Canonically, Freya is 100. So it’d be decades of pent up rage.

[@NotThatSocially]

It's really funny though, Freya's hatred for Kratos directly parallels Baldur's hatred for Freya. I like to think this is her karma in a way. She couldn't understand why Baldur was angry with her despite her own intentions being pure, so when Kratos robbed her of her choice, despite good intentions, she has now learned the hard way why what she did really was wrong.

[@sethgonzalez1716]

You can almost hear it in her breaths realizing this and she doesnt say a word after

[@safourgardpa5459]

And it's paralleled again when she recites Baldr's speech to Odin almost word for word

[@ngmeylan]

I think she knew and understood pretty well why he hated her, but still held onto her fear. It's like when someone cheats on their spouse: most of them know that what they're doing is wrong, but they still do it

[@darkabz2346]

Good observation

[@Toto-95]

pretty nice interpretation

[@krabbykat9918]

I guess she portrays what a genuinely kind-hearted person actually is

[@denijovanovic9935]

but no! we must be better!

[@DronesOverTheMoon]

@Joël Resentful mother would be the better word

[@hieuhoang2008]

A kind but so broken that it made her unreasonable. Gosh I love this game writting

[@chriswihulu]

Kindness overpowered by the negative outcomes of it, to the point that she thought the only kind thing she could do, was allow her son to kill her

[@deaganachomarunacathasaigh4344]

@Joël Have someone kill someone belonged to you and we'll see how well you take it

[@neonspartan99]

10:46 I love that little detail when Kratos asks her whether she had decided to kill him or not, he also readies his axe, not to fight her but to defend himself in case she goes crazy again

[@reckszkingzactivitiesrkat.4134]

Exactly it was a really good scene 🔥🔥🔥.

[@Gabronthe]

I think if she attacked him, Kratos would have just killed her then and there.

[@reckszkingzactivitiesrkat.4134]

@@Gabronthe Of course , he would have did it easy ✅.

[@crystalblade1074]

@@Gabronthe no i don't think he would after all he's not here for debts meaning he's helping her out of his own choice and that debt of killing her son still remains

[@JimmyMacram]

@@reckszkingzactivitiesrkat.4134 How dumb are ya'll? He's already said several times he doesn’t want to live with killing her.

[@lunchbox997]

13:09 while its a small moment, Kratos is recollecting his composure and his thoughts as he thinks back to Greece and to his own anger, and how he just prevented Freya from making the same mistakes as himself. I love it.

[@AndereundIch]

And here i thought it was more about the Gods of his Homeland taking away all Choices from him.

[@garrett29west]

The devs said they let the camera linger on kratos because he was also afraid of losing one of the first real friends he had and he knew it was a chance shed walk away. he was relieved for himself also.

[@Kaitos11]

@@dolo_ren Kratos had been holding back greatly against her as he's pretty much unbeatable if he let's lose. Freya actually asked him why he never wanted to fight her and he implied an actual fight would end up with him killing her; he said this without any hint of ego or arrogance.

[@user-su8wo4cc4u]

@@dolo_ren nah bro he doesn't even need to breathe near her to kill her

[@gandalfthewhite.5245]

@@Kaitos11 hey, she still technically bested him. She is a very difficult opponent for kratos. He would probably win in the end, but it would be an extremely hard battle.

[@lucaswilliams2292]

8:22 You can hear in Kratos’s voice how much Freya pissed him off. For a moment there, he sounded like he was back in Greece. He doesn’t wanna run around killing gods for gods anymore.

[@livinglegend9709]

That's what I'm saying. His whole life he's been in someone's debt making his life miserable 😂

[@genyatusamaki1219]

​​@@livinglegend9709eah like the gods wanted the debt that kratos owes but he didn't owe them anything, all he asked for his nightmares to go away but they didn't do that and they gave him something he didnt asked for. Athena: I made u a god, I sheltered u from the wrath of Olympus, I delivered your revenge on zeus! So u owe me. Kratos: Bitch I didn't asked you to do anything of that.

[@corrosivedipz7451]

Freya’s voice actress did such a good job from her cries to her grunts she has so much emotional range it feels so outrageously real

[@ninjachannel007]

Freya is such a great character. I've never even played this game, just watching gameplay I can see she has such depth. Like she was threatening Atreus but it was clear she wouldn't hurt him because she's still a protective mother in her heart.

[@doomy_doomy2225]

Still worse mom of the year award

[@Rhysman30]

Shes a good person at heart. He knew she wouldn't stoop to such a vicious act of vengeance as to pay for a sons life with another.

