God's Plan or Our Choice? | Predestination vs. Free Will

[@blessings310]

God is God. We need God, he's fine without us. But we need him

[@jeffreypogue2579]

Both are true and its beyond our ability to understand that but our focus should be on our God Yah and our King, Mediator and Master Yeshua. Show me someone who is obsessed with mysteries and I will show you someone lacking true connection to either. This is a life of faith, we are not supposed to understand the infinite and mysterious.

[@thedukeofchutney468]

Reformed: PREDESTINATION! Arminians: FREE WILL! The Bible: “How about both?”

[@Howie47]

If there is an age-old debate it is among those uneducated concerning true Christian doctrine. Our relationship with the Lord of Heaven /God is a marriage. Freely joined, not forced. God proposes to mankind. Mankind either says yes or no. Make love to God, the Lord of Heaven and your wills become intertwined with one another. He looks after and takes care of your every need, blesses you with love gifts that amuse you and gives you pleasure. While in return you stay faithful and loyal to His love making alone. Rejecting all other suitors for the inferior charlatan frauds that they really are.

[@EnochianChronicles]

If God stands outside of time, HE knows what is going to happen before it does, because HE created time. HE does not have to act to choose people, HE knows. Just by knowing you I can predict your behaviour, but if I can look forward in time and see what you choose, and if that vision is always 100% correct, it does not limit your choice it merely see's forward to what you will choose. You are still the one choosing, I merely see and know before you choose. Pre-knowledge (foreknowledge), is to know before. The word free has no place in the context, it creates a confusing paradigm. Free means unfettered by any inside or outside influence. Even God is not "free" because HE will always do what is in HIS nature. Can HE go against HIS nature? HE will NOT, so it is a moot question, hence technically the answer is NO. To go against HIS nature is to break HIS own law, to do this is to commit sin and down it spirals. GOD will always act in accordance with HIS nature that determines HIS plan and is in alignment with HIS will. We also will act according to our nature, the only choice is whether you bribed the corrupt person enough, or if he is in need of more or less money based on inner or outer pressures in his life. So we are always and continually influenced by our inner nature/desires and outer pressures. GOD is merely free from pressure acting against HIM, HE will accomplish what HE said, nothing can or will stop HIM. HE cannot lie even if HE wanted to, it breaks the fundamental principle that HIS word will not return to HIM void, but will accomplish what HE said it will. HIS word is living and powerful, HE "speaks" and it has behind the word the creative power and authority to fulfill HIS will. HE speaks only in accord with HIS will and nature. NAME in Hebrew means "nature" or "renown", renown is what others say about your nature. Of Samuel the prophet it is said "none of his words fell to the ground" so God honoured the word of this prophet, but also warned him once do not pray for Eli and his sons as I will not hear you, so Samuel heard God and obeyed what he was told, only speaking in concert with HIS will. The vessels of wrath fitted to destruction serve a purpose, as do the spirits in authority we wrestle with, and this is to make known the riches of glory for the vessels of mercy. Then the vessels of mercy do the greater work of redeeming creation as many Sons of God. If the mother you love asks you for something you have in your hand, will you deny her? Only if it is in your nature to do so. We have a will and nature like HE does, but HE knows us and what we will do and see's all things in the beginning. So election and foreknowledge means HE spoke it (elected) and saw it, it will happen. There needs to be a process to work all things out for those in the matrix. ma·trix/ˈmātriks/noun1.an environment or material in which something develops; a surrounding medium or structure. H7358 - Matrix - rechem: "womb" Original Word: רֶחֶם Part of Speech: Noun Masculine Phonetic Spelling: (rekh'-em) Word Origin from an unused word We are being formed into sons of GOD in the womb of this earth, all the things necessary to create or manifest these children are present. Only the first born is begotten, the rest of us must be adopted, we are the children of the fallen ones but we are redeemed by HIS will and conformed to HIS nature. Nothing can stop it, but in the linear time and space we exist it looks like we must choose the path. But the path was formed and chosen from the start, all creation will be redeemed as it says. But in it's order, Christ and the firstfruits (the dead in HIM rise first then the living) the first resurrection, then the 1000 years and the great white throne, and those who are judged will be baptized in the lake of fire, the second death because they refused to accept the death of HIS Son as payment (first death). Those who complain do so because they feel like you knowing what they will choose beforehand limits their choice? You are not using mind control, you are using pre-cognition. pre·cog·ni·tion/ˌprēkäɡˈniSH(ə)n/noun 1.foreknowledge of an event, especially foreknowledge of a paranormal kind. If I have the ability to know what you will do, let us say even what number will come up on dice you throw, to us humans this seems like cheating. Hence we refuse to believe GOD will do this. But it is not cheating as no one is changing the outcome through manipulation or force, using the knowledge to bet against you and take all your money would be an unfair advantage and hence why we assume it is cheating. But if GOD exists outside time and space, and see's all (omniscient) knows all (omnipotent) and is everywhere at once (omnipresent) then HE would have to do what to not see, not know and shrink Himself to not be. But if removing Himself from time and space, removes everything in that space so that it ceases to exist, as HE fills all things then we have a paradox. God created all things out of Himself, and all things will return to HIM if HE withdraws HIS presence or word of HIS power. The latin ex nihlo is wrong, it is not out of nothing but out of Himself, HE merely lends us our life and breath. All things belong to HIM as they are HIS and are extensions of HIMSELF.