Asus ProArt - Featuring PA602 Chassis

[@noxmu4715]

This is so elegant, you did it again, I have watched numerous of reviews about this case. When I saw the price, my jaw drops. Now I can understand why the price is so steep. Your review goes beyond others. The features of this case are practical and functional. Addition to these, you are right, we need not have to spend additional case fans. I believe what's needed is only a black AIO and the Ek nucleus 360 (black) fits the bill. By the way, your choice of music always matches the content you did. Thank you Kleo, this is another top notch content.

[@KleoYan]

Hi Nox, welcome back and as always, thank you for your support and yup, when I saw the price before doing this content, I react the same. I am it's so expensive, but when I calculated, for other case, you will need to worry about additional fans and such, which will end up costing more. This case comes with excellent pre-installed fans and you are right, all it needs is a liquid AIO and call it day.

[@user-dx5tu6yz7t]

another master class presentation of a case review. Thank you for all the work and details you put in to your content.

[@KleoYan]

Hi Mr. T Cas, welcome back and thank you for your support 😉 by the way I have not forgotten your request on the Arctic P14 max on their liquid AIO. I will keep you updated, once I have gotten the fans. Thank you again and sorry on the wait.

[@user-em3ez6ug8o]

I like the way you present your content. It’s full of details. I am interested in this case but was turned off by the price. Now I am interested again and have decided to purchase this case. Thank you to show so much details and I am convince on it’s value. I’ve search the entire KZbin, none does it like the way you do. Thank you and keep up with the excellent work.

[@KleoYan]

Hi James Dean. Welcome to my channel and I am glad you like my content, all the best with your build too 😉

[@theovernight1915]

Just bought this case and you saved me a lot of headaches trying to find tiny black screws hidden around the black metal drive bays I needed to remove to get my PSU plugged in!

[@KleoYan]

@@theovernight1915 hi welcome to my channel. Thats good and hope you like this case as I do. All the best with your build too 👍

[@johnplanzski9215]

I have this case myself did you use a proart motherboard? If so which one I am not sure if I am best buying a 850w or a 1000w psu

[@KleoYan]

@@johnplanzski9215 hi and welcome to my channel. It greatly depends on your pc part. I would go for a 1000watt PSU that is PCI-E 5.0 ready. Which can cater for the 12VHPWR connector for the RTX 4000 series GPU.

[@theovernight1915]

@@johnplanzski9215 I loved the aesthetics of the whole line but I ended up going with a B650E-E from ASUS (ROG). I am a music lover and that particular board comes with some of the best audio I could find on any mobo out. That, and the overall better reviews had me willing to trade in my preferences for looks for what felt like a better board for my needs. I will also add that the board took a bit of time to figure out, but adjusting the settings for RAM in the tweaker bios section helped me find a configuration that has allowed it to load and run without issues.

[@OntarioGuy430]

This was a great review. Very detailed. I have been trying to convince myself to buy this case and your review pushed me over the edge.

[@KleoYan]

Hi Ontario Guy, welcome to my channel. Thanks for the feedback. I was too like yourself. Thinking why should I pay this much for a case and realised that by adding other factors like addition performance fans and such. Which this case comes with 3 performance fans which is quiet in operation. That’s the reason why I did this content to share why the price tag. I am glad you find this useful and all the best with your build too 😉

[@OntarioGuy430]

@@KleoYan About 2 years ago I bought an Asus ROG Strix Helios case and there was a problem with the IO that shorted out my computer and killed my motherboard. After taking it apart it turned out that the IO board had a short. I have been very hesitant about buying ASUS components since that issue. This case is just too nice to pass up though! I am hopeful that the one I get works as expected! - I am going to buy it tomorrow (I think).

[@KleoYan]

@@OntarioGuy430 ouch! that's painful. Hope you did get to change your motherboard. As for this case, I believe it will be fine. Btw, all the very best and do let us know your experience once you have complete your build too. 😉

[@damau5687]

Bro your case reviews are fantastic. Keep up the good work.👍

[@KleoYan]

Hi DA MAU5, welcome to my channel and thank you for the compliment 👍

[@vasiovasio]

This is the Most Extensive review of this case on KZbin! Thank you Kleo!

[@KleoYan]

@@vasiovasio hi and welcome to my channel. I am glad you like this content and thank you for your feedback 👍 All the best with your build too. 😉

[@NextSlash69]

Thank you for the comprehensive review!