[@gamester512]

@@Rhysman30 Plus, after Kratos tells her about Calliope, she finally understands that Kratos truly does understand her pain....perhaps better than anyone else ever could. Kratos himself wants the rage and anger over the deaths of his wife and daughter to fade, but it never has, and likely never will. Plus, Freya also understands that Kratos never *wanted* to kill Baldur (Kratos gave Baldur multiple times to just....stop. But Baldur repeatedly refused), but Baldur gave him no choice in the matter and forced his hand, as if Kratos were to have refrained from killing Baldur, then he would have killed Freya. Kratos never wanted to cause Freya the same pain, but he wasn't given a choice in the matter.

[@tranquilmischief]

I liked how in the first game she says "I'm still a god go away."

[@bastalam]

All I see from her is whining for issues she caused in the first place.

[@spectreshot8536]

Everyone talks about Christopher Judge and his performance IS amazing but God damn Danielle Bisutti is giving her all and her performance is just as great.

[@spnsman1]

Her shriek when she misses Kratos with one of her vines is intense

[@evantambolang3052]

@@spnsman1 I just realised that she also played as that ghost lady in Insidious 2

[@MrOrangie9000]

His little sigh of relief at the end... just hits the heartstrings. She's his "friend". And he'd to have to kill another friend because of unfortunate circumstances.... got me all choked up man.

[@StrangerForever85]

Is this in reference to Orkos? I’m still working my way through the Greek series, so forgive me if I miss something from 1, Ghost of Sparta, 2 or 3.

[@livinglegend9709]

@@StrangerForever85 your playing it in order right? Because if you are then ascensions is first. That'd the one orkos is in

[@StrangerForever85]

@@livinglegend9709 , yeah. I started with Ascension, then played Chains of Olympus. Still working my way through 1. Anyways, I was asking in case there was someone else other than Orkos.

[@livinglegend9709]

@@StrangerForever85 I got you. Yeah there are more instances Once you get to ghost.

[@alexanderharding3078]

I think his also relieved that she did not try to repeat the same mistakes that he made, kind of like through his counsel some good came out of his mistakes in Greece.

[@Sinaduel]

Problem is, Freya is a character in denial. She turned her son into a monster, and then refused to see it even as he tried in every way to prove it to her.

[@girl1213]

It's one of the many, many reasons she's angry. She knows she had a part in her son's death, but she needs time to accept her guilt...just as Kratos had to accept his guilt in his own wife and daughter's death. They are very much alike in both their angry and denial. But that's why Kratos is fighting so hard to save her by giving her choices: because no one did that for him.

[@wiilov]

There we go. Someone that sees it. The FLAW of a mother's love.

[@aeso3555]

Good thing is, the Norns gave her the wake up call she needed.

[@tigrispanthera5496]

omg 😱 maybe like she’s grieving

[@yellowbeard1]

She did learn a bit more when they met the Norns. What she saw there messed with her

[@starslip8575]

I really love the look on Freya's face at the "she was our friend" line as she comes to the realization that she can't do this. Also Kratos' reaction to being commanded to kill. Basically all of their interactions are fantastic.

[@hesnotbad9045]

The moment when kratos stops bear Atreus from attacking her is so good. The realization that her rage won’t be vindicated by response and that he won’t kill her, even in the most dire of circumstances. Beautiful

[@gtvn2775]

Well that and she just create a cycle where atreus would seek to avenge kratos and brutally kill her for it to end. Atreus was fully set on killing her in his bear form from rage.

[@zillafire101]

​@@gtvn2775 And she doesn't hate Atreus. The revenge would be empty, and she'd hurt a boy she saw as akin to a surrogate son.

[@lopey5035]

Love how even when she threatens Atreus you can tell they're empty threats. She still harbors a motherly love for him.

[@justinejavines7333]

I love how Freya has come an option now to channel her anger and rage towards Odin instead of Kratos. She is an amazing character indeed. I can't wait to get to see her more GOW sequels

[@tommoore2012]

With her son and brother both dead she quite literally has no reason to stay in any of the 9 realms. At the end of the game she took Atreus on as a surrogate son but he's gone now too. There isn't really any way to justify her not going with Kratos to wherever he goes next.

[@yagooeyboi8589]

@tommoore2012 True but in Lore she apparently has another two Children, Where they come from or who the father is, is the question

[@triadwarfare]

​@@yagooeyboi8589does that mean ⭕️?

[@Sonceria]

she is the worst character of the series. odin at least knows what he is, she has the audacity to only care about what baldurs death would do to her instead of what baldurs living would do for him and not see herself for what she is. all she sees is that she's a mother, that's all. she doesn't even try to give baldur justice because she offers her life in a way where baldur can kill her in a way where she doesn't deserve death but if baldur wants to kill her than so be it. that's not even true justice. true justice would be baldur killing her while she gets no pity and no right to see it as messed up, it should be seen as rightfully so like everyone saw odins death as rightfully so.

[@anonimothy5979]

I was hoping we'd finally move on to defeating Egyptian gods by the next game

[@ChaosChanneler]

Kratos has by far one of the best character developments in video games. He started as a rage monster hell bent on destroying all who he perceived wronged him in his life. Now he is dispensing decently wise wisdom to characters that helps them move on from there burdens that he initially wronged.

