Godly lineages - Elden Ring theory

People keep talking about this. As such, I made a video, but it had a bunch of speculation in it.
#eldenring #lore

[@wambam3]

i loved this, cannot wait for more videos of your ideas, it's really fun to delve deeper into the world of the outer gods and the power struggle that exists even at that level. instant sub from me :D

[@davisiotta489]

this video is simply perfect, the only point I would like to mention is about the mechanics of being born an Empyrean, I don't believe that the two fingers create Empyreans, I believe that they only choose the Empyreans to serve the greater will and the elden ring, Ranni and Malenia apparently do not need the elden ring to achieve godhood and it would be strange if only the servants of a single outer god had the ability to make someone an Empyrean, the two fingers are simply choosing Marika's successors, I interpret that they bind the Empyreans to the greater will, Ranni is so desperate to free herself from the control of the two fingers that she goes to the point of killing her own flesh to free herself from the control of the greater will so it must be a very strong control, I would also like to say that I think we are not following the second generation of Empyreans but in fact the third, Placidusax was the consort of a goddess and apparently the society of Farum Azula was also servient to the greater will, I believe that Marika is the daughter of placidusax with whoever was his goddess

[@davisiotta489]

I would like to mention the theories that the goddess of Placidusax was the Gloam eyed queen mainly from the channel Kosmos, I kind of believe it but I won't take it as true for me, still considering it I think it could fit with what you said in the video, this also seems to fit with the themes of the game but I'll get to that later, I wasn't going to talk about all the evidence for this theory but I'll just mention the main one which is the fact that the Gloam eyed queen had the rune of death/destiny death, we know that the rune of death was ripped from the elden ring and sealed so it is strange that there was someone with an elden ring rune out there, Maliketh defeated the gloam eyes queen and sealed the rune of death after that, so how did the rune of death get ripped out of the elden ring if it wasn't in the elden ring when it was sealed by Maliketh, there seems to be a perfect answer right? the Gloam eyed queen had the elden ring and served as a vessel, the Conflict between Marika and Gloam Eyed queen is not a dispute between two Empyreans, it is the dispute between an Empyrean trying to dethrone her own mother to achieve godhood, just like Ranni did I believe which Marika also did, Marika turned against her own mother to start her own age in which she believes she is doing the best for the world, Elden ring has this recurring theme of the new generation going against the old and I think this is reflected in the own gods

[@wambam3]

ahhhhh i didn't even think of Placudisax(sp?) and the age of dragons...that's a really good point.

[@davisiotta489]

​@@wambam3 we even have that extremely suspicious statue from Maliketh's arena in Farum Azula that depicts a little girl beneath a representation of an Elden ring in a different configuration, could that statue be depicting a young Marika?

[@davisiotta489]

According to what he explained in the video it would make a lot of sense for the Gloam eyed queen to be the first generation of Empyreans, she is theorized to have some connection with the twinbird and the representation of this envoy of an outer god can be seen carved into Farum Azula, the Twinbird probably has connections to another outer god which should mean that the Gloam eyed queen was under the influence of another outer god which makes sense with what was said in the video about the next generation of Empyreans being created to be more loyal to the outer god and the product of this would be Marika who clearly did not have the influence of any other external god other than the greater will, the Gloam eyed queen probably had no connection with Farum azula and the greater will may have chosen her to be the next goddess because there were no no other Empyreans at that time, I believe the Gloam eyed queen came from the ancient dynasty, here is the evidence, the description of the Cleyman bubble spells states that they search for lost oracles within their bubbles, oracles herald the arrival of new god or a new era and I believe that in this case they were there to announce a new god, it has already been theorized through certain channels that the ancient dynasty civilization arose from the mixture of the newly arrived Numens and the people who already inhabited those lands before, I believe that before the arrival of the Numen, these people should have been more similar to the society of the ancestral Spirit worshipers, who are probably the part of these people that refused to join with the Numen and the technology they had, maintaining their ancient customs, we can see that these people were linked with death and apparently was also linked with the Twinbird, with everything I have already said I believe that the Gloam Eyed queen was originally from the ancient dynasty society and ended up being born an Empyrean who was originally under the influence of another outer god but ended up being convinced or abducted by the greater will to become a goddess with Placidusax as her consort