[@KleoYan]

Hi Dan Constantinescu, welcome to my channel. I am glad you like my content.. all the best with your build too 😉

[@ryan_macleod]

Thank you for this in depth review showcasing all the case's features

[@KleoYan]

Hi Ryan, welcome to my channel and I am glad you like this content. All the best with your build too. 😉

[@philshaw439]

Excellent, very thorough review. Thank you.

[@KleoYan]

Hi Phil Shaw, welcome to my channel and it's my pleasure. I am glad you like this content and all the best with your build too. 😉

[@MelroyvandenBerg]

Thanks for the video. And nice in-depth.

[@KleoYan]

Hi Melroy van den Berg, welcome to my channel. My pleasure 😉

[@44Mercy187]

Nice Kleo. Hope u get big one day

[@KleoYan]

Hi its_Mercy, welcome back and thank you with your kind words. I will continue to try my best 👍

[@salovoley]

Nice case retro :)

[@KleoYan]

Hi Salomón montanares, welcome back. Thank you for your feedback 👍

[@salovoley]

thanks for your content

[@KleoYan]

@@salovoley you are most welcome.

[@luahaichen]

very detail review... 👍👍👍

[@KleoYan]

Hi HC, welcome to my channel and thank you for your feedback. All the best with your build too.

[@luahaichen]

@@KleoYan just got my new built with PA602, can say this casing is really good... . love the design...

[@KleoYan]

@@luahaichen hi HC, welcome back. It’s good to hear you like the case. Enjoy the build 😉

[@AllThingsAustralia]

It is actually 593mm tall. I brought this case based on your review. Now I have a pc tower that will not fit into the space it was intended for. Disappointed I should have double checked before taking advice from a tech review from KZbin.

[@KleoYan]

@@AllThingsAustralia hi welcome to my channel. This is weird. In most case reviews I do not just based on spec. Do you mean the depth (from front to rear) is at 593mm or do you mean (top to feet) 593mm?? From top to feet is at 560mm

[@AllThingsAustralia]

@@KleoYan it is 59mm from top to feet & 560mm from front to rear. I ordered this today & have been told that these are the dimensions. Do you have a tower close by you could please double check these measurements for me? Otherwise definitely hands down the best presentation & well put together review.

[@KleoYan]

​@@AllThingsAustralia before anything, I apologized and sorry if I gave the incorrect information. I do not have this unit with me as I have returned it, but I will check at asus show room when I have time. I am pretty sure I did measure it as most of my case reviews I do not based on specs. an example, the specs of the AP201 www.asus.com/sg/motherboards-components/cases/prime/asus-prime-ap201-microatx-case/techspec/ dimension of it is 205 x 350 x 460mm in my content of the AP201 kzbin.info/www/bejne/pl7HqnqbmdqKotk time stamp 00:50 I have measured and the dimension is at 205 x 360 x 455mm. there are others which I have notifify case manufacturer.. I do not go blindly just to follow specs and to do my content. Nevertheless I will check again. pardon me if I did this mistake.

[@AllThingsAustralia]

@@KleoYan thank you & much appreciated. I will confirm this one mine arrives in a few days. The ASUS website doesn’t state if dims are Length x width x height.

[@KleoYan]

@@AllThingsAustralia Hi I have just got back from the showroom after work, the Height is at 593mm and depth is 560mm. I sincerely apologize for my mistake, I wrong down on my note while filming this content, I should have indicate the measurements (W) (H) (L).. so sorry about it.

[@user-pp6re6bo8b]

구입에 도움이 많이 되는 리뷰였습니다 👍

[@KleoYan]

Hi 핑크돼지 , welcome to my channel. I am glad it did aid you out. All the best with your build too 😉

[@kimisami88]

Another great vid. Been tossin up buyin a case and was wondering Between this and the O11 Evo RGB, which would you pick? Disregard the HDD panels. Price wise would probably save more with the 602. Appreciate the feedback.