[@livinglegend9709]

I mean the gods back then did screw his whole life up each game biting away at his humanity. Ascension to 1 he wasn't really angry, he was just looking for answers and revenge on ares. It wasn't until ghost he really lost it

[@ShadowWolf0020]

He wasn't a rage monster until 3, hell, literally look at the ending of 1 when Athena denied the removal of his memories and tell me that's full of rage

[@chickbowdrie4750]

Yeah, that wise wisdom sure is wise

[@edwardking9359]

​@@ShadowWolf0020 He was a rage monster from the very start. It's why he entered the service of Area to begin with

[@ShadowWolf0020]

@edwardking9359 but he wasn't *just* a rage monster, he was also a loving husband and father and loved his brother and Sparta. After everything that happened up to 1, he was more or less a somewhat broken man at that point

[@wjbushjr]

But here's the thing... she didn't really forgive him. She had to move on slowly.

[@anglepsycho]

It's more of an acceptance in grief, so it is a form of forgiveness with not immediately killing him and hearing how he atoned and fully told he had no right to kill him but it was the right thing to keep her alive as the trade knowing Baldur was only living a life of senseless hell.

[@Makorze]

She didn't need to forgive him because because looking past her anger, its Odin that got her son killed, hes the one who sent Baldur to Kratos door in the first place. Kratos only defended himself, his son and her from Baldur.

[@matasa7463]

@@Makorze Baldur was the culmination of three mistakes - the father's, the mother's, and the son's. Odin was an absolute ass that made sure his family was entirely broken and dysfunctional from the start, but Freya's way of protecting Baldur made his life a sort of living hell instead. Baldur could've tried to be understanding and at least looked at maybe protecting his mother from his abusive father, as many other abused children have done - perhaps the see that there are useful upsides to the magic that was on him, and he could now fight every fight without losing. Instead, he wallowed in his own misery and chose not to move forward with his life. None of the mistakes that were made were Kratos', he only acted to prevent the cycle of tragedy.

[@ShaneDouglas713]

@@matasa7463 FACTS

[@hartantoanggoro]

@@matasa7463 if Baldur left alive, Freya will die and Odin just doesn't care at all. Baldur also doesn't know what he will do at that time since he got his senses back, but either way he will die in the hands of Thor for insubordination.

[@_The_Traveler_]

12:51 Notice Kratos' apology simply ended with him admitting what he did wrong. No explanation, no long list of "reasons" things happened the way they did, just "I was wrong". He didn't even ask her to forgive him, he just owned up. A lot of us should be taking notes, especially in 2022... Edit: It's encouraging to see that most people interacting with this post understand the assignment, and don't need the leverage of singling out one group or another when one can simply _take accountability._ Good job humanity.

[@cult_of_odin]

Thats what men do. The feminine mentality needs to justify things to themselves. The masculine accepts and moves forward.

[@_The_Traveler_]

@@cult_of_odin Well there are a ton of PEOPLE, men and women, that desperately need this advice in the modern age. Hubris isn't a respecter of gender.

[@hansalanson3497]

@@cult_of_odin Making it a feminine/masculine thing is ironically a very un-Kratos thing to say. There are plenty of men out there who frames their reckless and unemphatic actions as "strength to do what needs to be done" when it wasn't. Bet many people would have told Freya that to suck it up and said that their killing of Baldur was completely justified in Kratos' place. Many people who identify with Kratos, sadly, won't do and say what he did or anything better.

[@Clown_Syndrome]

@@cult_of_odin says the person with a feminine name lol

[@CozyKG]

This shit crumbles given any actual thought

[@wesleycolvin7158]

No one ever really 'moves on' from trauma. They learn to compartmentalize the pain in such a way that it cannot consume them, but it will always be there in some way. Kratos knew that and understood how to channel his experiences to help her find a better path.

[@ebusive]

Gna's journal entry on Freya was absolutely spot on. Up until the moment she chose to stop fighting Kratos she was a person who lived as a perpetual victim, refusing to own their own part in their misery.

[@AlexRaziel1]

Kratos saying "no need to explain, not to me, not for that" its a callback from the previous game when kratos try to apologise to freya for getting mad with her for being a god a not tell him

[@bananajoe1019]

"The choice between life and death should have been yours to make" -a warriors apology

[@LordBoZman]

I just love that Kratos uses Freya's own words back at her from when she told him not to worry about his anger for finding out she's a goddess.

[@CandleWisp]

Oh yeah, didn't cross my mind! "Freya, last we spoke... " "No need explain, not to me"

[@shairazaman403]

That minor detail at 1:29 in the tent, I think she has kept Baldur's body with her all this time. Freaking chills

[@tashibalampkin8555]

Oh my gosh. She still had her son's corpse.