[@plausibleparrot]

Yeeeess I totally agree with your read of the Rot Goddess Remembrance! "They are direct descendants of God, so duh of course they're worthy of the title of Empyrean. Pity about the whole rotting thing though, didn't really see that one coming tbh" On the Empyrean nature vs nurture debacle, admittedly my take on the Golden Order is super cynical, but to me it comes across as a Demigod's Two Fingers volunteering them as their "champion" and sending them to fight in the Godhood Wars. Seeing as Marika and the Gloam Eyed Queen were both Empyrean candidates despite their seemingly opposite goals, it's likely each Two Fingers has a different interpretation of the Greater Will's mysterious ways, which is then reflected by their choice of Empyrean candidate. (relatable tbh, I'm also like this with Elden Ring, sending my little theories to fight in the Lore Wars) Ranni's anger makes a lot of sense with that framing. Being an Empyrean is not an intrinsic quality of her being; she just inherited a fancy title when her dickhead dad remarried, and now all of a sudden some finger dudes are drafting her to go kill her new siblings and planning out a whole new life for her? Mate I'd be pissed off too!!! Also, wtf, I just realised as I was typing this - it's actually shocking that both Miquella and Malenia were nominated as Empyreans considering how much they seem to care for each other. Even if the title WAS some inherent, inevitable magic quality they were both born with... if I suddenly was told I might have to murder my sibling soon, I doubt I'd stick around either. "Uhhh rot can't be cured by Fundamentalism oh nooo sorryyyyy gotta go" always had the same energy as a "mum said I can't come to your house" type excuse to me lol, but it's so understandable if they were rushing out the door before the succession war could kick off.

[@TheSoijohn]

Ive yet to see anyone talk about the fact that the word empyrean may come from "Empyrée" or "Ciel Empyréen" (Empyrean sky) wich comes from ancient greek, meaning "that which is inflamed" or "fire", and relates the highest plane of the celestial sphere, supposed occupied by fire. Its where god and celestian beings resides, an eternal sky. These very interesting tidbits, I take them to mean that being empyrean means to be connected to either the Greater Will or the skies where the outer gods resides, meaning they (the empyreans) are connected to godhood. Like you said, that could happen by being born of a singular god, or by other means

[@jerbear1722]

Only one defeated enemy is counted as a god

[@davisiotta489]

I don't think the gods have an expiration date, they last as long as they can stay in power Becoming a god probably grants you immortality but not complete immortality, just "eternal youth" you couldn't die of natural causes probably but you could be killed by someone else (kind of like in Norse mythology which is a big inspiration for elden ring ) this is why I believe the gods take by force as Rykard seems to think, the passing of power between one god and another is clearly not peaceful because it simply cannot be, your death as a god is destined to be violent, gods don't die of old age and the only way there can be an exchange of power is if the current god is killed, that's why Marika sealed destined death, she knows she is destined to have an violent death rather than a peaceful one so she simply removes the own concept of death to become completely immortal and try to be eternal

[@Person-ro6uh]

I like this theory! I also believe that Gods must be slain. Why else would every single conclusion to the power struggle definitively require massive amounts of bloodshed? Hell, even if we buy Miquella's 'let's all be friends ' teachings, he still commands an incredibly powerful army with the strongest Blade of all time (til you show up). None of the gods here preach peace because they know only destined death begins the next reign

[@davisiotta489]

​@@Person-ro6uh Marika probably also did the same thing to the goddess of placidusax who may or may not be Marika's own mother

[@Person-ro6uh]

@davisiotta489 we should find out more about Marika's actions and intents in SotE. Miquella is retracing her to the Shadow land, and apparently that is where she was from or where she forged the Golden Order and began her reign. Maybe the tradition to truly new reigns are to directly cut out a portion of spacetime that is antithesis to their view of 'order' and leave the rest further untouched from the 'everything else' they took with them to this infantile 'ordered world'. Kinda like she cut out the rough piece she didn't like, and made it a pocket dimension (in the shadow of the Erdtree, unable to receive its grace) unreachable by mortals and kept the rest of the 'world' with her and began her reign.