[@KleoYan]

@@kimisami88 hi and welcome back. Both case does have its pros and cons. If on earth there are only these two cases which you have mentioned. I will pick this over the o11d Evo RGB 1) I personally not a fan of ARGB and I totally dislike running ARGB softwares at the background 2) simple ARGB is ok but not overdose a case like a Christmas tree plus getting Uni fans adds up a bomb, which I can save that and to purchase more practical pc parts. Example, Rams with tighter timing or m.2 3) this case do not need to populate with so many fans and it’s quiet in operation. 4) lesser fans = lesser dust 5) this case out performance on thermal 6) its a more mature looking case (executive look). Now it’s all up to your liking. 😉

[@kimisami88]

@@KleoYan Ah huh, I forgot about dust collecting from the other fans. I have an Aurora R12 now and it has only 2 fans so I've been struggling to find a nice case due to prices. I like RGB but when the case has no fans that additional costs always seems to make the Rig cost more in the end. I was concerned about cooling with the 2 large fans and 1 exhaust only as I want to make a Ryzen 7800x3d build with a 4080s or one of the 7900xt or xtx. Was gonnna use the Coolermaster Master liquid 360 atmos for an AIO since the Deepcool Mystique apparently is loud. Any thoughts on this brosef?

[@KleoYan]

@@kimisami88 I see. I can understand your frustation to find a value case that comes with all the gimmicks and functions. For a start, your 7800X3D with the AMD 7900XT or 7900XTX does not really runs too hot. Now it boils down to which type of casing you are looking for. Just a suggestion. this is what I will do. 1) Narrow down which style you wanted and fix to it. Fish tank or the classic case that has front intake.. 2) Narrow down your budget, within the ranges you can consider, outside the ranges just drop it, no matter how much you like it. 3) Functionality + Case cooling (ARGB or Non ARGB) . a hint, 140mm fans draws tons of air and run lower rpm = less noise. 120mm fans you need to push higher rpm to have more air in, can be noisy. 4) Asethetic, for me this is not the first piority. If you can have 1) to 3) fixed and follow by the aesthetic. You will enjoy most out of the case as it's not only of the value you wanted but with looks. Last but not least as mentioned your system does not really generate alot of heat.. so the cooler master 360 liquid aio will do fine.

[@kimisami88]

@@KleoYan Gotcha bro, while were at it, id like to ask you something as well. Are the SSD speeds important just for casual fellas like me? I work full time, have a utube channel i stream from occasionally playing games and I do a lil bit of video editing to post vids. NVME.2 ssd's i feel the 7200 and such seem a bit overkill but would a 5000/4800 ssd be good enuff? These SSD prices are crazy.

[@KleoYan]

@@kimisami88 In general if you are just doing causal gaming and video editing, a Gen 4 m.2 nvme is more than sufficient. Unless you do compile 3D projects and to do heavy file compression 7zip and etc. Hope this help.

[@Liquidatorization]

My friend, a wonderful, detailed review! You are the best! I have such a case and am thinking of purchasing an Arctic LF III 420 mm. But I was confused by only one point, that you indicate that it cannot be placed and the top panel will not close. But I pick up a tape measure and take a measurement, the actual distance from the bottom of the metal bar to the horizontal where the top cover should snap is 38-39 mm, i.e. Should the LF III 420 squeak right next to each other in height, or does its actual thickness of the side flanges go beyond 38 mm at the widest points?

[@KleoYan]

Hi Peter Kolupanoff, welcome to my channel. You are right. it can squeak in, but do be mindful that the radiator is very close to the top mesh panel, there are restriction of air pusing through as it's almost against the top mesh. I have tested the thermal, without the top mesh yes it's good with thermal but when I place the top mesh panel. the temperature increases. Infact my main objective is to stop using the Arctic LF2 or LF3 at the top as the thermal is bad. To where I am testing this is at room temperature of 30°C to 31°C in a hot and humid country. You can give it a try if you are at a colder region. Do pardon me of what I've mentioned about the fitment at the top. All the very best with your build.