[@ther3ap3r86]

That’s Hildisvini in his boar form

[@michaeldwyer2244]

So that's where it's been

[@BrownSoldier96]

@@ther3ap3r86Is that confirmed?

[@vickysib0611]

Reverse Norman Bates

[@kara1704]

No one ever points this out but that sigh Freya gives when Brok tags along is one of the funniest moments in the game for me

[@basketballTaco]

It's his sudden appearance after seemingly leaving that cracks me up. And of course he cuts right through the tense stare-down with his plain talk.

[@viloetmarsh3467]

@@basketballTaco Brok😭😭

[@ninetailwarrior]

9:55 I love how she does the same kind of “im free” pose baldur did when he got rid of his curse .

[@Pyrela]

What she thinks: She decided to let him live. Reality: She decided to let herself live.

[@TranshumanMarissa]

no no.. I almost feel like this Kratos would almost be unable to bring his full might on her. he might even be unable to really harm her. After all, he has felt her pain, and even explicitly stops harm to her. ..unless you meant deciding to let herself live in the more.. metaphorical way, in which case, I actually agree, lol.

[@snakezase2998]

She literally can’t cause any harm

[@CabbageSandwich]

​@@TranshumanMarissa The curse of Persephone means she could very likely never kill kratos no matter what she did. Alternatively, Kratos doesnt necessarily have to rage out in order to defeat her, very likely, eventually he would simply mercy kill her as he did for baulder.

[@TranshumanMarissa]

@@CabbageSandwich First of all, Its implied the magic and curses of Kratos homland died with it. Its evidently a small miricle Kratos is still a god, and kept some measure of his power, so I doubt any specific ability or curse from those long dead gods holds any real power left. Further, considering Kratos has both said that Freya might kill him, and has said that he considers killing her to be as bad as dying himself, I almost feel like even if he got the advantage against her despite his sympathy, he would be very unlikely to be able to finish the fight. Im not saying he *cannot* win, Im only saying people are kinda forgetting that this isnt the Kratos from the original games, and even the Kratos from the original games would have hesitated here.

[@CabbageSandwich]

@@TranshumanMarissa Huh, If the curses of the old gods died, im at a loss as to why kratos is so powerful, a mere mortal would have no chance at all against the like sof these guys.

[@PapaJupiter_]

8:09 I know Freya was shook when he said that he sounded like the old Kratos

[@girl1213]

And as the story goes on, she will find she was right to be shaken: she is literally dealing with a God-killer. Humbled as he is, Kratos still has the power to destroy gods. What Kratos is trying avoid though...is another Athena. She told him to kill after all.

[@jakealkemn4753]

"No need to explain. Not to me. Not for that." Those were the exact words from Freya in GoW1 after Kratos brought Atreus to her when Atreus gotten ill, then was about to apologize. Here it switched role. Nice writing here!

[@natie331]

Her pose when she's free of her curse reminds me of Baldur's

[@anjaneyasreetrout2444]

Nice catch.

[@tygarner9142]

OOOOOHH THAT’S GOOD

[@coltbusick6644]

“I can feel this… I can feel everything!”

[@Tallgeese03]

Ohh shittttt

[@selfsustainedhippie2859]

Same with the color scheme, it looked almost identical

[@JokerCrowe]

11:20 Freya's voice actress was always good, but she absolutely KILLS this part. You can really feel the rage, hurt, grief and hopelessness she feels when she says "IT'LL ALWAYS BE ANGRY". The animation department also did an amazing job in conveying her emoitons on screen. I know it's mo-capped, but the finishing touches they've added just take it to another level.

[@Ruby_Eve]

Also love the lines right beneath her eyes. Looking like permanent crying

[@lesevesel2898]

Bisutti and Judge have incredible chemistry. Tip of the cap to the both of them. Outstanding performances.

[@godknightomega]

"But the choice between life and death should've been your to make. I should not have robbed you of that choice." I think that line hit Freya personally. It was the whole reason for this situation in the first place. Because she couldn't let Baldur go, she robbed him of the choice to experience both pain AND pleasure. Freya gave Baldur immortality but it robbed him of what little "humanity" he had. Turning him into the angry and sadistic monster he became. Pretty sure Odin's genes and tutelage didn't help either.

[@st0ryt3ll3r8]

Even without playing the original trilogy, you can tell this game has Greek origins because everything is so tragic

[@JongleDush]

This is such a crazy world. Atreus and Freya just chatting, Atreus getting familiar with everyone in Asgard... Atreus, Kratos, and even the Aesir gods have killed one another, and yet they're all walking around with each other as well. The Gods don't immediately kill to get revenge, they talk things out, or they meet up and organize a proper fight, maybe they'll kill immediately out of revenge, but at such unpredictable moments.

[@ewbait]

It’s definitely more realistic compared to the murderfest of the OG God of War games. Sometimes things do get talked out, but there is also violence of passion in moments of weakness.