[@Liquidatorization]

@@KleoYan In fact, I see that it is possible to carefully remove the dust filter mesh from the top panel without any problems and leave only the metal one with large holes, since a fine mesh has no practical meaning if a radiator with fans is installed

[@Liquidatorization]

@@KleoYan It's not so hot here now ;) And for now I have enough NH D-15S to cool my 7950x3D, but I want to try 14900K and for it you will only need something huge. There are H170i, Pro Art LC 420 on sale, but their cost is 3 and 2 times higher, respectively, than the LF III 420; however, they cannot boast of greater efficiency for their cost, and rather lose in performance.... so I still consider the LF III 420 as the main option

[@KleoYan]

@@Liquidatorization hi, you have a very highend processor for gaming which is the 7950X3D. I don't really understand why would you want a 14900K and do you know there is a on going issue with the Gen 13th and 14th i9 processor? anyway if you still choose to try 14900K with arctic liquid freezer III, you can go ahead and try. but I won't count on it as the LF3 only shines on AM5 and not Intel . you can take this as a reference, though this test are based on 360 liquid AIOs. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZKVq3qJhtuKpck

[@Liquidatorization]

@@KleoYan In fact, after 20 years on Intel, a year ago I still bought an AMD platform and I don’t play games at all - everything is for work - and I took this processor because it is more technologically advanced, even air cooling can cope with it. However, I encountered an inexplicable problem while copying and caching large volumes of files.... as time has shown over the year, I could not come to terms with nuances and algorithms that were incomprehensible to me in working on the AM5 platform of the processor-RAM combination: the point is that after For some time, somehow the writing speed from the RAM cache on the SSD drops, i.e. as if some kind of artificial stupor is triggered..... what I mean is that a large array of files of 50-100 GB in size is being copied and at some random point in time the copying speed drops sharply from 4-5 GB/s and drops to a level of 70-100 MB/s, I noticed that this happens within 20-50% of the stendbylist cache fullness and copying continues at such a low speed for several minutes until the stendbylist cache is completely filled to 100% and only then the copying speed again sharply returns to normal values 3- 6 GB/s...... what this is connected with I can’t understand on the previous Intel i9 z390 platform; I’ve never seen such a crooked performance of unloading from cache to disk. I need to constantly or manually clear the standby list cache using a crutch in the form of Intelligent standby list cleaner ISLC by setting the auto-cleaning limit within 4-6 GB (and I have 96 GB of memory) or manually run some software for testing RAM like TM5 so that it quickly I loaded the RAM up to 100% and quickly dropped the load and then everything worked again at the usual speed..... I didn’t have such problems with Intel before and a year later I came to the conclusion that I would have to buy a similar processor from Intel, which, although twice as hot, The same performance is needed with a 420 mm water cooling system, but the Intel platform will not shut up in trivial tasks, cutting off the overall system responsiveness by almost 10 times.

[@davidborovsky2877]

Kleo, what do you think about Thermalright AIOs (for instance Core Matrix 240/360)? Would you pick them over Liquid Freezer III for the 14th gen Intel build (14600K)? I am little bit worried about their pump reliability, however it is much thinner than ridiculously thick Freezer III.

[@KleoYan]

Hi David Borovsky, welcome to my channel.thought I do not have those AIOs you've mentioned to test, but I do have good experience with the ThermalRight frozen warframe 360. it cools a 14700K with ease. As for the liquid AIO you've mentioned, after viewing the structure (www.thermalright.com/product/core-matrix-240-black/) It's safe to use a 240 on a 14600K. Just make sure your case have good airflow 😉

[@taeseongson4913]

Hi. The tur4080 is about 150mm high. Is it possible to mount it using a vertical bracket? The manual says 125mm, but from your video it looks like you have area to spare.

[@KleoYan]

HI Tae Seong Son, welcome to my channel. It is possible to mount but just be mindful that it might hit the rear fan. You can try adjust the position of your rear fan or to even remove it totally. The Vertical mount standoffs will push the GPU up.

[@nicolalugato1678]

Do you think it's possible to get the ARCTIC Liquid Freezer III 420 in using some trick? I know it's the radiator that's too thick but I'd hate to not be able to use the arctic AIO Anyway fantastic reviews ❤

[@KleoYan]

@@nicolalugato1678 hi welcome to my channel. Though I have returned this case to Asus SG. My last encounter with this case, it’s able to fit in and additional to this, someone in my comment have mentioned it too. Thank you for your feedback and all the best with your build too.

[@nicolalugato1678]

@@KleoYan Thanks

[@KleoYan]

@@nicolalugato1678 you are most welcome and all the best with your build too.

[@Galaxutube]

Excellent case. The only thing I had hard time connecting power cpu cable from the top hole, the hole in the case is a bit small. Do you suggest connecting it from the front or getting an extension?

[@KleoYan]

Hi Galaxius1, welcome to my channel. Which PSU are you using, if you are using PSU that has sleeves on them, that will be abit tricky and I don't deny it's not easy to fit. I do not advise to have extension as this will degrade the current. It will be advisable in furture to purchase PSU with flat type of modular cables. Sleeve PSU cables to me is a hassle too stiff to work with. For your case if you got no choice then get a short extension cable as that will prevent the connector from tear.

[@Galaxutube]

I have viewsonic vertex 1200. I am not sure, maybe they have sleeves but it was a bit stiff.

[@KleoYan]

@@Galaxutube your PSU are having flat cable.. maybe you are trying to slot in two EPS 8 pin cables at the same time. Try plug in one first and follow by another, it should not be so difficult.

[@Galaxutube]

Thank you

[@KleoYan]

@@Galaxutube you are most welcome 😉

[@Ttblondey]

Casing not bad

[@KleoYan]

Hello M.Indra Soyat, welcome back, yup this case is pack with practical functions.

[@christopherneil8884]

About to buy this case, did you actually try putting that 4080 TUF GPU inside of the case, bolted in, etc. I am afraid of ordering and then it's too big or the POWER cord for GPU gets too bent... If you could test this for us, that would be big!!

[@KleoYan]

hello Christopher Neil, welcome to my channel. I do have the Tuf 4080 Super OC. I can confirm with you, you don't have to worry about space, this case depth, measuring from the motherboard base to the side tempered glass. It's measuring at 220mm, if I am to minus off the motherboard standoffs (5mm) and giving some space at the tempered glass 10mm, you still have 200mm of space. the Tuf 4080 Super OC is at 150mm. so you have 50mm gap between the tempered glass and the top of the GPU. it's more than enough. For the 12VHPWR connector, as on specification. to be bend at the 35mm point. so if you plug the 12VHPWR connector to your GPU. you still have 15mm gap before touching the tempered glass.

[@christopherneil8884]

@@KleoYan thank you! Ordered!

[@KleoYan]

@@christopherneil8884 Nice, you are most welcome. Just a reminder, kindly make use of the front 200mm x 2 fans as intake, do not change it as you will experience not only being quiet, in addition, your thermal will be significantly good. Infact this case only needs a liquid AIO above and you are good to go 😉

[@marcusgoodlooking2482]

Is it possible to completely switch off 200mm fans from the front panel button or in order to do that you need to disconnect the cable inside the chassis?

[@KleoYan]

Hi Marcus Goodlooking, welcome to my channel. The only way is to disconnect the cable as there is no switch to off it. but I wouldn't advise to swtich it off, it suppose to aid to bring in cool air to your components.

[@marcusgoodlooking2482]

@@KleoYan Thanks for your information .I've just wanted to to know if it`s possible when pc is on idle fans will be to loud for me on auto mode

[@KleoYan]

@@marcusgoodlooking2482 it's not at all loud. If loud, you can adjust in the uefi of your motherboard.

[@IGFone]

I'm looking for a quiet gaming case so the Be quiet Dark base 701/901 and this one are on my radar. I read in a spanish review that the Asus fans are made in collaboration with Noctua. Is this true?

[@KleoYan]

Hi IGF, welcome to my channel. Yes the rear case fan and the liquid 420 ProArt fans are making use of Noctua.

[@IGFone]

@@KleoYan Thank you for answering. So the front fans are not in collaboration with Noctua? And are they quiet or should I look at Be Quiet cases if I want a quiet build?

[@KleoYan]

@@IGFone hi sorry that I do not have the bequiet case for review but for this ProArt case, though the front fans are not Noctua fans but at 200mm that runs at low rpm, it’s not only quiet but does bring in tons of air to the case as compared to use 120 or 140mm fans. But the choice is yours 😉

[@IGFone]

@@KleoYan Thanks! Maybe i'll give this case a go. Good luck with your channel.

[@KleoYan]

@@IGFone thank you and all the best with your build too 👍

[@AnonymousUser-ww6ns]

While this case is not bad, there are better cases out there for a much lower price. My favorite one right now is the Monotech AIR MAX 903. The reason why I like it is that it has excellent airflow with 3 Argb Fans in the front and one regular one in the back, has a Fan and RGB hub to reduce load on the sys fan headers, it feels very durable with real glass and metal, extremely easy cable management due to it being E-ATX, and has excellent features, and the price is around $70. Also the Monotech support people are excellent should there be an issue. As far as ASUS Goes I won’t recommend them due to recent events regarding quality control and RMA support. ASUS can give me stuff Free and I would still criticize them for offering bad quality control and RMA support.