[@dangilbertson592]

So much testimony to how much Kratos had grown. Even with a blade to his neck, he would not kill her because she saved Atreus' life. To help her learn from his mistakes and to not turn into what he used to be.

[@kingartison]

5:31 I’ve heard that type of scream many times before it’s not human it’s from the soul it’s from the heavy part of the spirit it’s understood by anything that can hear and she captured it perfectly !!! So much respect

[@Raptor747]

I actually really love that first scene with Atreus and Freya. It shows not only that Atreus is still flawed, inexperienced, reckless, and not quite understanding of others yet, but that he is also reckless because he believes the best in people and is willing to risk his life to try helping even people dangerous to him. He manages to pacify her hostility to him so effectively that it's easy to forget that he's just a kid. How does he convince her not to kill him then and there? "You're better than this." It's not an excuse for himself or a moral argument, it's expressing a belief in her positive qualities. He has faith in her. And he says that he came alone, that his father doesn't even know where he is. This is a huge show of trust--revealing his vulnerability in the moment while also showing that he really means it when he's come to her about something that has nothing to do with Kratos. How does he convince her that Ragnarok isn't just going to take care of Odin for her? He tells her the truth, things that most other characters wouldn't be so open about, especially with regards to themselves. He tells her that he is a half-giant, that he has prophesies about him, and that he needs her help.

[@actaemazantor9558]

Freya's facial animation is simply great, they managed to really make us feel her inner fights, struggles, choices, anger and despair just through her face.

[@G3rain1]

It's mocaped from an actor, not animated.

[@triadwarfare]

​@@G3rain1mocap is still not a perfect technology. They'll still need to fix it in post.

[@U4ia28]

I love how Kratos telling Freya that she doesn’t have no need to explain, not to him, not for that is a callback to the first game when Freya said that exact same thing to him went he was sent to helheim for the trolls heart to cure Atreus.

[@mr.hawklingiii8739]

They really did a great job highlighting Freya’s grief and anger and how it affected her physical appearance

[@melissajade7717]

Yeah she look like she been through some SHIT! lol

[@vickysib0611]

She was way hotter in GOW 2018

[@silentservant_]

7:01 😂😂 her reaction never gets old

[@jinzuka2011]

Interesting choice of words that Kratos uses. "No need to explain. Not to me. Not for that." Is the same words Freya used in the last game when he was going to apologize for his reaction to finding out she is a god.

[@geanneangelonoora3533]

"But the choice between life and death should've been yours to make, I should not have robbed you of that choice." That line hits different knowing he once tried taking his own on a previous game on the GoW Series.

[@theashman4290]

Tbh Freya’s va should have gotten an award for her role, easily the best voice acting in the game bar Kratos

[@ryugathecrook6504]

Kratos using his words and not violence is always satisfying to watch

[@tylerspiers2671]

8:19 the way this conversation goes back and forth is so organic holy shit the voice actors in general really made this game what it is

[@soldiergigas14]

There is something saddening when Freyja screams "get out"! "Get out of me"! She falls to the ground gasping for air almost like she was in pain. Was the curse not only holding Frejya's physical body but her very soul too? And she could feel the knots breaking and it's hurting her?

[@ChristianVillamil]

That curse was the last remnant of control Odin had on her. After so much suffering caused to her by him, breaking the roots was the freedom she sought for a lifetime.

[@SaintDamain]

Think of it like this. Freya was the queen of a powerful race. Vanir magic is able to rival Aesir strength. Even so, she knew in all out war, the Vanir could not defeat the Aesir. Mimir brokers a marriage for peace. A marriage she did not want. She surrendered herself to decades of emotional torment and fake platitudes in order to keep her kingdom safe. Imagine allowing your greatest enemy to have sex with you whenever he wants so that he doesn’t kill your family. Only for him to kill your family anyway after a few decades. Odin is a staple in her mind. A paramount personification of the loss of her own free will. That’s what she meant when she’s said get out of me. That was the last piece of control he had over her.

[@soldiergigas14]

@@SaintDamain That... is exactly what i was thinking when she shouted "get out", "get out of me"... That's $#@&ed up... Like... Berserk level $#@&ed up.

[@pickedceasar1216]

I love that this game closed the book on the Ghost of Sparta chapter in Kratos' life. Now he can finally open a new book and write a hopefully bright new story

[@pickedceasar1216]

Crazy how at the end of two pantheons he still has all the hope in the world

[@AndereundIch]

At least we can still pick up with him traveling the world and becoming his old self again.

[@pickedceasar1216]

@@AndereundIch eh I'd prefer him not regress back to a cruel war God who kills without a second thought

[@AndereundIch]

@@pickedceasar1216 I recently played gow 1-3 and he did try to spare some Gods. Its just that they all wanted him dead.. or protect someone and therefore ended up standing in his way. Gotta say tho, he is way more brutal in the sidegames like Ghost of Sparta

[@KhaosTy]

Anyone else notice that Kratos repeats at 12:17 what Freya told him in the first game after Atreus got sick?