[@AnonymousUser-ww6ns]

In addition by going with the Montech case which offers similar quality. You can put the $180 that you saved towards a better processor or GPU. Additionally more storage if you need.

[@KleoYan]

Hi Haz, welcome to my channel. Thank you to have shared your feedback and your experiences. I do not deny the fact that there are other value cases out there but for noise, It's hard to find chassis which is this quiet and able to provide strong airflow with just 3 fans. On top of these there are features which others do not have. Nevertheless, you can of course drop those features, get a decent chassis and to invest on better PC Parts.

[@marcusgoodlooking2482]

What would you recommend or decide for yourself between these three cases? Asus proart pa602 or dark base 901 or Corsair 7000d

[@KleoYan]

Hi Marcus Goodlooking, welcome back. Out of the three, I will take this PA602, reason being 1) I like stealth black, 2) I dont have to worry on getting additional fans which will add up the cost, 3) All is needed is to plug a 420 liquid aio at the top which comes with the fans. Alot did mentioned his is pricely but if you are to calculate the additional cost to purchase good case fans, the price will add up. Leaving other cases + fan cost which is equivalent or higher compared to just get this case. 4) the features of this case are very well thought off. 5) Bottom mesh filter removal (easy access) 6) the rollers which you dont have to carry the whole case out inorder to reach the rear I/O ports.

[@marcusgoodlooking2482]

@@KleoYan Thanks again for your detailed answer.I like design of Proart with build quality and fact that it is a latest from the bunch what brings some nice solutions to the table but my main concern is limited space for 210 mm PSU`s and Im not sure if I would be able fit Arctic`s 360mm cooler on the top of the case

[@KleoYan]

@@marcusgoodlooking2482 hi and you are most welcome 😊 For 360 Arctic Liquid Freezer II / III, you will fit and as for the power supply. If you do not use any 3.5" Harddisk, you can always remove off the HDD cage to make room for your lengthy PSU.

[@marcusgoodlooking2482]

​@@KleoYan Thank you very much 😄 for clarifying my doubts . It will definitely help to make right choice.

[@KleoYan]

@@marcusgoodlooking2482 don't mentioned it. you are most welcome.

[@D_Rog79]

Does it have pre-installed motherboard standoffs?

[@KleoYan]

Hi D_Rog79, welcome to my channel. Yes it does and there are additional ones in the accessory package too.

[@D_Rog79]

@@KleoYan thanks

[@KleoYan]

@@D_Rog79 you are most welcome and all the best with your build too 👍

[@D_Rog79]

@@KleoYan thanks

[@TheTastefulThickness]

250..plastic front panel...no

[@KleoYan]

Hi TheTastefulThickness, welcome to my channel. No doubt is plastic at the front cover, but consider the fact that you only need those fans that come with the case. No additional fans needed if you do aircooling. Even using liquid AIO. Fans are already with the liquid AIO. That’s my opinion.

[@TheTastefulThickness]

Yes but this case isn't supposed to be value oriented. It's attempting to be upmarket.

[@KleoYan]

@@TheTastefulThickness Hi, to behonest, I do like your suggestion too and will take your suggestion to Asus SG on this. Thank you! These are my honest opinion. I do not mind about the plastic front. This case is pack with thoughtful features. 1) I dont have to worry on getting additional fans which will add up the cost, 2) All is needed is to plug a 420 liquid aio at the top which comes with the fans. Alot did mentioned his is pricely but if you are to calculate the additional cost to purchase good case fans, the price will add up. Leaving other cases + fan cost which is equivalent or higher compared to just get this case. 3) the features of this case are very well thought off. 4) Bottom mesh filter removal (easy access) 7) the rollers which you dont have to carry the whole case out inorder to reach the rear I/O ports.

[@TheTastefulThickness]

@KleoYan The dual 200mm fans is certainly a rare but welcome design. I can only think of the fractal case that also employs them.

[@KleoYan]

@@TheTastefulThickness True, I agree. Ok lets just say that we have each our own opinion.. for Fractal, consider the case is not cheap either, plus need to change out the case fans for better airflow.. so ya. that's my concern about other cases.