[@alertedcoyote7892]

I love the "no need to explain. Not to me. Not for that." Translation: "Oh you think YOU went on a rampage huh?"

[@Mago.-]

Lol, ik right? He went out of his way to kill 2 complete pantheons of divine entitys that ruled the greek world, to avange his family and kill the 2 gods that betrayed him. Like literally, Ares and Zeus where the only ones truly deserving to die here, may be gaia too, but the rest just had it coming for standing in the way. See Sasuke? THATS how revenge is supoused to look like.

[@AndereundIch]

@@Mago.- Bringing up Sasuke just makes me angry. Lives his life to kill his brother and three minutes after that he is the biggest fan of the very same brother.

[@Mago.-]

@@AndereundIch Exactly why i brought up Sasukes "revenge"

[@DoctorWu23]

Freya and Kratos were the best part of Ragnarok. I loved doing quests with her.

[@paga8392]

Unbelievable how well written this game is…

[@parkerdixon-word6295]

I absolutely love the *venom* in the word 'Maybe' around 5:45. A lovely performance, so much *anger* in it, like she's constantly fighting herself to make the choices she's making.

[@tdjkhazard4522]

Seems like you’re having a *lot* of fun with *this* KZbin feature

[@MegaManDBZX]

Freya: You took my child. Kratos: I can probably fix that. Mimir: Why do I hear “Candy Shop” playing?

[@xroselilith0560]

lmao

[@FreemanicParacusia]

⭕️ Mimir: No, brother, at least set me aside first!

[@3sixgod36]

Bruh 🤣🤣💀

[@ArcienPlaysGames]

12:16 was SUCH a good throwback to the last GoW. As soon as Kratos said "Not to me..." I sat there with a stupid smile on my face because I knew what quote was next.

[@patrickcousins1489]

Lots of comments on these videos about Kratos and Freya ending up in some kind of relationship. Who knows how the writers will handle it moving forward, but I think it would be a waste if they did it that way. We see them growing in respect for one another, often grudgingly, and learning how to carry on as allies despite knowing the terrible decisions they have each made and the heavy burdens of guilt and grief they both carry. There is a great nobility in the alliance they build that would feel diminished to me if they added a romantic component.

[@itsmeyaboy8987]

Well fucking said man! Romance in situations like theirs doesn't need to be injected. It's really not needed here. There are way way more relationship dynamics out there and these should be explored.

[@ythandlename]

Honestly I hope not. I don't think Kratos could love another again after losing two important women and Freya respects Kratos for his heroic struggles and sympathizes with him since the only thing that's holding them together is not losing more than they have already lost. Also personally, I think it's too cheesy of a development.

[@lyq232]

Depends on how far into the future the next story is. Having a sequel placed shortly after this where they romanced would be distasteful. But they could pull it off if they wait long enough. Would be like those 70-80 y.o. folks whose previous spouse have both left them, who may find romance again in their old days

[@spaghettibolognese5838]

i really really REALLY REALLY don’t want them to get together

[@DabiSimp1]

the only reason I think it MIGHT happen is because freya has daughters in mythology that aren't in the god of war timeline let

[@TheScarlettKing]

4:22 why does nobody talk about how strong Atreus is when blindly enraged. He flings Freya backwards, even through Kratos attempting to stop him…

[@kingartison]

You know a bear is still a bear no matter where

[@ultragamezz]

I enjoyed how blinded by rage freya was, so much to the point that she didn't realize that kratos was holding back so much and that he could have squashed her like a fly 😂.

[@DaJodad]

You are really underestimating Freya, she was quite literally only second to Odin.

[@ecoemmanuel8156]

"no need to explain.not to me. not for that." i just realized freya said the same thing to kratos when he asked for her help to save atreus on the first game and he tried to apologize for the way he acted after finding out she's a goddess. 🥺🥺

[@btbarr16]

Freya's definitely going to be in the next game. The subdued heaving of relief after Freya walks buy Kratos is not a finale, it's a foundation. For Kratos to show that kind of emotion, as far as emotion that's not anger for Kratos goes, is pretty impactful moment to waste going forward after this game.

[@ViperDivinity]

I thought it was Ragnarok would be the final game for the Norse Mythology.

[@Dinant010]

Kinda hope there isnt a next game. I Loved the norse saga. But the ending is to good to have a other game. Kratos got what he deserved.

[@RobScatman]

In the past, Kratos wouldn't have thought twice about killing an ally who attempted to take his life. I'm so happy Kratos is a better man.

[@livinglegend9709]

Depends on which game. If this was god of war ghost to 3 kratos, he would've slaughtered her on the spot. If this was ascension to 1 he wouldn't kill her as quickly seeing that he already would know her

[@demonguy5082]

8:08 Freya acrually push that "My Monster" button but Kratos hold his anger. She'd be in pieces if this was Greek Kratos.

[@seanskehan7293]

The second she she says “or I kill you” and he moves his axe, you already know he’s ready to kill her if he had to.

[@genyatusamaki1219]

Yep because he gave her two chances to stop from two previous fights and this was her last chance to make a choice and she chose not to kill him which is a good thing because vengeance would get her killed anyway.

[@seanskehan7293]

@@genyatusamaki1219 oh guaranteed if Kratos wasn’t holding back she’d be dead already. It’s only because she saved Atreus that he yields a little

[@kinopiko01]

I love Kratos's apology to Freya. Usually apologies come with long explainations about bs that no one has the time for. Usually people pretend to be very dramatic in camera to make people think that they care. He knows what are the wrongs he did to Freya, and he just spills it out like to the point. Usually a misconception about getting to the point is that getting to the point makes people think that you don't care, while getting to the point, and also making sure you know what you are going to say already says a lot more than just talking so much just for lame excuses. And the to the point words that comes out of Kratos' apology to Freya had Freya smile. Which signifies that she is able to let her son rest in peace and restart her friendship with the father of a boy she promised she will take care of when he is sick by the boy's father himself.

[@iknowmyopiniondoesntmatter1157]

06:56 brok just volunteering himself is such a chad move

[@ChrisRedfield13]

I love how kratos takes out his axe as a precaution incase Freya went through with her plan 🔥

[@strandedgeek]

And what makes it subtly brilliant is how he holds it. He holds it steady, firmly but not automatically in a combat ready pose like he's expecting her to throw down instantly. Aww the details. 🔥

[@ChrisRedfield13]

@@strandedgeek right!?

[@enigma6357]

Time stamp?

[@coreyondavis6032]

kratos has taught me to be more opened and humbled. mad respect to a god who was first a killing machine to a protector

[@timleonhardt7824]

Kratos has become the best character in video game history for how drastically different he changed from the previous games. Up until Ragnarok, he was so hell-bent on getting his revenge against the Gods for what they did to him, he didn't care about other people's problems. He's come a very long way to redeem himself. So glad to hear that Christopher Judge got the award. He's earned it.

[@joyofsun7378]

Freya: All those times I found you why'd you refuse to fight me? Kratos: Every outcome would mean defeat. Freya: What does that mean? Kratos: Ask your son.

[@bigfootadmirer8627]

12:16 a point to kratos showing respect and a point for showing he is understanding the pain

[@yopz4419]

Freya will have 2 sons ( Byleistr and Helblindi) and 2 daughter ( hnoss & gersemi) based on the lore

[@hasanhaitham276]

O L1+R1 L2+R2

[@sabersroommate8293]

Damn she better remarry then.

[@wingzero2066]

Might be Kratos future kids.

[@billys4683]

An a Step Son

[@kevinzki21]

Kratos and Atreus come out of Ragnarok with those big "O" per each of them

[@Robertward111]

"Didn't ask nor do I need your forgiveness. But thanks."

[@Doctor_Jadepink]

"I do not regret saving your life, and never will. But the choice between life and death should have been yours to make, I should not have robbed you of that choice" This phrase hits so hard, before it remarks that Kratos knows he has done the same selfish mistake Freya did with Baldur and fully understands why that mistake was made in the first place.

[@nateborie6329]

Knowing how most villains in this franchise get their start, I wouldn't have mind if Freya had stayed a villain. But for the purpose of this story, I think her redemption arc and her chance for vengeance were absolutely phenomenal moments in this game.

[@shourian5646]

Deep, Deep in Freya's Heart, she missed Kratos and Atreus

[@Editor_Brad]

Kratos, who has been through this whole destruction once before, who has lost everything and who has taken everything before, actually saying sorry and even promising something to Freya is just amazing character development.

[@seanwhitehall4652]

7:30 awesome lines from Kratos

[@chaoticlokis]

Kratos is the God-Killer, and for him to be the friend of Freya, a goddess, really shows how much they both understand and respect each other. Both of them have lost everything they loved, and that's what makes them so great friends - they understand each other's losses. Edit: And I absolutely love how Freya became the mother Atreus sadly never had... Her saying that she was proud of the man he has become would be the exact thing Laufey (Faye) would have said if she was alive.

[@cursedheavy8860]

5:07 I love how at this moment, you can see what Freya is thinking. Why does Kratos get to fuss and worry over his son while hers is dead? How is it fair that her son's killers are caring for each other in the way she never could've? This game is a storytelling masterpiece, holy shit.

[@SALEENS7GTR5]

She has so many conflicting emotions from the person she is and the struggles she has gone through. Freya is so angry Kratos is there to console his son, but she also sees the compassion Kratos has for Artreus and the fact that Kratos stopped Artreus from harming Freya. She wants a reason to kill them both, to vindicate her anger and sadness, but knows truly deep down that she is better than that and has compassion for Artreus, and by extension, Kratos, still. Her soul is fighting her every day, it's brutal.

[@SALEENS7GTR5]

She has so many conflicting emotions from the person she is and the struggles she has gone through. Freya is so angry Kratos is there to console his son, but she also sees the compassion Kratos has for Artreus and the fact that Kratos stopped Artreus from harming Freya. She wants a reason to kill them both, to vindicate her anger and sadness, but knows truly deep down that she is better than that and has compassion for Artreus, and by extension, Kratos, still. Her soul is fighting her every day, it's brutal.

[@MrTaurenshaman]

The story, both narrative and character development, in this game is some of the best writing and voice acting I've seen in years, they really knew what they were doing

[@riftwalk2546]

You forgot one of the key moments where Freya understood Kratos. When Kratos told her about his daughter

[@superbombyman1501]

13:14 The same look of relief I feel after calming my angry wife

[@Whosaskin]

It's astonishing to see how wise has Kratos grown

[@falcon0262]

I love the movements at 10:47 kratos doesnt want to fight freya, as he states during the trip to this moment *(im pretty sure) but as she states her options he just casually readies the axe..., i love it, hes clearly reluctant but will fight if needbe

[@Marvolo14]

Later on when Freya tells Kratos that maybe Atreus would benefit from having a motherly presence in his life it's such a real life moment in a larger than life narrative. Here are two gods in a rowboat and one of them is asking to be a mother to a child that isn't hers. It's those small human moments that make these games great.

[@daytonshand7155]

Kratos’ sigh of relief after knowing he saved himself 💀😂

[@1nva0er55]

*Kratos's sigh of relief after knowing he wouldn't have to kill Freya

[@tychormthorp]

Devs setting them up to smang maybe

[@daytonshand7155]

thats what im thinkin… 😶

[@daytonshand7155]

@@1nva0er55 lmao i know, but he said he wouldnt allow himself to do it, hed rather let her kill him

[@azarel7]

Do you guys think Baldur would have tried to kill Kratos again after he was spared? Obviously it's impossible to know and Baldur had to die, but suppose Kratos did not interfere, Baldur kills Freya, does Baldur now with his ability to feel again leave Kratos alone?

[@kapmasta]

i love the moment after they finish talking and kratos just takes a breath again and realizes he didnt have to kill another person he cared about and how relieved he looks

[@sheepuff5999]

5:07 In this moment, she realized that Kratos may have killed Baldur, but he only died because of *her* own failures as a mother. She was mad at Kratos before, but the way she acts and sounds like she's in pain in this scene make me think she was just hating herself viscerally for what happened.

[@azfarahsan]

9:40 like mother like son

[@jamescollins3970]

Really love the similarities and differences between Kratos and Freya Both were the leader of they're armies Kratos for the Spartan army and Freya being the leader of the vanir. Both made a sacrifice to end a battle but Kratos's was out of bloodlusted malevolence and Freya's was loving Benevolence. Both were betrayed by a King of Gods Zeus who killed Kratos and Odin who enslaved Freya. Both lost a child due to they're own actions (Kratos's Rage killing calliope who was young and innocent and Freya's Fear killing Baldur who was a sadistic monster who's death became a self fulfilling prophecy) Both of they're people were annihilated by a god king Odin using his infinite army of einherjar and Zeus destroying Sparta himself. Both were hated by they're own people Vanaheim considered Freya a traitor and all of Greece considered Kratos a monster. both have a weapon that was gifted to them from a deceased loved one (Kratos's Leviathan Axe from Faye and Freya's Sword Thrungva A.K.A Sparrow's Bite from Baldur) and a weapon from a War God who caused them the most pain and anguish (Kratos's Blades of Chaos from Ares and Freya's Sword Mardol From Odin ) Both have a nickname they detest being called Frigg for Freya Ghost of Sparta for Kratos. And both had the assistance of a wise war god to rid themselves of they're enslavement to a cruel war god (Athena helping Kratos from Ares and Kratos himself Helping Freya from Odin).

[@joelemaine]

I Think he gained Freya's respect when he acknowledged that it was the choice he took from her. In her heart she thought to herself, he finally understands

[@Sonceria]

all the fans are just stupid or blind. nobody cares about what she took from baldur and chalk it up to she was just being a mother. ok? she still took life from baldur. the developers did this on purpose, their plot and thinking is backwards and upside down on purpose. everyone else odin affected deserves justice because they had no choice. she had a choice, she CHOSE him. but in today's relationships nobody is taking responsibility for their choices, they think theyre victims for choosing a person that supposedly is trash. they don't take responsibility for their choices, he deserves to kill her just like she thinks odin deserves to die

[@MinecraftNinjas1]

This game man, the actors, writers, directors, programmers, artists, everyone that touched this game gave the fans everything they could've asked for and much more for a sequel.